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Thursday, June 12, 2014

Republicans and Democrats are more divided along ideological lines -- and partisan antipathy is deeper and more extensive -- than at any point in the last two decades. These trends manifest themselves in myriad ways, both in politics and in everyday life. A new survey of 10,000 adults nationwide finds that these divisions are greatest among those who are the most engaged and active in the political process. Today, 92% of Republicans are to the right of the median Democrat, and 94% of Democrats are to the left of the median Republican.

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"Among all Democrats, 27% say the GOP is a threat to the well-being of the country. That figure is even higher among Republicans, 36% of whom think Democratic policies threaten the nation."

"Today, almost four-in-ten (38%) politically engaged Democrats are consistent liberals, up from just 8% in 1994."

#1 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-06-12 08:44 AM | Reply | Flag:

With the almost total control of talk radio, ownership of so many newspapers, TV networks, etc. the right has pulled their consumers of news far to the right, way beyond where even Ronald Reagan was in the 1980s. The left, by and large, is still right where it has been for a long time but the distance between us and the right grows as the right becomes more and more extreme. Just this week, Eric Cantor lost his seat in Congress due to a primary challenge from a man who teaches Ayn Rand economic theories. That is looney tune stuff but righties are eating it up and they will harm this country if given any more power than they already have.

#2 | Posted by danni at 2014-06-12 09:02 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 4

Chalk the results of that survey up to "Duh!"

#3 | Posted by 726 at 2014-06-12 09:12 AM | Reply | Flag:

#2 You did read the part where Democrats have pulled even further left, correct? You fail to see the leftward shift in the Democratic party because you're inside it. It's the Theory of Political Relativity.

The RIGHT owns "so many newspapers, TV networkds, etc"? What kind of ganja did you get into this morning? Fox and the WSJ? Do you really need me to counter with the countless iterations of CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC and the truckload of "leading newspapers" with distinctly left-leaning coverage? I am stunned every time a lefty trots out a claim that the right owns the media.

#4 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-06-12 10:31 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

I have been told by me elders, the only way for people that want to continue to spend, leave borders wide open, and government take over industries, to really see what is happening, is the collapse of the system.

If there is a "rightwing" policy that is destroying the country, more than any of those above, I don't know what it is. Perhaps our left honorable gentlemen can enlighten us.

I submit that is what you are starting to see the cracks of.

The Border invasion, Iraq, the move away from the dollar because of our inability to keep our dominance.

The proverbial chickens are beginning to come home to roost.

#5 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-06-12 10:57 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

I have never thought less of Republican political leaders and their water carriers in the media than I do today. I miss the days of Reagan and Bush 41, honestly. They would cross the aisle when it was necessary and did not hold the country hostage on things like the debt ceiling just to placate their base. They governed like grown-ups.

There's so much crap coming from the right these days that it's hard to wade through it to find the ideas from that side that are worth considering. Put enough Ted Cruz types in Congress and we really will default on the debt ceiling, throwing our economy and the world economy into chaos. It's all theater to them.

#6 | Posted by rcade at 2014-06-12 11:27 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

You fail to see the leftward shift in the Democratic party because you're inside it.

The Democrats are more left than they were in the '90s but less left than they were in the '60s and '70s. The only people who don't recognize that Obama is a center-left moderate are hardcore right wingers. Look at how many policies of Bush he continued! Even Obamacare is such a centrist idea that it was devised by the Heritage Foundation and implemented by Mitt Romney prior to its passage as a federal law.

Hillary Clinton is a center-left moderate too, and she's by far the most likely Democratic presidential nominee in 2016.

#7 | Posted by rcade at 2014-06-12 11:30 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

They governed like grown-ups.
There's so much crap coming from the right these days that it's hard to wade through it to find the ideas from that side that are worth considering. Put enough Ted Cruz types in Congress and we really will default on the debt ceiling, throwing our economy and the world economy into chaos. It's all theater to them.

You can add the Obama administration, their enabling media and the current crop of leadership of the Dem party in general to that.

#8 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-06-12 11:38 AM | Reply | Flag:

"They would cross the aisle when it was necessary"

This current batch of Republicans hasn't forgotten the way the Democrats handled the creation of passage of Obamacare. They were snubbed for 2 years, and elephants have long memories.

"There's so much crap coming from the right these days that it's hard to wade through it to find the ideas from that side that are worth considering."

Like effectively opening the border to Mexico, using the IRS and DOJ as your political goon squad, arresting reporters and spying on pretty much every breathing human on the planet? That kind of crap?

#9 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-06-12 12:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

arresting reporters and spying on pretty much every breathing human on the planet? That kind of crap?
#9 | POSTED BY MUSTANG AT 2014-06-12 12:06 PM | FLAG:

Very right wing behavior there. Just more of Obama continuing and expanding on Bush policies. In fact, for someone like me, for whom Norwegian/Swedish style socialism and investment in society are the ideal, Bush, Obama, and most of our current crop of politicians are all indistinguishable and far to the right. They are all deeply in the pocket of Wall Street, large corporations, and lobbyists. Pro-war, to the extent that Obama was attacked for making cuts to the military by the right wing - when all the sequester and such cut was the further growth of the military.

Yes, I'm fully aware that makes me part of the polarization. But no politicians and even most democrats are far to the right of the rare few like myself - by which I'm trying to show, the country has become polarized not by the gap between left and right, but the gap between the center and the ever further out right.

#10 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2014-06-12 01:45 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

The RIGHT owns "so many newspapers, TV networkds, etc"? What kind of ganja did you get into this morning? Fox and the WSJ? Do you really need me to counter with the countless iterations of CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC and the truckload of "leading newspapers" with distinctly left-leaning coverage? I am stunned every time a lefty trots out a claim that the right owns the media.

#4 | Posted by MUSTANG

Even your examples of left networks are not that liberal. The REAL left is totally unrepresented in mainstream well-funded media, because the real left sees corporate power as a problem. Therefore no corporations are going to support real leftist media.

On the contrary, extreme right media is OVER represented because it is in corporations own financial interests to push extreme right policies.

The right may not OWN the media, but all large media sources are corporate controlled, which means they are NOT representing the interests of the left.

#11 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-06-12 04:43 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 5

There is something disturbing about the Republican response to just about everything President Obama does. It has a knee-jerk yet patterned nature. It displays a meanness that is acted out with lotsa gloating. Take for instance Republican Representative Joe Wilson shouting "You Lie!" during Obama's speech to Congress on health care. Wilson's anger was displayed with the malicious satisfaction of a nasty child. Subsequently, Republican politicians have called President Obama a "tar baby," a socialist, lazy, Hitler, and perhaps most tellingly, un-American. None of these epithets are accurate, yet they seem to be believed by the persons who said them and many others among the Republican base.

The last few days have made clearer than ever that there is no action the Obama administration can take, not even the release of a possibly troubled American soldier from captivity, that cannot be used for political purposes by his opponents. Of course the Democrats are political opportunists as well, but they do not operate in such a persistently mean-spirited manner.

No doubt there are Republicans who are both racist and politically unprincipled in their attitudes to President Obama. There is something else going on, a suffocatingly narrow defining of the nation, an intolerance and disdain of everything outside of that definition, and a belligerence toward those who disagree. What some Republicans are doing is declaring President Obama not only politically wrong but someone who is an impeachable traitor.

Republicans who largely define themselves by what they don't like: minorities, abortion, big government and the lack of religion in politics. They really feel personally threatened by him and see him undermining their way of life. They approach those who represent these aspects of public life with fear and loathing. Republicans who meet this description make up about 20% of eligible voters in the U.S.

Obama's response reflects the liberal take on politics and social decorum. Reason and compromise are supposed to be the guiding lights of domestic public life. While this might have been possible in the days before Richard Nixon led the Republican Party it is not so today.

Republicans are wrong in a demented ideological fashion. As such they really are more repugnant than the Democrats. (Lawrence Davidson)

#12 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-06-12 04:47 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

"But, but... the Parties are the same, you obfuscating black shirt fasciatis!"

#12 |

Good article. Citations still necessary.

#13 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-12 04:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Of course the Democrats are political opportunists as well, but they do not operate in such a persistently mean-spirited manner"

www.telegraph.co.uk

#14 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-12 04:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

I miss the days of Reagan and Bush 41, honestly. They would cross the aisle when it was necessary and did not hold the country hostage on things like the debt ceiling just to placate their base.

#6 | Posted by rcade at 2014-06-12 11:27 AM | Reply |

At least they knew where the aisle was----your buddy zero can't even find it. Other then that, I don't believe for a moment your attempt to sound like you thought that highly of Reagan/Bush's collegiality.

#15 | Posted by matsop at 2014-06-12 04:59 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"Partisan animosity has increased substantially over the same period. In each party, the share with a highly negative view of the opposing party has more than doubled since 1994"

"I have never thought less of Republican political leaders and their water carriers in the media than I do today."

yep...lots and lots of animosity....but the folks harboring it don't realize it, obviously. They all think it's "the other guy" who is hateful and divisive.

look in the mirror for a change.

#16 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-12 04:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

but all large media sources are corporate controlled, which means they are NOT representing the interests of the left.

I don't agree. The left wing media is certainly in agreement with the left, so I don't understand your analogy. There are only two choices for right leaning people, that's Fox and Satellite radio. I know because I have looked. I cant stand to listen to ABC, CNN, MSNBC or any of the others, they are just too left. Fox and radio just sound correct to me.

#17 | Posted by boaz at 2014-06-12 05:14 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

"There are only two choices for right leaning people"

let me guess-- a pair of crutches or a wheelchair...

#18 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-06-12 05:20 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

I don't agree. The left wing media is certainly in agreement with the left, so I don't understand your analogy. There are only two choices for right leaning people, that's Fox and Satellite radio. I know because I have looked. I cant stand to listen to ABC, CNN, MSNBC or any of the others, they are just too left. Fox and radio just sound correct to me.

#17 | Posted by boaz

Really? You hear corporate owned left-wing media calling for public election funding? Decrying corporate personhood and money as speech? Calling for redefining the 2nd ammendment to apply only to MILITIAS? Treating OWS as a serious movement? Demanding that the cost of goods should include the environmental damage caused by their manufacturing and disposal? Demanding justice against wall street and corporate wrongdoing?

Those are actual LEFTIST policies. No corporate controlled media source even mentions those things.

Meanwhile the only new source that appeals to you is the one that went to court to win the right to lie to its viewers.

#19 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-06-12 05:48 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 5

I have been told by me elders, the only way for people that want to continue to spend, leave borders wide open, and government take over industries, to really see what is happening, is the collapse of the system.
#5 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

Trite little sayings are so cute. I've also heard, "An apple a day keeps the doctor away." Although I think I'd still rely on modern medicine.

But if you are simple enough that slogans are sufficiently deep political and economic analysis, good for you.

#20 | Posted by Sycophant at 2014-06-12 05:59 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 2

Fox and radio just sound correct to me.
#17 | Posted by boaz

And I think we've found your problem.

#21 | Posted by Sycophant at 2014-06-12 05:59 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

I have never thought less of Republican political leaders and their water carriers in the media than I do today. I miss the days of Reagan and Bush 41, honestly. They would cross the aisle when it was necessary and did not hold the country hostage on things like the debt ceiling just to placate their base. They governed like grown-ups.

There's so much crap coming from the right these days that it's hard to wade through it to find the ideas from that side that are worth considering. Put enough Ted Cruz types in Congress and we really will default on the debt ceiling, throwing our economy and the world economy into chaos. It's all theater to them.

#6 | Posted by rcade at 2014-06-12 11:27 AM | Reply | Flag:

LMAO
That's rich.
How do you explain Barack Obama's vote against raising the debt ceiling when he was a Senator? Was he right or was it just theater?

#22 | Posted by Huguenot at 2014-06-12 06:01 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"Of course the Democrats are political opportunists as well, but they do not operate in such a persistently mean-spirited manner"
www.telegraph.co.uk
#14 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Blaming birtherism on Hillary Clinton. Nice deflection. Anyone remember Clinton running it as a campaign slogan or hyping it up? Didn't think so.

#23 | Posted by Sycophant at 2014-06-12 06:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

WHAT ??? oh no..

not here....

lol

again,...what a lot of this is...we on the right not sitting back and not answering the attacks, the insults and mainly the lies from the left. We don't just sit in the back and let OBAMA do things...AS HE SAID HE WANTED US TO DO....

and instead of actually saying it, let's just say that what this shows is there are a lot of conservative Howard Beals out there...

#24 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-06-12 06:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

Blaming birtherism on Hillary Clinton. Nice deflection. Anyone remember Clinton running it as a campaign slogan or hyping it up? Didn't think so.

#23 | Posted by Sycophant at 2014-0

really? that just slipped your mind, or what ?

#25 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-06-12 06:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

let's go to that 'EXTREMIST' site..politico.....

www.politico.com

Then, as Obama marched toward the presidency, a new suggestion emerged: That he was not eligible to serve. (See: Birther debate alive across U.S.)

That theory first emerged in the spring of 2008, as Clinton supporters circulated an anonymous email questioning Obama's citizenship.

"Barack Obama's mother was living in Kenya with his Arab-African father late in her pregnancy. She was not allowed to travel by plane then, so Barack Obama was born there and his mother then took him to Hawaii to register his birth," asserted one chain email that surfaced on the urban legend site Snopes.com in April 2008.

"AS CLINTON SUPPORTERS CIRCULATED>..."

#26 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-06-12 06:20 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

I don't recall any clinton supporters on this issue being called the names that conservatives were.

#27 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-06-12 06:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

I don't recall any clinton supporters on this issue being called the names that conservatives were.

#27 | Posted by afkabl2

I don't recall any Clinton haters calling Clinton the names they've called Obama.

See how that works?

#28 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2014-06-12 06:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

THE BIG LOBOTOMY: How Republicans Made Congress Stupid

A quick refresher: In 1995, after winning a majority in the House for the first time in forty years, one of the first things the new Republican House leadership did was gut Congress's workforce. They cut the "professional staff" (the lawyers, economists, and investigators who work for committees rather than individual members) by a third. They reduced the "legislative support staff" (the auditors, analysts, and subject-matter experts at the Government Accountability Office [GAO], the Congressional Research Service [CRS], and so on) by a third, too, and killed off the Office of Technology Assessment (OTA) entirely. And they fundamentally dismantled the old committee structure, centralizing power in the House speaker's office and discouraging members and their staff from performing their own policy research.

Of course, all of this slashing and cutting has done nothing to actually help shrink the federal government. Real federal spending has increased 50 percent since 1995, in line with the growth of the U.S. population and economy.

Today, the GAO and the CRS, which serve both House and Senate, are each operating at about 80 percent of their 1979 capacity. While Senate committee staffs have rebounded somewhat under Democratic control, every single House standing committee had fewer staffers in 2009 than in 1994. Since 2011, with a Tea Party-radicalized GOP back in control of the House, Congress has cut its budget by a whopping 20 percent, a far higher ratio than any other federal agency, leading, predictably, to staff layoffs, hiring and salary freezes, and drooping morale. Instead of helping to shrink the government, the gutting of congressional expertise and institutional capacity -- what New America Foundation scholar and former congressional staffer Lorelei Kelly refers to as a "self-lobotomy" -- has had two other effects, both of which have advanced conservative power, if not necessarily conservative ideals.

The first effect is an outsourcing of policy development. Much of the research, number crunching, and legislative wordsmithing that used to be done by Capitol Hill staffers working for the government is now being done by outside experts, many of them former Hill staffers, working for lobbying firms, think tanks, consultancies, trade associations, and PR outfits. This has strengthened the already-powerful hand of corporate interests in shaping legislation, and given conservative groups an added measure of influence over Congress, as the shutdown itself illustrates.

The second effect of the brain drain is a significant decline in Congress's institutional ability to monitor and investigate a growing and ever-more-complex federal government. This decline has been going on quietly, behind the scenes, for so many years that hardly anyone even notices anymore. But like termites eating away at the joists, there's a danger of catastrophic collapse unless regular inspections are done.

www.washingtonmonthly.com


#29 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-06-12 07:09 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

When uber rightwing fanatic Eric Cantor isn't rightwing enough to win his district's GOP Party, then we know we have headed over the cliff.

Default will happen along with the attendant chaos if even a hardcore rightie like Cantor is being rebuffed for not 'holding the line'. America is screwed. And yes, it is the GOP's fault.

#30 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-06-12 07:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

You do realize that in fact Obama has lied over and over again and the bulk of the media has covered for him until recently with Obamacare promises. There is not even a doubt he knew that Americans couldn't keep their doctors or plans and that it wouldn't save $2500 a year on average..he said the IRS was a big deal then he spun it as a partisan scandal....same with Fast and Furious, NSA, Benghazi and every other illegal act. These are illegal whether left or right. I struggle mightily to figure how the left is representing the center of the country with more government, more programs, more immigration, more laws and regulations. None of those are the middle of the country. As a matter of fact they are far left. The middle wants government out of their lives except for protecting the country, caring for the infrastructure and regulating business within reason. The real problem is politicians on both sides are owned by special interests and big business and that goes doubly for Obama. Rich have gotten 23% richer under Obama...only part of the economy that is doing well is the stock market, haven of the rich. All the rest is a giant kabuki show meant to keep the country fighting amongst themselves and not watching those that should be representing us. Most happily snipe about the other side while our rights and freedoms not to mention our paychecks are stripped away...its sad.

#31 | Posted by DEconserv at 2014-06-12 07:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

Decon: Sounds to me like you are rather sheepishly sniping about Obama.

#32 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-06-12 07:46 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 2

#12. You know what you call unattributed cutting and pasting of someone else's work? Plagiarism. Of course, if you're cutting and pasting your own work, you're either lazy or stupid...or both.

www.tothepointanalyses.com

#33 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-06-12 08:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

#30. Or it wasn't about his political stance as much as it was about them feeling like he was no longer representing them and had instead become a party wonk first and a representative second.

#34 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-06-12 08:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

"How do you explain Barack Obama's vote against raising the debt ceiling when he was a Senator? Was he right or was it just theater?"

It was theater because he knew it would pass even if he voted against it, it was an expression of anger about us going into debt in order to stupidly invade IRaq. I do think that such symbolic gestures do have their place from time to time and that was one of them. Look at Iraq today and tell me he was wrong. We pissed away several trillion dollars, lost thousands of lives, cause hundreds of thousands or Iraqis to die or be seriously harmed and for what?

#35 | Posted by danni at 2014-06-12 08:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

Lol
Well if the commander-in-chief is prone to theater then there is no amount of cinisism unwarranted.

#36 | Posted by Huguenot at 2014-06-12 09:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

partisan antipathy is deeper and more extensive -- than at any point in the last two decades

----

I'd wager the internet has a large part in that.

#37 | Posted by Pirate at 2014-06-13 12:23 AM | Reply | Flag:

As for myself, I used to regard the repubs of having some valid concerns. After Barry Hussein's first election, though, I perceived the GOP as adopting a strategy of obstruction, not for any philosophical basis, but simply out of self-interest (they probably rightfully noticed that the Dems lost badly during W's two terms by acquiescing to Republican demands, no matter how apparently reasonable).

As of the moment I understood the GOP strategy, I ascribed each and every GOP position to objection for objection's sake. Consequently, in order to save valuable brain power for youtube kitten videos, I found it easier to adopt the opposite position taken by the GOP. It's quite a vicious circle, as the self-interested Dems will likely have to take an obstruction above all strategy if and when a Repub occupies the White House again (but the Dems are such wusses that they will probably cave in at the first sign of trouble).

#38 | Posted by censored at 2014-06-13 12:59 AM | Reply | Flag:

Except that if you actually did some reading and research, you wouldnt espouse such foolish thoughts. I've been reading those news sites and more. The MSM is distinctly more right than they were even a decade ago and it continues to fuel the right wing nuts who are determined to say that only they understand the constitution despite any actual facts. Please....

#39 | Posted by iamanole2 at 2014-06-13 08:43 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

We don't just sit in the back and let OBAMA do things

Your goofy side goes so far as to vote against their own bills just to snub Obama.

That is a special grade of crazy.

#40 | Posted by 726 at 2014-06-13 09:15 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 4

#39 They're further right than they were 10 years ago because GWB was in office 10 years ago...and they went further left into Obama-fawning in 2008. Since then, Obama has continued to disappoint and the shine has gone off the apple, so there has been some rightward drift. Ask yourself if they're further right now than they were under Bush 1..the answer is a resounding NO. Why? Because back then they were still JOURNALISTS.

#41 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-06-13 10:28 AM | Reply | Flag:

Obama has continued to disappoint and the shine has gone off the apple, so there has been some rightward drift.#41
| POSTED BY MUSTANG AT 2014-06-13 10:28 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

I always wonder if any of you righties realize how much of the "shine" is gone because the left wing realized we had been duped and Obama wasn't one of us.

#42 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2014-06-13 11:49 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"the left wing realized we had been duped and Obama wasn't one of us."

Here's some advice from someone who finds the parties to be unworthy of any expectations or loyalty from anybody....

stop doing that.

#43 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-13 11:51 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

I don't agree. The left wing media is certainly in agreement with the left, so I don't understand your analogy.

Boaz, I'm sorry, but you have such a distorted view of what constitutes the "left" that your opinion on this is next to worthless.

#44 | Posted by jpw at 2014-06-13 10:51 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

This current occupant of the White House and most of his staff have no credibility....it is not their way....that 'transparency' he so boldly campaigned on has only become a weapon for him against those who challenge his lack of truth... the left has lost their way in truth and honor...with Reid and Pelosi, the three have become a long-standing embarrassment and joke for this country...and, it is only beginning to get worse...

#45 | Posted by drsoul at 2014-06-14 06:45 AM | Reply | Flag:

The media increasingly polarizing Americans.

#46 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-06-14 07:08 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Polarization has no meaning any longer----America is in decline and it started a long time ago. The stupidity of previous policies along with this administration's lack of coherent substantive leadership but instead sophomoric uncontrolled leanings and illegalities has only hastened that demise. Over 50% of the population now feels the current denizen is untrustworthy and dishonest. One can no longer govern with the lack of confidence of the American people. Only the most extreme sycophants still brandish their reflexive illogical support of a POTUS out of control. The rest of America have drawn back into their self absorbed lives no longer paying attention to a malfunctioning Washington.

#47 | Posted by matsop at 2014-06-14 07:32 AM | Reply | Flag:

America is in decline and it started a long time ago.

#47 | Posted by matsop at 2014-06-14 07:32 AM | Reply

Yeah, sure. So welcome President Cruz. Or President Paul. See the problem?

#48 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-14 07:48 AM | Reply | Flag:

eah, sure. So welcome President Cruz. Or President Paul. See the problem?

#48 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-14 07:48 AM | Reply |

Try welcoming the next liar in chief; the neocon, wallstreeter, globalist Hillary Clinton. See the problem, dummkopf?

#49 | Posted by matsop at 2014-06-14 07:56 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Try welcoming the next liar in chief; the neocon, wallstreeter, globalist Hillary Clinton. See the problem, dummkopf?

#49 | Posted by matsop at 2014-06-14 07:56 AM

Ah, MATSOP wants the revolution. Something to watch on TV while the next season of the "Walking Dead" is shooting.

#50 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-14 08:01 AM | Reply | Flag:

The first Clinton was a somewhat above average president. George W. Bush was a failure, and we're still seeing his bad decisions work themselves out to this very moment.

Obama has always been a average president, with a chance to be above average because of the ACA. Yeah, I know you don't like to hear that, it doesn't play into your right-wing apocalyptic vision.

Hillary has every chance to be an at least average president.

The last great or nearly great president we had was Harry Truman. And you guys loathed him, right up until the moment Karl Rove decided to compare him favorably to George.

#51 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-14 08:06 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

The last great or nearly great president we had was Harry Truman. And you guys loathed him,

#51 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-14 08:06 AM | Reply |

Zed, you're a joke and simplistic. Like most, you label people by putting them into neat little jackets so it fits with your limited thought process.

First of all, Truman like every president had his weaknesses; but overall he was probably the best thing we've had in years because he thought for himself. Clinton was the luckiest POTUS since the power of the presidency gave him the chance for his war on women by preying on naive young women. He was also lucky through the assistance of the hi tech revolution. He along with Summers helped to set us up for the machinations of Wallstreet. The only thing keeping him in check from really doing other stupid things was a republican congress counterbalance. No; he was not an above average POTUS since he was not visonary and didn't realize the law of unintended consequences that resulted after the fact from his support of policy that set us up for the profligacies of the future wallstreet and investment banking financial products. No, he was a below average POTUS.

Obama was what you call an interim POTUS. He should never have been POTUS and we know why, don't we. He was moved from signing legislation he didn't understand to reading teleprompters and to going to dinners. He didn't know how to organize anything more then a community and has demoralized the citizens of this country as well as the globe. He is now an non-event except for the fact he's upped the ante on compromising the privacy and liberties of every citizen in this country. The lack of leadership is palpable and his signature legislation (which he didn't have a clue about) will be modified over time to resemble something it never was supposed to be. He is truly the "Protender in Chief".

Hillary (if president) will represent the same thought processes and forces that have contributed to the demise of the middle class since she was propagandized with the same education of Obama and Bush. There will be now "hopey and changey" with Hillary.

The revolution you refer to is already happening: the slow slide of America to the level of the rest of the world with its' leadership position waning and the standard of living of the majority of its' people dwindling. It will not be the revolution you envision but will be revolution of time.

#52 | Posted by matsop at 2014-06-14 08:34 AM | Reply | Flag:

It will not be the revolution you envision but will be revolution of time.

#52 | Posted by matsop at 2014-06-14 08

I think you're part of the problem, MATSOP. You're a wounded cynic, the most dangerous kind. You'll never do anything to help.

What I get from your post is that you mostly agree with my assessments. Its just you'd prefer to piss on them a bit first.

#53 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-14 09:10 AM | Reply | Flag:

At a time when Americans seem to be increasingly polarized on almost every conceivable issue, a recent study found one issue the vast majority can agree on: Our electronic privacy laws are out of date.

A poll released this week surveyed some of the most politically diverse areas in the country -- including Nevada, Arkansas, Georgia, New Hampshire, Virginia, and Southern California -- and found that over 84 percent of people supported an update to the Electronic Communications Privacy Act (ECPA), the federal law which protects email and other online communications from government snooping.

While ECPA was meant to put in place strong privacy protections when it was passed in 1986, the law has not kept pace with our advancing technologies and now contains a massive loophole that allows emails older than 180 days to be accessed by law enforcement without a warrant. In an age of cloud computing, this means law enforcement quite literally has access to an intimate repository of our lives -- including our mistakes -- stretching back years and years.

In a truly rare consensus, the poll found the demand for an update for ECPA was consistent regardless of gender, age, race, or party affiliation: For instance, in Virginia, where 87% of all voters support updating ECPA, is supported by 88% of men and 86% of women, 84% of those under 30 and 85% of those over 65, 85% of African-American voters, 87% of white voters, 84% of Democrats, 87% of Republicans and 90% of independents.

The ACLU working to make the country a better place for you.

#54 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-06-14 09:24 AM | Reply | Flag:

You're a wounded cynic, the most dangerous kind. You'll never do anything to help.

#53 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-14 09:10 AM | Reply |

Actually I'm not wounded and am very content but I'm a realist/cynic. You see; I've been around long enough to watch man's weakness and particularly their arrogance, hubris, and self absorption; not to mention their narcissism. Then there are the ones that are control freaks and want to control every one else's lives. Just look at our government and wallstreet and their performance. Are they fine upstanding institutions that don't continually breed corruption. Ask yourself, Zed; why are we in the situation we find ourselves today. Is is because those in power care about others before themselves and they do that with a basic humility and a self-sacrificial attitude. Is it because they'll not be corrupted by greed and power. So, you see, Zed; man is basically broken and it's always been that way. It's why there is so much strife and ugliness in the world----and that Zed, is why I'm a realist and can spot a fraud miles away. I'm not one to become enamored about a charismatic construction that can play with the emotions and unenlightenment of most naive "optimists".

#55 | Posted by matsop at 2014-06-14 01:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

"You're a wounded cynic, the most dangerous kind. You'll never do anything to help."

I'm a cynic too, Zed, but I'm doing a lot to help. To start, I've begun collecting baskets of red magic markers to send to Barackus Maximus because it's obvious he requires quite a few red lines for the new crises that are breaking out all over. I'm also HOPING his red marker foreign policy will CHANGE all the chaos since his bow and apologize foreign policy fizzled. I'll see if I can have any influence with Hillary also. Maybe she can do some more "resets."

#56 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-06-14 01:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

You're a wounded cynic, the most dangerous kind. You'll never do anything to help.

#53 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-14 09:10 AM |

Zed, after reading Jest's erudite post; I've decided to help. I'll pledge never to support and vote for someone unqualified for the highest office in the land or to vote for someone that over promises and under delivers. I also promise not to support someone that bald face lies to the American people, compromises their privacy, and uses government offices and personnel to single certain individuals and groups out to harass them. See, Zed, if you and others would follow my fine example, we could actually start to clean up the institutions that have undercut this great nation of ours----just think Zed; a nation of individuals holding those in power accountable for their actions---what a novel concept. I must be an optimist to believe that it could happen.

#57 | Posted by matsop at 2014-06-14 02:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'll pledge never to support and vote for someone unqualified for the highest office in the land or to vote for someone that over promises and under delivers. I also promise not to support someone that bald face lies to the American people, compromises their privacy, and uses government offices and personnel to single certain individuals and groups out to harass them.

#57 | Posted by matsop

So you're just going to give up voting? Awesome!

#58 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2014-06-14 02:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

56 | Posted by jestgettinalong

##57 | Posted by matsop at 2014

Well, MATSOP. I still see you're just thinking about leaving the DR in disgust. That's alright. Just take your time. We wouldn't want you not to be sure.

Sgt. Bergdhal needs to hide for a few years. Someone like you guys is thinking about killing him.

The Feds were right to de-escalate at the Bundy Ranch. Someone like you guys was thinking about killing them.

You're ignorant and vicious. Whomever you decide to support for president will share your traits.

#59 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-14 03:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

So you're just going to give up voting? Awesome!

#58 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2014-06-14 02:31 PM | Reply

No, actually, I'm considering running for the highest office in the land. Afterall, my qualifications are certainly higher then the current inhabitant. Let's see; what would be the issues I would run on. 1.Transparency 2. No Goldmine slacks or other investment banker as a member of my cabinet 3. Would focus on bringing collective free market principles back to the economic system that would focus on the needs of entrepreneurs, labor, small business along with capital focus 4.Select an AG that would uphold the law with the instruction that my administration is not above the law---any taint of corruption would be ferreted out promptly by the AG or an independent body from both parties with a subsequent full report to the American people. 5. Put in place sound money principles and denigrate the power of the Federal Reserve. 6.Compromise the power and influence of the NED and other NGOs to avoid the destabilization of democratically elected governments. 7.Lay out a long term budget package with a slow decrease in national debt and debt/GDP ratio. 8. No more fudging on numbers put out to the public 9. Limit our involvement in wars and involvement only based on verifiable facts with support of the congress and American people.

Well, there would be a few more objectives but SS, I guess I wouldn't run since the MSM would do a hatchet job on me and you and the rest of the gullibles would believe them and my career wouldn't get to first base. So I guess we're stuck with what we have which is quite pathetic.

#60 | Posted by matsop at 2014-06-14 03:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

Oh, SS, I would place poor Zed in the category of MSM believer. He seems to be quite confused at times.

#61 | Posted by matsop at 2014-06-14 03:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

#60 | POSTED BY MATSOP

I hear you, and agree with the list.

Media aside (which both sides would be salivating about), with the rest of congress and the Govt standing in the way, for which NONE of those points matter, do you realistically think you'd be able to accomplish anything if, on the gazzillion to one chance, you won?

I think at this stage it's too late. Stagnation as us balanced now with both sides hanging way over the precipice and neither side has solid ground under them. Any shift right or left will just dump everything. Both sides have to work their way back to the middle or it all comes falling down.

#62 | Posted by Lohocla at 2014-06-14 03:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

#62 | Posted by Lohocla at 2014-06-14 03:34 PM | Reply

Lohocla, I agree with you. The odds of getting out of this thing in one piece are now mathematically small----and I'm talking about our debt and other economic measurements. It would take a giant of a person and an electorate that finally wizens up and doesn't want to take it anymore. I'm afraid it's going to take some hard times before there's a washout and a new beginning.

The adherence to the old saying "honesty is the best policy" went away a long time ago and corruption rules supreme----the honest person is the whipping boy and the dishonest and game player is the winner. The game will break and then maybe out of the financial rubble will arise a healthier America.

You're also correct about a person winning that had principles. There would be so many institutions and pigs standing in his/her way that the only way he/she could be effective is to constantly go directly to the American people to educate them about what was going on behind the scenes----only the people's active involvement with their representatives would supply the support necessary to turn a large ship around like the U.S.

#63 | Posted by matsop at 2014-06-14 03:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

MATSOP for POTUS - run on those principles and I would vote for you

#64 | Posted by danv at 2014-06-14 04:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

I still can not help but think that the right / left paradigm is grand rouse designed to push an agenda by those that are truly in power. New World Order anyone?

#65 | Posted by danv at 2014-06-14 04:11 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

#63 | Posted by matsop

All joking aside Mats, I actually agree with most of that post.

#66 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2014-06-14 05:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

#65

Weird, I agree with that on too..

#67 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2014-06-14 05:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

I use to think that those that believed in one world government were a little too sensitive; however, the more I read and the more I learn leans me toward that possibility. That's probably why the bureaucratic power structure in Brussels will try their d______ to keep the EU in place. It'll be interesting to see if it eventually breaks up. The bankers would love a one world government where they could eventually control one government. You have to remember these type of people have no love in particular for America; America is a means to an end----control of the economy and the currency. They can live in their multimillion dollar homes very comfortably anywhere in the world. The more the number of sovereign countries there are, the less they have the chance to control the economies and their chance for credit expansion and indebtedness of the populations.

#68 | Posted by matsop at 2014-06-14 06:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

#63 | Posted by matsop

All joking aside Mats, I actually agree with most of that post.

#66 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2014-06-14 05:19 PM | Reply |

Thanks whatsleft; I had a weak moment and got a little serious. You might be surprised how much we agree on as regards the economy and some social issues. It angers me to see what has happened to this country and those that compromised it. One of the worse things we allowed to happen was TARP---it was a scam of magnitude proportions. We should have let those who put us in this position go under. Would there have been some pain for mainstreet at that point in time----yes, some; but not to the point that they sold hysterically to the people. By this time mainstreet would have recovered and other lending institutions would have arisen to take the place of the thieves. Our economy would have washed all the corruption out of it for a long time. Now, we're at even greater risk. The too big to fail banks/institutions have bow become the "too bigger to fail. Derivatives have increased even further and their balance sheets have not improved like it's being propagandized. Late payments on subprime loans in the auto industry are increasing and we haven't learned a thing.

#69 | Posted by matsop at 2014-06-14 06:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

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