Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Friday, June 13, 2014

President Barack Obama said Friday he is weighing a range of options for countering a violent Islamic insurgency in Iraq, but he warned government leaders in Baghdad that he would not take military action unless they move to address deep-seeded political troubles. "We're not going to allow ourselves to be dragged back into a situation in which, while we're there we're keeping a lid on things, and after enormous sacrifices by us, after we're not there, people start acting in ways that are not conducive to the long-term stability and prosperity of the country," Obama said from the South Lawn of the White House.

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Let telegraph all our military plans so the bad guys can sleep at night. It's not the first time we've put their minds at ease.

#1 | Posted by sames1 at 2014-06-13 12:48 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Lets

#2 | Posted by sames1 at 2014-06-13 12:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

So you'd prefer the U.S. to be the world's police? Got budget?

#3 | Posted by Harry_Powell at 2014-06-13 01:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

Let those savages clean themselves out. Time for drilling for our own oil is more important than ever.

#4 | Posted by fishpaw at 2014-06-13 01:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

people start acting in ways that are not conducive to the long-term stability and prosperity of the country

In case you haven't figured it out yet Mr. President, I don't really think ISIL cares about the borders of countries that were drawn up for them by Western powers.

#5 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2014-06-13 01:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

Let those savages clean themselves out.
We tried that plan in Afghanistan in the 90's. It ended up becoming an Al Qaeda sanctuary and helped lead to the 9-11 terrorist attacks (amongst others).

Time for drilling for our own oil is more important than ever.
#4 | Posted by fishpaw at 2014-06-13 01:42 PM |

And will that oil stay in the U.S. or end up being sold on the global market to the highest bidder? There are no simple solutions to this mess.

#6 | Posted by censored at 2014-06-13 01:53 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"So you'd prefer the U.S. to be the world's police?"

He prefers the opposite to whatever President Obama does.

#7 | Posted by REDIAL at 2014-06-13 01:53 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 5

So you'd prefer the U.S. to be the world's police? Got budget?
#3 | POSTED BY HARRY_POWELL

Since Tripoli....

Is this what we are worried about now? Let me know when you are really concerned about it, I will help you with what needs cutting.

#8 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-06-13 01:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

There are no simple solutions to this mess.
#6 | POSTED BY CENSORED

Safe to say the Iraq War was not only complicated, but miscalculated as well. And for what gain? Perpetual peace through perpetual war? Did we honestly believe we could change the minds of the Afghani or Iraqi people? Must we be reminded that both countries (whose borders were set up by outset foreign interests) are full of multiple cultures and religions? All vying for power and security (mostly from each other)? These groups' issues are religious in nature, not political. Implementing democracy into an area full of religious strife was probably the last thing we should have tried to do.

#9 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-13 01:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

Also, I like our President with a touch of non-intervention for once. That being said, I fully expect bombs to be dropped shortly.

#10 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2014-06-13 01:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

Where are all the people screaming about how both parties are exactly the same now?

President McCain would never have left.

President Gore would never have invaded and this whole disaster wouldn't even have been born.

Yeah, no difference at all...

#11 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-06-13 02:06 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 4

Intervention in an ongoing rebellion by the people of a state to support their effort to democratize is one thing... but that never happened in Iraq.

We just did it for them. So when they won, they failed to take seriously those minority factions that helped them and include them in the government.

Now their ass is being bitten because of it and deservedly so.

Still, no one in the international community wants a real jihadist state in the ME.

#12 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-13 02:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

#11

NW post.

#13 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-13 02:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

"So you'd prefer the U.S. to be the world's police? Got budget?"

Missed the point completely. I expect nothing less.

#14 | Posted by sames1 at 2014-06-13 02:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

Implementing democracy into an area full of religious strife was probably the last thing we should have tried to do.

#9 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11 AT 2014-06-13 01:59 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

But but but... Saddam was bad.

#15 | Posted by 726 at 2014-06-13 02:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

President Gore would never have invaded and this whole disaster wouldn't even have been born.

When you elect a cokehead jackass who is dying to be a "war prezident" this is the ---- ups that you get.

#16 | Posted by 726 at 2014-06-13 03:00 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Let telegraph all our military plans so the bad guys can sleep at night. It's not the first time we've put their minds at ease.

#1 | POSTED BY SAMES1

So you'd be okay if Obama told the American public that he couldn't comment on the situation.

As if no other president has ever discussed conflicts.

#17 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2014-06-13 03:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

one man's savage is another man's exalted holy warrior.

what's the difference of an innocent head rolling whether its by a drone piloted by some former gamer who is only in it for the money and the thrill or by the sword of a terrorist doing allah's will?

all these years battling the bad ol' muslims and still the average idiot in the west hasn't really figured them out.

for me, it's easy-- you get as you give. you want to give more? be prepared to get more. the muslims are pretty good at giving what they get.

we've been giving for quite a long time. now its time to get.

come on-- get some!

www.youtube.com

#18 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-06-13 03:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

"no one in the international community wants a real jihadist state in the ME.""

so old yet so naive...

#19 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-06-13 03:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

#19

So young and stupid.

And without naming such a player.

#20 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-13 04:06 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

More proof, IMHO, that to truly win a war, you must be willing to kill anything and everything that gets in the way of your objectives. Exercising restraint will always leave some power with opposition. The aftermath of WW2 was successful because we decimated our enemies, bombing cities, dropping atom bombs, etc. When we were done, we wrote their laws, constitutions, and established their governments. The axis ultimately had no choice but to submit fully to the will of the victorious allies. We STILL have military bases in the former Axis nations!

The gist: If you cant fight a war with total submission and decimation of your enemy as the primary objective, then clearly, you have no business being at war.

Winning "hearts and minds" does not win a war. Giving the enemy no alternative does.

#21 | Posted by apparatchik at 2014-06-13 04:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

Return to Iraq?!? Why not? Use W's reasoning (select one or more: they wanted to kill his dad; they have WMD or schemes to get 'em; Saddam was persecuting Christians; it's Tuesday.

#22 | Posted by catdog at 2014-06-13 04:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

Let those savages clean themselves out. Time for drilling for our own oil is more important than ever.
#4 | Posted by fishpaw

Drilling it doesn't mean much when it just gets sold to the highest bidder.
Did you mean to say the time for nationalizing our own oil is more important than ever?
Or are you just spouting economically illiterate right-wing nonsense...

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-06-13 04:55 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

More proof, IMHO, that to truly win a war, you must be willing to kill anything and everything that gets in the way of your objectives.
#21 | Posted by apparatchik

What "objectives" do you think we went to war for?
I think you have to know that before you can know if you've won...

#24 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-06-13 04:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

#21, spoken like a true jihadi.

#20, #cluelessoldinterventionist /obligatory.

#25 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-06-13 04:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

#25

Spoken like a kid still without an answer.

#26 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-13 05:00 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

#21, spoken like a true jihadi

WTF does that even mean?

#27 | Posted by apparatchik at 2014-06-13 05:00 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

#27, it means that the average iraqi jihadi thinks the same way you do.

#28 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-06-13 05:01 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

#26 my answers soar over your head like an f-22.

too stealthy for your addled, cold war brain...

#29 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-06-13 05:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

What "objectives" do you think we went to war for?
I think you have to know that before you can know if you've won...

That's a good question. I have no idea why we went to Iraq. It was a huge mistake. But to pussyfoot around on the battlefield does not bring any sort of victory. If our vision was a democratic Iraq emerging from the rubble of a 40+ year dictatorship, then you IMPOSE it, not guide them to it.

My statement did not speak to my views on the Iraq war, but on warfare in general.

#30 | Posted by apparatchik at 2014-06-13 05:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

the vicious circle of endless interventionism.

hey obama, why not send iran weapons to fight the sunni jihadis?

lol...

#31 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-06-13 05:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

#30 foolishly comparing iraq to wwii-era germany.

#33 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-06-13 05:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

-my answers soar over your head

What answers? You have none.

I said, "no one in the international community wants a real jihadist state in the ME.""

You seemed to disagree, but then demurred in naming one.

What, is Justin Beiber on TV distracting you?

#35 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-13 05:07 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

#27, it means that the average iraqi jihadi thinks the same way you do.

I also can't help but point out the irony, that if they share my view and are now on the cusp of taking the country... I'll assume you're intelligent enough to finish that thought.

#36 | Posted by apparatchik at 2014-06-13 05:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

- I'll assume you're intelligent enough to finish that thought.

Optimist.

#37 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-13 05:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

no. it means it is the same worldview as the jihadi.

So, you have a thing for saying things without having any particular point in mind?

There's a name for that:

Bloviating

#38 | Posted by apparatchik at 2014-06-13 05:09 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

if america wants to fight a total war, so be it. but they'll have more in common with the nazi-era germans than the wwii era americans...

and start gassing them domestic muslims as well, lol...

#39 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-06-13 05:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

- I'll assume you're intelligent enough to finish that thought.
Optimist.

Always!

#40 | Posted by apparatchik at 2014-06-13 05:10 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

#38. spare me, jihadi.

#41 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-06-13 05:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

"and are now on the cusp of taking the country" lol. riiight. like the americans were on the cusp of mission accomplished back in 2004.

#nerfschoolingdorks

#42 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-06-13 05:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

#40

lol, you optimistic old jahadi, you.

#43 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-13 05:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

#38. spare me, jihadi.

I accept your surrender.

#44 | Posted by apparatchik at 2014-06-13 05:12 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

#44,

then hang up your "mission accomplished" banner, jihadi, lol...

#45 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-06-13 05:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I have no idea why we went to Iraq."

of course you don't. and ten years later you still don't have a clue about anything else.

#46 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-06-13 05:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

lol, looks like i managed to make a love match.

#47 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-06-13 05:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

#44

You can't be liberal enough for these kids today. They know everything!

And if they don't, they can ask Justin or Miley.

#48 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-13 05:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

#48

beating that same old worn drum, i see...

#GiveWeaponsToSyrianRebelsInOr derToTakeThemBackWhenTheyReach
Iraq

boom-boom-boom

#49 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-06-13 05:19 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

That's a good question. I have no idea why we went to Iraq. It was a huge mistake. But to pussyfoot around on the battlefield does not bring any sort of victory.
#30 | Posted by apparatchik

But we didn't pussyfoot around on the battlefield. I can't think of a battle we lost.

What we did was, after eliminating Iraq's military capacity, we eliminated the Ba'ath party. The result was all the experienced, competent civil servants -- who were essentially required to be Ba'ath party members by Saddam Hussein -- were shut out of rebuilding their own country. We won the war, then hobbled the country's ability to function.

#50 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-06-13 05:22 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

That's a good question. I have no idea why we went to Iraq. It was a huge mistake. But to pussyfoot around on the battlefield does not bring any sort of victory. If our vision was a democratic Iraq emerging from the rubble of a 40+ year dictatorship, then you IMPOSE it, not guide them to it.

My statement did not speak to my views on the Iraq war, but on warfare in general.

#30 | Posted by apparatchik at 2014-06-13 05:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

www.msnbc.com

#51 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-06-13 05:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

#49

ISIS was vetted out of receiving arms... as John McCain was informed after he posed with them.

Guess you aren't as knowledgeable as you think... not that that would even be possible.

#52 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-13 05:27 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

"We're not going to allow ourselves to be dragged back into a situation in which, while we're there we're keeping a lid on things, and after enormous sacrifices by us, after we're not there, people start acting in ways that are not conducive to the long-term stability and prosperity of the country,""

"keeping a lid on things", lol!!!!

more like opening up the pressure cooker while it is whistling and spitting out steam.

"enormous sacrifices"

america hasn't sacrificed nearly enough for what it says it truly wants.

"people start acting in ways that are not conducive to the long-term stability and prosperity of the country"

what country does barack mean? iraq or america? or maybe iran? lol. it's tough to impose the will on people who would rather blow themselves up than have another's will imposed on them.

meanwhile, idiots equate the religious ideologies of current enemies to those superficial political ideologies of a bygone era.

get some, barry. get some.

#53 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-06-13 05:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

"ISIS was vetted out of receiving arms"

yeah, and israel was never intended to get american nuclear know-how. funny how those things "just" happen

#corkgetsschooledagain

#54 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-06-13 05:30 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

#54

hmmm... "Give weapons" now is "got them unintentionally".

You really aren't very good at this, are you?

#55 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-13 05:32 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

#55, lol. funny how a child like me predicted that back when they were given, but an old liberal toad like yourself couldn't have.

/schoolsout.

#56 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-06-13 05:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

#56

Funny how on this thread you still don't have an answer.

-predicted that back when they were given

Given or gotten unintentionally? Make up you mind, Miley.

#57 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-13 05:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

your mind... hey, but I'm assuming optimistically again.

#58 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-13 05:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

"unintentionally"-- the mating call of the short-sighted and clueless interventionist

#59 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-06-13 05:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

You don't know that they have any US arms at all.... you are just making this up as you go along.

And you still haven't told me which of the international community wants a jihadist state in the ME as you claim.

#60 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-13 05:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

Of course, short-sighted and clueless isolationists are even more common.

#61 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-13 05:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

I don't think anybody, at least not anybody honest, disagrees when Obama states the obvious. Namely that we cannot and should not be in the position of having to police Iraq.

It is an entirely separate issue that GWB created this -----------, making the US largely to blame for the situation. But that does not change the fact it is neither our job nor responsibility to endlessly occupy Iraq, - even for their benefit.

#62 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-06-13 05:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

#corkgetsschooledagain

#54 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-06-13 05:30 PM | Reply |

How many years before you move him out of first grade?

#63 | Posted by matsop at 2014-06-13 05:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

I don't think anybody, at least not anybody honest, disagrees when Obama states the obvious. Namely that we cannot and should not be in the position of having to police Iraq.

#62 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-06-13 05:51 PM | Reply

I wouldn't expect anything different from the President of leading from behind.

#64 | Posted by matsop at 2014-06-13 05:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

But we didn't pussyfoot around on the battlefield. I can't think of a battle we lost.
What we did was, after eliminating Iraq's military capacity, we eliminated the Ba'ath party. The result was all the experienced, competent civil servants -- who were essentially required to be Ba'ath party members by Saddam Hussein -- were shut out of rebuilding their own country. We won the war, then hobbled the country's ability to function.

When I say pussyfooting, I'm not saying we lost battles. Our operations were planned and executed quite well. Good point on how we handled the existing government apparatus though. Boneheaded move, to say the least.

#65 | Posted by apparatchik at 2014-06-13 06:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

"So you'd be okay if Obama told the American public that he couldn't comment on the situation."

Once he learns of the situation on CNN you mean?

#66 | Posted by sames1 at 2014-06-13 06:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

I am compelled to believe military intelligence agencies knew about the ISIS threat and warned POTUS, but "surprise, surprise, surprise" he can't make a decision.

Never the less, we should not intervene, time for the Iraqis to sink or swim, they must want and indeed die for liberty, it can not be handed to them on a golden American platter.

but, as someone already pointed out, I am sure drones will be used soon.

#67 | Posted by danv at 2014-06-14 06:18 AM | Reply | Flag:

DANV

"I am sure drones will be used soon."

Very doubtful. Without TRUSTWORTHY intelligence, there's no target and Maliki certainly isn't anyone the U.S. can trust. There's too much risk involved for drones to be of any use.

Also, Obama has set some very strict conditions that have to be met before the U.S. does anything at all. Does anyone believe that Maliki is going to agree to welcome the Sunni into his political fold.

These wackos are fighting over which religion is going to rule the country. I think the U.S. should cut it's losses and stay out of it. Maybe the Sunni will turn our billion dollar embassy complex into the world's most expensive mosque. That's the price we might have to pay for Rumsfeld's "great Iraqi adventure" and Cheney's unquenchable thirst for Iraqi's oil. (for which he's still beating the drums).

There is no way to salvage our loss in Iraq without another full scale, bloody Iraqi War. Statewide, that would be political suicide.

#68 | Posted by Twinpac at 2014-06-14 07:07 AM | Reply | Flag:

Re #68 - At least we agree, no more American involvement. I feel horrible for ever supporting the war in the first place. I hope drones are not used, and you put forth valid reasons why they may not, but the reason I suggested drones might be used is...........well I am a conspiracy theorist need more be said?

#69 | Posted by danv at 2014-06-14 07:23 AM | Reply | Flag:

There is no way to salvage our loss in Iraq without another full scale, bloody Iraqi War.

#68 | Posted by Twinpac at 2014-06-

The troops lost nothing. George W. Bush is the loser.

#70 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-14 07:50 AM | Reply | Flag:

Obama will do his usual waffling technique. It'll take him years to make a decision----better late then never. Remember when his lemmings used to say how he is thoughtful which is another word for "indecisive" which comes from a muddled unorganized mind. He will respond with ultimately the airforce and drones----this then will give the image and appearance of some decision making although it will be ineffective in the longer scheme of things. Individuals keep forgetting the real reason why Obama responds the way he currently is to global events---behind the moves is the simple fact of always "follow the money". the simple fact is there isn't much money to follow any longer. Our debt and deficit situation places us in the unenviable position of decision impotence. The list of responses have lessened. That is why the policy of no "boots on the ground" has not been born out of noble thought patterns but out of the realization of the insolvency of the U.S.

#71 | Posted by matsop at 2014-06-14 07:50 AM | Reply | Flag:

I feel horrible for ever supporting the war in the first place.

#69 | Posted by danv at 2014-06-14 07:23 AMFlag: (Choose)
FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusiv
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Its going to make an interesting study some time in the future to find out why people like you did.

I'm glad to feel horrible. Maybe you'll learn.

#72 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-14 07:51 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

I think the U.S. should cut it's losses and stay out of it.

#68 | Posted by Twinpac at 2014-06-14 07:07 AMFlag: (Choose)
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I see a lot of value in just letting it burn and sort itself out. I'm not sure that's "losing" at all. I think that's realism.

A lot of losers coming out of the woodwork to carp about America losing. You guys are crazy. Furthermore, out of all of you residual warhawks, only BOAZ is the one willing to talk the talk and wlak the walk.

The rest of you aren't leaving your living rooms. You want to see some more young men die.

#73 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-14 07:55 AM | Reply | Flag:

Iraqis never wanted us there. We destroyed their nation. Crippled their civilization. Put loyal puppets to run the government and we wonder why they aren't singing our praises.

We should have never gone to Afghanistan. We accomplished nothing by going there. We should never have gone to Iraq. We accomplished nothing by going there. We should of held our government responsible for the failures of 9/11. We lost all integrity by allowing the elites to herd the masses into their agenda.

American troops shouldn't be in any other country than America.

American tax payer money should never be given to other countries.

Americans have become fat sheep.

And the elites have learned how to use the media to control them without the slightest effort.

#74 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-06-14 08:02 AM | Reply | Flag:

The troops lost nothing. George W. Bush is the loser.

#70 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2014-06-14 07:50 AM | FLAG:

How do you figure?

BushJr got rich off those wars. Not to mention his amazing pension.

The United Stated of America has turned into the USSR, not even able to defeat some Afghani dirt farmers. Our economy is dwindling, the separation between the classes is ever growing, and we're seen as a joke.

#75 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-06-14 08:08 AM | Reply | Flag:

#75 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014

Well, I can't argue that numerous already rich people got further rich off of the two wars. And I won't argue that their sons, almost none of whom fought in any of those wars, will run for political office and in some cases (unfortunately) win.

#76 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-14 08:12 AM | Reply | Flag:

ZED

By cutting our losses I meant financial losses. Sorry, I should have made that clear. There are so many other factors ~ Syria, Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc. I would not want to be in Obama's shoes when it comes to this decision.

That said, and with so many other counties with a lot at stake in the outcome of Iraq's religious civil war, I'm curious as to why it's ONLY the U.S. that's being asked to intervene. That may or may not be the case, but Maliki seems to think that the U.S. is his best bet to survive. Personally, I think that ship has already sailed.

I would never for a moment think I can second guess Obama's advisers or that I can possibly comprehend the consequences of action vs inaction concerning Syria, Iran and Saudi Arabia ~ but I do hope he decides he sits this one out and let the chips fall where they may.

As I said above, there are also political and financial consequences here at home to consider and I don't believe America is up to another Iraq War, regardless of what the harpy warmongers are saying.

#77 | Posted by Twinpac at 2014-06-14 08:24 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Waaaaaah!!! Obama's not cleaning up the mess we made.
The Right

#78 | Posted by squinch at 2014-06-14 08:33 AM | Reply | Flag:

Speaking of financial, George Bush ran his Iraq War off the books and on the cuff. Obama does not have that luxury.

I have to wonder how our Republican controlled House of Representatives would feel about raising the debt limit to finance another war ~ or would they refuse just to make sure that Obama takes a beating when America runs out of money to support the intervention, IF he decides to go that direction.

I trust those slimy devils less than I trust Maliki.

#79 | Posted by Twinpac at 2014-06-14 08:36 AM | Reply | Flag:

There is an "out" that I hope Obama is considering. And that is to lead from behind (like he did in Libya) and let other concerned countries do the grunt work. The U.S. is not the only country with a standing army and sophisticated equipment.

This whole Iraqi thing angers me. As an American I'm getting tired of everybody passing the buck to us.

#80 | Posted by Twinpac at 2014-06-14 08:48 AM | Reply | Flag:

American tax payer money should never be given to other countries.

Americans have become fat sheep.

And the elites have learned how to use the media to control them without the slightest effort.

#74 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-06-14 08:02 AM | Reply |

Sorry, Clown; American taxpayer money is never "given" to other countries. There are ALWAYS "strings attached". It's used to accomplish certain goals, many of them nefarious.

The Americans that have become "fat sheep" are about to be "shorn". The clippers are being sharpened. The produced obesity was begun many years ago by multiple congresses and presidents (sorry, but not isolated to one party as many of you partisans would prefer). It's just that partisanship that has and will insure the diet.

You are correct about the elites controlling the American people. You understand that they're the ones that put the Clintons, Bushes, and Obamas in power, don't you. And they also crucify the ones that would really change things and many of you sheep go right along with them in pounding in the nails of those that really could make a difference. So then, you're also sheep but not necessarily fat ones.

#81 | Posted by matsop at 2014-06-14 08:49 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

MATSOP

Well, there is that little $10 Billion blackmail scheme that Pakistan is pulling. The "strings attached" doesn't mean a damn thing to them.

#82 | Posted by Twinpac at 2014-06-14 08:56 AM | Reply | Flag:

The United Stated of America has turned into the USSR, not even able to defeat some Afghani dirt farmers.

#75 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014

It took more than fifty years to defeat the Comanche, and there were no more than 40,000 of them.

The essential problem was that they lived where they lived and we didn't. We had to decide to take their land, not to mention their subsistence, and kill 90% of them before they'd stop.

We were never willing to do that. So a war lasting beyond the collapse of the Afghan government was always a bit crazy.

George W. Bush again. So ignorant you almost have affection for him.

#83 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-14 09:04 AM | Reply | Flag:

Sorry, Clown; American taxpayer money is never "given" to other countries. There are ALWAYS "strings attached". It's used to accomplish certain goals, many of them nefarious.

Again. I don't want American taxpayer money given to other countries.

Nefarious strings attached or not.

#84 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-06-14 10:43 AM | Reply | Flag:

"So then, you're also sheep but not necessarily fat ones."

One of the recent Gallup polls has 65% believing Barackus can't govern the country and 38% saying he can. What we are seeing now is his base of one-third of the country representing the REALLY hard core sheep still defending him. It would be remarkably amusing if it wasn't so tragic.

#85 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-06-14 02:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

For once obama speaks the truth as if his administration are incapable of securing out boarders they surly are incapable of securing others'. Note, I am not saying that our military is incapable of it, just under this administration.

#86 | Posted by MSgt at 2014-06-14 05:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

#85

1/3 is only accurate if you're counting democratic sheep.

Which a GOTP sheep would do.

Conveniently forgetting his own herd.

#87 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-06-14 05:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

"One of the delegates, Nabil Shaath, who was Palestinian foreign minister at the time, said: "President Bush said to all of us: 'I am driven with a mission from God'. God would tell me, 'George go and fight these terrorists in Afghanistan'. And I did. And then God would tell me 'George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq'. And I did."

Mr Bush went on: "And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, 'Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East'. And, by God, I'm gonna do it."

How did anyone expect that the invasion which was the idea of a crazy man, would turn out well? I didn't, it is ending exactly as I predicted. Just like Vietnam.
They will try to blame it on Obama but that would be like blaming Vietnam on Jerry Ford.

#88 | Posted by danni at 2014-06-14 06:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

'I am driven with a mission from God'. God would tell me, 'George go and fight these terrorists in Afghanistan'. And I did. And then God would tell me 'George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq'. And I did."

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I remember this. Yes, George W. Bush was crazy, but not in a disorganized way. Too bad for us.

I've seen more than one person bat around the word "narcissist" here in relation to Obama. George W. Bush gives you the model to what narcissism is all about.

I've met a lot of people who have told me they have a calling from God. Usually God tells them to go build houses for other people, or something like. Not infrequently, the Call distracts them from purely selfish things they previously wanted to do.

None of them go around bragging that God gave them a special mission, especially not before large groups of people.

Also, God's Calling seems to stay with them for all of their lives. It doesn't begin and end with them occupying political office. Strangely, I've also seen none of them go into plush retirement, as if (for George W. Bush) that is also the will of God.

Most of them live and die poor. Especially from George W. Bush's point of view.

#89 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-15 09:54 AM | Reply | Flag:

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