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"When she was making fun of that whole hopey-changey stuff… she was right!"

Anarcho-syndicalist Noam Chomsky had kind words to say about former Governor of Alaska Sarah Palin‘s analysis of President Barack Obama in an interview from Breitbart. The interview reveals Chomsky's mindset of how he believes that the PR industry sells candidates like President Obama as something entirely different from what they actually are.

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This comes in light of recent revelations from Palin who has claimed that she was unable to reveal the truth about President Obama when she campaigned against him for Vice President in 2008. Why wouldn't she be allowed to speak the truth about her opponent and reveal him for what he truly is? In a recent interview on Fox News, she stated:

"Though I was during the campaign running for VP, I was banned from talking about Jeremiah Wright and Obama's friend, Bill Ayers, the character that he befriended and kicked off his political campaign in the guy's living room. Couldn't talk about that. Couldn't talk about Obama's lack of knowledge and job experience and the things that he said like America had 57 states, things like that."

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I haven't always agreed with Noam but in this case he sees clearly the ignorant narcissist Obama is.

#1 | Posted by mcmlcxx at 2014-06-08 10:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

Wow, I am with 69'.

I know 724 will come along and say I agreeing with Noam is hyporcticial because I disagree with him often, but I would put it this time he agrees with me.

Who is Bruce Bartlett?

#2 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-06-08 10:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

I agree with Noam, when Noam agrees with me. Otherwise, I hate him.

Love,
The RW

#3 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2014-06-08 10:42 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 4

yeah you're right BB....i've never seen a thread here where the left jumps all over someone from my side agreeing with a radical

OH WELL except for the krauthammer statement the other day....and about one or two every other week....

this does, I believe, show that even someone like this guy sees that obama is a fraud....always has been....

#4 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-06-08 11:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

Couldn't talk about that. Couldn't talk about Obama's lack of knowledge and job experience and the things that he said like America had 57 states, things like that."

Wow. Talk about the kitchen calling the kettle black.

#5 | Posted by jpw at 2014-06-09 12:33 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 4

Yep, Barack Obama the gift that keeps on giving. I still can't make up my mind is he more evil or stupid.

#6 | Posted by mcmlcxx at 2014-06-09 12:56 AM | Reply | Flag:

what else did he say, did say he voted for her and McCain or he didn't vote at all?
where's page 2?

#7 | Posted by ichiro at 2014-06-09 02:37 AM | Reply | Flag:

btw, that Sarah! was shutup is not new news.
even a clock is right twice a day.

#8 | Posted by ichiro at 2014-06-09 02:39 AM | Reply | Flag:

Wright and Ayers was well publicized BY Sarah! during the campaign. they TRIED to sgut her up...they really didn't want her talking AT ALL after her intellect and job performance was exposed. but NOooo... her boneheaded statements and lack knowledge was exposed in interviews and on the stump.

www.politifact.com

but let's not conflate that with what Noam was talking about: the PR industry and general lack of accomlishing leftist goals.

simply put: Obama was a FAR better choice thsn the other one, except for Hillary. but then we wouldn't have seen the true amounts of remaining racism in this country. as for the rest of the workd, PR or not, they were inspired, so were the young of America...and the workd.

on top of that, there was plenty of messes to clean up... he's done a decent job of that.
as far carrying further goals...the GOP AND the TP, will have to do with this entire era.

i think Noam would agree with those obvious assesments.

he has said and written far worse things about Reagan and Bush and the rest of the Right.

for those who can't see the short video, try here:
weaselzippers.us

#9 | Posted by ichiro at 2014-06-09 03:02 AM | Reply | Flag:

here's a completely BS rebuttal of the politifact article.
www.zebrafactcheck.com

#10 | Posted by ichiro at 2014-06-09 03:14 AM | Reply | Flag:

here's a completely BS rebuttal of the politifact article.
www.zebrafactcheck.com

What's BS about it, specifically? Your best example will do.

#11 | Posted by bwwZFC at 2014-06-09 05:01 AM | Reply | Flag:

Couldn't talk about Obama's lack of knowledge and job experience and the things that he said like America had 57 states, things like that.

She couldn't talk about lack of knowledge because the campaign knew she is as dumb as a box of rocks. For her to do so would be like her going to a gunfight with a can of play dough.

#12 | Posted by 726 at 2014-06-09 07:26 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

12: Funny. And the other funny part is she wasn't "running for VP." She was "helping" McCain run for president. One does not run for VP. The VP is elected only by virtue of being on the presidential ticket. Yes, some people's votes are influenced by the choice of veep, but one does not run for VP. Yeesh.

#13 | Posted by pragmatist at 2014-06-09 08:28 AM | Reply | Flag:

In 2008 we had a choice between Obama/Biden and McCain/Palin. The US and the entire world is lucky we chose correctly.

#14 | Posted by danni at 2014-06-09 09:18 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

She said alot of stuff about Obama and some of it is true, including her mockery of "hope and change".

#15 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-09 10:25 AM | Reply | Flag:

What's BS about it, specifically? Your best example will do.
#11 | POSTED BY BWWZFC AT 2014-06-09 05:01 AM | FLAG:

best is difficult, but the lack of a dictionary is up there.
(can't get into their site to grab a quote, too bad.)
www.merriam-webster.com

#16 | Posted by ichiro at 2014-06-09 11:02 AM | Reply | Flag:

Chomsky is just another butthurt lefty who fell for the political positioning of Obama as Left of Hillary for a Dem primary.

Anyone who was paying attention knew better.

#17 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-09 11:31 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

#14 Yeah, because they've done such a bang-up job so far. Make sure you spell everything correctly so that the NSA snoops don't have to look words up in the online dictionary.

#18 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-06-09 11:55 AM | Reply | Flag:

ichiro, on the BS of a fact check:

best is difficult, but the lack of a dictionary is up there.

There's no misuse of the term (good luck finding a quotation that says otherwise). The article points out that the logic of a ban allows for the use of the term, first because of timing and secondly because a ban on speech is pretty easy to break. Therefore, logic, despite the definition of "ban," allows Palin to speak about Ayers and be banned from speaking about Ayers in the same election cycle without contradiction. PolitiFact's logic was flawed, and apparently so was yours. PolitiFact's fact check was BS.

#19 | Posted by bwwZFC at 2014-06-09 01:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Anyone who was paying attention knew better."

Bears repeating.

"Anyone who was paying attention knew better."

#20 | Posted by pragmatist at 2014-06-09 02:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

""Anyone who was paying attention knew better.""

People should have read the links I posted in 2007 and 2008. They were prescient.

www.alternet.org

#21 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-06-09 02:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

#19
"There's no misuse of the term (good luck finding a quotation that says otherwise). The article points out that the logic of a ban allows for the use of the term, first because of timing and secondly because a ban on speech is pretty easy to break. Therefore, ...."

therefore, blah blah blah. BS. but then, this is the GOTP's modus operandi...ignore science, ignore dictionaries, etc etc. just keep talking like you're an evangelist country preacher,
fakirs, charlatans, dummies and worse.

ok, this is stupid, but i'll go a round.

Palin: "I was banned from talking about Jeremiah Wright and Obama's friend, Bill Ayers."

1) Palin's statement is perfectly consistent with a prohibition occurring, for example, in mid October.

2) Palin's statement need not be taken as a strict ban on mentioning Ayers by name.

ok, this IS stupid. forget it.

#22 | Posted by ichiro at 2014-06-09 06:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

Chomsky is just another butthurt lefty who fell for the political positioning of Obama as Left of Hillary for a Dem primary.

Anyone who was paying attention knew better.

#17 | Posted by Corky at 20

Yeah yeah, any one who even dares to question a Democrat no matter who or what they have done is evil and must be taunted, right Corky.

the sad truth is no matter how conservative Obama is, Hillary is even far further to the right, any one who was paying attention knows better then to think otherwise

#23 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2014-06-09 06:51 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

"The interview reveals Chomsky's mindset of how he believes that the PR industry sells candidates like President Obama as something entirely different from what they actually are."

It's called PR.

They succeeded with BushJr.

They succeeded with Clinton.

They will succeed with the next elected POTUS.

The masses will vote for who they're told to vote for.

#24 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-06-09 07:06 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

Chomsky waw I'm quite sure a Nader voter. He is of the belief that Presidents have a magic wand but just have to be real enough to use it.

#25 | Posted by danni at 2014-06-09 08:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Chomsky waw I'm quite sure a Nader voter. He is of the belief that Presidents have a magic wand but just have to be real enough to use it."

Chomsky advocated a vote for Obama, but he doesn't worship the man like you DNC partisans.

#26 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-06-09 09:00 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

"Chomsky advocated a vote for Obama, but he doesn't worship the man like you DNC partisans."

ONly in your mind is there any such thing as worship. I support this President on most things, not all, and I've expressed my opposition to several of his most important goals. No, what is really going on, is that you feel empowered to dictate appropriate liberal thought, and the rest of us are somehow obligated to agree with you on everything or be labeled as ______. Some of us won't be bullied by you and sort of laugh at you and you then assume we aren't "real" liberals as if you (or NOrm Chomsky) get to decide what liberalism actually is.
Arrogance is a word I would use to describe you, it probably doesn't bother you, but it should. Someday you will realize why, well, I hope you will, I could be giving you too much credit.

#27 | Posted by danni at 2014-06-09 10:32 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

"is that you feel empowered to dictate appropriate liberal thought, and the rest of us are somehow obligated to agree with you on everything or be labeled as ______. Some of us won't be bullied by you and sort of laugh at you and you then assume we aren't "real" liberals as if you (or NOrm Chomsky) get to decide what liberalism actually is.
Arrogance is a word I would use to describe you, it probably doesn't bother you, but it should. Someday you will realize why, well, I hope you will, I could be giving you too much credit."

#27 | Posted by danni

If you left out the NOrm Chomsky part here I would of sworn you were criticizing CORKY.

Lets try wording it this way

"is that you feel empowered to dictate appropriate liberal thought, and the rest of us are somehow obligated to agree with you on everything or be labeled as ______.{A PURITOPIAN!} Some of us won't be bullied by you and sort of laugh at you and you then assume we aren't "real" liberals as if you get to decide what liberalism actually is.
Arrogance is a word I would use to describe you, it probably doesn't bother you, but it should. Someday you will realize why, well, I hope you will, I could be giving you too much credit."

Yup you must be talking about Corky

#28 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2014-06-10 01:40 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

The masses will vote for who they're told to vote for.

#24 | Posted by ClownShack

I always thought it was strange that the votes of the states went to the party and the party then voted on who they wanted to run for president. We just have things happen in the opposite order so that we have the facade of voting for a person rather than voting for a party.

#29 | Posted by mariosanchez at 2014-06-10 03:27 AM | Reply | Flag:

ICHIRO jumps at the challenge to back up his claim that a fact check is BS:

"this is the GOTP's modus operandi...ignore science, ignore dictionaries, etc etc. just keep talking like you're an evangelist country preacher,
fakirs, charlatans, dummies and worse."

The ad hom fallacy is the best part!

You've got Palin's statement plus two observations from the fact check, which you post as though they're self-evidently false. You don't try to explain why they're false--apparently it's so obvious that it defies explanation ... or there's always the handy excuse that you're wasting your time when you could just rely on an ad hominem fallacy.

Let me put it in terms a liberal should be able to understand: When a homosexual couple holds a wedding ceremony in a state where there's a ban on gay marriage, did they sidestep the ban? Did the state simply fail to enforce its ban in that instance? Or was it a fake wedding and the couple isn't really married?

#30 | Posted by bwwZFC at 2014-06-10 04:15 AM | Reply | Flag:

She said alot of stuff about Obama and some of it is true, including her mockery of "hope and change".
#15 | Posted by Sully

True, but not enough. Palin didn't offer up any substance of her own. Having the mother of a special needs child in the VP office was about it.

#31 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-06-10 07:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Yup you must be talking about Corky"

As imperfect as we are and as imperfect as the Presidents and other politicians we elect are they are still by far better than what the Republicans are offering and better too than the independent Don Quixote's the Naders and the Chomskys and the PUNCHYPOSSOMS want us to to support because they sometimes actually get elected and actually do some good.
Live in your idealistic never never land but you won't change anything that way, it is only through tough, real, coalitions of factions that don't agree about everything, that actually ever really causes anything to change. Give me a Barack Obama or a Bill Clinton anyday over a Noam Chomsky or a RAlph Nader. Those guys can go write their books, they do a service to all of us when they do, but for governing we need people who can actually accomplish things in the real world of politics as BArack Obama demonstrated with the ACA. Biggest change to American life since Medicare.
BTW, the other great Presidents who brought real improvements to the lives of the average Americans were also not radicals, or "puritopians" as some would say, but realists, strategists, creators of consensus. Obama has been exactly that, he learned from his predecessors.

#32 | Posted by danni at 2014-06-10 10:25 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Danni, are you actually trying to convince us the ACA was good for america? Please its the worst law passed in 100 years and thats saying something.

Whats horrible about the bill exceeds by a mile anything that is good about it. Why do you think they wouldn't let anyone read it? Becaus they knew there was no way they could have gotten it passed once congressmen knew what was in it. We need to scrap it and start over. Since you dems keep talking about cooperation what not try some of it by getting rid of the ACA and actually implementing changes to the health care industry that will work to reduce price and increase access without the government controlling when and where people can have health care.

#33 | Posted by mcmlcxx at 2014-06-11 12:14 AM | Reply | Flag:

#32

Double NW post.

We have enough people describing the problems in their screechiest drama queen voices as if they are they the self-proclaimed purists and only they understand the problems we have with government and must regurgitate them as obnoxiously as possible with every post....

... never a solution, hell, never even a constructive criticism, but always a whiny, destructive, solution-free rant about how the extremes are the only way forward when the opposite true.

#33

And then there are the Neanderthals with which to deal.

#34 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-11 12:55 AM | Reply | Flag:

33: The jury is still out. People not liking it is not the same as it not being good for the country long-term. It's a foolish argument until it has been around long enough for results to be seen.

#35 | Posted by pragmatist at 2014-06-11 11:28 AM | Reply | Flag:

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