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Joel Silberman: I just love how [Hillary] Clinton drives the right wing absolutely crazy. Because truth be told, [Barack] Obama was our olive branch. After the unmitigated disaster of the Bush presidency, progressives chose the more conciliatory Obama as a way to try to dial down the culture war. When Obama was sworn in in 2009, with his former rival as secretary of State and his predecessor's secretary of Defense staying at his post, his approval rating was at 83% -- a rare moment of national unity outside of wartime. And no, we never expected it would be all love and harmony from there, but the ferocity of the pushback from the right was so far beyond Machiavellian political calculus that it shocked our conscience.

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Which brings me back to Clinton: She is a wolf in wolf's clothing, an unapologetic warrior who gets a glint in her eye when she makes the reactionaries and the racists and the sexists squirm. And if she runs in 2016, she'll have a back-on-his-game former president with her, as well as Obama's former campaign manager Jim Messina, and both of them will be gleefully relieving her opponents of their kneecaps. ...

In short: It'll be exhausting and it'll be ugly, but given the political moment we're in and the importance of having a woman in the Oval Office, it'll be worth it. I can't wait.

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Just thought I'd throw this to the local wolves.

The author believes that Obama was too soft, but Clinton is merciless.

I didn't really see that from her in the past. I thought Obama ground her down into submission when he campaigned against her. We will see what happens this time.

#1 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2014-06-13 04:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

Hillary would never have thought there was any possibility that the GOP would ever do anything but obstruct anything she tried to do from Day One.

She would have kept a high-heel on Mitch's neck instead, as I said after seeing Obama learn on the job.

Excellent article by Joel Silberman, titled, "Why I've changed my mind about Hillary Clinton".

Other far lefties could take a lesson.

#2 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-13 04:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

I didn't really see that from her in the past.

Just ask Vince Foster.

- Limbaughts.

#3 | Posted by 726 at 2014-06-13 04:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

I love how its never Hillary they tout. It's Hillary and Bill. It's only appropriate the the people that think she is a victory for women also can't wait to mention that Bill comes as a part of the package. Simply put, Hillary by herself isn't enough...it takes a village named Bill.

Everyone knows she rides his coat tails.

I do agree that Hillary is a wolf. She would have been a much wiser choice in 2008. She isn't indecisive like Obama. But spare us the load of crap that you chose Obama as some type of conciliatory move. Own your Obama mistake and move on.

"We chose the more conciliatory Obama" is a limpwristed way of admitting you made the wrong choice while pretending you only made that choice to be nice.

#4 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-06-13 04:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

"but given the political moment we're in and the importance of having a woman in the Oval Office,"

Here we go again. Identity politics. Vote for Hillary because she's a woman.

#5 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-06-13 04:34 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

Everyone will be a misogynist.

#6 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-06-13 04:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Vote for _____________!" - Nulli

As the article mentions, after what we've seen from the GOPs war on women, they deserve the have their noses rubbed in it.

#7 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-13 04:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Everyone will be a misogynist. "

If you vote against Hillary, you're a misogynist and an ally of KKKarl Rove.

#8 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-06-13 04:40 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

If you have no candidate, but insist the other candidates suck, you might be a Puritopian.

Especially if you haven't learned anything from your last vote.

Silberman, and hopefully a lot of other liberals who are not too dysfunctionally deluded and disillusioned to even have a candidate also learned something.

#9 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-13 04:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

What if instead of voting against her, I just don't vote for her? I know it's early, but I can't even imagine somebody I'd vote "for", including her.

We waste too much money on policing the world and on feeding, housing, and coddling net takers that are capable of contributing. We are living in an increasing police state. Big money talks, the rest walk. Illegal immigrants cross our borders and take take take.
Nobody can fix it. Not many want it fixed.

#11 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-06-13 04:47 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Bill and Hillary invented the war on women. Bill would sexually harrass them at work. When the complained about it Hillary would do her part to destroy them personally. How anyone can think those two are friends of women anywhere is beyond me.

#14 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-13 04:59 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

They shouldn't allow this guy his view on anything. Oh, so he screwed up by supporting zero; and now he'll screw up supporting a liar and someone without any significant accomplishments. You gotta believe some of these half-wits really don't care about the destruction of this country; only their obtuse personal agendas. What a bunch of drivel.

#16 | Posted by matsop at 2014-06-13 05:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

I love how its never Hillary they tout. It's Hillary and Bill. It's only appropriate the the people that think she is a victory for women also can't wait to mention that Bill comes as a part of the package. Simply put, Hillary by herself isn't enough...it takes a village named Bill.
Everyone knows she rides his coat tails.
...
#4 | POSTED BY 101CHAIRBORNE AT 2014-06-13 04:33 PM | FLAG:

If you can trot out Bill, then you go for it. It's a no-brainer. People love the guy.

I have to admit I like seeing George as well. I'd rather see him instead of Willard.

#17 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2014-06-13 07:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

I think this is one of the least persuasive arguments for a Hillary Clinton presidency that I've ever read.

I don't see her as a figure who will go on the attack against the other side. At this point I think she'd likely be more to the center than Obama, and she might even be able to achieve some aisle-crossing measures that he couldn't. Remember triangulation?

But it's early, and the political moment for her is far different than it was for her husband in the '90s. She could surprise me.

#18 | Posted by rcade at 2014-06-14 09:44 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

The last guy made a ton of promises and people fell for it only to spend eight years of dissappointment and excuses. Now they have a new promiser elect and it is completely different this time.

Lol

#19 | Posted by techres at 2014-06-14 11:55 AM | Reply | Flag:

I'd prefer she NOT run for president, I'm not a fan. There needs to be a law where no more Bush's or Clinton's can be presidents.

#21 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2014-06-14 12:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

She could surprise me.

#18 | Posted by rcade at 2014-06-14 09:44 AM | Reply |

Obviously, based on the current denizen in the office, you're easily surprised. We don't need any more surprises or anymore establishment figures. We need someone to turn us in a direction that'll heal this country-----remember, 65% of people say we're headed in the wrong direction. If Obama and the progressives were so progressive, that % of people wouldn't feel the impending doom they're feeling. Another warmed over established, globalist, keynesian piece of stew isn't going to help this country. And until you and many others get some global warming of your thought processes, the country will remain headed in a direction most know it shouldn't.

#22 | Posted by matsop at 2014-06-14 01:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

importance of having a woman in the Oval Office

----

Sexist.

#23 | Posted by Pirate at 2014-06-14 01:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

The last guy made a ton of promises and people fell for it only to spend eight years of dissappointment and excuses.

#19 | Posted by techres at 2014-06-14 11:55 AM | Reply

Obama's only been in office for 6 and a half years.

#24 | Posted by matsop at 2014-06-14 01:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

As the article mentions, after what we've seen from the GOPs war on women, they deserve the have their noses rubbed in it.

#7 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-13 04:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

So this isn't about electing someone who is a good POTUS? It is just about spite? How childish.

GOP war on woman, absolutely idiotic made-up statement given BJ Clinton's known affairs and harassment of women.

#26 | Posted by danv at 2014-06-14 02:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

No, silly. The beat down is just gravy.

#27 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-14 03:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

What a crock of ---. Hillary is worthless and useless. Not to mention a pathological liar who can't keep her story straight. See gunfire on tarmac or broke when we left the white house. She's barely qualified to be a maid much less run this country.

She didn't accomplish on single thing of importance while secretary of state. Nothing in Iran, helped mess up Libya and Egypt. Now you liberals want to send her out to run for president? Come on man, can't you retread crazy Al Gore or Frankenstein John Kerry.

I am sorry but its time for the grown ups(conservatives) to be back in charge and the inmates(liberals) behind bars back in the asylum.

We've wasted 8 years on this socialist experiment and proven its a joke.

#28 | Posted by mcmlcxx at 2014-06-14 08:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

We've wasted 8 years on this socialist experiment and proven its a joke.
#28 | POSTED BY MCMLCXX

HAHAHA! Socialist? Do you even know the meaning of the word?

#29 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-14 08:23 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Hillary is a horrible human being. So have been the last bunch of presidents going back to Carter. Not a decent person among the lot.

Behind the propaganda they all believe the same thing: unlimited power, f everyone else.

#30 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-06-15 12:54 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"but given the political moment we're in and the importance of having a woman in the Oval Office,"

Here we go again. Identity politics. Vote for Hillary because she's a woman.

#5 | Posted by nullifidian at

Theirs more then that for her!
Clinton voted in favor of the resolution that authorized George W. Bush's Iraq War
Hilary has business experience after all she was on the board of Walmart!

She is beloved by Wall-Street!

Hillary Clinton had some harsh words related to progressives in her $400,000 speeches for Goldman Sachs and friends. Clinton decided to use her speaking opportunity before the super rich to attack those criticizing Wall Street and its numerous criminal practices.
‘Here's someone who doesn't want to vilify us but wants to get business back in the game,'" said an attendee. "Like, maybe here's someone who can lead us out of the wilderness."
www.politico.com

Hillary on free trade
Favors TPP

Flip Flop Flip!
She was in favor of it then she was against it now.
Clinton's views on "free trade" underwent another seismic shift. She supported a small "free trade" agreement with Oman that had all the ugly trappings of previous "free trade" agreements. Far worse, she has been one of the principle architects of the Trans-Pacific Partnership, an agreement that will be the largest, and most devastating, "free trade" agreement in history if it is passed.
economyincrisis.org

#31 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2014-06-15 02:29 AM | Reply | Flag:

WOOPS I MEAN

Hillary on free trade
Favors TPP

Flip Flop Flip!
She was in favor of it then she was against it now IS IN FAVOR OF IT!

#32 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2014-06-15 02:31 AM | Reply | Flag:

A wolf - lol LOL

I consider a lefty [male or female] a lot of things but never something as as cool as a wolf. Possibly they meant woof ;)

#33 | Posted by MSgt at 2014-06-15 02:54 AM | Reply | Flag:

Close....actually a dog....

#34 | Posted by Greatamerican at 2014-06-15 03:11 AM | Reply | Flag:

.... "progressives chose the more conciliatory Obama as a way to try to dial down the culture war"

**** Actually Chicago Zionists CHOSE & GROOMED Barack Obama to be "their" (bought & paid for) President! As pay back Obama surrounded himself with Jewish Zionists and handed Israel even more power over America (if that was even possible? What's kind of Amazing is that the Zionist Owned America Media isn't screaming "Anti-Semetism" over Cantor's loss...then again maybe they've just replaced Cantor with Brat?

#35 | Posted by AntiCadillac at 2014-06-15 05:17 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

Just what we need more failed policies like blowing Kosovo to bits, NAFTA, Securities Modernization Act & repealing Glass-Steagall. At least Clinton had nothing to do with the bailout. Who will speak and fight for the 99%?

#36 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-06-15 09:00 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Hillary would probably be a better campaigner if she shut up

"#HillaryIsSoPoor all of her political offices have been hand-me-downs."

"#HillaryIsSoPoor she thought about driving herself from 1 mansion to the other mansion"

"#HillaryIsSoPoor she only has three pantsuits in every color."

#37 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2014-06-15 09:52 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

Hillary is such a horribly flawed neo (non) liberal candidate that I fully expect Republicans to beat her with anyone barely reasonable.

hahahahahahaha, omg. Totally lol. Republicans. Reasonable.

No, we're probably stuck with Shillary, as Republicans repeat 2012 and snatch defeat from the sure jaws of victory. And Wall Street will continue to make record profits while Main Street keeps seeing food and gas prices go up, but not their wages. And then get told income disparity and inflation aren't that bad, since those aren't tied into how we count inflation.

The slow march to third world status will continue. We need an Elizabeth Warren or a Bernie Sanders. Someone willing to stand up for the middle class that makes this country great - before it's gone. The current crop exists only for the 1%, and as they get richer, we get poorer.

#38 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2014-06-15 10:20 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

I almost with that warren or sanders won the next selection just so that true believers like zeropoint would have their illusions decimated.

Here is a synopsis of the behavioral loop:

Step 1. Individual and group behaviors are biased by the MPP to generate maximum power, which requires over-reproduction and/or over-consumption of natural resources (overshoot), whenever systemic constraints allow it. Individuals and families will form social groups to generate more power by degrading more energy. Differential power generation and accumulation result in a hierarchical group structure.

Step 2. Energy is always limited, so overshoot eventually leads to decreasing power available to the group, with lower-ranking members suffering first.

Step 3. Diminishing power availability creates divisive subgroups within the original group. Low-rank members will form subgroups and coalitions to demand a greater share of power from higher-ranking individuals, who will resist by forming their own coalitions to maintain power.

Step 4. Violent social strife eventually occurs among subgroups who demand a greater share of the remaining power.

Step 5. The weakest subgroups (high or low rank) are either forced to disperse to a new territory, are killed, enslaved, or imprisoned.

Step 6. Go back to step 1.

#39 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-06-15 12:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

We waste too much money on policing the world and on feeding, housing, and coddling net takers that are capable of contributing. We are living in an increasing police state. Big money talks, the rest walk. Illegal immigrants cross our borders and take take take.
Nobody can fix it. Not many want it fixed.
#11 | POSTED BY 101CHAIRBORNE AT 2014-06-13 04:47 PM | FLAG:

and poor you another one. good, i'm glad you aren't voting. but seriously, why waste time on political blogs, then? or, is life too miserable, in your view, to go outside.

#40 | Posted by ichiro at 2014-06-15 03:59 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Here we go again. Identity politics. Vote for Hillary because she's a woman.
#5 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-06-13 04:34 PM

As opposed to: Vote for George H. W. Bush, because he's a nicer version of Reagan?

As opposed to: vote for Clinton, he's the Southern polar opposite of George H. W. Bush, and polar opposite of trickle-down economics?

As opposed to Dubya, because he pandered to every right-wing hot button issue?

As opposed to Kerry, because he's the anti-war and anti-anti-intellectual choice?

As opposed to Obama, because he's the polar opposite of Dubya?

As opposed to Romney, because he's the rich businessman?

ALL POLITICS are identity politics.

#41 | Posted by e1g1 at 2014-06-16 12:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

"ALL POLITICS are identity politics."

Wrong. Identity politics refer to race, gender and sexual orientation.

#42 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-06-16 12:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

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