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Tuesday, June 03, 2014

The Seattle City Council voted Monday to raise the minimum wage to $15 per hour.
The plan, which includes a lower training wage aimed at teens, will phase in the higher, local minimum over three to seven years, depending on the size of the business and benefits they provide employees. Next April 1, when the plan takes effect, every worker will get at least a $1-an-hour raise. "A year ago, $15 was just a number on fast food strikers' picket signs," Working Washington, a coalition of labor and community groups, said Monday. "Today it's set to become reality for 100,000 Seattle workers."

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"Seattle, and other cities, are taking direct action to close our nation's huge income gap because the federal and state governments have failed to do so," City Councilman Nick Licata said. "By significantly raising the minimum wage, Seattle's prosperity will be shared by more people and create a sustainable model for continued growth."

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Well, good for them. Now all you libs will see NO poverty in that state ever again.

#1 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-06-03 09:37 AM | Reply | Flag:

Now all you libs will see NO poverty in that state ever again.

#1 | POSTED BY SNIPER

Is that YOUR new "prediction"? Cause I don't remember one liberal ever saying that.

I thought the CON prediction was mass layoffs.

Well aint it great?

Now we will get to see who is full of crap.

#2 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-06-03 09:51 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Cause I don't remember one liberal ever saying that."

I've see leftists here claim that we can raise people out of poverty by simply raising their minimum wage up.

I think you're one of them.

#3 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-03 09:54 AM | Reply | Flag:

The Starbucks, McDonalds, etc type places will not have massive layoffs. they'll increase their prices together as all of their costs will likely increase at the same time at the same rate.

so McDonalds will raise their prices which is just increasing the rate of inflation for those same minimum wage workers who got a raise.

People making a real income aren't going to care as a price increase for their coffee or hamburger isn't going to hurt them anyway.

#4 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-03 09:59 AM | Reply | Flag:

Is that YOUR new "prediction"? Cause I don't remember one liberal ever saying that.

#2 | Posted by donnerboy

If it's to raise everyone to a living wage, which you libs claim, then there will be no poverty. It ain't no prediction dinnie, it's words from lib mouths.

#5 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-06-03 10:12 AM | Reply | Flag:

So it is total OK for landlords to raise rents, energy companies to raise rates, businesses to pay the highest CEO pay packages ever and push for high returns for share holders but the people that do the work when they ask for a fair wage to get off food stamps and let the gov stop having to help them the right goes crazy. Yes lots of people will no longer need gov help when the min wage rises!

#6 | Posted by THomewood at 2014-06-03 10:20 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

With unemployment in the area at a paltry 4.8%, how can anyone criticize this move.

#7 | Posted by CrisisStills at 2014-06-03 10:47 AM | Reply | Flag:

$15 bucks and hour and legal weed. The carloads of 23 year old high school dropouts are going to be clogging freeways heading northwest.

#8 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2014-06-03 10:50 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 2

"Yes lots of people will no longer need gov help when the min wage rises!"

See Donner. Here is one of your brethren who just raised his hand and proclaimed that we can just raise the minimum wage and that will move folks off govt assistance.

funny. you pretend these people don't exist.

#9 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-03 10:55 AM | Reply | Flag:

The Starbucks, McDonalds, etc type places will not have massive layoffs. they'll increase their prices together as all of their costs will likely increase at the same time at the same rate.

By that argument, no business ever should give any employee a raise at all.

Funny how when the CEO gets a raise, this argument is NEVER used against it.

#10 | Posted by 726 at 2014-06-03 11:11 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 4

"By that argument, no business ever should give any employee a raise at all."

how so? I didn't imply that to be my argument. Inflation drives up wages (although not enough in recent years). no mystery there....and if all businesses have to make this move at the same time, it will get absorbed in the price.

#11 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-03 11:14 AM | Reply | Flag:

It seems to have had mixed results....

some places have closed, and others have made cuts, or added fees.

Other businesses have adjusted in ways that run the gamut from putting more work in the hands of managers, to instituting a small "living-wage surcharge" for a daily parking space near the airport.
seattletimes.com

#12 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-06-03 11:20 AM | Reply | Flag:

If it's to raise everyone to a living wage, which you libs claim, then there will be no poverty. It ain't no prediction dinnie, it's words from lib mouths.

#5 | Posted by Sniper

Nonsense.

What you hear on Fox News is not what Liberals say or believe.

No liberal has said that raising the minimum wage will eliminate poverty.

It is words from your mouths not ours.

We have a lot of work to do to eliminate poverty.

Paying living wages is only a small part of that.

#13 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-06-03 11:29 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"No liberal has said that raising the minimum wage will eliminate poverty."

no, but they've claimed it will reduce it meaningfully.

#14 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-03 11:35 AM | Reply | Flag:

I've see leftists here claim that we can raise people out of poverty by simply raising their minimum wage up.

I think you're one of them.

#3 | Posted by eberly

yes we can help raise people out of poverty by paying a living wage.

And I have said that.

That will not eliminate poverty completely and no one has ever said it would.

Paying living wages will not suddenly make it a perfect world.

So don't let the "perfect" get in the way of the good.

#15 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-06-03 11:37 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

See Donner. Here is one of your brethren who just raised his hand and proclaimed that we can just raise the minimum wage and that will move folks off govt assistance.

funny. you pretend these people don't exist.

#9 | Posted by eberly

funny how you continue to try and twist my words to fit your faulty memory and lack of reading comprehension.

Raising the minimum wage does mean a lot of people WILL no longer need govt assistance. That does not mean that all poverty will be suddenly eliminated. And he did not say it would eliminate all poverty either.

#16 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-06-03 11:53 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Raising the minimum wage does mean a lot of people WILL no longer need govt assistance."

Is the State of Washington telling us that?

oh, then how many will no longer need govt assistance?

you seem to know.....

#17 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-03 11:59 AM | Reply | Flag:

"funny how you continue to try and twist my words"

I did no such thing, Donner.

#18 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-03 11:59 AM | Reply | Flag:

oh, then how many will no longer need govt assistance?

you seem to know.....

#17 | Posted by eberly

hard to say exactly...

A University of Washington study commissioned by the council said the increase would benefit 100,000 people – about a third of them working for large enterprises. The increase would cut poverty in Seattle by a quarter, the study said.

www.theguardian.com

You too could learn to use Google. If you weren't so lazy.

#19 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-06-03 12:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

"You too could learn to use Google. If you weren't so lazy."

I'm not lazy. I just know how to delegate.

#20 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-03 12:42 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

I'm not lazy. I just know how to delegate.

#20 | Posted by eberly

lol...nicely done.

#21 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-06-03 12:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

"oh, then how many will no longer need govt assistance?"

Well, 2.2% will now need less, (government assistance). That's about 153,000 people in Washington alone.

If you extrapolate it out nationwide, 2.5 million workers will need less assistance to none------ if you only count Walmart

But don't worry, you can still enslave children if the job is agricultural because everyone knows your wealth and lifestyle should come at other less fortunate people's expense

Oh yea ---- "States Rights"!

#22 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2014-06-03 12:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

We are the Seattle City Council, we are GOD's of business. We have carefully calculated your expenses, your revenues, your costs, and have determined that you shall pay $15 an hour or be shut down. We know better than you how to run a business, after all, we never have, but have read about one in a book once.

We know you are rich and evil, because you have a business. Share some of that. Never mind that some of you are on the verge of closing. We demand you pay more out to your low skilled pimple faced newbie. Sure you may close your door and go out of business. We don't care. We just want what we want.

Some of you are doing great...so we want you to pay more to those who you enslave. We know you must handcuff them daily to make sure they don't leave for a better opportunity. Now you must pay them more. If you eliminate that job, well I guess we can't stop that, but we will think harder of a way. Perhaps tenure for new employees and a union. We would love that.

#23 | Posted by sames1 at 2014-06-03 01:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

"But don't worry, you can still enslave children if the job is agricultural because everyone knows your wealth and lifestyle should come at other less fortunate people's expense"

well, my wealth and lifestyle is what's important to me...not the expense of others. You should know that, redneckcocosamchieftutville.

But you, and your 6 other previous handles, do not understand how we figure the poverty rate, how it's calculated, and how a certain % of Americans will always be in poverty. we can't just raise their wages out of it on a permanent basis. Eventually, inflation catches up to these folks and they fall under the line.

in reality, they won't climb out of poverty, even immediately, and taking govt assistance away from these folks will come with consequences.

don't get me wrong (you will, as you are barely smart enough to converse with me at all)...I'm fine with this increase in the wage in Seattle. It's an expensive place to live and adjustments like this are actually necessary to keep pace with the ever increasing cost of living people face there.

#24 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-03 01:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

Donner, good post BTW. #19 I mean.

#25 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-03 01:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

$15 bucks and hour and legal weed. The carloads of 23 year old high school dropouts are going to be clogging freeways heading northwest.
#8 | POSTED BY LEE_THE_AGENT

Only if you believe stereotypes are true. Pity that you do.

#26 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-03 01:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Do not understand how we figure the poverty rate"

Who is "we"?
Your imaginary team of actuaries?

#27 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2014-06-03 01:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Who is "we"?
Your imaginary team of actuaries?"

no. actuaries don't really care about the poverty rate.

wait....you don't know what an actuary even is, do you? you can google it and pretend you knew all along.

#28 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-03 01:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

And in an "unrelated" story, Starbucks installs new self-service latte dispensers and McDonalds raises the cost of a Big Mac to $15.

#29 | Posted by bogey1355 at 2014-06-03 04:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

#29 | POSTED BY BOGEY1355

If you honestly believe maintaining a low minimum wage will have any effect in mitigating the inevitable succession of robots over humans in the labor pool, I can offer you nothing other than pity.

#30 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-03 04:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

Good thing I learned how to repair robots.

My robomasters will be pleased.

I will get all the good treats.

#31 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-06-03 04:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

#31 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

Silly D-BOY does not realize the robots have robots for maintenance. People will be used for nothing else than what they naturally are bred to do: consume.

Neo-consumer socialism? Or maybe neo-socialist consumerism? The government will pay humans to consume. No other way to go about it.

#32 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-03 04:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

Silly D-BOY does not realize the robots have robots for maintenance.

awwww! fine. Can I volunteer for the breeding program?

#33 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-06-03 05:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yes lots of people will no longer need gov help when the min wage rises!

#6 | Posted by THomewood

There youg donnie............. Not my words.

#34 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-06-03 08:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

By that argument, no business ever should give any employee a raise at all.

Funny how when the CEO gets a raise, this argument is NEVER used against it.

#10 | Posted by 726

Basic econ 726............

-Lots peanut and hotdog salesmen = low wages.
-Not many great football players = high wages.

This isn't real complicated buddy.

#35 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-06-03 08:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

yes we can help raise people out of poverty by paying a living wage.
And I have said that.

That will not eliminate poverty completely and no one has ever said it would.

Paying living wages will not suddenly make it a perfect world.

So don't let the "perfect" get in the way of the good.

#15 | Posted by donnerboy

Now you are trying to seperate the fly poop from the pepper donnie.

#36 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-06-03 08:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

Now you are trying to seperate(sic) the fly poop from the pepper donnie.

#36 | Posted by Sniper

I forgot...reading comprehension is not really your strong suit.

Here... let me spell it out for you.

"Now all you libs will see (NO) poverty in that state ever again."

does not equate to:

"Yes (lots)of people will no longer need gov help when the min wage rises!"

you see... (NO) ... is not the opposite of ... (Lots)

And your statement does not even pass the smell test anyway.

This..."The increase would cut poverty in Seattle by a quarter,"

I would believe:

This...."There will be no more poverty after we raise the minimum wage."

Only a brain dead partisan would believe:

And ...I don't think it is possible to get the "pepper" out of your "poop".

#37 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-06-03 10:08 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Raising the minimum wage has worked out pretty well for San Jose, CA:

www.mercurynews.com

When the minimum wage is raised, it's not like people who benefit from it stash away the extra cash like those on the high end of the economic scale have done with tax cuts. They usually spend their raises pretty quickly, as they've done all along when their wages were less, and that extra money stimulates the local economy by creating more demand for goods and services. That in turn creates more jobs.

#38 | Posted by DCTexan at 2014-06-04 02:24 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

They usually spend their raises pretty quickly, as they've done all along when their wages were less, and that extra money stimulates the local economy by creating more demand for goods and services. That in turn creates more jobs.

#38 | POSTED BY DCTEXAN AT 2014-06-04 02:24 AM | FLAG:

That is exactly what happened in San Jose when they raised their minimum wage to $10. per hour.

www.mercurynews.com

"The city reports that business is growing, with 84,000 businesses registered at the start of 2014 compared to 75,000 the previous year. Importantly, the leisure and hospitality industry -- the sector that includes food services, and where many minimum wage employees work -- experienced a net increase of 4,000 jobs in San Jose in 2013, according to the California Employment Development Department.

In the city center, the San Jose Downtown Association reports that businesses grew by 3 percent in the past year, with the retail sector, which includes restaurants, increasing to 19 percent of all downtown businesses, up from 15 percent in 2012.

Finally, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics reports that the average number of hours worked in the San Jose metro area in 2013 is nearly the same as in 2012 (36.5 hours in 2013 vs. 36.9 hours in 2012)."

#39 | Posted by 726 at 2014-06-04 08:08 AM | Reply | Flag:

DCTexan, oops, did not see that you linked that article already.

#40 | Posted by 726 at 2014-06-04 08:09 AM | Reply | Flag:

So don't let the "perfect" get in the way of the good.
#15 | Posted by donnerboy

Well, that is their standard operating procedure.

Can't have ACA because it is not perfect.

Can't have a minimum wage increase because it is not perfect.

-Lots peanut and hotdog salesmen = low wages.
-Not many great football players = high wages.
This isn't real complicated buddy.

#35 | POSTED BY SNIPER AT 2014-06-03 08:54 PM | FLAG:

And you failed to address the issue of my post. Surprised? Not so much.

McDonalds raises the cost of a Big Mac to $15.

#29 | POSTED BY BOGEY1355 AT 2014-06-03 04:02 PM | FLAG:

Where did you get that price other than your posterior?

"All of which means that the real change in the cost of a Big Mac, or the dollar menu, if McDonald's workers were paid $15 an hour is: nothing. For production costs simply do not determine the prices that can be achieved in a competitive market."

www.forbes.com

#41 | Posted by 726 at 2014-06-04 08:17 AM | Reply | Flag:

There will always be poor people. You cannot raise wages specific amounts and expect all to be better.

My problem is with people that believe only those at the top should be the ones making more money as the company's profits increase. Regardless of what skill level you believe it takes to flip hamburgers, if sales increase because your productivity has increased or maybe you have great customer service, why should you not be able to share in the profits of a company? Why is it that if a person lacks the intelligence to become a doctor/lawyer/CEO/etc., they are not worth paying more money if they work hard and do their job?

#42 | Posted by TheRef65 at 2014-06-04 11:35 AM | Reply | Flag:

You cannot raise wages specific amounts and expect all to be better.

No one is saying that it will.

Everyone that screams and cries about people collecting food stamps, etc should be cheering the raising of the minimum wage as it will cut the number of employees that need government to help them live while earning poverty wages.

But I do get it. You just want the food stamps cut. The hell with anyone that needs them to eat.

#43 | Posted by 726 at 2014-06-04 11:57 AM | Reply | Flag:

Why is it that if a person lacks the intelligence to become a doctor/lawyer/CEO/etc., they are not worth paying more money if they work hard and do their job?

#42 | POSTED BY THEREF65

Ever heard of performance reviews? Raises? Promotions?

#44 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-06-04 12:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

No harm done, 726. If more reasonable people read that article by the San Jose Mercury News as a result of the double-posting, then there'll be more people who'll get that an increase to the minimum wage can be a boon to the economy.

#45 | Posted by DCTexan at 2014-06-04 01:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

Why the hell stop at $15? How did they arrive at that number? Why not $20, or $30/ If 15 is good, wouldn't $30 be twice as good? If increasing the minimum wage is good for the economy as in San Jose, why not make it 100k - ----, unemployment would be 0 in the US - people would be flocking to Seattle!!!!

FTA - Crystal Thompson, 33, told The Seattle Times she has been working at a local Domino's Pizza for five years and still makes minimum wage. She says her responsibilities have grown, and she sometimes is responsible for opening and closing the store.

"I think I deserve a raise," she told the Times.

I thinks she deserves to look for a new job - her employer determines whether she deserves a raise - if she doesn't agree, she is free to find a new employer who equates her skills with an appropriate wage.

#46 | Posted by e_pluribus_unum at 2014-06-04 09:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

#46

Because it was calculated that at today's rate of inflation, $15 would be able to provide a living wage.

Now find a brown paper bag to breath into. I think you're hyperventilating.

#47 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-06-04 09:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

"All of which means that the real change in the cost of a Big Mac, or the dollar menu, if McDonald's workers were paid $15 an hour is: nothing.

Finally, a rightwing source that knows what it is talking about. Next time you are in a fast food place try and time exactly how many minutes a person deals with you or your order. Then multiply it by 2 or 3 to cover cleaning and stuff done by staff not serving you. You end up talking about 5 minutes. What's the extra labor cost for those 5 minutes with a rise in the minimum wage?

Peanuts.

#48 | Posted by northguy3 at 2014-06-05 10:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

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