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Truthout: Frazier Glenn Miller, Dennis Marx and the Las Vegas shooters were right-wing extremists and domestic terrorists. It's that simple. Unfortunately, the media refuses to acknowledge right-wing extremism and domestic terrorism in our country, even though they pose a bigger threat to our national security than jihadists and Islamic extremists. According to the New America Foundation, as of April of this year, 21 people had been killed in the United States in attacks motivated by Islamic extremism since 9/11. Meanwhile, 34 people had been killed by right-wing extremist attacks during the same time period.

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The fact is, right-wing extremism is on the rise, it's dangerous, and it's now a major terrorist force in America.

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Instead, you have Conservative pundits like Sean Hannity running around, arguably egging on right-wing extremists.

out and out lie from a pack of liars !

and when they give us the islamic versus right wing totals, they leave out ALL OF THE OTHER ATTACKS.......

more trash....typical liberal left wing trash.........

#1 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-06-09 11:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

Right wing terror has trended down per the west point study last year. Media fixation makes it seem higher than it is.

#2 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2014-06-10 07:59 AM | Reply | Flag:

The shooters were celebrated and glamorized in media coverage of Cliven Bundy and the anti govt. "malitia gathering"where right wing gun thugs drew beads on agens to try to intimidate lawful federal agents.

If you say that is not true, you are a liar, Babbles.

#3 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2014-06-10 08:51 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 6

I'm not defending Bundy but, these clowns were asked to leave once it was found out he had a criminal record.

#4 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-10 09:44 AM | Reply | Flag:

If you say that is not true, you are a liar, Babbles.

#3 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2014-06-10 08:51 AM | Reply | Flag:

Actually that's not true. I have a very low opinion of Bundy and his supporters. But the truth is that these two killers were asked to leave. There are also no reports that either of them were ever on TV.

#5 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-10 09:57 AM | Reply | Flag:

There are also no reports that either of them were ever on TV.

#5 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-10 09:57 AMFlag: (Choose)
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The male shooter did make the news for a interview where he said if the federal government wanted to speak the language of violence that they could learn that language. Shortly after though he and his wife were asked to leave.

#6 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-10 10:09 AM | Reply | Flag:

Also, I hate these type of losers who want to play out some grand fantasy they have imagined in their own heads. If you want them labeled as terrorist what do you propose be done with them? There is no evidence the police could have used to prevent this tragedy. Would you support drone strikes on them? Preemptive arrest? I'm curious what ideas people have to stop them? Clearly the guy couldn't legally purchase a gun b/c he already had a criminal felony record and killing innocent people didn't bother him so what gun law could you pass that he would have cared about?

#7 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-10 10:13 AM | Reply | Flag:

The male shooter did make the news for a interview where he said if the federal government wanted to speak the language of violence that they could learn that language. Shortly after though he and his wife were asked to leave.

#6 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-10 10:09 AM | Reply | Flag:

OK, I stand corrected. But even in that case he wasn't being endorsed by anyone else. He showed up, someone stuck a camera in front of him and then he was asked to leave.

#8 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-10 10:17 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Also, I hate these type of losers who want to play out some grand fantasy they have imagined in their own heads."

That seems to be more than half of all spree killers.

#9 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-10 10:21 AM | Reply | Flag:

Man, this right-wing terrorism meme is SO on point!

Hey, question for the group...what percentage of the "mass shootings" you have all been on here pissing and moaning about have been perpetrated by right-wingers?

www.motherjones.com

More than half of the cases involved school or workplace shootings (12 and 20, respectively); the other 30 cases took place in locations including shopping malls, restaurants, and religious and government buildings. Forty four of the killers were white males. Only one of them was a woman. (See Goleta, Calif., in 2006.) The average age of the killers was 35, though the youngest among them was a mere 11 years old. (See Jonesboro, Ark., in 1998.) A majority were mentally troubled -- and many displayed signs of it before setting out to kill.

#10 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-06-10 10:26 AM | Reply | Flag:

OK, I stand corrected. But even in that case he wasn't being endorsed by anyone else. He showed up, someone stuck a camera in front of him and then he was asked to leave.

#8 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-10 10:17 AM | Reply | Flag:

I agree. I wasn't trying to play gotcha and almost didn't even post the correction but, I didn't want you repeating it knowing you would want the information. To be fair I never saw him on any cameras until he killed these people. I'm sure someone went and dug up any footage they could find for political points.

#11 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-10 11:00 AM | Reply | Flag:

Mustang you are hurting their narrative. Remember when the New York times square bombing was over Obamacare?

#12 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-10 11:01 AM | Reply | Flag:

Please show a list of the militia members who brought weapons and drew beads on Federal officials at Bundy's little anti government Tea Party who were "endorsed".

When you can show that list, then we will know be able to determine that they were "not endorsed".

Till then, they were part of the gathering.

Bundy's self serving family members are hardly credible.

#13 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2014-06-10 11:06 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

You made the claims einstein. You prove it. It's been widely reported even on MSNBC that these losers were asked to leave. I can't help it if you don't like that fact.

#14 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-10 11:12 AM | Reply | Flag:

Was he there?

Yes he was.

That fact is not in dispute.

Was he asked to leave?

That is a 'fact' for which there is no proof.

My statement is accurate and has been confirmed by disinterested witnesses.

Your statement that he was asked to leave is hear say, provided by a co conspirator who has a personal interest in denying the connection.

I'd say the burden of proof is on you, Dalton.

#15 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2014-06-10 11:22 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 4

"If the Las Vegas Killers Were Muslims We'd Call Them Terrorists

But that doesn't mean the label should be more widely applied -- in fact, it's better to be more parsimonious with it."

www.theatlantic.com

Interesting take.

#16 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-10 11:56 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

The shooters were celebrated and glamorized in media coverage of Cliven Bundy and the anti govt. "malitia gathering"where right wing gun thugs drew beads on agens to try to intimidate lawful federal agents.

They certainly were.

How often have we heard about "2nd amendment remedies" to their hatred of the government?

How often have we heard "the revolution has begun!"

It shouldn't, but irresponsible memes like these do gin up the willingness of the less than sane to go off and kill innocent people.

#17 | Posted by 726 at 2014-06-10 12:55 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 5

Your statement that he was asked to leave is hear say, provided by a co conspirator who has a personal interest in denying the connection.
I'd say the burden of proof is on you, Dalton.

#15 | POSTED BY OLDWHISKEYSOUR AT 2014-06-10 11:22 AM | FLAG:

Actually the male killer told their neighbor they were kicked off the protest, the same one they told they intended to kill cops.

It's been studied before. The right-wing nuts that turn violent most often are kicked out of militia groups first for being too nuts.

#18 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2014-06-10 03:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

How often have we heard "the revolution has begun!"

I believe that is one of the Tea Party's rally cries.

Or at least AFKbabble's as he cries into his beer.

#19 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-06-10 05:36 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 3

this is just going to be swept under the carpet just all the rest of the dead and the dead children.

face it, the right-wing is simply collectively really dumb with control issues.

#20 | Posted by ichiro at 2014-06-10 08:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

i din't if you guys have includedt yet, haven't read all the thread, but this guy and his wife--and i bet all the miltia and hate group loons, dangerous loons, listen to Akex Jones and read InfoWars.

i think we ought to chase that guy out the country and shutdown his media access back in.

you simply cannot incite violence. that is exactly all he does.
have we gone insane?

#21 | Posted by ichiro at 2014-06-10 08:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

Given the number of right wingers vs muslims in the US, don't those statistics show a disturbingly high percentage of islamic terrorism vs right wing terrorism in the US?

#22 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2014-06-11 08:11 AM | Reply | Flag:

It is important to note that right wing clowns brandishing weapons are given more space by the police than anti-war, anti-nuclear, occupy wall street unarmed peaceful protestors. I believe it has to do with the fact that our Government and its ever more militarized police share common values with right wing extremists, including a propensity towards violence.

While it might seem little could be done to stop this ugly violent crime, Jerad Miller belonged in a mental institution. He exhibited symptoms of schizophrenia and required supervised medication. Meanwhile, right wing fools, in their ill conceived drive to reduce spending on everything except the military, have closed too many mental health facilities. The result is these sickos are either on the streets or in prison, nothing resembling a solution for themselves or society.

#23 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-06-11 08:14 AM | Reply | Flag:

I believe that is one of the Tea Party's rally cries.

Precisely.

I know we like to play "Well no one could have imagined that...."

But it does happen. Free speech is not carte blanche to use words and symbols to stir up hate and violence. It is irresponsible. The sooner the grown children that are in the national spotlight learn to choose their words wisely, the better off as a nation we will be.

#24 | Posted by 726 at 2014-06-11 08:27 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Nice try from the ultra left wing wackos on Thom Hartmann's team. Bogus.

#25 | Posted by sames1 at 2014-06-11 08:51 AM | Reply | Flag:

"How often have we heard "the revolution has begun!"

Wasn't the last time in 1968 in Chicago, during the Democratic National Convention? The "Days of Rage," when the the uppler class members of the Weather Underground were convinced that the US was on the cusp of a progressive revolution?

That one petered out due to lack of interest as well. Of course most of the Weather Underground are now held in high regard by progressives. Mr. and Mrs. Miller are nothing more than a couple of Cosplay clowns who were even rejected by Cliven Bundy...

#26 | Posted by madbomber at 2014-06-11 10:06 AM | Reply | Flag:

"i think we ought to chase that guy out the country and shutdown his media access back in."

What about Mike malloy? Same thing with him? How about Dave Marsh? Mark Thompson? Stephanie Miller?

Art Bell?

#27 | Posted by madbomber at 2014-06-11 10:08 AM | Reply | Flag:

When are we going to admit that Fox News is the mouthpiece of a right wing terrorist organization? They egg on the Teahadists, who are terrorists. When are Hannity, O'reilly, and the other mouth breathers over there going to do time for crimes against the American people?

#28 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2014-06-11 10:32 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

^^ Lee_the_agent -- seriously dude? Is this Invent-a-fact day?

I agree these perps were right-wing extremists, but..

To classify all Fascist behavior as 'right-wing' in today's climate is completely inaccurate. Fascists can fall on either side of the political spectrum. In the last 10 years, there are many more examples of fascist behavior on the left than on the right.

Disdain for government and campaigning for reducing government powers is labeled as right-wing in this country. But note that the American revolutionaries were Liberals. The Conservatives of the time were those who wanted to remain loyal to the throne.

The case could be made that with the status quo being a state of government overreach, people who rebel against the government could actually be classified as (neo) Liberals.

No, I'm not trying to redefine these things, just saying the lines have been blurred. Wanting the gov't to reduce taxes (as in Tea Party) is wholly embraced as a 'right-wing' stance. But, considering that the acronym stands for Taxed Enough Already, and given that many believe the middle class is currently way over-taxed, an extremist viewpoint that wants to eliminate most, if not all, taxes, could actually be classified as a Liberal stance, as could any stance that goes against the established status quo.

At some point, classical definitions of Right vs. Left will be insufficient to describe political positions in our evolving nation. Maybe we, as a country, have been suffering through this political identity crisis for some time now.

#29 | Posted by TuffLuv at 2014-06-11 11:58 AM | Reply | Flag:

It was a rightwing attack, but one initiated by mentally ill idiots who (like many rightwingers) had no idea what they were fighting for, nor the ramifications of their actions. I genuinely do not believe that these idiots are in any way representative of all rightwingers. Just a lot of the more sheepish ones.

#30 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-06-11 12:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

the war against muslims has radicalized elements in many differing domestic groups.

#31 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-06-11 12:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

#30 | POSTED BY MODER8

who (like many rightwingers) had no idea what they were fighting for, nor the ramifications of their actions.

Please elaborate on why you believe right-wingers don't know what they're fighting for.

Even more interested in knowing what you perceive the ramifications to be if right wingers succeeded in their main goals, which are 1) drastically reducing size of scope of the federal government and 2) drastically reducing taxes.

#32 | Posted by TuffLuv at 2014-06-11 12:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

#28 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2014-06-11 10:32 AMFlag: (Choose)
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I see you are into self flagging too.

#33 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-06-11 01:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

Its so sad to see the state of affairs in this country. If someone has the viewpoint that the federal government has too much power they are labeled as extreme, wackos, loons, and dangerous. What I find dangerous is that such a large percentage of American citizens believe this garbage, labeling there fellow citizen as a terrorist, simply for having an opposing view. Where is the rationality?

Looking at this thread, all I see are non-stop personal attacks and BIGOTRY. Having listened to Alex Jones, Glenn Beck, Rush, and Hannity regularly for years, none have promoted violence or hatred. In fact, you so-called peace loving libs have more hate in your heart than the average "right-winger".

You distrust the business man, you distrust the republicans, yet you put your full faith in someone because they have a "D" behind their name, that much naivety is bound to reap disaster.

What I find even more dangerous is the death of individual liberty, done by both sides of aisles. At no time in Western history has accumulated power by a central government EVER worked to the benefit population.

ALL HAIL THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT!

#34 | Posted by danv at 2014-06-11 01:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

I read the article and nothing in it connects Dennis Marx the Georgia courthouse shooter to right-wing anything.

Seems he had a vendetta against the legal system because they were about to lock him up for marijuana charges.

To label anyone who lashes out at the government as "right-wing extremist" is the height of stupidity.

It seems from what I've read that Dennis Marx's political leanings had nothing to do with his attack.

#35 | Posted by TXLIBERTARIAN at 2014-06-11 01:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

Also, I hate these type of losers who want to play out some grand fantasy they have imagined in their own heads. If you want them labeled as terrorist what do you propose be done with them? There is no evidence the police could have used to prevent this tragedy. Would you support drone strikes on them? Preemptive arrest? I'm curious what ideas people have to stop them? Clearly the guy couldn't legally purchase a gun b/c he already had a criminal felony record and killing innocent people didn't bother him so what gun law could you pass that he would have cared about?
#7 | Posted by Dalton

There is no law that can stop them. The only answer is total confiscation and periodic inspections.. Ja Voldht show uz your papers!

#36 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2014-06-11 02:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

Ja Voldht show uz your papers!

#36 | Posted by phesterOBoyle

"Papers" are to be required vote but none required for deadly weapons?

How very illogical of you.

Nothing can be done!

How very unAmerican of you.

#37 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-06-11 05:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Papers" are to be required vote but none required for deadly weapons?"

We have voter id now? Thank God.

#38 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2014-06-11 06:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

Huh......most of these shooters saw themselves as white supremacists who were mentally disturbed and afflicted with Aspergers Syndrome, while they and family were politically left of center liberals.

#39 | Posted by Robson at 2014-06-11 09:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

.... "Truthout: Frazier Glenn Miller, Dennis Marx and the Las Vegas shooters were right-wing extremists and domestic terrorists"

**** They were Patsies! It was just another STUDID CIA False Flag PsyOps!

#40 | Posted by AntiCadillac at 2014-06-11 10:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

Wasn't the last time in 1968 in Chicago, during the Democratic National Convention? The "Days of Rage,"

And once again, Mad goes half a century back to try and spin reality. You seem to have forgotten the more recent OKC bomber (hardly a leftie) or the Reverend Jesus H Koresh, a gun lovin' Texas boy.
During the 1980s, more than 75 right-wing extremists were prosecuted in the United States for acts of terrorism, although they carried out only six attacks during the decade.[24] In 1983, Gordon Kahl, a Posse Comitatus activist, killed two federal marshals and was later killed by police. Also that year, the white nationalist revolutionary group The Order (also known as the Brüder Schweigen or Silent Brotherhood) robbed several banks and armored cars, as well as a sex shop;[25] bombed a theater and a synagogue; and murdered radio talk show host Alan Berg.[26][27]

McVeigh stated it was retaliation for the government's actions in Ruby Ridge and Waco.[29] McVeigh attended Michigan militia group gun shows.[30][31]

Eric Rudolph executed a series of terrorist attacks between 1996 and 1998. He carried out 1996 Centennial Olympic Park bombing -- which claimed two lives and injured 111 -- with the aim of to cancelling the games, claiming they promoted global socialism.[32] Rudolph confessed to bombing an abortion clinic in Sandy Springs, an Atlanta suburb, on January 16, 1997; the Otherside Lounge, an Atlanta lesbian bar, on February 21, 1997, injuring five; and an abortion clinic in Birmingham, Alabama on January 29, 1998, killing Birmingham police officer and part-time clinic security guard Robert Sanderson, and critically injuring nurse Emily Lyons.

According to data compiled by the New America Foundation, since the 2001 September 11 attacks, right-wing extremists have committed at least eight lethal terrorist attacks in the United States, resulting in the deaths of nine people.[citation needed] According to the Federal Bureau of Investigation, between January 1, 2007 and October 31, 2009, white supremacists were involved in 53 acts of violence, 40 of which were assaults directed primarily at African-Americans, seven of which were murders and the rest of which were threats, arson and intimidation. "These were treated as racially motivated crimes rather than political acts of violence, i.e. terrorism."[33

#41 | Posted by northguy3 at 2014-06-11 10:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

"And once again, Mad goes half a century back to try and spin reality. You seem to have forgotten the more recent OKC bomber (hardly a leftie) or the Reverend Jesus H Koresh, a gun lovin' Texas boy."

Dude, did you even recognize the irony in the crimes you listed? The killing of Federal Agents, the robbing of banks and armored cars? It may have been white supremacists doing it in 1985, but it had been left wing revolutionaries doing those same things ten years earlier. 20 years earlier.

Hopefully you're starting to get my point regarding political violence. If not, it's simple. It's not limited to the left or the right. Both sides have ample numbers of crazies.

But this may be the most important thing. Most conservatives and Libertarians I know think that Cliven Bundy was an idiot. In reality, he was hardly any different than the fleabaggers, expect for the fact that he was a Mormon rancher in Nevada as opposed to an upper class white kid in Manhattan. And Cliven Bundy thought Jared Miller was an idiot. That should speak volumes.

In the meantime, the Weathermen have gone on to receive pardons for their crimes, and are treated as pseudo-celebrities on the left. Bill Ayers is, in effect, a softer, less violent version of Bill Ayers. But most conservatives roll their eyes when it comes to Bundy. Ayers gets progressives all gushy.

#42 | Posted by madbomber at 2014-06-11 10:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

McVeigh was definitely a rightwing terrorist.

These last shooters may have been rightwing but they seem to be more crazy than political.

#43 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-12 10:36 AM | Reply | Flag:

McVeigh was so nuts even the right wing fringe would not have anything to do with him. BTW, How did he have the money to go to the Philippines three times? The more you read and learn about this little coward, the more you see that we haven't been told the whole truth. Follow the money he spent. IOW, how did he raise about 80K the year before the bombing? He must have been selling a whole lot of books.

#44 | Posted by docnjo at 2014-06-12 08:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

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