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Thursday, June 05, 2014

Four people were shot and one has died in a shooting on the campus of Seattle Pacific University Thursday afternoon. Police say one suspect is in custody. The university posted online that "the campus is in lockdown due to a shooting at Otto Miller Hall." About 4,000 students attend the Christian university about 10 minutes from downtown Seattle.

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Time to play Rush to Judgment: I predict it will be a student at that college hearing voices, unmotivated by politics or dating troubles, and the reports of a second suspect in custody will turn out to be an unrelated person.

#1 | Posted by rcade at 2014-06-05 07:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

Twitter messages within one mile of shooting location:

twitter.com

#2 | Posted by rcade at 2014-06-05 07:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

Time to play Rush to Judgment:

I predict it will be someone exercising their god-given right to walk around armed to the teeth for no good reason and with no questions asked.

#3 | Posted by censored at 2014-06-05 07:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

I predict Zack will be here with a bucket full of talking points.

#4 | Posted by REDIAL at 2014-06-05 07:33 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 2

Twitter post from area: "SPU Math Prof. Brian Gill heard shots outside bldg, looked out window, saw man face down on sidewalk. Appeared to have been shot in face."

Another: "Building where #SPUshooting happened was inside where hard sciences/physics takes place."

#5 | Posted by rcade at 2014-06-05 07:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

I predict it will be someone exercising their god-given right to walk around armed to the teeth for no good reason and with no questions asked.

#3 | POSTED BY CENSORED AT 2014-06-05 07:32 PM | FLAG:

Without looking it up, I'd predict it was an unlawful carry in a Gun Free Zone.

#6 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2014-06-05 07:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

How many white people have to die before something is done about gun control?

#7 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2014-06-05 07:45 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

I predict redial will add nothing to any gun thread, ever.

#8 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-06-05 07:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

I really hate to say it but these types of shootings are beginning to seem pretty routine. Unless a shooter gets upwards of 20-40 victims it is almost not news and I am not saying that to be disrespectful of these victims nor to be funny in any way.

#9 | Posted by danni at 2014-06-05 07:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

I predict that the intellectual educator Glenn Beck will be on air shortly to correctly proclaim that Glenn Beck University has NEVER had a campus shooting.

#10 | Posted by SammyAZ_RI at 2014-06-05 07:54 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

Most of you are terrible at Rush to Judgment.

#11 | Posted by rcade at 2014-06-05 07:59 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 3

Where these the "Open Carry" guys the NRA just apologized to?

#12 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2014-06-05 07:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

KIRO is reporting that the gunman entered the building, shot four people and was taken down by school staffers when he was reloading.

#13 | Posted by rcade at 2014-06-05 08:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

*yawn* another SHOOTING incident.

This is America.

There is nothing we can do except buy and sell more guns.

#14 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-06-05 08:01 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

...when he was reloading.

Ammo limit? I thought the criminals already had illegal, oversized magazines?

#15 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-05 08:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

I use too live very close to SPU their was a person who lived couple of blocks away from their who had mental problems and would come out at night on to his porch and scream out as loud as he could that "you all are going to Die" over and over again.
I doubt that person is the shooter but still I cant help but wonder

#16 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2014-06-05 08:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

This just in: science proves that guns allow a civilian to kill greater numbers and with greater ease than any other tool available.

#17 | Posted by Tor at 2014-06-05 08:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

This just in: science proves that guns allow a civilian to kill greater numbers and with greater ease than any other tool available.
#17 | POSTED BY TOR AT 2014-06-05 08:09 PM | FLAG:

Nuclear bomb.

Check mate.

#18 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-06-05 08:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

I thought the criminals already had illegal, oversized magazines?
#15 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11

No they just carry more mags....

My RtJ is he failed some Science/Engineering final, or out of the school, and came back for "revenge".

#19 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-06-05 08:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

Nuclear bomb.
Check mate.

#18 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

Tanks! Something I can actually get my hands on....

#20 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-06-05 08:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

Photo from inside the hall with police, a gun on the floor:

pbs.twimg.com

#21 | Posted by rcade at 2014-06-05 08:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

Or 1-100 odds its Punchy's crazy guy....

#22 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-06-05 08:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

Cigs.

#23 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-06-05 08:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

Hey, if Iran can buy one from the North Koreans then so can I.

#24 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-06-05 08:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

Desperate Nation Tries Getting On Board With Mass Shootings

www.theonion.com

#25 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2014-06-05 08:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

‘No Way To Prevent This,' Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens

www.theonion.com

#26 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2014-06-05 08:17 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Hey, if Iran can buy one from the North Koreans then so can I.
#24 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

In Cali we have to go through an FFL to get one of those nukes.... unlike a Tank!

#27 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-06-05 08:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

@ CLOWNSHACK

Nuclear bomb = hard to get

guns = relative ease

checkmate. ;)

#28 | Posted by Tor at 2014-06-05 08:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

I will predict that it will be another dem obama voter like the Giffords shooter.

#29 | Posted by MSgt at 2014-06-05 08:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

Nuclear bomb = hard to get
guns = relative ease
checkmate. ;)

#28 | POSTED BY TOR

Knives are easier...... .check...

#30 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-06-05 08:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

Knives have serious range limits and aren't as effective in most people's hands.

#31 | Posted by Tor at 2014-06-05 08:26 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

MSGT giffords shooter was a registered independent who hated Obama and all who support gun control.

As for knives vs guns most of the dying at Normandy sure as ---- had nothing to do with knives.

And you know why?

Because as a general guns are FAR more effective.

#32 | Posted by Tor at 2014-06-05 08:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

Tanks! Something I can actually get my hands on....

#20 | Posted by AndreaMackris

I know you can own tanks...which I think is very cool actually...but can you own tanks that fire live ammo?

#33 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-06-05 08:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

As for knives vs guns most of the dying at Normandy sure as ---- had nothing to do with knives.
And you know why?

Because as a general guns are FAR more effective.

#32 | POSTED BY TOR

I don't know the people of Hiroshima might disagree with you..... in fact you inadvertently made the case for nukes...

CHECKMATE.....

#34 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-06-05 08:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

but can you own tanks that fire live ammo?

#33 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

www.site.ww2mv.com

Gotta defend those crops! ;)

#35 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-06-05 08:34 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

giffords shooter was a registered independent who hated Obama and all who support gun control.

Jared Loughner is a paranoid schizophrenic. He wasn't motivated by politics, aside from hating all government and believing a bunch of conspiracy theories.

#36 | Posted by rcade at 2014-06-05 08:39 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

29 | Posted by MSgt at

You do know that is not true dont you?
typical Republican liar

The Gifford shooter had no political leaning the reports that he did turned out to be typical Repub lies

#37 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2014-06-05 08:42 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

Darn Rcade beat me to it!

#38 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2014-06-05 08:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

www.site.ww2mv.com

Gotta defend those crops! ;)

#35 | Posted by AndreaMackris

Nice! That will stop them varmints and them revenuers from raiding my crops!

#39 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-06-05 08:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

From a Seattle reporter on Twitter: "Student Briana Clarke said fellow student Jon Meis was a hero. Sprayed mace at gunman, grabbed neck and wrestled to ground. Held for police."

#40 | Posted by rcade at 2014-06-05 08:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

www.facebook.com

www.youtube.com

#41 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-05 08:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

How many white people have to die before something is done about gun control?

#7 | POSTED BY LEE_THE_AGENT

Dunno, sounds like a PR issue to me. Better sensationalize it some more, drum up some ads like..


Are you Sad and Lonely?
Not getting much attention in your life?
Hear voices in your head?

The solution is right around the corner at your local gun shop. We promise to promote your name and life story 'ad nauseum' until you have all the attention you wish*."

*This ad is not an endorsement for illegal action, just a fervent hope.


Then again, the media salivates at this kind of stuff so as a whole they are the last ones to want to see this go away since it's a cash cow for their demographics.

#42 | Posted by Lohocla at 2014-06-05 08:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

The media doesn't kill people. People who read the media kill people.

#43 | Posted by rcade at 2014-06-05 08:57 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Freedom isn't free.

#44 | Posted by apparatchik at 2014-06-05 08:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

#40

From a Seattle reporter on Twitter: "Student Briana Clarke said fellow student Bob was a hero. Whipped car antenna at gunman, grabbed neck and wrestled to ground. Held for police."

FTFY

#45 | Posted by apparatchik at 2014-06-05 08:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

I predict God will be blamed for letting his school get shot up.

#7 Lee, you are encourageable, son.

ff

#46 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-05 09:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

Its kind of disgusting that these shootings... err, murders (sorry, forgot we're not using that word now) occur so frequently that we're already joking about them.

#47 | Posted by apparatchik at 2014-06-05 09:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

More from 2010 on Jon Meis, the reported hero:

www.komonews.com

#48 | Posted by rcade at 2014-06-05 09:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

His Linked In bio describes him as a teaching assistant and security desk monitor at SPU:

www.linkedin.com

#49 | Posted by rcade at 2014-06-05 09:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

Students Tackle Suspect in Deadly School Shooting

www.boston.com

#50 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-05 09:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

ANDREAMACKRIS

You could see for yourself I was comparing guns and knives in that post.

#51 | Posted by Tor at 2014-06-05 09:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

Its kind of disgusting that these shootings... err, murders (sorry, forgot we're not using that word now) occur so frequently that we're already joking about them.

#47 | POSTED BY APPARATCHIK

Wasn't a joke about the incident, just the medial response to it.

#52 | Posted by Lohocla at 2014-06-05 09:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

media too.

#53 | Posted by Lohocla at 2014-06-05 09:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

Wait a second.

Someone attacked a group that included an on duty student/security guard who had pepper spray with him?

#54 | Posted by Tor at 2014-06-05 09:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

How Jon Meis describes his campus security job on Linked In: "Ensure a safe and productive study environment."

#55 | Posted by rcade at 2014-06-05 09:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

Someone attacked a group that included an on duty student/security guard who had pepper spray with him?

It sounds like the shooter walked into the hall and began shooting, so there might have been a security monitor at a desk near that entry.

#56 | Posted by rcade at 2014-06-05 09:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

Meis' Facebook likes include the following:

GrabAGun.Com
KelTecWeapons.Com
Remington Arms Company
Savage Arms
National Rifle Association
Kinetic Concealment
AIM Surplus
Mossberg & Sons

www.facebook.com

#57 | Posted by rcade at 2014-06-05 09:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

All that and Meis will be best known for defeating a gunman with pepper spray.

#58 | Posted by Tor at 2014-06-05 09:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

Nothing GOOD ever comes from guns ...NOTHING

Guns are the cause of death and injury, the world would be a better place without guns and the folks who worship guns

No one is exempt from the carnage, not even John Kennedy, Ronald Reagan, Abraham Lincoln, Robert Kennedy, Harvey Milk or Martin Luther King

#59 | Posted by SammyAZ_RI at 2014-06-05 09:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

Nothing GOOD ever comes from guns ...NOTHING

I dunno about that... I got some nice bear meat and a cool rug for the cabin and some wonderful memories hunting with my dad once.

#60 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-06-05 09:32 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1


Time to play Rush to Judgment:

I predict it will be someone exercising their god-given right to walk around armed to the teeth for no good reason and with no questions asked.

#3 | Posted by censored

Which has never led to a shooting.

#61 | Posted by LastAmerican at 2014-06-05 09:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

The difference between guns and a knife is that the people who are stabbed usually survive and the people who are shot with guns are dead.

therefore

guns kill people

knives injure people

knives have other uses such as cutting carrots

guns don't have any other use besides killing things

therefore

knives are a tool and guns kill people

logic wins.

#62 | Posted by pragmatous at 2014-06-05 09:54 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1


logic wins.

#62 | Posted by pragmatous

Except when the lunatics stop using guns (because they are taken away ) and start using bombs.

Yes, logic wins.

#63 | Posted by LastAmerican at 2014-06-05 10:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

Typical republican using hyperbole. Exaggerations to scare people.

#64 | Posted by pragmatous at 2014-06-05 10:03 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

People get shot all of the time and live. Any claim to the contrary is horrifyingly stupid.

#65 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-06-05 10:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

Nothing GOOD ever comes from guns ...NOTHING

Except for that happy place feeling you can only get from blasting an old television

#66 | Posted by justanoversight at 2014-06-05 10:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

Was this school a gun free zone?

#67 | Posted by boaz at 2014-06-05 10:50 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1


Typical republican using hyperbole. Exaggerations to scare people.

#64 | Posted by pragmatous

You use the word hyperbole when more people are killed in Chicago only than all of the "mass shootings".

The very label, "Mass Shooting" is hyperbole, don't you think?

Why are these called mass shootings and a bombing is called terrorism?

I think you'd better think before using words you don't understand.

#68 | Posted by LastAmerican at 2014-06-05 10:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

guns don't have any other use besides killing things

False. Blowing up inanimate objects with firearms is fun and a productive way of venting.

knives injure people

False. And you obviously do not know how to maintain a knife edge.

logic wins.

I am glad you have your winning logic and I have mine. Have fun with your stupid city life [...]

#69 | Posted by wurster at 2014-06-05 10:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'll give you 8 gitmo detainees, a babe Ruth rookie card, and a pile of Michelle's back hair for the shooter! Deal?
Sincerely,
B-Rock

#71 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-06-05 11:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

This is America.

There is nothing we can do except buy and sell more guns.

*yawn* this is the Drudge Retort.

There is nothing we can do except trade the same trite talking points about guns.

Call it a clip. I dare you.

#73 | Posted by jpw at 2014-06-06 01:56 AM | Reply | Flag:

There are over 200 million firearms in civilian hands in the USA, for those who would try and take them- good luck with that. That would more than likely start a civil war.
The elephant in the room is the similarity of these attackers. The one thing they ALL had in common, besides a gun was the use of psycho-active drugs. Look sometime at the warnings and documented side effects, they all state that suicidal/homicidal thoughts are a recognized side effect in a few test subjects. Say this small number is 1%. That means that over 20,000 people will be effected by these drugs in this fashion. There have always been guns in our society, the only constant that has changed is the use of mood altering drugs by a large numbers of the population.

#74 | Posted by docnjo at 2014-06-06 04:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

"There are over 200 million firearms in civilian hands in the USA, for those who would try and take them- good luck with that. That would more than likely start a civil war."

That is exactly what the billionaires, oligarchs and their mouthpieces in the media, and in politics that want millions of sheep disarmed would be wise to believe. Armed Americans will never be a threat to honest responsive government or to oligarchs, unless some perverted whim hits them to disarm and neutralize the political power from 200+ million Americans.

#75 | Posted by Robson at 2014-06-06 09:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

These incidents are sad, but they pale in comparison with the people murdered by officials every day. The difference is that the fascist media doesn't show us that. Protecting power from the masses is their function.

#76 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-06-06 10:39 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

#76 Shawn of the Red said fascist! Drink!

#77 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-06-07 07:08 AM | Reply | Flag:

Is it too late to play Rush to Judgement?

1. Shooter voted for Obama.
2. Shooter on anti-depressants or anti-psychotics recently.
3. Hero was a Republican. Victims were Republicans.
4. Press coverage dries up almost immediately for all those reasons combined with the fact that the shooter used a Biden Boom-stick instead of a more newsworthy "assault weapon".

#78 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-06-07 07:14 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Aaron Ybarra: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know"
Published 10:15 am EDT, June 6, 2014 Updated 12:03 pm EDT, June 6, 2014

heavy.com

#79 | Posted by TrueBlue at 2014-06-07 11:42 AM | Reply | Flag:

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