Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Monday, June 09, 2014

An armed man and woman shouting about a "revolution" opened fire and killed two Las Vegas police officers who were eating lunch in a pizza parlor on Sunday, then fatally shot a civilian in a nearby Wal-Mart store before killing themselves, police said. A city police spokeswoman, Laura Meltzer, said preliminary information received by police at the scene, showed one or both of the suspects had yelled a statement, "This is a revolution" as they carried out the initial attack.

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#1 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-06-08 07:50 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

As usual, open carry good guys are no where to be found when there's actual trouble.

#2 | Posted by 88120rob at 2014-06-08 07:51 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

As usual, open carry good guys are no where to be found when there's actual trouble.

#2 | POSTED BY 88120ROB

From what I have read, the killers went to WalMart next door and ran into a CCW holder with a weapon....

The suspects went to the back of WalMart and killed themselves.

#3 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-06-08 07:59 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

there were 4 "Open carry guys" on the scene and all 4 are dead !

Just more proof that nothing good EVER comes from guns

#4 | Posted by SammyAZ_RI at 2014-06-08 08:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

Messed up as these guys obviously were, I wonder if they were previous victims of police violence or something.

If so, the kind of thing I think we can begin to expect more of.

#5 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2014-06-08 08:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

From what I have read, the killers went to WalMart next door and ran into a CCW holder with a weapon....

I haven't seen any facts confirming that. Every shooting these days has rumors spreading on Twitter that a CCW holder got involved.

#6 | Posted by rcade at 2014-06-08 08:20 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

If we could only outlaw insanity, crime, guns, greed, crooked pols and war the world would be a better place.......except that the elites who hoodwink us and then profit prefer all of the above.

#7 | Posted by Robson at 2014-06-08 08:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

#3 Gun humpers wet dream.

Reality: Clark County Assistant Sheriff Kevin McMahill said the male suspect yelled "everyone get out" before shooting at Walmart. The suspects then walked to the back of the store.

No Rambo to be seen.

#8 | Posted by 88120rob at 2014-06-08 08:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

Interesting story. I wonder what the motivation of this man-woman team was?

#9 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2014-06-08 09:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I wonder what the motivation of this man-woman team was?"

Obviously a couple of gun control nuts on a "False Flag" mission.

#10 | Posted by REDIAL at 2014-06-08 09:07 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

The NRA opening another branch office this time in Las Vegas, sigh!
My condolences to the victims and their family's, and hope for a very long and painful trip to hell for the criminal gunman/gunwoman!

#11 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2014-06-08 09:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

50% of all mass shooters are schizophrenic. That's why Reagan released them fromCalifornia mental institutions and cut the mental health funding, a policy which is now a national trend.

#12 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-06-08 09:36 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"Just more proof that nothing good EVER comes from guns"

How about the United States of America? Without guns it wouldn't be.

#13 | Posted by sames1 at 2014-06-08 09:47 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

There that darn liberal media goes again, "gunmen" and "shoot". Can't they just say two all-American patriots stood firm against the jackbooted government agents before martyring themselves to honor the Second Amendment?

#14 | Posted by northguy3 at 2014-06-08 09:55 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

How about the United States of America? Without guns it wouldn't be.

#13 | Posted by sames1

Sure it would. If the English hadn't had guns, they would have had no way of keeping the Colonies from seceding.

Guns are only necessary to fight other guns.

#15 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2014-06-08 10:02 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

One of the suspects yelled, "This is a revolution,"

From The Detroit News: www.detroitnews.com

Tea Partyists. Probably spent the previous 36 hours listening to Glen Beck's reading of "Atlas Shrugged".

#16 | Posted by northguy3 at 2014-06-08 10:07 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Sure it would. If the English hadn't had guns, they would have had no way of keeping the Colonies from seceding.
If the English didn't have guns, Pocahontis would be on the $10 wampum.

#17 | Posted by northguy3 at 2014-06-08 10:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

On the other side of the news... 3500 babies killed in the US today and everyday.

#18 | Posted by FEARTHEKOOLAID at 2014-06-08 10:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

How timely for Walmart!

Today begins their Firearms Clearance Sale:

www.drudge.com

#19 | Posted by TrueBlue at 2014-06-08 10:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

#18: But thats ok, its government sanctioned murder. That makes it ok.

#20 | Posted by Daniel at 2014-06-08 10:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

19
Thanks for the tip!

#21 | Posted by FEARTHEKOOLAID at 2014-06-08 10:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

50% of all mass shooters are schizophrenic. That's why Reagan released them fromCalifornia mental institutions and cut the mental health funding, a policy which is now a national trend.

#12 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-06-

you're not getting away with the reagan comment...it's liberal freak policy that prevents information getting out about people who have shown some sort of mental problems.......if we on the right are as bad as bigots say we are....most likely these two would have been locked up inside some rubber room some where...

but again, another chance to work on removing the NRA simply because they are so effective at keeping liberal freaks from office.

#22 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-06-08 10:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

One of the suspects yelled, "This is a revolution,"

From The Detroit News: www.detroitnews.com

Tea Partyists. Probably spent the previous 36 hours listening to Glen Beck's reading of "Atlas Shrugged".

#16 | Posted by northguy3 at 2014-06

your ridiculous and typical reply here has just been sent all over the country as a prime example of what we are fighting against. congratulations...you're finally "somebody".......

#23 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-06-08 10:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

Guns are only necessary to fight other guns.

Umm, humans were quite good at killing each other well before the invention of the gun. Man is the killer no matter what tool he uses to accomplish it.

#24 | Posted by Daniel at 2014-06-08 10:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

More blood on the hands of right wing media, who scare idiots into this kind of anti government mentality for the sake of protecting the wealth hoarders.

#25 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-06-08 10:55 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

"50% of all mass shooters are schizophrenic."

And therefore the other half are not.

Next point?

#26 | Posted by REDIAL at 2014-06-08 11:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

Wonder if the scumbag shooters were any of Clive Bundy's goons????

#27 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2014-06-08 11:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

Was this right out of Gorillas in the Mist, or has the LAPD yet to comment?

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-06-09 12:22 AM | Reply | Flag:

Couple of white supremacist nutters with a "Don't Tread on Me" flag.

The world is full of loons.

#29 | Posted by REDIAL at 2014-06-09 07:17 AM | Reply | Flag:

#29 Yeah but only in America can all those loons easily get guns.

Makes all the difference.

#30 | Posted by 88120rob at 2014-06-09 07:49 AM | Reply | Flag:

#18: But thats ok, its government sanctioned murder. That makes it ok.

#20 | Posted by Daniel

Sort of like the wars I'm sure you approve of.

#31 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2014-06-09 08:07 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Sort of like the wars I'm sure you approve of.

Negative. I was somewhat ok with going after the Taliban but, all the other stuff was just feeding the war machine. I'm of the philosophy that if you are attacked, you retaliate with a massive, brutal counter and then get the hell out. No handholding with the locals and no nation building after we have leveled everything. I'd want future potential enemies to see what happens when you muck with the USA and think twice.

#32 | Posted by Daniel at 2014-06-09 08:47 AM | Reply | Flag:

CONFIRMED: Concealed carrier engaged shooters in Las Vegas (Nevada)
Thanks to an inside source at Las Vegas Metro Police Department, we have confirmation that a concealed carrier exchanged fire with the two shooters yesterday.

For those unaware of the story, two LVMPD officers were shot and killed by a couple while eating lunch at CiCi's Pizza. One of the officers was attacked from behind while refilling his drink and died instantly. The second officer was then engaged by the woman and suffered multiple gunshot wounds while returning fire.

The killers stripped the officers of their weapons and ammo and calmly left the restaurant toting large black bags. While walking past a witness stated said they just killed two cops and crossed the parking lot toward Walmart to continue their rampage.

"We saw when the man was walking, he was shouting, yelling bad words, and suddenly he had a gun," she told the station. "It was terrible, it was terrible. That man was crazy," said Pauline Pacheco who fled the Wal-Mart with her father after seeing the gunman.

As the man and woman approached Wal-Mart they were confronted by an armed citizen. The concealed carrier drew his handgun and exchanged gunfire with the couple. It is unclear if the concealed carrier wounded either of the shooters.

What is clear is that the concealed carrier slowed the couple's entry to the store giving police additional moments to arrive, saving an untold number of lives inside.

easybakegunclub.com

#33 | Posted by zack991 at 2014-06-09 09:18 AM | Reply | Flag:

So NRA vs NRA find that a little hard to believe? The link was to a nutter site, probably just trying to save NRA face!

#34 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2014-06-09 09:39 AM | Reply | Flag:

Wonder if the scumbag shooters were any of Clive Bundy's goons????

#27 | POSTED BY ABORTED_MONSON AT 2014-06-08 11:26 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

""The man told Monroe he had been kicked off Cliven Bundy's ranch 80 miles northeast of Las Vegas while people from throughout the U.S. gathered there in protest of a Bureau of Land Management roundup of Bundy's cattle." Jessica Anderson, 27, said. She lived next door."

crooksandliars.com

#35 | Posted by 726 at 2014-06-09 09:48 AM | Reply | Flag:

It will be interesting to see if the "Easy Bake Gun Club's" secret source is correct. What happened to the armed citizen? He wasn't shot and didn't stop them from getting into the store so he must have gone somewhere.

#36 | Posted by REDIAL at 2014-06-09 09:51 AM | Reply | Flag:

Flag:

It will be interesting to see if the "Easy Bake Gun Club's" secret source is correct. What happened to the armed citizen? He wasn't shot and didn't stop them from getting into the store so he must have gone somewhere.

#36 | Posted by REDIAL

He was killed, there are a few other articles that are saying they believe he may have wounded the one male shooter.

#37 | Posted by zack991 at 2014-06-09 10:04 AM | Reply | Flag:

www.reviewjournal.com
"At a news conference at about 1 p.m. Assistant Sheriff Kevin McMahill said the male shooter, described as a tall white man, yelled "everyone get out" before shooting.

One unconfirmed report is that the two exchanged gunfire with a citizen who was carrying a concealed weapon, and that one of the shooters was injured. "

#38 | Posted by zack991 at 2014-06-09 10:12 AM | Reply | Flag:

"He was killed"

So the woman killed in the doorway was the CCW holder?

#39 | Posted by REDIAL at 2014-06-09 10:37 AM | Reply | Flag:

what hapoened to Bab's thread complsining about DOJ to crack down on domestic terrorists?

couldn't do it soon enough.

if Sarah! can be (tongue in cheek, by Chomsky) "right," so can batcrazy Bachman...some of these domestic terroist insighters are in congress.

#40 | Posted by ichiro at 2014-06-09 10:42 AM | Reply | Flag:

"soveriegn citizens" .... under investigation.

theimmoralminority.blogspot.co
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#41 | Posted by ichiro at 2014-06-09 10:54 AM | Reply | Flag:

CONFIRMED: Concealed carrier engaged shooters in Las Vegas (Nevada)

Not confirmed.

#42 | Posted by rcade at 2014-06-09 11:00 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

Why the big bold headline over what the killers shouted?

If they had shouted "This is an alien invasion!" it would have been no less accurate than "This is a revolution!".

They were sick, delusional people.

#43 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-09 11:13 AM | Reply | Flag:

#33 CONFIRMED MY ASS!

What has been confirmed is these 2 gun lickers were at the Bundy ranch.

Confirming that there were some seriously depraved deluded dummies in that sick mob.

#44 | Posted by 88120rob at 2014-06-09 11:20 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Just more proof that nothing good EVER comes from guns

It's somewhat of a prisoner's dilemma. We had the same problem with nukes. It's best of no one has them, but when the other guy my secretly have one, you've got a problem.

#45 | Posted by DoofusOfDeath at 2014-06-09 11:21 AM | Reply | Flag:

Where does two white supremacist teatards go first when starting a "revolution" --- why Walmart, naturally.

#46 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2014-06-09 11:23 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 3

- these 2 gun lickers were at the Bundy ranch.

The revolution IS being televised.

#47 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-09 11:25 AM | Reply | Flag:

These wackos used guns, obama's buddy Bill Ayers used bombs - both are terrorist activities.

#48 | Posted by MSgt at 2014-06-09 11:32 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

And people wonder why the DoJ reinstated the domestic terrorism unit. All the Bundy ranch wackos should be put under a microscope now.

#49 | Posted by bored at 2014-06-09 11:35 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Pretty short revolution, I'd say.

#50 | Posted by hawk at 2014-06-09 11:38 AM | Reply | Flag:

How many white people have to die before something is done about gun control?

#51 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2014-06-09 11:42 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

I wonder how many CCW holders were there and did not try to stop them?

Wal*Mart? Nevada? You'd think there would be a few.

#52 | Posted by REDIAL at 2014-06-09 11:43 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

#51

Lee, you are encouragable, son.

FF

#53 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-09 11:53 AM | Reply | Flag:

Claimed to want a shootout with authorities ---- kills themselves before desired shootout starts.

Typical Teatards!

#54 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2014-06-09 12:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

Claimed to want a shootout with authorities ---- kills themselves before desired shootout starts.
Typical Teatards!
#54 | POSTED BY CHIEFTUTMOSES

LOL!!!

These "revolutionaries" are much closer to Bill Ayers and his type than the Tea Party.

#55 | Posted by LastAmerican at 2014-06-09 12:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

Bill Ayers was at the Bundy ranch?

Who'd a thunk it?

#56 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-09 12:28 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"These "revolutionaries" are much closer to Bill Ayers"

Who?

Did you have to resuscitate him just for this deflection?

#57 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2014-06-09 12:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

#55
Yeah, sure, LastAmerican. Read this.
www.rawstory.com

#58 | Posted by cbob at 2014-06-09 12:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

I think the listener must have misunderstood. Maybe they shouted, 'This is a resolution'. This means they finally get to stop being a burden to society.

Maybe they said, 'this is a prostitution', because their plan was screwed.

#59 | Posted by kudzu at 2014-06-09 12:37 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

" obama's buddy Bill Ayers "

You forgot Tony Rezko and Rev. Wright!

--Hillary

#60 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-06-09 12:43 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

Running List of Walmart Shootings Incidents

walmartshootings.blogspot.com

#61 | Posted by Species8472 at 2014-06-09 12:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's a damn shame that so many have basically committed suicide by stupidity, by following Alex Jones, yet he continues to live.

#62 | Posted by kudzu at 2014-06-09 12:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

I wonder how many CCW holders were there and did not try to stop them?
Wal*Mart? Nevada? You'd think there would be a few.
#52 | POSTED BY REDIAL

They had something that non-CCW holders didn't have. A choice!

#63 | Posted by paneocon at 2014-06-09 12:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

Doesn't answer the question.

#64 | Posted by REDIAL at 2014-06-09 12:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

AKFunable,

As Governor, Reagan closed many of California's nuthouses, releasing the patients to the streets. This has become a national trend. Those that aren't on the streets are in prison instead of mental institutions where they belong. 60 minutes did a story on this problem last might.

#65 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-06-09 01:29 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

so... the revolution will begin at Walmart...interesting....but stupid silly dumb.

#66 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-06-09 02:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

This is a revolution...of retardation.

#67 | Posted by justanoversight at 2014-06-09 02:25 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

They kill two cops, a wal-mart shopper (the slowest of all retail shoppers) and themselves and claim it's a revolution?

More likely a meth fueled tweet-out.

#68 | Posted by Tor at 2014-06-09 02:28 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

They had something that non-CCW holders didn't have. A choice!

This is something you celebrate -- CCW holders having a gun in a life-threatening situation and choosing not to use it? Would you still be celebrating inaction if the couple killed another dozen people?

I thought the whole point of you folks turning this back into the Wild West was for the fantasy scenario of a CCW holder stopping a mass shooter. You're willing to put so many more guns on the street to achieve that -- no matter the societal cost from idiots who can't handle the responsibility of a gun and do something stupid, like road ragers who shoot -- but now you don't even expect a holder to act.

#69 | Posted by rcade at 2014-06-09 02:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

More likely a meth fueled tweet-out.
#68 | POSTED BY TOR

Do you mean tweek? Or were they blasting away on Twitter as all this went down?

#70 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-09 02:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

You called it RSTYBEACH11

#71 | Posted by Tor at 2014-06-09 02:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

www.youtube.com

I'm told this is one of the killers youtube channels, complete with footage from Bundy Ranch. People nutty enough to get kicked out of a militia should probably have an eye kept on them.

#72 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2014-06-09 02:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

Why do I picture the hold up scene in the diner during Pulp Fiction?

#73 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-06-09 02:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

and apparently they dressed up as The Joker & Harley Quinn before, just not for their "revolution".

Crazy people seem to like that character since the last movie turned it a demented terrorist.

#74 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2014-06-09 02:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

We have confirmation on a person with a gun intervening:

"Police said Monday that Jerad Miller shot Officer Igor Soldo in the back of the head, then shot fellow Officer Alyn Beck in the neck before his wife, Amanda, pulled a gun from her purse and also fired on Beck."

www.cnn.com

What I don't get is how the killers were able to get the officers' guns and ammunition and put a Gadsen flag on one of their bodies if Amanda Beck was there with a gun.

But kudos to her for trying. Maybe they would've shot up the Cici's without her intervention.

#75 | Posted by rcade at 2014-06-09 03:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

The "real story" won't come out because it involves cops. The same department involved will be the one investigating it and writing the narrative.
"Hero wife serves with honor and distinction", says Susan Rice, LVPD spokeswoman.

#76 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-06-09 03:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

The "real story" won't come out because it involves cops.

We have a story where two cops get executed eating lunch and other cops intervene and stop aspiring mass shooters who wanted "another Columbine," and you want to rag on cops?

#77 | Posted by rcade at 2014-06-09 03:18 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

"What I don't get is how the killers were able to get the officers' guns and ammunition and put a Gadsen flag on one of their bodies if Amanda Beck was there with a gun."

Amanda was the other shooter, not Beck's wife.

#78 | Posted by REDIAL at 2014-06-09 03:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

Oops. My bad. Read that "his wife" part entirely wrong.

YouTube videos "liked" by Vegas shooter Amanda Miller: "Citizens Can Shoot Police," "When Is It OK to Shoot a Cop."

www.youtube.com

#79 | Posted by rcade at 2014-06-09 03:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

People should be able to think as they please, but when their imaginary war with police and the gubmint turns to actual unprovoked shooting, they've gone too far.

Duh, right? Yet it seems to be happening more and more.

#80 | Posted by cbob at 2014-06-09 03:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

"These "revolutionaries" are much closer to Bill Ayers than the Tea Party"
Who?
Did you have to resuscitate him just for this deflection?
#57 | POSTED BY CHIEFTUTMOSES

I am not deflecting. I'm making fun of you by pointing out the obvious.

People in the Tea Party do not use violence, they use the system.

Bill Ayes did use violence.

#81 | Posted by LastAmerican at 2014-06-09 03:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

The couple then retreated to a nearby Walmart, fired a shot and warned everyone to get out. McMahill said Joseph Wilcox, 31, was in the store and was carrying a concealed weapon. Wilcox walked past Amanda Miller and confronted her husband. Amanda Miller then fatally shot Wilcox, McMahill said.

#82 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2014-06-09 03:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

"A man, 31-year-old Joseph Wilcox, saw him and believed he was acting alone so he pulled out his concealed weapon and moved towards Jerad, in an act police called 'heroic'.

"Not realizing that Amanda Miller was part of the attack, he passed her -- and she immediately pulled out her weapon and shot Mr Wilcox in the ribs."

www.dailymail.co.uk

"Wilcox didn't fire off any shots at either of the suspects."

www.nydailynews.com

#83 | Posted by rcade at 2014-06-09 03:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

His concealed weapon did not help him. It actually got him killed.

#85 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-06-09 03:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

People should be able to think as they please, but when their imaginary war with police and the gubmint turns to actual unprovoked shooting, they've gone too far.
Duh, right? Yet it seems to be happening more and more.
#80 | POSTED BY CBOB

The only reason we are talking about this incident where cop are murdered and ignoring the others is because these people are white.

Just pointing out the obvious.

#86 | Posted by LastAmerican at 2014-06-09 03:41 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

Jerad Miller shared this cartoon May 28 on Facebook after the Elliot Rodger massacre:

www.facebook.com

Caption: "So yet another liberal left-wing wack job goes on a fatal mass shooting spree ... because he couldn't get laid and that's the NRA's fault? Jeez, it's no wonder liberalism is regarded as a mental disorder."

#87 | Posted by rcade at 2014-06-09 03:45 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

The only reason we are talking about this incident where cop are murdered and ignoring the others is because these people are white.

Just pointing out the obvious.

#86 | Posted by LastAmerican at 2014-06-09 03:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

I would never have believed you were serious about the things you post if it weren't for the fact you've been doing it so long.

#88 | Posted by cbob at 2014-06-09 03:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

Jared Miller was interviewed at the Cliven Bundy standoff two months ago, hinting that he was ready for a violent confrontation with those nasty federales. Doesn't sound like a lefty to me.
youtu.be

#89 | Posted by cbob at 2014-06-09 04:52 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

#69 | POSTED BY RCADE

You have no real understanding of the whole CCW thing. I suggest you find someone who has one and buy him a cup of coffee and if the person has really carefully thought the situation through and maybe attended a self defense course there are most likely many situations where he will choose not to take action. It took me two years of reading before I decided to get my CCW and I hope to never use it.

#90 | Posted by paneocon at 2014-06-09 05:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

"You have no real understanding of the whole CCW thing. I suggest you find someone who has one and buy him a cup of coffee and if the person has really carefully thought the situation through and maybe attended a self defense course there are most likely many situations where he will choose not to take action. It took me two years of reading before I decided to get my CCW and I hope to never use it."
#90 | Posted by paneocon at 2014-06-09 05:06 PM | Reply

Good suggestion, Pan, but I'd skip the coffee. Don't want to get your subject too hyper ...

#91 | Posted by hawk at 2014-06-09 05:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Tea Partyists. Probably spent the previous 36 hours listening to Glen Beck's reading of "Atlas Shrugged"."

I would suggest that maybe the Weather Underground was making a comeback. A return to the days of Rage. Ayers was convinced the revolution was just around the corner.

But they preferred bombs to guns. They should have stuck to guns.

#92 | Posted by madbomber at 2014-06-09 05:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

I always thought of Ayers as a "soft" terrorist, sorta like Grover Norquist ------ but with some balls.

Irrelevant iether way, (obviously).

#93 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2014-06-09 05:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

Every ------- I know is damaged.
Take for instance the "don't tread on me" license plates. These dweebs pay a premium as an anti government statement, of which proceeds go to the "government"!

It's a special kind of stupid. Is this what we have to look forward to in the 21st century?

#94 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2014-06-09 05:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I always thought of Ayers as a "soft" terrorist, sorta like Grover Norquist ------ but with some balls."

Soft in that he never bothered to sober up for long enough to employ the bombmaking skills he learned as a guest of the Warsaw Pact?

Refresh my memory.

Where did GN ever place an explosive device with the intent to kill?

Or is it that killing judges and bankers is OK....Days of rage and all...

"It's a special kind of stupid. Is this what we have to look forward to in the 21st century?"

I think your special kind of stupid is more than adequate.

#95 | Posted by madbomber at 2014-06-09 09:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

I guess the big takeaway is the non-progressives have adopted non-violence as a means of influencing political policy? About 100 years after progressives adopted the same policy?

#96 | Posted by madbomber at 2014-06-09 09:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

On his Facebook page, Jerad Miller said that he attended Kennewick High School in Kennewick, Wash., and married Amanda in September, 2012. He posted several pictures of the Bible and of Elvis Presley, as well as pictures of a gold-plated semiautomatic gun that belonged to the singer and was on display at an Elvis museum in Las Vegas. In his news feed, he shared an anti-government cartoon that pokes fun at domestic spying and drones, and wrote in the caption, "Do you think anyone recognizes the nation D.C. hath made?"

Amanda Miller wrote that she was from Lafayette, Ind., and attended Jefferson High School there. She listed her job as head of the needlework department at Hobby Lobby.

Jerad Miller was at the Cliven Bundy ranch, warning officers not to use violence against supporters of the controversial Nevada rancher.

Neighbors of the Millers said they held white supremacist views and boasted about being on the Bundy ranch. They also reportedly expressed a desire to kill police officers.

"They were handing out white-power propaganda and were talking about doing the next Columbine," neighbor Brandon Moore told the Las Vegas Sun.

Guns, Bible, Bundy, Hobby Lobby...

Knowing this, is it in any way surprising they shot cops?

On the bright side, it does show the GOP has had some success in reaching out to youth.

#97 | Posted by northguy3 at 2014-06-09 10:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

I would suggest that maybe the Weather Underground was making a comeback.
#92 | Posted by madbomber

Swing and a miss....

#98 | Posted by northguy3 at 2014-06-09 10:20 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

Swing and a miss....

Gosh, don't we pine for the good old days when it was progressives bombing non-progressives?

Where did the time go?

#99 | Posted by madbomber at 2014-06-09 10:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Neighbors of the Millers said they held white supremacist views and boasted about being on the Bundy ranch. They also reportedly expressed a desire to kill police officers."

Which is totally different from the black supremacist movements associated with the WU, and their expressed desire to kill cops...

#100 | Posted by madbomber at 2014-06-09 10:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

His Facebook "likes" include The Patriot Party, NRA, U.S. conservative politicians Rand and Ron Paul, and Operation "American Spring," which is described as an event that was staged for May 2014 with the aim to "restore our Ninth and Tenth Amendment laws to FULL FORCE and AFFECT to return all of the Federal usurpation of powers and spending back to the States and the people."
Jerad's Facebook profile photo is associated with the growing antigovernment "Patriot" movement, where groups define themselves as opposed to the "New World Order" or a global plan of government to strip citizens' of their rights.

Which is totally different from the black supremacist movements associated with the WU,

Gee, you do realize that you are reaching half a century back to spin these rightwing terrorists into nice people, don't you? Bad as the guys who see "Black Panthers" every time a black kid picks up a baseball bat.

#101 | Posted by northguy3 at 2014-06-09 10:38 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

And people wonder why the DoJ reinstated the domestic terrorism unit. All the Bundy ranch wackos should be put under a microscope now.

#49 | Posted by bored

Obama should have listened to me when I suggested here a couple of Hell-fire armed Apache helicopters could have sorted out the Bundy issue pretty quickly. And those cops and other guy would be alive and well.

That's the problem with terrorists. If you don't smack 'em down hard enough, they think they won and move on to bigger things.

#102 | Posted by northguy3 at 2014-06-09 10:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Guns are only necessary to fight other guns"

Yup... that's the point of having concealed carry. Case closed.

#103 | Posted by sames1 at 2014-06-09 10:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

Jared Miller was interviewed at the Cliven Bundy standoff two months ago, hinting that he was ready for a violent confrontation with those nasty federales. Doesn't sound like a lefty to me.

NW

He is a domestic terrorist.

The FBI now has cause to go through every video of that event and have a "talking to" each and every one of them.

#104 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-06-09 11:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

#104: You do realize you just provided the justification of every nut-job out there, right?

#105 | Posted by Daniel at 2014-06-09 11:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

So I suppose every cop is evil until they get shot by someone with a CCW permit, then they are heroes dieing in the line of duty? Did I get it right?

#106 | Posted by mariosanchez at 2014-06-10 05:44 AM | Reply | Flag:

Obama should have listened to me when I suggested here a couple of Hell-fire armed Apache helicopters could have sorted out the Bundy issue pretty quickly. And those cops and other guy would be alive and well.
That's the problem with terrorists. If you don't smack 'em down hard enough, they think they won and move on to bigger things.

#102 | POSTED BY NORTHGUY3 AT 2014-06-09 10:45 PM | FLAG:

You would have missed them. They were kicked off the ranch for being too crazy.

#107 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2014-06-10 07:48 AM | Reply | Flag:

What has been confirmed is these 2 gun lickers were at the Bundy ranch.

Confirming that there were some seriously depraved deluded dummies in that sick mob.

#44 | Posted by 88120rob at 2014

and you're ignorant of current events...these two were run off by the people at the ranch...

take notes if you can't keep up.

#108 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-06-10 11:21 AM | Reply | Flag:

AKFunable,

As Governor, Reagan closed many of California's nuthouses, releasing the patients to the streets. This has become a national trend. Those that aren't on the streets are in prison instead of mental institutions where they belong. 60 minutes did a story on this problem last might.

#65 | Posted by nutcase at 2

Okay..I accept your point....but it's also a fact that liberal policies keep people like this on the street or at least unknown to authorities that could do something about it.

#109 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-06-10 11:24 AM | Reply | Flag:

but there is good news for many of you here..

you and the media have FINALLY found who you've been THIRSTING for when there's a shooting anywhere..

congrats.....and the problem you're having now is LASTAMERICANS" absolutely logical link to domestic terrorists who are now influential with teaching your children as AYERS as a direct link to common core.

dailycaller.com

#110 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-06-10 11:28 AM | Reply | Flag:

Wow, the posts here are very interesting.

It is odd that people who might otherwise appear rationale on the onside, are completely emotional and utterly illogical on inside. That these people can be so easily fooled by the mass media propaganda and partisan politics that they can take a point-of-view of American reality that is 180 degrees from the truth.

Liberals are amazing!

#111 | Posted by danv at 2014-06-10 02:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

Tea party patriots turned terrorist.

Where's FOX and their Bundy cheerleaders now?

#112 | Posted by drewl at 2014-06-10 03:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

Mental balance is reflected in the eyes

www.google.com

I'm sure that all sanpaku are not about to kill, but there is too much correlation to ignore.

#113 | Posted by FlyUntied at 2014-06-10 03:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

Could we deny this dude a firearm based on his eyes?

www.huffingtonpost.com

#114 | Posted by FlyUntied at 2014-06-10 03:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

Wait this one is better-

www.google.com

Can we not scientifically key on some of these facial features?

#115 | Posted by FlyUntied at 2014-06-10 04:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

Tea party patriots turned terrorist.

Where's FOX and their Bundy cheerleaders now?

#112 | Posted by drewl at 2014-06-10 03:34 PM | Reply | Flag

Who said they were tea party patriots?
WTF the FOX news have to do with anything? Does FOX rub you the wrong way because they have a different point of view on the news of the day? If so how very totalitarian of you, what happened to freedom of speech and freedom of the press?

And since you apparently don't read well, these 2 were KICKED OFF the Bundy ranch for promoting violence.

P.S. Go FOX news!

#116 | Posted by danv at 2014-06-10 05:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

#104: You do realize you just provided the justification of every nut-job out there, right?

#105 | Posted by Daniel

You do realize that THEY just provided the justifications for the FBI to investigate every nut-job out there who are even remotely affiliated with these two individuals by their actions and their deeds and the social media breadcrumbs they left behind...right?

I had absolutely nothing to do with it other than to predict the effect of their "revolution".

#117 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-06-10 07:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

you and the media have FINALLY found who you've been THIRSTING for when there's a shooting anywhere..

Oh babbles you are so cute standing there in your blind hypocrisy.

Someone posts an example of obvious extreme right wing terrorism (not the first example and I am sure it won't be the last) and you claim we have been THIRSTING for this.

Yeah, thats right.

We liberals have just been waiting and longing for this to happen to prove you personally wrong.

Here is a an interesting fact:

In fact, since 9/11 extremists affiliated with a variety of far-right wing ideologies, including white supremacists, anti-abortion extremists and anti-government militants, have killed more people in the United States than have extremists motivated by al Qaeda's ideology. According to a count by the New America Foundation, right wing extremists have killed 34 people in the United States for political reasons since 9/11. (The total includes the latest shootings in Kansas, which are being classified as a hate crime).
www.cnn.com

NOTE: This does not include the most recent Las Vegas Freedoming event.
ALSO NOTE: terrorism motivated by al Qaeda ideology is not "left-wing"

And do we need to remind you that the worst ever act of domestic American left-wing or right-wing terrorism was right-wing terrorism:

The Oklahoma City bombing of 1995.

Now I challenge you to list any left wing terrorism in America during that same time period that is even remotely similar.

I am having trouble finding any examples of left wing terrorism to match.. Maybe you can help? I know you like to hang out on those loonie right wing conspiracy sites (leaving those tasty breadcrumbs for the FBI).

Speaking of which I feel sorry for any of those folks who gleefully "liked" these loonies tunes facebook rantings. (actually...come to think of it...I don't feel sorry at all)

#118 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-06-10 07:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Now I challenge you to list any left wing terrorism in America during that same time period that is even remotely similar."

Do you want to tally how many people have died in the US due to left wing violence vs. non-left wing violence. And that's really what it is. Left-wing violence was perpetrated as a catalyst for revolution or to force a change in policy. I don't know that anti-abortionists and white supremacists share a common goal. the only thing they have in common is that they are not left-leaning.

#119 | Posted by madbomber at 2014-06-10 09:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I am having trouble finding any examples of left wing terrorism to match."

"markhumphrys.com"

The above link take you to a site that details the various forms of terrorism and their impact.

#120 | Posted by madbomber at 2014-06-10 09:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

What I found to be very interesting is that the number of deaths attributed to Jewish extremists (77) is far higher than those attributed to White Supremacists (12).

#121 | Posted by madbomber at 2014-06-10 09:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

What I found to be very interesting is that the number of deaths attributed to Jewish extremists (77) is far higher than those attributed to White Supremacists (12).

#121 | Posted by madbomber

Ooh you just made the list

#122 | Posted by FlyUntied at 2014-06-10 11:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

they watch Alex Jones and "read" InfoWars.
...causes severe paranoia.

#123 | Posted by ichiro at 2014-06-10 11:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

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