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Saturday, June 14, 2014

A large swath of emails to and from embattled former IRS employee Lois Lerner during the first year of the targeting controversy was lost in a computer hard drive crash, the agency told congressional investigators. "The IRS has determined that Lerner's computer crashed in mid-2011," reads a background document attached to an IRS letter to Congress's investigative panels released on Friday. The IRS, however, has been able to recover about 24,000 pieces of Lerner-related correspondence between January 2009 and April 2011 by searching the emails of other IRS employees where Lerner was on the email chains, according to the letter. In all the IRS has produced or will produce or make available approximately 67,000 emails in which Ms. Lerner was an author or a recipient," wrote Leonard Oursler, who heads up congressional affairs for the IRS, in the letter.

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drip drip drip ... I wish I could just tell the IRS, can't find those documents ... you know a computer crash and all.

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What a load of male bovine byproduct.

#1 | Posted by paneocon at 2014-06-13 04:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

IRS says it lost key Lerner emails
Agency blames 2011 hard drive crash for data loss
Read more:
www.washingtontimes.com

Who here believes that?

#2 | Posted by paneocon at 2014-06-13 04:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

Where is the NSA when you need them....

#3 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-06-13 05:04 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Another millstone around this administration's neck. I don't think I've ever seen a more duplicitous president in our history----if it's not him personally, it's the devious minds of those closest to him. Now, they'll have to go after the the WH and administration wide e-mails and you can bet those will take about 2 years to produce----or be conveniently erased. What an absolute corrupt administration.

#4 | Posted by matsop at 2014-06-13 05:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

Everyone already knows that Lerner and the White House are dirty. The coverup continues. The problem is that liberals don't see any problem with the IRS harassing conservatives.

#5 | Posted by Huguenot at 2014-06-13 06:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

wow...what a coincidence...huh ?

come on boys....

it's just bad luck !!

#6 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-06-13 06:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

well it looks like a TEXAS congressman has the right idea...

WASHINGTON, D.C. – Congressman Steve Stockman Friday asked the National Security Agency to turn over all its metadata on the email accounts of former Internal Revenue Service Exempt Organizations division director Lois Lerner for the period between January 2009 and April 2011.

www.yourhoustonnews.com

#7 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-06-13 06:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

the house has been asking for these emails for over a year...

as KRAUTHAMMER just said,,,,,,

nixon lost 18 mins, lerner lost two years......she's a hack compared to nixon......

you just CAN"T MAKE THIS UP ....

#8 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-06-13 06:56 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

I wonder if corky and others are over at rcades place coming up with an official excuse or apology....

#9 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-06-13 07:30 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Wiki can do it for them:

The Bush White House email controversy surfaced in 2007, during the controversy involving the dismissal of eight U.S. attorneys. Congressional requests for administration documents while investigating the dismissals of the U.S. attorneys required the Bush administration to reveal that not all internal White House emails were available, because they were sent via a non-government domain hosted on an email server not controlled by the federal government. Conducting governmental business in this manner is a possible violation of the Presidential Records Act of 1978, and the Hatch Act. Over 5 million emails may have been lost or deleted. Greg Palast claims to have come up with 500 of the Karl Rove lost emails, leading to damaging allegations. In 2009, it was announced that as many as 22 million emails may have been deleted.

Nothing new.

#10 | Posted by REDIAL at 2014-06-13 07:51 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

constitutional right to dismiss each and every one versus targeting millions of citizens and denying their constitutional rights for political payback...

well okay, technically, I see the point.......wonder if this announcement was done like that one....LATE on a friday for spotty coverage, at best.

#11 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-06-13 09:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

Can anyone translate #11?

#12 | Posted by REDIAL at 2014-06-13 10:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

RE:#10

I always love the frustration at the firing of 8 US Attorneys by Bush. When Clinton forced 93 to to resign... nary a wimper out of the media.

At least in the Bush case whole swaths of emails were missing, in the Lerner case only the ones to everyone in the IRS, but none to any other agency...

How convenient, what else you got ReDial?

#13 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-06-14 02:10 AM | Reply | Flag:

I guess my dog ate it wasn't going to fly. So a hard drive crash. Hell the NSA and CIA had harder challenges before this. If this doesn't scream cover up Idk what else could be a bigger smoke from this fire.

#14 | Posted by zack991 at 2014-06-14 03:08 AM | Reply | Flag:

What BS.... with mirrored redundant backups in place.

#15 | Posted by Greatamerican at 2014-06-14 03:36 AM | Reply | Flag:

It's not true that Lerner emails from that period are all lost. The IRS has 24,000 emails to or from Lerner between January 2009 and April 2011:

www.politico.com

It produced 67,000 Lerner emails, total.

The reason it doesn't have all her emails from that period is because IRS used a version of Microsoft Outlook for email that could hold only 6,000 emails in their active email boxes. The emails weren't backed up automatically, so if any were backed up it was the user doing it for themselves.

I know people are going to be convinced this is a conspiracy, but it's an pretty common IT issue to anyone who's ever worked at a big company. Government offices should archive all email, of course, but that's expensive so many don't.

#16 | Posted by rcade at 2014-06-14 08:44 AM | Reply | Flag:

#16

The reason being given is that her computer crashed and thus some emails were lost.

#17 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-06-14 10:50 AM | Reply | Flag:

17.
Oh never mind then, just disregard 16. This was the first excuse. I guess they need to update it...
At least Obama's defenders are here now.

#18 | Posted by homerj at 2014-06-14 07:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

16. I call BS. I have and do work IT for all different sized organizations and that is patently false. I also doubt that the government is just letting people keep copies of emails on their workstation without having it sit on a server. That doesn't even pass HIPAA regulations.

#19 | Posted by rearendhat at 2014-06-14 08:48 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

Norman Cillo, a former Microsoft programmer argued it is very difficult to lose emails" ...very difficult but not impossible

Sorry Repubs due to a "glitch" or a "crash", in an email system upgraded in 2002, by a tech company with ties to Duke Cunningham, you will NEVER get Lois Lerner's emails ....NEVER

Time to move-on to another phony scandal, may I suggest HUSSEIN Obama's
birth certificate, that's always good for a few laughs

#20 | Posted by SammyAZ_RI at 2014-06-14 08:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

Nothing new.

#10 | Posted by REDIAL

They were his to fire. How many did clinton fire when he took office? Nuf said.

#21 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-06-14 10:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

Can anyone translate #11?

#12 | Posted by REDIAL

It's plain English to anyone with a brain.

#22 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-06-14 10:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

No redundant servers? No storage in a raid config? No tape backup? I call BS. They can retain tax records for every American in perpetuity, but can't hold on to email?

#23 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-06-14 10:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

The reason it doesn't have all her emails from that period is because IRS used a version of Microsoft Outlook for email that could hold only 6,000 emails in their active email boxes.

#16 | Posted by rcade

And you really believe there was NO back-up. Were you born LAST night?

#24 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-06-14 10:22 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

I have and do work IT for all different sized organizations and that is patently false.

You need to explain why it's not a possible scenario. If you are saving email locally to your desktop computer with an email client that only archives email if you do it manually, you're not going to have an archive of 100% of your email. And if your hard drive crashes and can't be recovered, you're out of luck on getting your archive unless you backed it up somewhere else.

I'm not saying this happened. I'm saying it's plausible. Obviously, if Lerner or someone else deleted anything intentionally, it's criminal obstruction of justice.

People who are certain there would be a backup of all email saved to desktop PCs in a big workplace are believing what they want to believe.

#25 | Posted by rcade at 2014-06-14 10:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

There's no credibility left in this administration. Obama is a buffoon and more then a majority of the population now see him and his administration as being untrustworthy and dishonest. It's only the beginning as more and more information comes out about what is happening domestically and globally. If 65% of the population thinks this country is going in the wrong direction, just give this guy another 2 years and the other clueless 35% might awake from their slumber.

#26 | Posted by matsop at 2014-06-14 10:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

"They were his to fire."

I was pointing out the lost emails, now what happened to the attorneys.

"It's plain English to anyone with a brain."

Afphlikkle hasn't written anything in plain English, ever.

#27 | Posted by REDIAL at 2014-06-14 10:42 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

One thing that can be done is to go after the e-mails throughout the rest of the administration's departments---knowing Obama; that should take at least 2 years to produce.

#28 | Posted by matsop at 2014-06-14 10:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

Thank goodness the NSA is the snoop it is. I'm sure they have Lois's e-mails in their metadata. Now if that's gone missing, then we'll really know this is the massive coverup we all know it is.

#29 | Posted by matsop at 2014-06-14 10:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

Ok, this is basically inexcusable on the part of the Federal Government. There are these things that have been in place for years like Sarbane Oxley to ensure compliance companies have been archiving e-mail for years. Then you had the Federal Courts make a declaration that companies need to be able to provide all e-mail in the case of court cases.

Folks it is called being responsible. Not picking sides on this one, they will all dodge it if possible. The technology to archive every coming and going e-mail with users unable to permanently delete anything is called e-mail archiving and the tech has been around for years. They only question is how long do you hold it? You set a policy and hold it for that period of time. After that point you automatically delete it - in someones folders or deleted - the system removes the e-mail if it is still in the system.

#30 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2014-06-14 10:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

This skank pled the fifth and now her emails are lost.

It's not to hard to figure out.

Except for some people anyway.

rwd

#31 | Posted by rightwingdon at 2014-06-14 11:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

You set a policy and hold it for that period of time. After that point you automatically delete it - in someones folders or deleted - the system removes the e-mail if it is still in the system.

#30 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2014-06-14 10:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

Government computers are not backed up? Dailey? They aren't archived? What about the recipients computer? Certainly they aren't deleted after 4 years. This is just another example of the administration thinking people are stupid.

rwd

#32 | Posted by rightwingdon at 2014-06-14 11:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

Not sure how the IRS works, but its very possible to lose e-mails when they are not held on a server (and I know during my time in the Air Force mine were not).

Having said that, many folks periodically back e-mails up for just that reason, but about 2 or 3 times a year you hear of someone who lost months or years of e-mail. I eventually got into the habit of monthly backup, same time I did monthly reports, but that was only in the last few years of my Air Force time.

so... it could happen.

But DAMN its so 'convenient' for her....

#33 | Posted by USAF242 at 2014-06-15 04:40 AM | Reply | Flag:

If the IRS can lose emails with impunity, when the gun confiscations start Im gonna have a ton of "boating accidents" to explain where my guns went.

#34 | Posted by aescal at 2014-06-15 05:48 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Even a crashed hard drive can be recovered. Why is our government running on fricking amateur hour when it comes to IT?

#35 | Posted by rearendhat at 2014-06-15 09:40 AM | Reply | Flag:

Government computers are not backed up?

You folks on the right tell us all the time that government doesn't work. But here, when it suits your agenda, you think government does something perfectly that almost no company does well -- email and local PC data backup.

Even a crashed hard drive can be recovered.

Not always. I've lost a few I couldn't recover over the years. Haven't you?

#36 | Posted by rcade at 2014-06-15 09:46 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

No. Sorry you have had such crappy IT work. You can move the platters of the hard drive to another similar drive and recover the data.

#37 | Posted by rearendhat at 2014-06-15 09:54 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

I'm really surprised they don't require copies of emails to remain on a server and in a backup system. Cheap and easy to do. Take a fraction of the NSA budget and I'm sure it could be done. I'm surprised the NSA doesn't already have a copy of all her emails.

#38 | Posted by rearendhat at 2014-06-15 09:57 AM | Reply | Flag:

There are many backup copies on a government computer network. Emails would have to be purposely purged from the whole system to be "lost".

#39 | Posted by Daniel at 2014-06-15 10:21 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

Rcade, stick to journalism. You don't know IT. Where is the mobile site for drudge? ;)

#40 | Posted by rearendhat at 2014-06-15 10:57 AM | Reply | Flag:

Can anyone translate #11?

#12 | Posted by REDIAL at 2014

yes I can...

democrats are crooks and liars and frauds..

AND THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS LOST emails...

too bad there are so many obama supporters who are sp blindly biased enough to believe that....

#41 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-06-15 12:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

They were his to fire."

I was pointing out the lost emails, now what happened to the attorneys.

"It's plain English to anyone with a brain."

Afphlikkle hasn't written anything in plain English, ever.

#27 | Posted by REDIAL at 20

are you TRYING to look silly ?

it's the LAW that this woman was supposed to have HARD COPIES and other copies of all emails....but then, when she can get away with what she did, with the APPROVAL of the white house and posters here.....what's a little LAW to them ?

#42 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-06-15 12:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

"it's the LAW that this woman was supposed to have HARD COPIES and other copies of all emails...."

And that has what to do with your #11 post?

#43 | Posted by REDIAL at 2014-06-15 12:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

The irony is, like Benghazi, this has already been debunked as some conspiracy to attack Conservative groups.

Unfortunately, Conservatives can't read.

#44 | Posted by Sycophant at 2014-06-15 01:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

Actually they are not lost. IRS rules require Lois to keep paper copies. She could be prosecuted if she didn't keep copies. Of course she's a democrat so you know they have been put through a shredder to protect Obama and company from prison time.

#45 | Posted by mcmlcxx at 2014-06-15 01:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

MC....would you please repost your fine posting of 45....maybe redial and syco can 'get it' this time...

apparently, red...you're used to some sort of remedial procedure because it's pretty simply to understand..

your referred to something that "W" had EVERY LEGAL RIGHT To do versus the clowns in bozo's administration USING THE IRS to attack their political enemies after they got HAMMERED In 2010.....

it's the difference between CRAWFORD and CHICAGO....

#46 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-06-15 01:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

Really? A recovery company can't retrieve data from the drive? Or did they throw it away?

#47 | Posted by LEgregius at 2014-06-15 03:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

Another millstone around this administration's neck. I don't think I've ever seen a more duplicitous president in our history----if it's not him personally, it's the devious minds of those closest to him. Now, they'll have to go after the the WH and administration wide e-mails and you can bet those will take about 2 years to produce----or be conveniently erased. What an absolute corrupt administration.
--------------

en.wikipedia.org

Convenient memory loss.

"I can't recall"

#48 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-06-15 03:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

Since the IRS holds and performs financial functions they are required to keep 7 years of emails, same as I do. Pretty sure a hard drive crash doesn't remove that responsibility.

#49 | Posted by kersh at 2014-06-15 05:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

Because a 30 year old scandal to free American hostages is equivalent to using the IRS to attack political opponents. Usually human memory is not as reliable as a computer's, unless the computer is in the possession of one of president Pajama Boy's henchwomen.

#50 | Posted by visitor_ at 2014-06-15 05:51 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Wait till she finds out NSA has them. Oh right there's no such agency.

#51 | Posted by xyzpdq at 2014-06-15 09:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

"your referred to something that "W" had EVERY LEGAL RIGHT To do"

Delete a bunch of emails? Ok.

#52 | Posted by REDIAL at 2014-06-15 09:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

Email systems such as Microsoft Outlook are stored on remote servers. Servers are connected in arrays that 'mirror' each-other (so that if you lose one or more, you have others to back it up). These servers are backed up daily, weekly and monthly with the back-up tapes taken to safe storage locations. Emails over a two year period would be on dozens of different back-up tapes. You would have to destroy all the back-up tapes DELIBERATELY after getting them out of the archives.

Almost all companies, especially government and highly regulated organization, are required to archive all email (plus any electronic communication) and then map a retention policy to it, like "destroy after 7 years" or something like that. Even with a PST file on her computer, the emails exist on remote servers PERIOD. They are archived and they must be able to be accessed. If not, the IRS is out of compliance for having no records retention policy. The FBI computer forensic team can recover everything from Lerner's computer and from the SERVER! They are not lost, they are obstructing, lying and committing a conspiracy to cover up past criminal offenses!

#53 | Posted by zack991 at 2014-06-15 10:29 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

The Federal Records Act of 1950 established the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) to maintain and approve the government's records and established that all federal records were to be kept indefinitely unless they are of a temporary nature and their destruction is approved by the NARA.

#54 | Posted by zack991 at 2014-06-15 10:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

Such govt and corp emails are not lost due to a local hard drive failure as might happen on a home computer. They need to require the IRS to testify to that effect under oath and then charge them with perjury.

There is something counter productive to honest ethical government when those in charge simply stymie open access to all testimony relative to investigations in progress, and refuse to testify under oath. Obama isn't the only one. Bush and Cheney had to be dragged into the 9-11 investigation kicking screaming, hugging and holding hands together, and both refused to testify under oath and demanded that no court recordings used.

I'm all for a very aggressive effort to get to the bottom of all government shenanigans regardless of the Party. 9-11, Iraq War intel, Benghazi, IRS, are all conveniently at least partially being swept under the rug. It is time we hold government officials to full account instead of seeing them made unaccountable. If political elites at the top are held to account, then perhaps they will require that corporate thieves be held to account too.

#55 | Posted by Robson at 2014-06-15 11:30 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Scary to see IRS has even less redundancy than my home network.

#56 | Posted by daniel_3 at 2014-06-16 12:16 AM | Reply | Flag:

The Student:

People who are certain there would be a backup of all email saved to desktop PCs in a big workplace are believing what they want to believe.

#25 | POSTED BY RCADE

The Teachers:

#53-#55

I know you don't deal with the kind of IT infrastructure used by the government, RCADE, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on your post. Let me try to use a simple example to show why you're wrong.

Ever see that ubiquitous Blackberry the President is always using? The emails he receives there show up simultaneously on his office computer...or any other computer on that network that he can log into. That's because all of those devices are retrieving the emails from a server, where all the emails are stored. His BB and office computer are just using local copies.

#57 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-06-16 07:56 AM | Reply | Flag:

Galaxiepete is the ONLY DR liberal or lefty to express concern about this.

That's it.

Pete.

The rest of this site's lefties appear to be cheering.

Where in the hell are this site's reasonable liberals?

Do you people not realize what is happening here?

Do you realize but simply don't give a ----?

Do you have any principles at all?

Do you not understand the broader, longer-term implications if this is completely swept away?

#58 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-06-16 09:06 AM | Reply | Flag:

Computer crashes do not inevitably and always destroy all data on a hard drive. Computer networks typically have backup systems to prevent such data loss. And system administrators record the circumstances surrounding crashes for future reference and for determining how to prevent their recurrence. The IRS can claim it was unable to find Lerner's emails due to the crash, but the smart money says the NSA can do it.

washingtonexaminer.com

Seriously, for all of the Danni's of the world who insist this is a phony-scandal (she would be shrieking like a banshee had the IRS targeted liberal groups during the Bush years), what in the hell does the IRS have to hide? If they did nothing wrong, WHY all of the stone-walling?

This is complete and utter BS. Fortunately for the administration, the IRS and Dems in general, Pravda..er..the MSM will completely ignore this latest story.

#59 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-06-16 09:14 AM | Reply | Flag:

That's because all of those devices are retrieving the emails from a server, where all the emails are stored.

If that was the case in Lerner's office, the story wouldn't be about a local hard drive crash. If there are servers that kept her office email and she was just pulling down copies, the reporting on this is extremely inaccurate.

I'm judging by what we've been told about her email situation.

#60 | Posted by rcade at 2014-06-16 09:43 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Computer networks typically have backup systems to prevent such data loss"

I work for an insurance agency of 60 employees, not the IRS.

my emails can't be lost. we have a server and another back up server off site.

if my computer crashes, no problem
if our server crashes, no problem
if our building is incinerated, no problem.

but we have a problem at the IRS with losing data due to a "crash"?

#61 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-16 09:48 AM | Reply | Flag:

This is a cover-up, Ebs.

That is the bottom-line. It's a cover-up.

Do you realize how big of a deal the media made of 18 1/2 minutes of audio-tape being destroyed during the Watergate scandal? 18 minutes. It dominated the news.

Here we have 2 years' worth of emails 'irretrievably' lost and how does the Times respond? Crickets. Zero coverage and this news broke on Friday. Nothing.

The only way we will ever know what truly happened is for the next Julian Assange to come along, hack their database and perform a document dump.

The 4th Estate has now become protectors of government. And if some reporter goes digging into possible scandals by this administration, they get fired by a boss whose brother works for the administration. That's how it works now.

#63 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-06-16 10:17 AM | Reply | Flag:

offices should archive all email, of course, but that's expensive so many don't.

#16 | POSTED BY RCADE

The commercial rate for 30TB of Raid5 network storage is around 23k (the government would be able to get that cheaper though). That translates to $1.30 per GB. If you add in maintenance and replacing the storage every 5 years, that comes to $1.63 per GB. A person receiving around 100 emails per day, some with attachments will use up about 4GB in a archive PST file. Total cost is $6.52 to keep it forever. That does not include backups, so make that about $13 per person to retain one years worth of emails permanently. Maybe they don't need to do that for each and every person in the IRS, but certainly they should for anyone in a lead position. Also, after a few years of storing the archive PST files on disk, they could archive it to tape and reduce that cost considerably for old archives.

#64 | Posted by path at 2014-06-16 10:18 AM | Reply | Flag:

"This is a cover-up, Ebs.

That is the bottom-line. It's a cover-up."

well, it is what it is....it certainly points that way. This email back up thing is absurd.

How folks who purport to have any knowledge of IT can pretend that the IRS not have an email back up......whatever.

#65 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-16 10:26 AM | Reply | Flag:

How folks who purport to have any knowledge of IT can pretend that the IRS not have an email back up......whatever.
#65 | POSTED BY EBERLY

This story needs to go away. This is why we are witnessing such lame excuses.

Fortunately for the IRS (and the administration and certain Senate Democrats?) this will go away because O-Pravda will ignore it.

#66 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-06-16 10:32 AM | Reply | Flag:

#64 | POSTED BY PATH...

Woops, must be Monday, reversed my division. Costs are $0.95/GB with maintenance and 5 year replacement. That.s $3.83 per PST or arount $4 per PST backed up and retained forever (one-time cost).

#67 | Posted by path at 2014-06-16 10:35 AM | Reply | Flag:

Jeff, if there were a way to defend this, the obamabots would. They defended the actual investigations as they targeted groups that probably needed more scrutiny....that's another argument.

But all anybody can do is ignore it.

#68 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-16 10:36 AM | Reply | Flag:

#67

$4?

"they can't afford it"

-RCADE

#69 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-16 10:36 AM | Reply | Flag:

The commercial rate for 30TB of Raid5 network storage is around 23k (the government would be able to get that cheaper though).

IRS agents are working with XP laptops. Their operations are continually underfunded by "shrink the government" types until it doesn't fit their meme.

Mail is not opened timely.

Millions of taxpayer telephone calls go unanswered.

But somehow they are going to find the money to buy and install e-mail backup drives?

Really?

#70 | Posted by 726 at 2014-06-16 10:41 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

#70

OMG

#71 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-16 10:43 AM | Reply | Flag:

#70 | POSTED BY 726

So, it's all conservatives' fault.

Got it.

#72 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-06-16 10:46 AM | Reply | Flag:

Up until 6 months ago I was on XP - the company I work for still had back up. My emails couldn't be lost.

Like I said - lefties are cheering this. Liberals are amazingly silent.

#73 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-06-16 10:47 AM | Reply | Flag:

"But somehow they are going to find the money to buy and install e-mail backup drives?"

do you have email back up? carbonite? something like that?

#74 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-16 10:48 AM | Reply | Flag:

I've never believed there was a real smoking gun behind this......probably just an internal agenda at the IRS at perhaps only a single office. If there was a connection to DC and even Obama....those tracks had been covered adequately and we would never know anything.

What is going on with this? why the obvious hiding?

#75 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-16 10:50 AM | Reply | Flag:

Here's a question for the resident liberals:

Why are we just now learning about this?

Doesn't that seem even remotely fishy to any of you not named GalaxiePete?

Anyone?

Bueller?

#76 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-06-16 10:51 AM | Reply | Flag:

What is going on with this? why the obvious hiding?

#75 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Because there's something to hide?

#77 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-06-16 10:52 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

According to the tax agency, the excuse is legitimate. As the AP reported, "The IRS said technicians went to great lengths trying to recover data from Lerner's computer in 2011. In emails provided by the IRS, technicians said they sent the computer to a forensic lab run by the agency's criminal investigations unit. But to no avail."

For Republicans and their allies, this sounds like a convenient way to deny investigators access to Lerner's emails. But note, the IRS has already produced 67,000 emails to and from Lerner, from 2009 to 2013, and were able to piece together 24,000 Lerner emails from the missing period based those who'd been cc'd in various messages. This is hardly evidence of a cover-up.

For that matter, note that Republicans and conspiracy theorists are principally interested in Lerner's messages from 2012 – the election year. The computer crash affected emails from before 2012. If the IRS intended to hide potentially damaging materials from investigators, and it was willing to use a made-up technical problem to obscure the truth, chances are the agency would have scrapped Lerner's emails from the relevant period, not emails from before the relevant period.

That said, if Republicans want to talk about the outrage that comes with an administration that claims to have lost emails due to a technical glitch, let's broaden the conversation a bit.

The Bush White House email controversy surfaced in 2007, during the controversy involving the dismissal of eight U.S. attorneys.

Congressional requests for administration documents while investigating the dismissals of the U.S. attorneys required the Bush administration to reveal that not all internal White House emails were available, because they were sent via a non-government domain hosted on an email server not controlled by the federal government. Conducting governmental business in this manner is a possible violation of the Presidential Records Act of 1978, and the Hatch Act…. In 2009, it was announced that as many as 22 million emails may have been deleted. [emphasis added]

At the time, congressional Republican didn't seem bothered by this at all. Imagine that.

Of course, the difference is, there was credible evidence that the Bush White House engaged in actual wrongdoing, suggesting the missing emails included potentially incriminating evidence, all of which somehow went missing. In contrast, no one has yet produced any evidence that the IRS "controversy" is real.
www.msnbc.com

#78 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-06-16 10:52 AM | Reply | Flag:

Amazing some people do not believe there are not protections against email loss and then show they don't know how it could possibly work. I can show you my last 20 years of emails....

#79 | Posted by rearendhat at 2014-06-16 10:53 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

I thought that after Bergdahl, the spin from the left couldn't get any more dizzying. It's mind boggling.

What's even more mind-numbingly crazy is that the proggies buy into it. "What? Two years of emails lost. So? Nothing to see here. Move on".

When will the left ever get a grip on how horribly dishonest this administration is? That they don't challenge the idiot they voted for (twice) is part of the reason it continues. If everyone stood against this sort of dishonesty, it would go away. But the more the proggies pretend nothing is wrong, the more the zero becomes emboldened to push the limits. It's a vicious feedback that the proggies refuse to acknowledge, much less stop.

How sad that America's first black president is going to go down in history as the most dishonest and most mistrusted ever.

Hope and change, baby. You got it!

#81 | Posted by goatman at 2014-06-16 10:57 AM | Reply | Flag:

"This is hardly evidence of a cover-up."

emails lost from an alleged "computer crash"?

yes, it is evidence of a cover-up, as that seems virtually impossible.

#83 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-16 11:00 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

Did you guys catch that part in Tony's post that whined about conspiracy theorists?

Perhaps we should visit 9-11 again along with Sarah Palin's baby.......

#84 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-16 11:02 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Amazing some people do not believe there are not protections against email loss and then show they don't know how it could possibly work. I can show you my last 20 years of emails....

Exactly. On an oil rig, every workstation and its Outlook mailboxes are backed up daily in two separate locations: Locally on tape and on a server in Houston (which itself is also backed up). The odds of losing one day's worth of emails is astronomical. Two years worth? No way. Only the most stupid of the stupid (or most partisan of the partisan) would actually believe two years worth of emails got lost.

How can you proggies shame yourselves so blatantly by continuing to defend the indefensible? Isn't it horribly embarrassing for you?

#85 | Posted by goatman at 2014-06-16 11:02 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

Here comes Tony to the rescue:

the IRS has already produced 67,000 emails to and from Lerner,

Yet we can't see communications between her and other departments including DOJ, the White House and Senate Democrats.

There's nothing to see in those missing emails. Just move along.

#86 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-06-16 11:03 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Of course Tony's excuse making #78 points to the Bush administration for lost emails....and he found that fishy....but not this.

#87 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-16 11:05 AM | Reply | Flag:

I wonder if tony, 726, rcade, et al would be so vociferous in defense of the oil industry if it was discovered that two days (yes, only two days, not two years) worth of emails from the Deepwater Horizon were lost after that Macondo incident.

Of course they would be! LOL *snark off*

#88 | Posted by goatman at 2014-06-16 11:16 AM | Reply | Flag:

it's just proof that anybody who posts a defense or excuse for losing these emails does not care about justice, good govt, nor transparency.

they care about partisan politics and nothing else. they whine about partisan politics 24/7 but obviously that's all they're interested in anyway.

#89 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-16 11:19 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

it's just proof that anybody who posts a defense or excuse for losing these emails does not care about justice, good govt, nor transparency.

Yep.

And it's also very strange that liberals who DO care about those things have been amazingly silent. Not even a hint of expressed skepticism.

#90 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-06-16 11:23 AM | Reply | Flag:

Of course Tony's excuse making #78 points to the Bush administration for lost emails....and he found that fishy....but not this.

#87 | POSTED BY EBERLY

There must be a reason for that.

#91 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-06-16 11:24 AM | Reply | Flag:

. If you are saving email locally to your desktop computer with an email client that only archives email if you do it manually, you're not going to have an archive of 100% of your email.

#25 | POSTED BY RCADE

???

Are you suggesting that it is possible the government depends on its employees to manually back up their email? Even top echelon IRS?

Really? You honestly in your heart believe this could be the case, rcade?

Incredible. Mind-numbingly incredible.

#92 | Posted by goatman at 2014-06-16 11:27 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

Even top echelon IRS?

It's mind-boggling.

Yet the NSA can manage to record every single phone call in this country.

#94 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-06-16 11:29 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

Tony asked more questions about whether or not Palin actually gave birth to her own child.

#93 | POSTED BY DALTON

To be fair, that was far more important than this.

#95 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-06-16 11:30 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Whew!"

Jay Carney

#96 | Posted by goatman at 2014-06-16 11:31 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

'In contrast, no one has yet produced any evidence that the IRS "controversy" is real.'

It's kind of hard to prove that when the IRS destroys incriminating evidence.

#98 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-06-16 11:40 AM | Reply | Flag:

Wife to husband. I think you're having an affair with "Karen"
Husband: no I'm not
Wife: let me see your texts to Karen
Husband: They were deleted.
Wife: all of them?
Husband: Just the ones to Karen

nothing suspicious at all.

#100 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2014-06-16 11:54 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

Let's review the lefty/liberal responses to this:

Redial - But Bush... Clearly could care less. Nothing to see here.

Rcade - The government isn't capable of backing up their email files. Nothing to see here.

Sammy - Jumping up and down and cheering because the IRS was used as a political weapon to the benefit of Dems. If the roles were reversed he'd be looking to assassinate someone.

726 - this is completely understandable and if there is anyone to blame it's conservatives and Republicans.

Tony - Nothing to see here. A bunch of whipped-up nonsense. Let's muse about Sarah and Bristol Palin's babies.

Sycophant - happy that the IRS targeted conservative groups. But if the roles were reversed? See Sammy above.

#101 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-06-16 12:06 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

Government offices should archive all email, of course, but that's expensive so many don't.

#16 | POSTED BY RCADE

A two terabyte hard drive can be had for $100. Some emails are as small as 2k. So $100 can hold a billion emails of that size. Even 100,000,000 larger emails of 20K could fit on a $100 2 terabyte drive.

Granted there'd be a one time cost for server configuration, but the actual storage is nothing. I'll bet one of Michelle Antoinette's vacations alone could easily purchase enough memory and support to back up every email a government employee has ever written.

#102 | Posted by goatman at 2014-06-16 12:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

The commercial rate for 30TB of Raid5 network storage is around 23k (the government would be able to get that cheaper though).

I wasn't talking about disk storage expense. The expense is in the employees required to set it up and make sure it continues to operate properly on all employee computers.

#103 | Posted by rcade at 2014-06-16 12:32 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

Are you suggesting that it is possible the government depends on its employees to manually back up their email?

From the story you obviously didn't read:

"Currently, IRS employees have the capacity to store about 6,000 emails in their active Outlook email boxes, which are saved on the IRS centralized network. But the letter and background document sent to the Hill Friday said they could only store about 1,800 emails in their active folders prior to July 2011.

"When their inboxes were full, IRS employees had to make room by either deleting emails or archiving them on their personal computers. Archived data were not stored by the IRS but by the individual."

#104 | Posted by rcade at 2014-06-16 12:34 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

I wasn't talking about disk storage expense. The expense is in the employees required to set it up and make sure it continues to operate properly on all employee computers.

Funny how private industry can make it happen.

I guess this is just further proof that the private sector can do things better than public sector.

#105 | Posted by goatman at 2014-06-16 12:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I wasn't talking about disk storage expense. The expense is in the employees required to set it up and make sure it continues to operate properly on all employee computers."

This is comical at best. I don't even know where to start..... There are IT functions for a reason. Yes the home user of outlook has to manage their own backups, but that's not how it works in an Enterprise MS Exchange environment. It's just not.

There are extensive rules placed on the retention of email for Gov't agencies and industries that handle email of this nature. It's IT's role to implement it, and to ensure the retention of all email. It's beyond just backing up inboxes. Versions of all incoming and outgoing mail HAVE to be archived.

To then claim that the failure of one drive on someone's desktop PC is the source of complete loss of all mail for that user is LAUGHABLE.

You're applying a home desktop users experience to mail retention and that is just not applicable here.

#106 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2014-06-16 12:39 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

At the time, congressional Republican didn't seem bothered by this at all. Imagine that.

The people bleating about this also didn't complain about Romney buying up all the PCs from his administration in Massachusetts after he left office to delete the information they contained.

I am amazed that so many people believe data backup is easy and happens all over corporate America and government without any user data loss. In my experience the places that do that well are rare.

I would expect government to be good at it, but am not surprised to hear about situations like this one where an office and/or entire agency fell down on the job.

Am I 100% certain this was unintentional? Of course not. If evidence surfaces of intentional data deletion I hope it ends in prosecution.

#107 | Posted by rcade at 2014-06-16 12:41 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

"Currently, IRS employees have the capacity to store about 6,000 emails in their active Outlook email boxes, which are saved on the IRS centralized network. But the letter and background document sent to the Hill Friday said they could only store about 1,800 emails in their active folders prior to July 2011.

Again, more proof the public sector is clueless since the private sector has no problem taking care of full mailboxes.

On the rig if one's mailbox was approaching capacity, an automated warning message was sent from the system administrators instructing the user to archive -- giving the user the option to prioritize what he wanted archived. They went on to say that if the mailbox limit was reached, the oldest emails would automatically be archived.

Funny how the big bad oil companies got this figured out but the government doesn't?

I don't buy it. The Kool Aid imbibers obviously do, though, even though chances are almost certain that their own private companies are able to archive overflowing inboxes automatically.

#108 | Posted by goatman at 2014-06-16 12:43 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Yes the home user of outlook has to manage their own backups, but that's not how it works in an Enterprise MS Exchange environment. It's just not.

Do you or anyone else have any proof that Lerner's part of the IRS was using enterprise MS Exchange and other employees had 100% email backup?

#109 | Posted by rcade at 2014-06-16 12:43 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 2

The Kool Aid imbibers obviously do, though ...

I'd avoid insults right after you were proven not to have read the link. Maybe those of us you call "imbibers" are just more factually informed on the subject because we actually read the news.

#110 | Posted by rcade at 2014-06-16 12:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

I am amazed that so many people believe data backup is easy and happens all over corporate America and government without any user data loss.

Data loss occasionally happens. But two straight years? And very specifically selected emails at that?

You truly are stretching the limits of incredulity, rcade.

#111 | Posted by goatman at 2014-06-16 12:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

Do you or anyone else have any proof that Lerner's part of the IRS was using enterprise MS Exchange and other employees had 100% email backup?

#109 | POSTED BY RCADE

Given all of the rules and regulations governing the IRS, I find it impossible to believe emails from a high echelon employee could just be lost. Oops. I am not buying it.

Am I 100% certain this was unintentional? Of course not. If evidence surfaces of intentional data deletion I hope it ends in prosecution.

#107 | POSTED BY RCADE

I hope you can understand how much this has the appearance of a massive cover-up.

#112 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-06-16 12:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

A two terabyte hard drive can be had for $100. Some emails are as small as 2k. So $100 can hold a billion emails of that size.

#102 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2014-06-16 12:31 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

I doubt a 2 terrabyte hard drive is all that the IRS would need.

But go ahead and pitch that idea to the Treasury department.

#113 | Posted by 726 at 2014-06-16 12:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

Data loss occasionally happens. But two straight years? And very specifically selected emails at that?

If there was illegal collusion between various departments including, but not limited to, the White House, proof of such activity would likely be contained in Lerner's inter-department emails, which have been conveniently lost. All of them.

And then, the IRS has the gall to ask for the investigation to be terminated. How unbelievably cocksure.

#114 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-06-16 12:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

The emails aren't really lost. I expect a back will eventually be produced in time to prevent an obstruction of justice charge. Sometime in December 2016.

#115 | Posted by visitor_ at 2014-06-16 12:59 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

I'd avoid insults right after you were proven not to have read the link

No such thing was proven, rcade. Just because I don't believe the IRS's explanation to cover their own butt doesn't mean I didn't read it. Being a techie my whole life, I've seen this stunt pulled a million times. The boss asks why such-and-such went wrong. The techie or engineer goes into a very technical explanation way over the boss's head of how things supposedly work and because of that, things went south. The boss has no reason but to believe it. It's called, "Baffle 'em with --------". I've seen it in various forms in my 40 years as an ET.

So the IRS (not even their ITs) gives this implausible explanation and you proggies eat it up. "But, but, but the IRS said that their Outlook won't back up automatically" even though it makes no sense in a data driven world and no one else depends on manual backups in this data driven world. You of all people should know this, rcade.

For the record, I don't believe the explanation from the fox guarding the hen house as to what happened to those hens, either.

But that's just me, I guess.

#116 | Posted by goatman at 2014-06-16 12:59 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

I doubt a 2 terrabyte hard drive is all that the IRS would need.
But go ahead and pitch that idea to the Treasury department.
#113 | POSTED BY 726

Yeah, you're right. We shouldn't have any expectation for transparency, data security, impartial treatment of ALL citizens nor basic competence from the IRS or the Federal government. At least not while Obama is president.

#117 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-06-16 01:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

I hope you can understand how much this has the appearance of a massive cover-up.

#112 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

If Bush was president, he'd be more than fully aware.

#118 | Posted by goatman at 2014-06-16 01:01 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

But two straight years? And very specifically selected emails at that?

They weren't specifically selected, and the emails most relevant to the Lerner investigation weren't part of the reported data loss.

From Tony's link: "Republicans and conspiracy theorists are principally interested in Lerner's messages from 2012 -- the election year. The computer crash affected emails from before 2012."

#119 | Posted by rcade at 2014-06-16 01:01 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

I doubt a 2 terrabyte hard drive is all that the IRS would need.

I seriously doubt that too, 726. Who made that absurd assertion?

#120 | Posted by goatman at 2014-06-16 01:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

From Tony's link: "Republicans and conspiracy theorists are principally interested in Lerner's messages from 2012 -– the election year. The computer crash affected emails from before 2012."
#119 | POSTED BY RCADE

Jesus H. Christ on a popsicle stick.

The targeting started in 2010. If direction came from above the IRS, any proof of such would have taken place at the beginning of all of this, which happens to conveniently be the time period where email correspondence between Lerner and other government departments (White House, certain Senators - Carl Levin, DOJ, FBI, etc.) have been lost. Supposedly.

Tony's MSNBC link is an extremely lame defense - I would encourage you to discontinue citing it.

#121 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-06-16 01:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

Months and even years of e-mail get lost REGULARLY in the USAF. Over the last five years I can think of three people I know personally who lost some e-mail due to harddrive crashes (which is what motivated me to get into the habit of doing backups of my own emails with each monthly report....).

No, not backed up ANYWHERE. In fact, if you don't let the server pass the e-mails to your machine, the Air Force IT folks kill your e-mail until you clear the backlog OFF their server.

So, yeah, it can happen....

but as I said above....

....DAMN its just SO convenient for her....

#122 | Posted by USAF242 at 2014-06-16 01:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

Of course to an outsider such as myself it appears highly suspicious that emails were lost. But if we judged everything based on 'appearances' when it comes to politicians and DC, every elected leader in this country (and certainly the GOP) would be in prison. If there is actual evidence of wrong-doing (either direct OR circumstantial) I will take a much more sceptical view of what has occured. THe opinions of partisan pundits and rightwingers hoping to create a scandal just will not suffice.

#123 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-06-16 01:21 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"The Bush White House email controversy surfaced in 2007, "

Seriously? Everything this Administration does wrong some liberal has to chime in and say "But Bush....."

It's just amazing how liberals can spin things that are clearly mismanaged to deflect from them and put it on someone else

#124 | Posted by sames1 at 2014-06-16 01:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

If there is actual evidence of wrong-doing

How will we ever know?

#125 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-06-16 01:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

How will we ever know?

#125 | Posted by JeffJ

Actual evidence of criminal wrong-doing surfaces all the time in all possible circumstances. If there was any genuine criminal wrong-doing then there will be witnesses to it, some of whom will be credible and some of whom may be able to provide physical/computer evidence of such wrong-doing. Criminal activity is exposed all the time under circumstances which the casual outside observer might never imagine.

If Lois Lerner knowingly messed around with emails, or ordered her subordinates to do it, there are witnesses and there should be evidence.

#126 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-06-16 01:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Do you or anyone else have any proof that Lerner's part of the IRS was using enterprise MS Exchange"

Well, from all that was stated about the number of emails storable in a PST file, she has to be using outlook. Outlook needs an outgoing smtp server for sending and some sort of receiving server to either connect to with outlook, or to 'pop' down their mail, or to etc etc...

long story short, it only makes sense that there is an Exchange Server enabling Outlook to send and receive.

Are their other Enterprise Grade Mail Exchanger servers available...Lotus Notes comes to mind, but I doubt given the Gov'ts reliance on MS products that there isn't an exchange server there.

Only other option is that Lerner configured her Outlook client to connect to her ISP's mail services or Gmail. But that's unlikely as those companies would be complying with the laws around email retention and we wouldn't be having this debate....along with all the other aspects that would prevent her from doing that.

Long story short, with a dash of tech intuition it HAS to be Exchange.

#128 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2014-06-16 02:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

Of course to an outsider such as myself it appears highly suspicious that emails were lost. ... If there is actual evidence of wrong-doing (either direct OR circumstantial) I will take a much more sceptical view of what has occured. THe opinions of partisan pundits and rightwingers hoping to create a scandal just will not suffice.

This is my position too. Any time electronic records go missing there's naturally suspicion of wrongdoing. But absent proof of that, it really could just be unintentional.

#129 | Posted by rcade at 2014-06-16 02:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

If there was any genuine criminal wrong-doing then there will be witnesses to it,

2 things would have to come into play:

1. Said witnesses would have to at least be impartial. If they are 'loyal' and believe in 'the cause' then they aren't likely to volunteer such information.

2. They'd have to be willing to come forward and you've seen how our government treats whistle-blowers.

I don't see it happening, particularly when congress doesn't have a whole lot of power to compel information which is compounded by the fact that POTUS and congressional Democrats ALL want this to go away and are doing everything in their power to make that happen.

#130 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-06-16 02:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Any time electronic records go missing there's naturally suspicion of wrongdoing."

especially when there is an investigation being conducted currently that requires those emails.

not just "any time".

#131 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-16 02:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

CNN smacks down the IRS over Lerner's "lost" emails:

"Do you believe in the Easter Bunny?"

www.youtube.com

#132 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-06-16 02:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

"they are admitting that the guy they voted for (twice) lied to them big time when he promised change."

which is really only relevant if those fools care about being lied to or care about change.

partisan ideology is more important, apparently.

#133 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-16 02:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

#122

Can we make a comparison of the Air Force and the IRS (especially at the top of the chain)?

#134 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-16 02:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Tony's MSNBC link is an extremely lame defense - I would encourage you to discontinue citing it."

he feels compelled to shill with whatever he has, Jeff.

#135 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-16 02:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

I've been in IT for 35+years and have worked on government contracts before although not the IRS. One agency was using Lotus Notes, but most use MS Exchange. They all typically run a COE environment (Consistent Office Environment) where their workstations (PCs and Laptops) have a standard build that is centrally maintained and somewhat hardened from end users messing around with the configurations. Can't even install unapproved software. It is very common as well that they perform automatic backups of the data drives on those workstations.

FWIW

#136 | Posted by path at 2014-06-16 02:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

Hmmm... the Google Smart Ads that appear on DR pages has this currently at the top of my page anyway: "Hard Drive Recovery, $199"... "Free data diagnosis, no data, no fee, Call today"

#137 | Posted by path at 2014-06-16 03:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

#132 | POSTED BY MUSTANG GT

That was a smack-down. It was sarcastic as hell.

#138 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-06-16 03:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

It sounds like the claim that these emails are truly lost is implausible. If that's true, then this claim that they are lost indicates Lerner's emails contain incriminating evidence of wrongdoing. Also, if it's true these emails aren't truly lost, this claim carries the taint of obstruction.

It also calls for increased scrutiny:

Please provide a timeline of the crash and documentation covering when it was first discovered and by whom; when, how and by whom it was learned that materials were lost; the official documentation reporting the crash and federal data loss; documentation reflecting all attempts to recover the materials; and the remediation records documenting the fix. This material should include the names of all officials and technicians involved, as well as all internal communications about the matter.

Please provide all documents and emails that refer to the crash from the time that it happened through the IRS' disclosure to Congress Friday that it had occurred.

Please provide the documents that show the computer crash and lost data were appropriately reported to the required entities including any contractor servicing the IRS. If the incident was not reported, please explain why.
Please provide a list summarizing what other data was irretrievably lost in the computer crash. If the loss involved any personal data, was the loss disclosed to those impacted? If not, why?

Please provide documentation reflecting any security analyses done to assess the impact of the crash and lost materials. If such analyses were not performed, why not?

Please provide documentation showing the steps taken to recover the material, and the names of all technicians who attempted the recovery.
Please explain why redundancies required for federal systems were either not used or were not effective in restoring the lost materials, and provide documentation showing how this shortfall has been remediated.
Please provide any documents reflecting an investigation into how the crash resulted in the irretrievable loss of federal data and what factors were found to be responsible for the existence of this situation.

I would also ask for those who discovered and reported the crash to testify under oath, as well as any officials who reported the materials as having been irretrievably lost.


sharylattkisson.com

If it turns out the emails aren't truly lost, this also smacks of cover-up.

This thing keeps getting uglier.

#139 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-06-16 05:49 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

The dog ate them.

#140 | Posted by sames1 at 2014-06-16 06:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

If ...
#139 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

There is no "if" Jeff. the data is still there. It's on Lois' PC, it's on the PCs of everyone she sent emails to, it's on the MS Exchange servers, It's on the backup of those PCs and servers. It would be pretty implausible for all that data to not only be "accidently" destroyed in a so called computer glitch, but also undetectable through forensics. When you delete data or a hard drive crashes, the data does not go away unless you run multiple passes of a data wipe utility which would have to be done intentionally on ALL the disks where that data showed up in the form of an email.

#141 | Posted by path at 2014-06-16 06:52 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

I would bet $100 that if I had her PC hard drive I could recover 99% of her data.

#142 | Posted by rearendhat at 2014-06-16 08:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

For the rest of my life, whenever I'm on the business end of a government inquiry, I'll just invoke one of Obama's top lieutenants to tell the Feds to go screw themselves.

Tax trouble? The Geithner defense. "Sorry, I was unaware I was not in compliance." Lost important records that the government is demanding?
"Sorry guys. Lois Lerner." Product rollout not exactly up to what was promised, and legal problems beckon? Sebelius.

My revulsion toward our massive, money-no-object government was near absolute in the first place. Now it's obvious that Obama's top people have gone full-retard. I can play that game too. So can everyone else.

#143 | Posted by WhiteDevil at 2014-06-16 09:17 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

There is no "if" Jeff. the data is still there. It's on Lois' PC, it's on the PCs of everyone she sent emails to, it's on the MS Exchange servers, It's on the backup of those PCs and servers.

The link already covers this. The IRS has recovered 24,000 emails to or from Lerner by retrieving them sources such as the ones you describe.

#144 | Posted by rcade at 2014-06-17 11:19 AM | Reply | Flag:

OOOPSY! Six MORE IRS employees also lost their emails!

www.nationalreview.com

#145 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-06-17 12:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

and we want the government to handle our medical records?

#146 | Posted by sames1 at 2014-06-17 12:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

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