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A real gun was found bu an employee in the toy aisle of a Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, Target store Friday night. The gun, which was loaded, was found by a store loss prevention officer on top of a superhero Playskool toy box. "I don't think someone would accidentally drop off a gun," shopper Kennedy McClain said. "I think he purposely left it there for a child to pick up and think, 'Oh it's a toy gun,' and accidentally point it at somebody and it goes off." Police released a photo of a man sought in connection with the incident.

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There are no boundaries for gun-nuts ...none

This is just more prof that nothing good ever comes from guns

#1 | Posted by SammyAZ_RI at 2014-06-05 05:23 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

Don't know what that gun was doing their.

99% sure someone deserves to go to jail.

#2 | Posted by Tor at 2014-06-05 05:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

He was just trying to help children overcome their hoplophobia.

#3 | Posted by censored at 2014-06-05 05:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

Check the one at fault:

NRA
Gun
Target
Teaparty
GOP
Bush
Cheney
Rush
Maniac

#4 | Posted by Greatamerican at 2014-06-05 05:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

I usually like to laugh at the paranoia of gun nuts but I have to say that this sounds like someone was trying to create another sensational shooting involving a child and that person is almost certainly not pro-gun ownership.

#5 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-05 05:55 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"There are no boundaries for gun-nuts ...none"

How do you know it was a gun-nut (sic), whatever that is?

Many people, both crazy and sane own guns. The man pictured doesn't have gun-nut written on him anywhere, if he's guilty...

"This is just more prof that nothing good ever comes from guns"

I guess self-defense is a bad thing. You can believe whatever you want, but that doesn't give you the right to take rights away from others.

#6 | Posted by LEgregius at 2014-06-05 06:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

#5 | POSTED BY SULLY AT 2014-06-05 05:55 PM | FLAG:

Even though I'm not usually a conspiracy/false flag believer, I thought the same thing. It was freaking sitting on a Playskool toy box! That does seem deliberate and it certainly doesn't sound like something someone who defends guns would do.

Anyone checked on Sammy_SC's alibi during this incident?

#7 | Posted by bartimus at 2014-06-05 06:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

According to some, this gun presented no danger whatsoever.
Salamandagator would tell you himself, if he were here.

#8 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-06-05 06:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

Lugar 9mm C9 worth around $200... If I found it, I would be tempted to keep it, but being a hand gun it could have been involved in a crime, so... I guess I would call the cops too.

#9 | Posted by sames1 at 2014-06-05 06:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

Notice how many people the gun killed?
But i guess it just was sleeping or laying in wait and forgot it's purpose. I mean there is no way a gun could be inanimate right? I mean they are so incredibly dangerous by themselves i guess this one was just defective.

But actually i am with sully on this one. It was no accident. This seems like an attempt to create an incident.

If nothing else, it was a freaking high point. But if you are just going to throw it anyways go cheap. Obviously not a gun guy, a child would have a very difficult time even pulling the trigger let alone operating the safety if it were on.

#10 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-06-05 06:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

I predict we're going to find out this was done out of spectacular thoughtlessness, not a desire to cause an accidental shooting.

#11 | Posted by rcade at 2014-06-05 07:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

I mean they are so incredibly dangerous by themselves i guess this one was just defective.

You really like to take pro-gun rhetoric far beyond common sense. Of course a loaded gun left unattended in a public place is dangerous by itself. Trying to stretch the language to say otherwise is absurd.

It doesn't even have to be intentionally used to kill somebody. How many times has some dope out shopping dropped his loaded gun and it discharged?

#12 | Posted by rcade at 2014-06-05 07:08 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

It doesn't even have to be intentionally used to kill somebody. How many times has some dope out shopping dropped his loaded gun and it discharged?

#12 | POSTED BY RCADE AT 2014-06-05 07:08 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Uhm, none that I've ever heard of. Every accidental discharge I've heard of involved a trigger actuation. Maybe if you dropped your late 1800s collectors piece, or a heavily modified, competition race pistol...

Pistols are drop tested for a reason, to make sure accidental discharges do not occur from simply fumbling them. It's actually a requirement to sell them in a lot of places.

#13 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2014-06-05 07:34 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

#13 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

Tell that to the this kid's victims:

A gun in a 10th-grader's backpack discharged Tuesday when he dropped the bag, wounding two students at a high school, including one who remained in critical condition, police said.
www.pressherald.com

#14 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-05 07:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Uhm, none that I've ever heard of."

www.google.com

I don't know much (hardly anything) about guns but I do read the newspaper and my memory still functions. Over the years I've read of many case just like RCADE described.

#15 | Posted by danni at 2014-06-05 07:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Of course a loaded gun left unattended in a public place is dangerous by itself. "

And so this one was defective? I did not read where it was able to do anything by itself. The paranoia of those afflicted with irrational fear knows no bounds. Talk about absurd, i guess a hill, a curd, a small pond, a rock, a stick, a discarded tire, a used water bottle are all dangerous too then right? I mean there can be no dispute that by your logic inanimate objects incapable of any action by themselves can be considered dangerous and if that is so to only apply that to a gun is incredibly hypocritical.

#16 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-06-05 07:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I predict we're going to find out this was done out of spectacular thoughtlessness, not a desire to cause an accidental shooting."

I think that is incredibly unlikely. Think about it, you think it was a thoughtless move to remove a concealed weapon and place it on a toy, what could possibly be the reason? It would make no sense whatsoever. In a bathroom or on a desk you could consider it a possibility but the chances of it happening like it did are pretty much the definition of impossible. Add to that it is not a carry gun, it is not a gun guy gun and it is not a reliable self defense weapon and you would have to have a scenario which is downright absurd.

That said it makes perfect sense that the gun control nuts, with a long history of dancing on the graves of the dead, would pull something like this. Maybe not to have a child killed but to create a false scenario to drum up more emotional outrage which is the only ammunition they have against reason.

I think i will lean towards the possible and likely scenario, but you can keep your practically impossible scenario if you so wish.

#17 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-06-05 07:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

Uhm, none that I've ever heard of.

Legal permit holder accidentally drops gun at Walmart, injures 4:

www.cbsnews.com

There are dropped gun stories all the time in the news.

#18 | Posted by rcade at 2014-06-05 07:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

I don't know much (hardly anything) about guns but I do read the newspaper and my memory still functions.

#15 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2014-06-05 07:40 PM | FLAG:

It's a technical issue. If you fumble a gun and hit the trigger, yeah it's going to fire. Those links and the firearms use indicate a trigger pull, even if unintentional. However, the vast, overwhelming majority of pistols are drop tested and simply can't fire from just a falling impact, including the one in the OP.

Now that said, I'm inclined to agree with Rcade and would assume somebody left it there by accident, which is wildly illegal in SC. They don't have open carry, so if it was legally concealed to begin with, it's unlawful carry when unholstered for no reason.

#19 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2014-06-05 07:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

I think that is incredibly unlikely. ... you can keep your practically impossible scenario if you so wish.

Practically impossible for somebody to set down a loaded gun and forget about it? Happens all the time.

#20 | Posted by rcade at 2014-06-05 07:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

There are dropped gun stories all the time in the news.

#18 | POSTED BY RCADE AT 2014-06-05 07:51 PM | FLAG:

There's a difference between a dropped gun and a negligent discharge. None of the articles investigate that even though they should. There are major gun control laws that govern how to manufacture guns specifically so they do not go off when dropped. Now if you have a way to stop people from trying to catch them, we could probably make a lot of money and improve firearm safety...

#21 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2014-06-05 08:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

There's a difference between a dropped gun and a negligent discharge.

I think when a gun is dropped and it goes off it can be described as a dropped gun. I have trouble believing that in every single one of these cases a trigger was pulled, but if you can prove that go right ahead.

#22 | Posted by rcade at 2014-06-05 08:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

Too bad there isn't a gun registry.

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-06-05 08:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

Somebody call those wacky mythbuster guys.

The one I liked the most is the one where they bust the myth that people get shot while under water. I always knew it was a myth, but I had no idea just how ineffective a bullet was under water until I saw the slo-mo demos. Pretty eye opening.

#24 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-06-05 08:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

I think when a gun is dropped and it goes off it can be described as a dropped gun. I have trouble believing that in every single one of these cases a trigger was pulled, but if you can prove that go right ahead.

#22 | POSTED BY RCADE AT 2014-06-05 08:15 PM | FLAG:

I think a distinction is important. A dropped gun is considered an accident and it is. A gun dropping and firing on its own really is a movie thing though. It would be a mechanical failure on a thoroughly tested product that's subjected to huge shock loads that include being dropped from a moving aircraft onto concrete without an accidental discharge. There is an incredible amount of engineering making sure guns only fire when people make it happen. It's an incredibly exceptional circumstance.

The incidents you and Danni linked all scream to me negligent discharge, which is quite a bit worse and deserves significant penalties. "It just went off!" yeah, cause they were playing with it. In your own linked example, a gun falls out of something designed specifically for it to not fall out, followed by a discharge from something specifically designed not to discharge when dropped. I don't buy it. That's a lie covering a negligent discharge.

#25 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2014-06-05 08:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Yeah cause they were playing with it"I know so many people that have done that,including my son in my house.

#26 | Posted by bruceaz at 2014-06-05 08:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

Clearly, the answer is more guns.

#27 | Posted by cbob at 2014-06-05 09:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

"If nothing else, it was a freaking high point. But if you are just going to throw it anyways go cheap. Obviously not a gun guy, a child would have a very difficult time even pulling the trigger let alone operating the safety if it were on.
#10 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-06-05 06:52 PM"

Really?
So, what are all these multiple, recent instances of children firing guns? Many are only 4 - 6 years old. But then, how likely is it that a 4 - 6 year would ever be wandering the aisles of a toy store?

OTOH, if your point is that this SPECIFIC gun (Luger Model C9 9mm) is safe to have around children, I'd submit that you are unaware of just how creative a young child can be in manipulating "a toy". I also suspect you would not be willing to have a child (yours and/or anyone else's) be left unattended with a loaded version of this gun, even for "a few minutes".

www.google.com

#28 | Posted by TrueBlue at 2014-06-05 10:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

According to some, this gun presented no danger whatsoever.

Considering it didn't jump off the shelf and start shooting people, it highlights rather nicely the fact that a gun in and of itself is not particularly dangerous.

#29 | Posted by jpw at 2014-06-06 12:31 AM | Reply | Flag:

Of course a loaded gun left unattended in a public place is dangerous by itself. Trying to stretch the language to say otherwise is absurd.

Not to play with the language, but if it were left "by itself" a gun would be completely harmless for the reasons of a. no one would be around to pull the trigger and b. no one would be around to get shot.

What is absurd, however, is the apparent lengths to which some of you will go to ignore the fact that a gun requires human action (in the case of many handguns, multiple, intentional human actions) to function. [...]

#30 | Posted by jpw at 2014-06-06 12:40 AM | Reply | Flag:

31.
Bingo, for people who know guns it is called a drop safty that prevents the gun from firing. The only way that it would go off by falling is a persons finger that was in the trigger well where it does not belong trying to catch it or the gun has been messed with by a do it yourselfer gun smith who manipulated the firearm then how it was designed to be by law. There is almost never a accidental discharge, 99.99999% of the time it is a negligent discharge by some idiot not obeying the safty rules. Also this scream set up, I could see one accidentally left on a bathroom toilet, but there is no responsible reason to take a gun out of its holster and place it on a childs toy box. That and no informed gun guy is going to carry a POS throw away gun as was left there. The only people who carry junk guns like that are ---------ers who want a cheap throw away gun you can buy on the streets for under 50 bucks. When they run the serial number and see what FFL sold it and who they sold it to, it will be intresting.

#31 | Posted by zack991 at 2014-06-06 06:53 AM | Reply | Flag:

Ment 21

#32 | Posted by zack991 at 2014-06-06 06:54 AM | Reply | Flag:

The only people who carry junk guns like that are ---------ers who want a cheap throw away gun you can buy on the streets for under 50 bucks.

#31 | POSTED BY ZACK991 AT 2014-06-06 06:53 AM | FLAG:

and George Zimmerman. Can't remember kel-tec or hi point but it was sub $200 plastic crap.

#33 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2014-06-06 08:04 AM | Reply | Flag:

I don't understand the point in saying small kids can't pull triggers or guns can't go off from being dropped when both are demonstrably untrue.

You can say they are designed to make these happenings less likely to occur. But if you're just blatantly denying incidents that clearly do occur I don't get the point. Just gives the impression that gun advocates lie.

#34 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-06 09:33 AM | Reply | Flag:

Not to play with the language, but if it were left "by itself" a gun would be completely harmless for the reasons of a. no one would be around to pull the trigger and b. no one would be around to get shot.

It's amazing the lengths you gun folks will go to avoid acknowledging that a loaded gun is dangerous.

Yes, if all humans died out and that gun was still sitting on a Playskool box at the Myrtle Beach Target it wouldn't kill any humans.

But if in the succeeding millenia marmosets developed an opposing thumb, learned to use tools and developed agriculture, then progressed to their own industrial civilization, one of those marmosets might return to that Target and be accidentally killed by that gun.

I hope those marmosets have a more sensible interpretation of gun rights in their Constitution than we do.

#35 | Posted by rcade at 2014-06-06 09:57 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

"It's amazing the lengths you gun folks will go to avoid acknowledging that a loaded gun is dangerous."

What's funny is that among themselves, they are not like this. Typical gun safety rules are "Every gun is loaded" and "Don't point your gun at anything you don't intend to shoot". Both of these rules clearly acknowledge the inherent danger of handling guns and the possibility of accidents. If you joined any gun club and started flouting these common sense rules and started spewing some of the stuff posted here when they reprimanded you, they would kick you out.

There is no doubt in my mind that many posters here sing an entirely different tune when they are around other gun enthusiasts because they wouldn't be welcome if they acted as if they believe some of the foolish crap that is posted here regularly.

#36 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-06 10:08 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

"If you joined any gun club and started flouting these common sense rules and started spewing some of the stuff posted here when they reprimanded you, they would kick you out."

No kidding.

I've never heard a range officer say "Just leave your loaded and cocked gun on the bench... it will never go off by itself."

#37 | Posted by REDIAL at 2014-06-06 10:32 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

guns can't go off from being dropped when both are demonstrably untrue.

#34 | POSTED BY SULLY AT 2014-06-06 09:33 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

Then demonstrate it in a controlled environment where somebody isn't causing a trigger pull.

Since you brought up gun safety, if a gun drops, you're supposed to let it hit the ground. It is the safe action. The human instinct is to catch it, which causes negligent discharges. The ignorance is fueled by movies where dropped guns go off all the time. The reality is that all guns since 1968 have "drop factors" engineered into the design. You would have to throw the gun as high as you can, set in condition 0, to have even the most faint hope of getting it to discharge from the drop.

#38 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2014-06-06 10:44 AM | Reply | Flag:

"SANDY, Utah (ABC 4 Utah) - A scary moment inside a Sandy restaurant when a man paying for his food drops a bag and a gun goes off.

It happened just before 1:30 Wednesday afternoon at the Chipotle near 104th
South State Street
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Sandy Police say the man removed his backpack to pay for his meal and accidentally dropped it.

When the bag hit the floor, the handgun he had inside accidentally discharged.

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Sgt. Arnold says because it was an accident, and because no one was hurt, the man was not cited.

"This wasn't due to him actually handling the gun when it discharged those are things when you at it in terms of criminal negligent, criminal recklessness in terms of how he was handling the gun," explained Sgt. Arnold.

While it was an accident the mother we spoke with says the man was negligent and should face some kind of consequence, but police say despite the fact the man was carrying a loaded gun with a bullet in the chamber and likely the safety off it's not against the law.

"He legally has a right to carry his gun that way," said Sgt. Arnold.

Police say it is extremely uncommon for a gun to fire if it's dropped. Sgt. Arnold guesses it must have landed right on the barrel for the firing pin to discharge and fire the bullet."

www.good4utah.com

#39 | Posted by TrueBlue at 2014-06-06 11:21 AM | Reply | Flag:

#38 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2014-06-06 10:44 AM | Reply | Flag:

You can say guns today are alot safer and that this very rarely happens. But I'm not interested in debating whether or not something that happens can happen.

#40 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-06 11:27 AM | Reply | Flag:

Moms right, cops are wrong. Loose gun in a backpack, plenty of things to actuate a trigger. That guy should be stripped of his 2a rights for awhile pending more education.

#41 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2014-06-06 11:27 AM | Reply | Flag:

Is there an update on this story yet? It's not like it would be hard to track down a legal owner for this pistol.

#42 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-06-06 11:35 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Is there an update on this story yet?"

All they know is that it was not reported stolen.

#43 | Posted by REDIAL at 2014-06-06 01:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Is there an update on this story yet? It's not like it would be hard to track down a legal owner for this pistol."

www.wmbfnews.com

#44 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-06-06 03:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

The only people who carry junk guns like that are ---------ers who want a cheap throw away gun you can buy on the streets for under 50 bucks.

#31 | POSTED BY ZACK991 AT 2014-06-06 06:53 AM | FLAG:

and George Zimmerman. Can't remember kel-tec or hi point but it was sub $200 plastic crap.

#33 | Posted by sitzkrieg

Zimmerman was a --- and it fit him well. Also it cute that ---------ers is a naughty word now.

#45 | Posted by zack991 at 2014-06-06 04:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

They have a video of the perp stashing the firearm. Would it be ironic if this guy was an anti-gun zealot who wanted to cause a tragedy to make his point? Radicals do not allow morality or ethics to cloud their judgement.

#46 | Posted by docnjo at 2014-06-06 04:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

Posted by docnjo

An anti-gun zealot! That, and/or a homicidal maniac certainly makes sense, as a gun-nut would have no reason...

But, it doesn't fit the liberal agenda...

#47 | Posted by Greatamerican at 2014-06-06 04:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's amazing the lengths you gun folks will go to avoid acknowledging that a loaded gun is dangerous.

I was being hyper-literal in an attempt to be humorous.

Sully's next post is precisely correct in that proper handling of a gun is based on the assumption its dangerous.

#48 | Posted by jpw at 2014-06-06 11:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

There are no boundaries for gun-nuts ...none
This is just more prof that nothing good ever comes from guns

#1 | Posted by SammyAZ_RI

Actually, I suspect you, an anti-gun nut.

If you read the article, it clearly indicates that someone put it there to cause another gun tragedy--An anti-gun nut would be that someone.

#49 | Posted by LastAmerican at 2014-06-07 02:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

LOL. An anti-gun False Flag operation.

Devious.

#50 | Posted by REDIAL at 2014-06-07 02:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

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