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Tuesday, June 10, 2014

Five American soldiers have been killed accidentally by their own side in southern Afghanistan, U.S. military sources have confirmed. An Afghan soldier and an interpreter also died in the Nato air strike after Monday's operation in Zabul province. The incident happened in Arghandab district, a place hotly contested between the Taliban and international forces.

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Americans will keep dying there until at least 2016 thanks to Obama and his ever changing promises regarding withdrawal from Afghanistan.

#1 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-10 10:54 AM | Reply | Flag:

My biggest problem with Obama's afghan strategy is he's already committed to not winning. I'm not saying it's all his fault partly b/c of the Afghans themselves. What I don't understand is if we are just going to run out the clock we are wasting good men's lives for nothing. What will be difference in leaving now or in two years with minimum troop presence? How does our strategy succeed by staying vs leaving?

#2 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-10 11:10 AM | Reply | Flag:

"What I don't understand is if we are just going to run out the clock we are wasting good men's lives for nothing. What will be difference in leaving now or in two years with minimum troop presence? How does our strategy succeed by staying vs leaving?"

Pulling everyone out at once could be perceived as running way and weak. And if that happens Obama's political opponents may seize on it and call him names. They're going to find excuses to call him names anyway, but why make it easy?

So basically, Americans have to keep dying in Afghanistan so that Obama's opponents have to work a little hard to find excuses to call him names.

#3 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-10 11:16 AM | Reply | Flag:

So basically, Americans have to keep dying in Afghanistan so that Obama's opponents have to work a little hard to find excuses to call him names.

#3 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-10 11:16 AM | Reply | Flag:

You already have the likes of McCain and others calling for staying in Afghanistan. They are already calling him names. I just wish for once he would buck up and either say we are in or we are out. This running out the clock only gets more soldiers killed for no apparent reason. If we are staying just for the sake of staying just keep soldiers on base rather than out patrolling when it serves no real objective. The taliban already knows that we are running out the clock so they will simply hang back and kill Americans when they can and plan for the future when they can't.

#4 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-10 11:24 AM | Reply | Flag:

My biggest problem with Obama's afghan strategy is he's already committed to not winning.

Define "winning" in that --------. The Russians were committed to winning too.

Any war there cannot be won without a massive influx of money we don't have and lives that people don't want expended.

#5 | Posted by 726 at 2014-06-10 11:38 AM | Reply | Flag:

Pulling everyone out at once could be perceived as running way and weak. And if that happens Obama's political opponents may seize on it and call him names.

May?

There is no may.

#6 | Posted by 726 at 2014-06-10 11:39 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

May?

There is no may.

#6 | Posted by 726 at 2014-06-10 11:39 AM | Reply | Flag:

And there is no doubt that they will find other reasons to attack him anyway.

Which makes it all the more disgusting that Americans will keep dying there over appearances.

#7 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-10 11:44 AM | Reply | Flag:

"What I don't understand is if we are just going to run out the clock we are wasting good men's lives for nothing. What will be difference in leaving now or in two years with minimum troop presence? How does our strategy succeed by staying vs leaving?"

The difference is support contracts

#8 | Posted by FlyUntied at 2014-06-10 11:45 AM | Reply | Flag:

-Pulling everyone out at once

Could cost the lives of those who supported us there after we promised them we would not just cut and run.

Of course, we've never kept that promise to other countries before, so this would be an exception.

#9 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-10 11:50 AM | Reply | Flag:

My biggest problem with Obama's afghan strategy is he's already committed to not winning.

#2 | Posted by Dalton

And what exactly do you suppose a win would look like?

IMO our goals were completely fulfilled when Bin Laden was killed, which could have been accomplished years earlier if Bush has stayed the course. Regardless of that, Obama is indeed breaking a promise by not pulling our presence this year.

#10 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2014-06-10 11:55 AM | Reply | Flag:

Any war there cannot be won without a massive influx of money we don't have and lives that people don't want expended.

#5 | Posted by 726 at 2014-06-10 11:38 AM | Reply | Flag:

You will notice that I said winning or losing in Afghanistan has little to do with Obama b/c of the Afghan people. Obama's fault is that he like most of the country know this and is merely keeping up appearances for political purposes knowing that more soldiers are going to die as a result.

#11 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-10 11:55 AM | Reply | Flag:

You Obama defenders need to relax. I'm not blaming him for Afghanistan. I'm not blaming Bush for Afghanistan. Our biggest mistake was thinking everyone wants to be like America. They don't. They like the stone ages. I'm only pointing out that if we are just running out the clock we need to start getting out now. As efficiently as possible. Quit these patrolling missions that jeopardize our troops when everyone just wants to get out.

#12 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-10 11:58 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Our biggest mistake was thinking everyone wants to be like America. They don't"

So true. They see our nuts. We're nuts.

#13 | Posted by FlyUntied at 2014-06-10 12:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

Is this also the NRA's fault?

#14 | Posted by shirtsbyeric at 2014-06-10 12:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

Obama said "by the end of 2014."

But not all troops will be leaving. He'll probably try to do in Afghanistan what he could not do in Iraq (because of the Iraqi Parliament's refusal to indemnify American troops) and that is to leave about 5,000 behind as a rapid response force (for a period of time) and also to protect the American embassy.

So don't get your shorts in a bunch when not everybody comes home. It's planned that way.

#15 | Posted by Twinpac at 2014-06-10 02:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

I thought it was "not one troop" remaining in Afghanistan? Didn't Biden pledge that, or was that another lie about another country we are at war with? Regardless, the claim was a 100% pullout.

#16 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-06-10 03:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

So don't get your shorts in a bunch when not everybody comes home. It's planned that way.

#15 | Posted by Twinpac at 2014-06-10 02:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

1st of all, in the past he said everyone would be out by 2014 and that promise has been broken.

Secondly, it doesn't matter why those guys are being left there to people who want them all out. If the plan involves leaving 5,000 troops there then the plan sucks.

#17 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-10 03:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

Regardless, the claim was a 100% pullout.

#16 | Posted by 101Chairborne

That's what she said! =D

Yes, I just saw footage a couple of day ago of Obama saying we'd be out of Afghanistan by the end of 2014.

#18 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2014-06-10 03:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

If the goal is to keep people there past 2014 simply because they'd be facilitating the removal of our equipment and infrastructure then I completely get it. But what in the hell are 5,000 troops going to do other than be targets? I'd prefer 50 operators to 5,000 joes. The 50 can blend in, the 5,000 are stationary targets.

#19 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-06-10 03:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

I thought it was "not one troop" remaining in Afghanistan? Didn't Biden pledge that, or was that another lie about another country we are at war with? Regardless, the claim was a 100% pullout.

#16 | POSTED BY 101CHAIRBORNE AT 2014-06-10 03:03 PM | REPLY | FLAG:BLAH BLAH BLAH

So Obama is not allowed to change plans as the situation changes?

The we will never cut and run committee must be out for the day.

Ya know when Reagan threw a war on Grenada All US casualties were friendly fire because there was no enemy to engage. The clown brigade were passing medals out like it was a big deal.

What was the gift from that? Oh riiiight the presidential war powers act that you bitch about now.

#20 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2014-06-10 03:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

The goal is to be able to respond to AQ and Taliban efforts against us in other countries by being close enough to hit them quickly where it hurts.

#21 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-10 03:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

The goal is to be able to respond to AQ and Taliban efforts against us in other countries by being close enough to hit them quickly where it hurts.

#21 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-10 03:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

AQ has moved on to greener pastures in Iraq and Libya.

#22 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-10 03:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

Ah, yes, the great geopolitical mind notes there are no more AQ in Pakistan or Afghanistan.

Intellectualism is definitely on it's last legs.

#23 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-10 03:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

We shouldn't be in Afghanistan.

We should never have gone there.

#24 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-06-10 03:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

We had every right to go into Afghanistan. Overthrow the Taliban etc... We just shouldn't have gotten into nation building. The surge was a joke and Obama only did that half heartedly b/c he kept saying "it's the good war" and didn't consider Afghanistan can't be tamed by boots on the ground. More like special forces,drones, and laser guided bombs. That country is desinged for guerrilla tactics which can't be fought with just more boots.

#25 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-10 04:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Ah, yes, the great geopolitical mind notes there are no more AQ in Pakistan or Afghanistan."

Just pointing out that the idea that we can stop AQ attacks by keeping troops in Afghanistan is obviously flawed because AQ has many others areas where they operate openly.

#26 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-10 04:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

Ya know when Reagan threw a war on Grenada All US casualties were friendly fire because there was no enemy to engage. The clown brigade were passing medals out like it was a big deal.

That was before 2009. Now you know nothing counts that happened before 2009. Please do not use examples from before the fall of the Holy White Man's Empire. It may cause a paradox in the Tea Party Time Continuum.

#27 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-06-10 06:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

May?

There is no may.

#6 | Posted by 726

Dang, living in Asia has really left me out of touch with the world... What month ended about a week and a half ago?

#28 | Posted by mariosanchez at 2014-06-11 01:51 AM | Reply | Flag:

Pulling out after he killed Bin Laden would have been the perfect time. We could've said we went in because of 9/11, and we stayed til justice was served. That would've made the point.

Every dollar spent and every soldier killed since then is a total waste, simply to try to dull republican critics, who would criticize him no matter what he did anyways.

Obama has wasted a majority of his presidency trying to appease republicans who have done nothing but offer absolute opposition since day 1.

#29 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-06-11 03:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

We went into Afghanistan to re-establish the opium production that the Taliban had halted, for one thing. Tillman was murdered because he had the notoriety to expose organized crime that he discovered going on there (60 Minutes exposed the opium production involving our troops & America really doesn't give a damn.)

Now everything "accomplished" in the charade that was Iraq is coming undone, and America has thousands of vets with PTSD from multiple deployments that were known to be destructive to a soldier's psyche since WW2 at least (maybe this was discovered in the first world war).

America is being destroyed before our apathetic eyes, most people falling into the trap of blaming the "other" political party, when both parties are complicit.

#30 | Posted by kenx at 2014-06-11 07:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

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