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Thursday, June 05, 2014

An entire town in southeastern New Brunswick, Cananda, was locked down Wednesday night as police launched a manhunt for a heavily armed man dressed in camouflage wanted in connection with the killing earlier in the day of three Royal Canadian Mounted Police officers. Three other officers were injured. Justin Bourque, 24, of Moncton is being sought in connection with the shooting.

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The Moncton area in New Brunswick has a population of about 138,000 people and is known as a transportation hub serving Canada's Maritime provinces.

#1 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-05 02:24 AM | Reply | Flag:

sad.

#2 | Posted by ichiro at 2014-06-05 05:46 AM | Reply | Flag:

Wow all that gun control and these crazy people still commot acts of violence. Only if they had another law, maybe he would have obeyed it.

#3 | Posted by zack991 at 2014-06-05 07:22 AM | Reply | Flag:

The Zacksignal never fails.

#4 | Posted by REDIAL at 2014-06-05 07:57 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

NRA's/gun's/Walmart's fault!

There - got that obligatory out of the way.

#5 | Posted by Greatamerican at 2014-06-05 08:48 AM | Reply | Flag:

Wow all that gun control and these crazy people still commot acts of violence. Only if they had another law, maybe he would have obeyed it.

Since you want to make a gun control issue out of this, Canada has a gun-related death rate one-fourth that of the United States. If we had Canada's rate of 2.38 deaths per 100,000 people, it would save 24,860 Americans a year.

So by all means let's talk about our gun laws and their gun laws. Maybe we can learn something.

#6 | Posted by rcade at 2014-06-05 10:33 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

Since you want to make a gun control issue out of this, Canada has a gun-related death rate one-fourth that of the United States.

An utterly meaningless statistic. Zat has produced countless links showing statistical evidence that in places where guns have been outlawed outright or access has been severely limited, gun-violence went down, but overall violence went up.

It's like a hospital stating that while they've seen a drop in gunshot wounds the number of beatings, rapes and stabbings they've treated have doubled, but as long as they are treating fewer gunshot victims the new restrictions must be working.

#7 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-06-05 10:39 AM | Reply | Flag:

Rcade beat me to it but let's face it, Hack991 and LousyAmerican are beyond hope.

#8 | Posted by CrisisStills at 2014-06-05 10:42 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

So by all means let's talk about our gun laws and their gun laws. Maybe we can learn something.

#6 | POSTED BY RCADE AT 2014-06-05 10:33 AM | FLAG:

Sure. Their murder rate already was a drop in the bucket compared to ours, it's still interesting to see how laws stack up. I'm of the opinion that people that think Canada gun control is particularly strict are misled. It is, and it isn't.

They completely abolished their long gun registry. Magazine capacity restrictions are overall less restrictive than California. They require a cabinet or safe depending on the firearm (not a bad idea). They have their own version of concealed carry. No sawed off shotguns, no short barrled rifles without extensive permits, almost exactly the same as the US. There's a pistol barrel length minimum which makes sub-compact pistols illegal. You can own an AR platform, you just can't hunt with it (too small for canadian game anyways). Both major studies on firearm crime in Canada concluded their "restricted firearm" regulation has no impact on homicide.

Seems like crime differences have a lot more to do with culture than gun control.

#9 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2014-06-05 10:48 AM | Reply | Flag:

jj,

Its not meaningless at all. The girl stabbed 19 times survived. Guns are more effective killing tools than knives. That is a big difference.

#10 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-06-05 10:58 AM | Reply | Flag:

An utterly meaningless statistic. Zat has produced countless links showing statistical evidence that in places where guns have been outlawed outright or access has been severely limited, gun-violence went down, but overall violence went up.

What a spectacular non sequitur. We're not talking about places where guns have been outlawed or severely limited. Canada has plenty of guns.

#11 | Posted by rcade at 2014-06-05 10:59 AM | Reply | Flag:

Does anyone think if this guy had attacked three mounties with a knife any of them would be dead?

#12 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-06-05 10:59 AM | Reply | Flag:

Sorry RCADE but Canada does not have a higher overall violence rate due to its gun laws. Try again.

#13 | Posted by Calvatheson at 2014-06-05 11:01 AM | Reply | Flag:

Does anyone think if this guy had attacked three mounties with a knife any of them would be dead?

Good question.

#14 | Posted by rcade at 2014-06-05 11:07 AM | Reply | Flag:

Canada has no concealed carry.

#15 | Posted by REDIAL at 2014-06-05 11:14 AM | Reply | Flag:

Turns out he really, really liked his guns, judging by his FB page.
www.facebook.com

#16 | Posted by cbob at 2014-06-05 11:38 AM | Reply | Flag:

#13

Since you're apparently new to this site, RCade was quoting post #8.

#17 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2014-06-05 11:54 AM | Reply | Flag:

Canada has no concealed carry.

#15 | POSTED BY REDIAL AT 2014-06-05 11:14 AM | FLAG:

Yes, it does.

en.wikipedia.org

"An Authorization to Carry [ATC] is a permit issued by the government of Canada under the Firearms Act. An ATC allows an individual to lawfully possess a restricted, or a specific class of, prohibited firearm that is loaded or possessed with readily accessible ammunition. Under this permit, the approved firearm may be carried on the permit holder's person, in a holster. The issuing CFO may specify on the ATC that concealing the firearm is permitted, and may impose any other conditions deemed appropriate;"

#18 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2014-06-05 12:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

Maritime Canada has a much different culture and ethnic makeup than the USA. Residents in general are unified instead of divided ethnically. Most cities like Saint John, Halifax or Moncton the residents can leave their doors unlocked. They have very little crime and can freely walk around all cities day and night unlike the USA. But even Canada has an occasional wacko that goes off the deep end.

#19 | Posted by Robson at 2014-06-05 12:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

That ATC permit is for armed guards and such, not the average citizen.

#20 | Posted by REDIAL at 2014-06-05 01:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

The universal re-education camps can only be utilized after America's guns have been confiscated. Yes, after that is accomplished everyone will be taught that government is their only friend.

#21 | Posted by kenx at 2014-06-05 02:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

Were the Mounties armed? If they were (as peace officers probably should be), did their guns protect them? The winner of a gunfight is usually the one who gets the "drop;" meaning being in a position to shoot with the willingness to do so. There's no guarantee that the "good guy" is the one to get that advantage.

#22 | Posted by spurs1 at 2014-06-05 02:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

That ATC permit is for armed guards and such, not the average citizen.

#20 | POSTED BY REDIAL AT 2014-06-05 01:45 PM | FLAG:

Average citizens can qualify for it. It's not considered easy by any means, but it is up to each province's CFO. You have a better chance of getting one there than the No Issue counties in Cali & NY (which also happen to be dangerous crapholes compared to Canada).

#23 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2014-06-05 03:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

Wow all that gun control and these crazy people still commot acts of violence. Only if they had another law, maybe he would have obeyed it.

#3 | Posted by zack991

If they just had one more law against murder it would have never happened. They need to ban full automatic weapons. That would fix it. Oh wait................. they are illegal. I guess F&F went north as well as south.

#24 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-06-05 05:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

If we had Canada's rate of 2.38 deaths per 100,000 people, it would save 24,860 Americans a year.

So by all means let's talk about our gun laws and their gun laws. Maybe we can learn something.

#6 | Posted by rcade

But there is still murder.

#25 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-06-05 05:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yes, there is still murder.
A lot less murder, and a lot less murder with guns.

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-06-05 05:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

I don't understand your math rca. Your numbers have nothing to do with anything.

Homicide in 2011

From 2011 FBI Report

Handguns -– 6220
Rifles ---------- 323
Shotguns ------ 356
Other Guns ----– 97
Knives -------- 1694
Blunt Objects – 496
Fists -------------728

The total homicides dosen't even come close to your number of 24,860 people saved.

#27 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-06-05 05:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

Does anyone think if this guy had attacked three mounties with a knife any of them would be dead?

Good question.

#14 | Posted by rcade

Does anyone think if this guy didn't surprise the three mounties with a gun any of them would be dead?

Does anyone think if this guy surprised the three mounties with a knife any of them would be dead?

#28 | Posted by Petrous at 2014-06-05 05:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

28 comments all of them about weapons, not a single mention of the six victims, it's almost like they don't matter. Be proud DR folks

#29 | Posted by SammyAZ_RI at 2014-06-05 05:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

Guns...Boo!

#30 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-06-05 05:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Average citizens can qualify for it. It's not considered easy by any means..."

It's next to impossible. I've known a couple of trappers and a geologist that had them, but you can't use it to pack a gun anywhere other than way far out in the bush. It's tough enough getting a permit to own a restricted weapon, mush less carry one.

#31 | Posted by REDIAL at 2014-06-05 07:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

From a Huff Po blog "among white Americans, the homicide victimization rate was 2.64 per 100,000." With our gun culture not to bad. " The homicide rate for black male victims was 31.67 per 100,000." Maybe if we disarmed Blacks it would help. I think the drug war is releasable for most of those white and black deaths.

#32 | Posted by jdmeth at 2014-06-05 10:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

"28 comments all of them about weapons, not a single mention of the six victims..."

Or the fact that the shooter is still out there. Lack of news leads to distractions.

#33 | Posted by REDIAL at 2014-06-05 11:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

Sounds like they bagged the guy.

#34 | Posted by REDIAL at 2014-06-06 01:27 AM | Reply | Flag:

Police in New Brunswick confirmed early Friday that shooting suspect Justin Bourque has been arrested.

Mr. Bourque, 24, wanted in connection with the shooting deaths of three RCMP officers, was taken into custody shortly after midnight.

Nice work.

#35 | Posted by REDIAL at 2014-06-06 01:30 AM | Reply | Flag:

Shooter has been arrested.

His punishment will involve being sentenced to life among polar bears.

#36 | Posted by Tor at 2014-06-06 01:34 AM | Reply | Flag:

"His punishment will involve being sentenced to life among polar bears."

His punishment will likely be what happens between now and when he gets to prison.

#37 | Posted by REDIAL at 2014-06-06 01:38 AM | Reply | Flag:

Now we find out if this guy was just a simple psychopath or was he on those magic pills so prevalent now days. The same ones that all the mass shooters we have had were using.

#38 | Posted by docnjo at 2014-06-06 05:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

A home-schooled,anti-government religious nut with a fetish for guns and wearing camo.

Who would have suspected?

#39 | Posted by northguy3 at 2014-06-06 09:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

"The same ones that all the mass shooters we have had were using."

Is that actually true? And has everyone taking them turned into a mass shooter?

#40 | Posted by REDIAL at 2014-06-06 11:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

List Of 45 Mass Murders And Pharma Drugs They Were on. Http://www.whiteoutpress.com/
articles/q12013/list-of-45-
mass-murders-and-pharma-drugs-
they-were-on/

#41 | Posted by zack991 at 2014-06-07 03:50 AM | Reply | Flag:

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