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New York City Mayor Bill DeBlasio is a backing new legislation that would require pizzerias with coal- and wood-fired ovens to install an air filter to cut down on carbon emissions and other air pollutants. If the law passes, many of the city's oldest pizza establishments will have to shell out $10,000 or more to install a filter on their ovens. City environmental officials say that the law would allow restaurants to stick to tradition while still improving the air quality for those with respiratory problems. Restaurant owners argue that their ovens make only a minute contribution to overall air pollution. Grimaldi's manager Gina Peluso said, "There's worse pollution if you just stand under the Brooklyn Bridge."

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I know you fans of the socialist mayor will tell us it's no big deal, but it does signify the encroaching hands of socialism. I wonder about all the cabs sitting at the traffic lights. Guess they don't have a carbon print ... OR there's some union GOONS that can't be crossed. regardless, here's hoping that sooner rather than later, every voter of his will either have NO pizza or pay twice the price.

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one building that catches fire will put out more carbon as well as toxic fumes then all the wood/coal/whatever fired pizzerias in the entire city could possibly put out in an entire year.

Why isn't he going after those buildings?

#1 | Posted by path at 2014-06-05 06:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

Pizza Pizza !!!

Sincerely,

Little Ceasar.

#2 | Posted by coyote at 2014-06-05 08:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

*Caesar*

#3 | Posted by coyote at 2014-06-05 08:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

but it does signify the encroaching hands of socialism.

First of all, this statement seems to describe just about everything to you.

Unless it's by a Repub POTUS/politician, then it's not even if it's no different than a Dem's actions.

Second, this is absolutely stupid. At some point you'd think the concept of diminishing returns would sink in.

#4 | Posted by jpw at 2014-06-06 12:16 AM | Reply | Flag:

I wonder about all the cabs sitting at the traffic lights.

The emissions of those cabs are regulated. This new law is a good idea, both for the environment and for the health of city residents.

Those ovens collectively are spewing out a lot of pollutants. Like all industries, they should do what's necessary to reduce that.

#5 | Posted by rcade at 2014-06-06 11:14 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 3

Nannystater's love the "for the health of the residents" BS. Whether its thought police, trans fat police, soda police, etc etc etc, these children love when big daddy guberment tells them and us what to do.

#6 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-06-06 11:23 AM | Reply | Flag:

"This new law is a good idea, both for the environment and for the health of city residents."

One has to wonder where Deblasio (and RCADE) for that matter) stand with regard to cigarette smoke? Pot smoke?

What about fireplaces?

#7 | Posted by madbomber at 2014-06-06 11:37 AM | Reply | Flag:

One has to wonder where Deblasio (and RCADE) for that matter) stand with regard to cigarette smoke?

I'm glad most public places and workplaces ban it. But unless people are smoking coal, I fail to see how that's relevant to this issue.

#8 | Posted by rcade at 2014-06-06 12:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

when true totalitarian fascism finally hits the usa, at least the ovens they'll be shoveling the undesirables into won't be polluting the environment...

#9 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-06-06 03:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I'm glad most public places and workplaces ban it. But unless people are smoking coal, I fail to see how that's relevant to this issue."

Does an ounce of coal produce more pollution than an ounce of pot, or an ounce of tobacco, or an ounce of wood?

#10 | Posted by madbomber at 2014-06-06 03:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

Unless it's by a Repub POTUS/politician, then it's not even if it's no different than a Dem's actions.

A Republican wouldn't be going after them. They know there's no need to be worried about small operations like this. But a Democrat is about lifestyle actions. It's so like a nanny state Dem to do something like this..

Does a democrat ever look at the people and not think "What do we need to regulate about them now?"

Another reason I would never go to New York.

#11 | Posted by boaz at 2014-06-06 04:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

This new mayor is on thin ice. Putting a damper on pizza sales is a step too far, you don't get between a New Yorker and his slice.

#12 | Posted by docnjo at 2014-06-06 04:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

Dumb move. You don't mess with people's pizza, or beer.

#13 | Posted by sentinel at 2014-06-06 05:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

Does an ounce of coal produce more pollution than an ounce of pot, or an ounce of tobacco, or an ounce of wood?
#10 | Posted by madbomber

Do you imagine society burns equal amounts of coal, pot, tobacco, and wood?

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-06-06 05:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

Pot and tobacco act as a carbon sink when they grow then release it when smoked. Net carbon is near 0. Wood is the same however because of the long grow cycle for hardwoods the carbon released has been stored over decades and is released all at once. Coal stretches that time period to centuries of carbon released at once.

Wood does release decades of carbon at once so filters are not such a bad idea but realistically in NYC I can't see that amount of wood or coal smoke being an issue compared to all the other sources of pollution.

There is also the issue of changing how a wood oven vents will change how it heats and cooks. That could change the flavor and consistency of wood fired pizza. If that happens then this shops will spend 10k + to become compliant only to go out of business when people stop getting the pizza that no longer has the same taste.

#15 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2014-06-06 07:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

I knew it was an AFKABBABLE post as soon as I read the accompanying paragraph with SOCIALISM(!) and ALL CAPS (scary, momma!)

Leave it to a bad former Texas MS band director to use words he doesn't even know how to define.

#16 | Posted by e1g1 at 2014-06-06 07:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

**** Mayor Bill DeBlasio only dines on Scraps...under the Kosher Table!

#17 | Posted by AntiCadillac at 2014-06-06 07:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

I find it absolutely amazing the liberal --------- New Yorkers endure. I've heard it said 'we get the kind of government we deserve, and deserve the government we get'. DeBlasio, America's first public ally communist mayor. You go NY.

#18 | Posted by lel2007 at 2014-06-06 08:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

Mind numbing proliferation by the State of laws and regulations, besides bewildering the citizen, it also holds the citizen in constant and imminent jeopardy, for at any point in time, the citizen must be in breach of some law or regulation and can be called to account by the State for that breach. You eventually end up with tyranny.

#19 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-06-06 09:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

Then the mayor got on a pollution belching jet and said let them eat pizza.

#20 | Posted by mcmlcxx at 2014-06-06 10:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

Well, either support every regulation no matter the cost versus benefit, or move to Somalia.

#21 | Posted by visitor_ at 2014-06-07 02:19 AM | Reply | Flag:

I find it absolutely amazing the liberal --------- New Yorkers endure.

I think it's amazing that some people want to breathe more coal and wood oven smoke. Why is clean air only a liberal idea? Are Republican kids immune to asthma?

#22 | Posted by rcade at 2014-06-07 10:02 AM | Reply | Flag:

Are Republican kids immune to asthma?

If they have asthma what use to society are they? I had to put my first kid down when I found out he had asthma. My second child is a strong healthy girl I put a coal fireplace in here room but removed the flu to make sure her lungs grew extra strong.

#24 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2014-06-07 10:10 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

DeBlasio going after Pizza in NYC is like Putin going after vodka in Russia. Only one politician in this group is stupid enough to do that.

#25 | Posted by paneocon at 2014-06-07 10:14 AM | Reply | Flag:

Russian and Soviet leaders have regulated vodka, which causes so many deaths in the country it contributes to its birth rate decline:

www.suntimes.com

Gorbachev "raised the drinking age to 21, banned sales of strong alcohol before 2 p.m., increased prices by 50 percent and barred sales near factories, hospitals and other places plagued by drunkenness."

#26 | Posted by rcade at 2014-06-07 10:39 AM | Reply | Flag:

#26 | POSTED BY RCADE

What you forgot about a SALON article. Shame on you.

The secret sauce of Russian autocracy: Vodka (and lots of it)

In Russia, vodka has long been a tool for authoritarian control -- and Russians are paying for it dearly

Russia's demographic wounds were self-inflicted: the culmination of centuries of bad governance through vodka politics. The exhaustive 2009 study in The Lancet concluded that, were it not for vodka, Russia's mortality figures would look more like those of Western Europe instead of resembling war-torn areas of sub-Saharan Africa. Were it not for vodka, Russia could have at least escaped the gut-wrenching post-communist transitions of the 1990s with a healthier population -- more like the Hungarians with their wine or the Czechs with their beer -- instead of being mired in demographic decay.

Meanwhile, the Kremlin seems content to settle for band-aid solutions that treat symptoms of vodka politics rather than the disease. Even while the government undertakes yet another well-intentioned campaign against alcohol, it hypocritically promotes increased vodka production by well-connected insiders. Meanwhile, the finance ministry implores citizens to impale themselves on the bottle for the greater glory of the state.
www.salon.com

#27 | Posted by paneocon at 2014-06-07 10:47 AM | Reply | Flag:

Yeah, we are just like Russia!

#28 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-06-07 10:57 AM | Reply | Flag:

Since NYC has collectively decided to be just cast extras on the Bravo network, they should ban pizza altogether. It's just too many carbs, and that's a lot of real estate that can be freed up to sell seaweed smoothies and mani-pedis.

#29 | Posted by WhiteDevil at 2014-06-07 11:02 AM | Reply | Flag:

I think anything above an 8" pizza should be banned. So you get an 8" pizza and a 16 oz drink and you are ok. Buy a 12" pizza and a 32 oz drink and you have two felony counts.

#30 | Posted by sames1 at 2014-06-07 01:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

I don't know why anyone cares what nonsense the Mayor of New York is doing, unless you live there. What's good for New York is never going to translate to the rest of the country. But, it's fun to make fun of him.

Regulating the environment immediate to New York makes sense to me. Regulating the health of the people who patronize restaurants in the city is stupid and overreaching. Most of those people don't even live there!

#31 | Posted by LastAmerican at 2014-06-07 02:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Do you imagine society burns equal amounts of coal, pot, tobacco, and wood?"

Who do you think creates more pollution? The handful of Pizza restaurants, or the pot/tobacco smokers of NYC?

But think about this. If you can regulate a coal fired oven, why not a coal fired grill? No more cookouts in NYC? What about propane grills? Pellet grills? Wood burning smokers?

You're playing the devil's advocate, as usual, but you have to admit that this idea is pretty stupid.

#32 | Posted by madbomber at 2014-06-07 05:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Then the mayor got on a pollution belching jet and said let them eat pizza."

He had to be at Jane Fonda's award ceremony.

#33 | Posted by madbomber at 2014-06-07 05:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

The hypocrisy and double standard is always the kicker when it comes to such politics.

There is the obvious USA pollution and environmental stress caused by the population growth of an unlimited (or is it infinite?) number of illegal immigrants and temporary workers, and my guess is Mr. NYC Mayor and the DNC and USA Chamber of Commerce cares not one iota about all of the above.

They have a political operative pass that they use to make headlines and go after the small time pizza oven owners, which is a diversion against the real bad guys. There are some real bad guys when it comes to expanding environmental pollution and they always buy off Congress, Mayors, EPA and POTUS.

#34 | Posted by Robson at 2014-06-07 06:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

What's good for New York is never going to translate to the rest of the country.
#31 | Posted by LastAmerican

Except pretty much every social and cultural trend of the last 100 or so years, except those that came from California.
You really do live in a bubble, don't you?

#35 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2014-06-07 06:47 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Another reason I would never go to New York.

#11 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Good...don't want you in NY....

#36 | Posted by drewinnj at 2014-06-07 06:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

#27 | POSTED BY PANEOCON AT 2014-06-07 10:47 AM | FLAG: Only difference is here the dems/libs/progs push marijuana as the preferred method to keep the amasses placated as high sheeple are so easily led.

#37 | Posted by MSgt at 2014-06-07 07:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

Who do you think creates more pollution? The handful of Pizza restaurants, or the pot/tobacco smokers of NYC?

Handful of pizza restaurants?

#38 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-06-07 07:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

#27 | POSTED BY PANEOCON AT 2014-06-07 10:47 AM | FLAG: Only difference is here the dems/libs/progs push marijuana as the preferred method to keep the amasses placated as high sheeple are so easily led.
#37 | Posted by MSgt

The sheeple doth protest too much, methinks.

Listen to the tapes, Nixon was terrified of marijuana. Do you know why? He was worried that when people get high, they think about things.

#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-06-07 07:50 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

#27 | POSTED BY PANEOCON AT 2014-06-07 10:47 AM | FLAG: Only difference is here the dems/libs/progs push marijuana as the preferred method to keep the amasses placated as high sheeple are so easily led.

#37 | POSTED BY MSGT

yep...coming from someone who think Palin is smart. since you don't smoke pot, has to be because you're an natural idtiot..but hey, like attracts

#40 | Posted by drewinnj at 2014-06-07 08:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

Why can't politicians' leave the people alone. First going after sodas and now Pizzas - its pretty clear its raining totalitarianism.

#41 | Posted by xyzpdq at 2014-06-07 11:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

yep...coming from someone who think Palin is smart. since you don't smoke pot, has to be because you're an natural idtiot..but hey, like attracts

#40 | POSTED BY DREWINNJ AT 2014-06-07 08:20 PM | FLAG: Would you like me to interpret your dismally vague and pathetically unclear idea of what you think you want to say? --- LOL

#42 | Posted by MSgt at 2014-06-08 01:41 AM | Reply | Flag:

when people get high, they think about things.

#39 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2014-06-07 07:50 PM | FLAG: | NEWSWORTHY 1
YES, so many 'great' thoughts come from people when they are high as they accomplish so much. AND, just for the record, I do not have a problem with those smoking on their own time - just with those coming to work high.

#43 | Posted by MSgt at 2014-06-08 01:45 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1


Except pretty much every social and cultural trend of the last 100 or so years, except those that came from California.
You really do live in a bubble, don't you?
#35 | Posted by TFDNihilist

very funny.

These government imposed cultural and social changes. The social and cultural changes you speak of are because of the free market!

Loony government forced changes are being laughed at. This is why it will never translate.

#44 | Posted by LastAmerican at 2014-06-08 09:33 AM | Reply | Flag:

I knew it was an AFKABBABLE post as soon as I read the accompanying paragraph with SOCIALISM(!) and ALL CAPS (scary, momma!)

Leave it to a bad former Texas MS band director to use words he doesn't even know how to define.

#16 | Posted by e1g1 at 201

the mayor is an admitted socialist...if you were intelligent even a little perhaps you could read that..or get some help in understanding the words...

all caps..sorry if that offends your delicate sensibilities...please don't tell your mommy on me..

as to my profession...send me an email and tell me where you heard my bands or perhaps where you read someone else talking about how 'bad' I was...otherwise, you have no business making that comment. Feel free to send that information to my private email.

#45 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-06-08 11:39 AM | Reply | Flag:

What's good for New York is never going to translate to the rest of the country.
#31 | Posted by LastAmerican

Except pretty much every social and cultural trend of the last 100 or so years, except those that came from California.
You really do live in a bubble, don't you?

#35 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2014-

yeah but you see we have the answer to this all planned....

global warming will drown new york and any day now california will slide into the pacific....

lol

#46 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-06-08 11:44 AM | Reply | Flag:

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