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Wednesday, June 11, 2014

The IRS transmitted 21 disks containing over 1.1 million pages of "legally protected" information about tax-exempt groups to the FBI, the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee has learned, noting that the Obama IRS withheld it from the Committee for over a year.

"We were extremely troubled by this new information, and by the fact that the IRS has withheld it from the Committee for over a year," wrote Congressmen Darrell Issa and Jim Jordan to IRS Commissioner John Koskinen.

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We were astonished to learn days ago from the Justice Department that these 21 disks contained confidential taxpayer information protected by federal law. We ask that you immediately produce all material explaining how these disks were prepared and transmitted to the FBI," wrote Jordan and Issa.

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and the removal of freedoms and liberty continues now almost weekly.

#1 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-06-11 12:38 AM | Reply | Flag:

TPNN

No wonder you are so confused. That stuff will make your eyes bleed.

#2 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-11 12:41 AM | Reply | Flag:

#2 The source of the report is irrelevant, Corky, and you know it. At what point are you going to man up and admit that this administration is FILTHY when it comes to the IRS fiasco? Obama is the president Nixon wanted to be....

Politico: www.politico.com

WSJ: online.wsj.com

House Oversight Committee website: oversight.house.gov

"After the Justice Department turned over the database to the Oversight Committee this month in response to a subpoena, the Justice Department says it was informed by IRS officials that it contains legally protected taxpayer information that should not have ever been sent to the FBI and it now plans to return the full database to the IRS."

Remind me again what the Justice Department's job is? Oh, right...THE LAW.

#3 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-06-11 08:23 AM | Reply | Flag:

I suggest you read up on IRS disclosure policies outlined under the internal revenue code. The IRS is allowed to share data with third parties when conducting an investigation.

#4 | Posted by 726 at 2014-06-11 08:33 AM | Reply | Flag:

#4 Except when they aren't. The IRS has already acknowledged they sent taxpayer information to the FBI that should have been redacted and wasn't. That section also states the shared information must be part of a proceeding before a federal grand jury or in preparation for such a proceeding. Was there a federal grand jury in the works? Do you think the DOJ will ever answer that question?

#5 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-06-11 08:59 AM | Reply | Flag:

What section are you reading?

#6 | Posted by 726 at 2014-06-11 09:05 AM | Reply | Flag:

I'm not. Marc Owens did.

From the Politico link:

Marc Owens, who formerly ran the IRS tax-exempt division, said it's "not clear that there is an issue," pointing to sections of the tax code that set out procedures for sharing of protected taxpayer information with DOJ in any proceeding before a federal grand jury or preparation for any proceeding.

#7 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-06-11 10:00 AM | Reply | Flag:

Read IRC 6103.

www.irs.gov

#8 | Posted by 726 at 2014-06-11 11:13 AM | Reply | Flag:

Here you go...

www.law.cornell.edu(k)(6)-1

#9 | Posted by 726 at 2014-06-11 11:14 AM | Reply | Flag:

#9 Your link sucks. Try these:

§301.6103(h)(2)-1 Disclosure of returns and return information (including taxpayer return information) to and by officers and employees of the Department of Justice for use in Federal grand jury proceeding, or in preparation for proceeding or investigation, involving tax administration

www.ecfr.gov

§301.6103(i)-1 Disclosure of returns and return information (including taxpayer return information) to and by officers and employees of the Department of Justice or another Federal agency for use in Federal grand jury proceeding, or preparation for proceeding or investigation, involving enforcement of Federal criminal statute not involving tax administration.

www.ecfr.gov

While you're at it, read this one:

§301.6104(d)-3 Tax-exempt organization subject to harassment campaign.

www.ecfr.gov

#10 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-06-11 11:31 AM | Reply | Flag:

#2 The source of the report is irrelevant, Corky, and you know it. - Mustang

Not if your quiver is running on empty.

#11 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-06-11 01:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

I have to admit at least 726 is giving it a good try, can't fault a guy for that.

#12 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-06-11 01:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

lol, the spinees don't even know when they are being spun.

#13 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-11 01:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

I have to admit at least 726 is giving it a good try, can't fault a guy for that.

#12 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

Agreed.

#14 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-06-11 01:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

#12 He's giving it a decent effort, and I've been cordial as a result. Corky, on the other hand, has made two limp efforts at outright dismissal and should be ashamed of himself.

#15 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-06-11 01:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

Crap, don't know why the link did not work. Here is the text:

"§ 301.6103(k)(6)-1 Disclosure of return information by certain officers and employees for investigative purposes.
(a) General rule.
(1) Pursuant to the provisions of section 6103(k)(6) and subject to the conditions of this section, an internal revenue employee or an Office of Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration (TIGTA) employee, in connection with official duties relating to any examination, administrative appeal, collection activity, administrative, civil or criminal investigation, enforcement activity, ruling, negotiated agreement, prefiling activity, or other proceeding or offense under the internal revenue laws or related statutes, or in preparation for any proceeding described in section 6103(h)(2) (or investigation which may result in such a proceeding), may disclose return information, of any taxpayer, to the extent necessary to obtain information relating to such official duties or to accomplish properly any activity connected with such official duties, including, but not limited to --
(i) Establishing or verifying the correctness or completeness of any return or return information;
(ii) Determining the responsibility for filing a return, for making a return if none has been made, or for performing such acts as may be required by law concerning such matters;
(iii) Establishing or verifying the liability (or possible liability) of any person, or the liability (or possible liability) at law or in equity of any transferee or fiduciary of any person, for any tax, penalty, interest, fine, forfeiture, or other imposition or offense under the internal revenue laws or related statutes or the amount thereof for collection;
(iv) Establishing or verifying misconduct (or possible misconduct) or other activity proscribed by the internal revenue laws or related statutes;
(v) Obtaining the services of persons having special knowledge or technical skills (such as, but not limited to, knowledge of particular facts and circumstances relevant to a correct determination of a liability described in paragraph (a)(1)(iii) of this section or skills relating to handwriting analysis, photographic development, sound recording enhancement, or voice identification) or having recognized expertise in matters involving the valuation of property if relevant to proper performance of official duties described in this paragraph;
(vi) Establishing or verifying the financial status or condition and location of the taxpayer against whom collection activity is or may be directed, to locate assets in which the taxpayer has an interest, to ascertain the amount of any liability described in paragraph (a)(1)(iii) of this section for collection, or otherwise to apply the provisions of the Internal Revenue Code relating to establishment of liens against such assets, or levy, seizure, or sale on or of the assets to satisfy any such liability;
(vii) Preparing for any proceeding described in section 6103(h)(2) or conducting an investigation which may result in such a proceeding; or
(viii) Obtaining, verifying, or establishing information concerned with making determinations regarding a taxpayer's liability under the Internal Revenue Code, including, but not limited to, the administrative appeals process and any ruling, negotiated agreement, or prefiling process."

#16 | Posted by 726 at 2014-06-11 02:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

I don't like the IRS disclosure rules as it is written they can share anything with anyone for any reason, but I cannot contact them without a valid power of attorney.

They are supposed to discuss items on a return if you are the designated party on the return, but 90% of the time they still demand a power of attorney.

#17 | Posted by 726 at 2014-06-11 02:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

#16 I think that's a good high level statement. If you look at part (vii), you'll see the section that refers to preparing for a 6103(h)(2) proceeding, which is the one I linked to. Those proceedings are grand juries, and are the only legal reason to provide IRS data to the Department of Justice.

#18 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-06-11 03:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

This thread should be the Pied Piper for Et Al.

#19 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-06-11 03:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

including, but not limited to --

"may disclose return information, of any taxpayer, to the extent necessary to obtain information relating to such official duties or to accomplish properly any activity connected with such official duties, including, but not limited to --
(i) Establishing or verifying the correctness or completeness of any return or return information;
(ii) Determining the responsibility for filing a return, for making a return if none has been made, or for performing such acts as may be required by law concerning such matters;"

It appears that this section is intentionally vague to allow this type of crap to go on.

And 6103(h)(2) is not just limited to grand juries, it also covers all federal and state courts.

#20 | Posted by 726 at 2014-06-11 03:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

#20 That is true, but in this case it isn't known whether the Federal courts were pursuing charges, which is a stipulation. I fully expect that the DOJ will claim they can't reveal that information....and that they had that response pre-planned in the event this information got out.

#21 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-06-11 03:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

t isn't known whether the Federal courts were pursuing charges,

That is why it is written this way...

"Preparing for any proceeding described in section 6103(h)(2) or conducting an investigation which may result in such a proceeding; or"

That could be any investigation that may end up in federal or state court.

So in effect any investigation.

#22 | Posted by 726 at 2014-06-11 04:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

I see a GOP trial balloon slowly deflating.

#23 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2014-06-12 01:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

#23 You need better reading comprehension.

#24 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-06-12 01:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

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