Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Monday, June 02, 2014

Michael Tomasky: So let's imagine that on Saturday night, the news had emerged not that Bowe Bergdahl was being freed but that he'd been murdered by his Taliban captors. What do you suppose we'd be hearing from Republican legislators? You know exactly what: Barack Obama is the weakest president ever, this is unconscionable. Which, of course, is exactly what we're hearing from them now that the U.S. Army sergeant, held by the Taliban since 2009, has been freed. And it's going to get worse. I'm even tempted to say forget Benghazi -- Bergdahl may well end up being the flimsy excuse for the impeachment hearings they've been dreaming of before all this is over.

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The Republicans' audacity here is a bit beyond the usual. Let's face it: There is no question that if President George W. Bush or a President McCain or President Romney had secured Bergdahl's release in exchange for five Taliban prisoners at Gitmo, Republicans would be defending the move all the way. That business about notifying Congress? They'd have a dozen excuses for it. We got our prisoner of war home, they'd all be saying. That's what matters.

But Obama does it, and Bergdahl's freedom isn't what matters at all.

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"He wandered away from his unit. A Fox News commentator called him a "deserter." He is officially in good standing in the Army and has even received the promotions due him during his time in captivity, but some consider him a deserter and traitor. Get ready to start hearing more of that.

Can Republicans make this resonate outside their base? Hard to say. I think to most Americans, this is a feel-good story. We value a life, one American life. Bibi Netanyahu traded one captive Israeli soldier, Gilad Shalit, not for five Palestinian prisoners. He traded Shalit for 1,027 Palestinian prisoners. And there was broad agreement across the spectrum of Israeli politics that bringing Shalit to safety, even at that price, was the right thing to do.

But of course, that doesn't matter to the right. No one outside their base cares much about Benghazi, but that hasn't stopped them. They'll keep pursuing Benghazi mostly to see if they can pin anything on Hillary, but when it comes to wet impeachment dreams, Benghazi may have just been pushed to the back seat. The crazy never stops."

#1 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-02 01:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

Bowe Bergdahl Is the Right's New Benghazi?> NO it's not but it is interesting when we have 4 true patriots, Benghazi, truly in harms way this Obama white house will not lift a finger because it would have looked bad in the days leading up to the 2012 election. Now they release 5 high value prisoners to help him complete a campaign promise to get a deserter back.

President Barack Obama told Americans on Tuesday that 2014 should be the year to finally close the U.S. prison at Guantanamo Bay as the United States winds down its military role in Afghanistan and shifts away from a ‘permanent war footing.'
www.dailymail.co.uk

#2 | Posted by paneocon at 2014-06-02 01:42 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

I've said I'm glad he's coming home. Not happy we had to give some of the top taliban officials away to do it but, ok. He deserves the medical and mental attention he will get. The original reporting on him was that he did just leave his post and start walking into the countryside. He was reportedly captured at a local village so it needs to be looked into by the Army b/c a minimum of 5 other soldiers were killed looking for him.

#3 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-02 01:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

#2

Congress mad it illegal to close Gitmo.

-it needs to be looked into by the Army

Yeah it does.... but most rwing media wants to shoot him first and ask questions latter, since Bowe makes a great political football, much like Ben Gazzi.

#4 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-02 01:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

NO it's not but it is interesting when we have 4 true patriots, Benghazi, truly in harms way this Obama white house will not lift a finger because it would have looked bad in the days leading up to the 2012 election.

#2 | Posted by paneocon at 2014-06-02

Stupid, mean, unreal, crazy.

Hope this this current Benghazi investigation puts you freak over the top. But then again, if it does not, there's always the next one.

#5 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-02 01:54 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Stupid, mean, unreal, crazy.

Hope this this current Benghazi investigation puts you freaks over the top. But then again, if it does not, there's always the next one.

#6 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-02 01:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

Tomasky is just a wee bit off the reservation on this one.

It's not a horrible thing to be critical of Obama for violating the law on this. It's not horrible to question the wisdom of negotiating with the Taliban or releasing 5 high value (if that's what they were) detainees for 1 captured soldier.

It is a horrible thing to convict this guy of treason in the court of public opinion prior to a proper investigation.

It is a horrible thing to suggest that his freedom wasn't worth securing.

So far, I've seen very little of the latter 2 points being made.

#7 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-06-02 01:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

I've rarely seen a bigger hissy fit than what you right-wingers are throwing over this prisoner exchange. What do you guys spend your time doing? Snorting meth and peeling of skin from your arms so that you can achieve just the right emotional pitch?

#8 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-02 01:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

but most rwing media wants to shoot him first and ask questions latter

Can you provide some specific examples of this?

#9 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-06-02 01:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

-So far, I've seen very little of the latter 2 points being made.

Then you haven't been reading these threads.

It was, however, the right thing to do considering his medical condition and the possibility of losing the deal with a delay by Congress, no matter the legal technicalities.

#10 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-02 01:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

#8

Which comments, specifically, are you referring to, Zed?

I'll check the other threads and see if I can find anything that fits your characterization.

#11 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-06-02 01:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

-Can you provide some specific examples of this?

"The argument will be made that he wasn't worth saving, especially given what we had to give up. Hastings cites "White House sources" as telling him that Marc Grossman, Richard Holbrooke's successor as AfPak coordinator, "was given a direct warning by the president's opponents in Congress about trading Bowe for five Taliban prisoners during an election year.

‘They keep telling me it's going to be Obama's Willie Horton moment,' Grossman warned the White House."

from the thread article

Or just view any of the threads here or any of your usual rwing news sources.

Bowe is already a traitor and and a deserter in the majority of them, and Obama is an AQ sympathizer.

#12 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-02 02:02 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

#2 | Posted by paneocon

Paneo has already convicted this guy, based solely on info from cable newzzz, the Taliban, and some websites he is sympathetic towards. Rush to judgment anyone?
So much for the conconconstitution I guess.

"Can you provide some specific examples of this?"

See Fox News strategic analyst Ralph Peters

www.youtube.com

www.youtube.com

#13 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2014-06-02 02:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

Alright Zed.

I went to the big thread about this topic and came across maybe 2 comments that fit your caricature. And those comments occurred well after you started slaying imaginary straw-men.

Seriously, get a grip.

#14 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-06-02 02:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

-It is a horrible thing to convict this guy of treason in the court of public opinion prior to a proper investigation.

-It is a horrible thing to suggest that his freedom wasn't worth securing.

Both of which things are common in the rwing media today, not to mention on these threads and the Nooner.

#15 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-02 02:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

So Grossman anonymously quotes some 'opponents in congress'. It would be nice to have some names.

#16 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-06-02 02:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

Both of which things are common in the rwing media today, not to mention on these threads and the Nooner.

With Rwing media I'd need to see some specific examples. Apparently Moses provided a link or two, I'll check them in a moment.

These things were anything but common on the big thread for this subject. I'll check the back page in a few minutes.

I haven't been to the nooner today.

#17 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-06-02 02:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

Its what the liberal media wants, is to frame this as the "Benghazi".....

This whole episode is a deflection of real issues the Administration has.

Whats interesting is how the veterans are already forgotten in the media.

Great job Corky.

#18 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-06-02 02:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

That didn't really prove the point, Moses.

I thought Peters should have toned it down, but he included all of the important qualifiers.

#19 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-06-02 02:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

-Its what the liberal media wants, is to frame this as the "Benghazi".....

Be careful not to confuse this like you do your loofah and your falafel, young lady.

#20 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-02 02:22 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

"Former Rep. Allen West (R-Fla.), who served in the military but was relieved of his command after shooting his gun next to the head of an Iraqi detainee to try to scare him into giving information, argued on his website that Bergdahl was not "captured" by the Taliban and is no hero.

"His disappearance can only be classified as desertion and the media must not be so giddy about a good news story that they don't tell the truth -- which is apparent to many," West wrote. "The allegation of desertion is serious. It is grave because it occurred during a war, during combat operations."

#21 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-02 02:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

Okay,

I went to the thread asking whether or not he might be a deserter and found a few comments that could fit Zed's caricature, but they were all from the same person.

1 right-winger expressing his personal opinion multiple times does not translate into multiple right-wingers posting the same opinion.

Off to check another thread. Back in a few...

#22 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-06-02 02:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

Didn't find anything of significance on the thread where his comrades in arms didn't have good things to say about him.

Off to the next thread...

#23 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-06-02 02:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

Right-Wing Media Attack On Bergdahl's Rescue Ignore Military's Commitment To Freeing POWs

mediamatters.org

chk the quotes from the usual suspects

#24 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-02 02:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

2 other threads an a couple of comments easily construed as offensive and can be shoe-horned into Zed/Corky's descriptions.

That's it?

2 maybe 3 RW posters on this site making some objectionable comments. That's really all?

One link to Ralph Peters issuing a fairly strong indictment of this guy if the allegations prove true (his words)?

A reference by Marc Grossman (without context) of opponents in congress playing politics with this (gee, there's a real shocker).

Zed just conjured up a narrative in his mind. At least the Cork and Moses provided a modicum of source material to try and substantiate their claims.

#25 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-06-02 02:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

CORKY even Jimmy Carter knew the golden rule of diplomacy is you don't negotiating with terrorists.

#26 | Posted by paneocon at 2014-06-02 02:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

The Obama Akbar! crowd is completely a delusional self parody.

Obama gets us involved in Libya, lies about it from the start, has Americans die unncessarily at the hands of people his actions aided and then leaves the country a terrorist infested mess. And all criticism about that is ca-ary-zee and wrong according to the brown nosers.

Now you have a situation where Obama negotiated with terrorists - a policy that has been criticized openly without controversy for decades - and all of the sudden it is ca-ray-zee to suggest that negotiating with terrorists is wrong.

Because their idol is president, having standards and being capable of critical thought is now insane.

Give me a break. You pathetic amateurs are an embarassment to skilled shills.

#27 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-02 02:41 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

Cork,

This is the only quote cited by Media Matters that fits the bill:

ABC News Contributor Bill Kristol: We Shouldn't Have Made Trade Because It's Possible Bergdahl Wasn't A "Real POW." On the June 2 edition of MSNBC's Morning Joe, ABC News contributor and conservative pundit Bill Kristol slammed the deal that secured Bergdahl's release by citing the 'anger' expressed by other soldiers and stating, "it's one thing to trade terrorists for a real P.O.W., for someone who's taken on the battlefield fighting honorably for our country. It's different to trade five high ranking terrorist for someone who walked away":

Having the opinion that such a deal will result in far worse down the road and thus the deal shouldn't have been agreed upon is NOT a horrible, repugnant opinion. I don't agree with the opinion, but I can at least see the logic behind the argument.

#28 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-06-02 02:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

Of course if Susan Rice tells us It's OK then it must be so as she is so creditable.

#29 | Posted by paneocon at 2014-06-02 02:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

If I was president, none of this nasty stuff would have happened! - Hillary

#30 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-06-02 02:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

-That's really all?

And objective survey, lol. And obviously not of the Nooner.

The point of the article, rwinger's use of Bowe Bergdahl as a new Benghazi-like attack against Obama, is evident in many places, as the Media Matters link reports.

The idea that they wouldn't, and are not, jumping to conclusions about his capture without awaiting evidence, or ignoring the military's duty to regain captives, or condemning the legal aspect when if it weren't Obama they wouldn't care, is naive at best.

#32 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-02 02:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

#27 | POSTED BY SULLY

Your making sense today, are you feeling OK?

#33 | Posted by paneocon at 2014-06-02 02:46 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

#27

Thinks this is about Libya, lmao!

You'll be glad to know that no less people than John Bolton, Michelle Malkin, John McCain, mAnn Coulter, and Karl Rove agree with your take.

You must be SO proud!

#34 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-02 02:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

Sgt. Bergdahl's Hometown Rejoices At His Long-Awaited Release

www.npr.org

#35 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-02 02:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Thinks this is about Libya, lmao!"

You posted the article and you're unaware that the author made a comparison to the backlash over Benghazi? Its the headline, FFS.

Not only do you drink the Kool Aid but apparently someone has to put it in a sippy cup for you first.

#36 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-02 02:54 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 3

The nooner didn't strengthen your case, Cork.

It's the same couple of people making essentially the same comments on multiple threads.

The idea that they wouldn't, and are not, jumping to conclusions about his capture without awaiting evidence, or ignoring the military's duty to regain captives, or condemning the legal aspect when if it weren't Obama they wouldn't care, is naive at best.
#32 | POSTED BY CORKY

No doubt.

But hypocrisy cuts both ways. Those very same people supporting Obama on this would have blasted Bush for violating the law and for negotiating with terrorists and they would be harping about the stupidity of releasing 5 detainees for what could well be a deserter's freedom. It's naive to think otherwise.

#37 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-06-02 02:54 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"The more farsighted may also discern the writing on the wall for Guantánamo itself. If five of its most "high value" occupants can be released with only the administration's say-so, Obama may yet be able to honour his recently repeated promise to close the place he regards as "unconstitutional" before he leaves office. There will simply be no one worth keeping there any longer.

In this way, the exchange may be seen as a sign – one of the most convincing yet – of the pragmatism that underlies the president's much-criticised foreign policy. It is about as far from the trigger-happy dogmatism of George Bush as it is possible to be; proof positive that the whole concept of the "war on terror" is no more.

At the same time, it should be observed that this is something that probably only a second-term president could even contemplate, however pragmatic he wanted to be."

www.theguardian.com

#38 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-02 02:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

One other comment I'd like to make:

If it turns out this guy did desert and if it turns out that he was seeking to become a traitor, what was his state of mind?

A war-zone truly is hell.

Some of the toughest hombres you'll ever meet have suffered PTSD after spending a year in a war zone.

We should all be cautious in passing judgement on this guy until a proper investigation has been done.

#39 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-06-02 02:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

Do we know anything specific about the Taliban people we traded?

really really bad guys? not sure?

Is this that big of a scandal? not in my opinion.

But if one of these Taliban guys turns up being involved in something bad.....

also, how many US prisoners are being held in the ME now by AQ/Taliban, or whoever?

#40 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-02 02:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

- Obama negotiated with terrorists

Yes, this is something a REAL terror warrior would never do... oh, wait...

"Can Republicans make this resonate outside their base? Hard to say. I think to most Americans, this is a feel-good story. We value a life, one American life.

Bibi Netanyahu traded one captive Israeli soldier, Gilad Shalit, not for five Palestinian prisoners. He traded Shalit for 1,027 Palestinian prisoners. And there was broad agreement across the spectrum of Israeli politics that bringing Shalit to safety, even at that price, was the right thing to do."

from the article

#41 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-02 02:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

The point of the article, rwinger's use of Bowe Bergdahl as a new Benghazi-like attack against Obama, is evident in many places, as the Media Matters link reports.

#32 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-02 02:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

Thinks this is about Libya, lmao!

#34 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-02 02:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

LMAO indeed.

#42 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-02 03:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

#36

The firm of Bolton, Rove, and Coulter appreciate your support.

#43 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-02 03:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

-LMAO indeed.

It is pretty funny that you think a false meme about Benghazi among rwingers, which you support, is somehow unlike the the false themes they are developing about the recovery of this last American POW.

#44 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-02 03:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

The firm of Bolton, Rove, and Coulter appreciate your support.

#43 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-02 03:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

Not as much as Al Quada appreciates Obama's I'm sure.

I haven't given Rove any money or small arms.

#45 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-02 03:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

#41 | POSTED BY CORKY

Netanyahu was under force of public opinion on the Gilad Shalit trade. I don't recall any massive out cry for Bowe Bergdahl release and considering what we are finding out now, public out cry will be to give him back to the Taliba

#46 | Posted by paneocon at 2014-06-02 03:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

#45

Will never get over his nickle being spent to help democracy seeking rebels.... and will always lie about it being support for AQ.

On Topic:

Has anyone noticed that rwingers, and their enablers, are trying to make this last American POW release into a new political football like Benghazi?

#47 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-02 03:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

It is pretty funny that you think a false meme about Benghazi among rwingers, which you support, is somehow unlike the the false themes they are developing about the recovery of this last American POW.

#44 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-02 03:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

Except I clearly stated in #27 why criticism of both is perfectly legitimate and you haven't even attempted to refute what I said because you can't.

Instead, you inexplicably pretended that I brought up Benghazi and what that didnt' work you just started attacking me with the kind of stuff you whine about when others do to you.

Not only can't you refute what I said but you can't even deflect away from what I said without being an incompetent, pathetic hypocrite about it.

#48 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-02 03:08 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Things that make you go HMMMMMMMMMMMMM

Obama can negotiate with terrorists but he can't negotiate with Republicans.

#49 | Posted by paneocon at 2014-06-02 03:09 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

-I don't recall any massive out cry for Bowe Bergdahl release and considering what we are finding out now, public out cry will be to give him back to the Taliba

Thanks. Jeffy wanted some additional proof or rwing overreach on this... and here it is.

#50 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-02 03:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

Has anyone noticed that rwingers, and their enablers, are trying to make this last American POW release into a new political football like Benghazi?

#47 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-02 03:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

Has anyone noticed that Corky is trying to frame this conversation under the false premise that criticism of either is somehow wrong, failing miserably and being a baby about it?

#51 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-02 03:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

Obama can negotiate with terrorists but he can't negotiate with Republicans.
#49 | POSTED BY PANEOCON

Oh they seem to be negotiating immigration reform just nicely. It's the Republicans that can't admit the fact that they actually are, but actions speak loudly.

#52 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-02 03:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

-attempted to refute what I said

Play along with your deflections to argue about Libya yet again rather than stay on topic?

I think not.

#53 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-02 03:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

#51

Sorry, I can't help it if you don't like people to understand the political company you keep. Karl is prolly fun at parties, eh?

#54 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-02 03:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

"There is no evidence that Sgt. Bergdahl was defecting."

www.drudge.com

Donnerboy post on anther thread

#55 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-02 03:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

Play along with your deflections to argue about Libya yet again rather than stay on topic?

I think not.

#53 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-02 03:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

You brought up Libya, hypocrite.

You are forwarding the false premise that criticism over Benghazi is somehow wrong and that criticism over Obama's negotiating with terrorist is comparable and therefore wrong too.

So I pointed out that Obama can be rightfully criticized over both issues. Now you shamelessly want to pretend that my mentioning of the events in Libya is off topic while at the same time continuing to make the same comparison to criticism of events in Libya.

That you are so blatantly hypocritical while exhibiting zero awareness of your obvious hypocrisy might be a symptom of mental illness. A sane hypocrite wouldn't be so blatant.

#56 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-02 03:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

Excellent article and thanks for posting it, Corky. It helps answer the question I asked on a related thread:

I wonder - not really - how those suffering from Obama Derangement Syndrome would react if the headline read:

"Taliban Behead US POW in Shocking Video, Claim 'We Offered Release But Obama Refused Prisoner Swap'"

Of course, I think we know the answer.

#57 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2014-06-02 03:24 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"Taliban Behead US POW in Shocking Video, Claim 'We Offered Release But Obama Refused Prisoner Swap'"

Of course, I think we know the answer.

#57 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2014-06-02 03:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

Do ya?

If you have to cite your imagination as a source for the "point" you're making, you are wasting your time.

#58 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-02 03:28 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 4

#57 | POSTED BY DOC_SARVIS
"Excellent article and thanks for posting it, Corky. It helps answer the question I asked on a related thread:
I wonder - not really - how those suffering from Obama Derangement Syndrome would react if the headline read:"

"Taliban Behead US POW in Shocking Video, Claim 'We Offered Release But Obama Refused Prisoner Swap'"

Right! And I gave YOU my answer on that thread, Doc.

"I can't speak for all of we Obama Derangement Syndrome sufferers, but I would probably first wonder what the price of that "offer" would be, what consequences it might bring and lastly, I'd ask myself how much mercy does this deserting traitor deserve? THEN, I'd have to admit I admire Obama for his decision to refuse to bite."

Ralph Peters was right! This sumbitch was a deserter and it comes from his mates who were THERE when he did it.

"The circumstances of the capture of Bowe Bergdahl had been in question long before his release – supposedly he had wandered off and captured by the Taliban.
But a soldier on Twitter is claiming that the official story is untrue, and has posted his version of the events that led to Bowe's capture as I originally posted on my blog.
Towards the end of his story, he says he fears reprisal from the Obama administration, and asks for legal help. It must be noted also that he has a avatar that bears a picture of Bowe with the word "traitor" posted over it.
After stating that "F[***] what you I heard. I was there.," here are the tweets telling his version of the story so far:"

www.ijreview.com

Jeeeezus, Doc, what does it take to bring you and you little buddies to reality??? You need to read what his own troops are saying.

#59 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-06-02 03:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

Bush released over 500 Gitmo prisoners. But releasing five in return for an America POW is an outrage!

Impeach Obama! Send Bergdahl back!

#60 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2014-06-02 03:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

#58 | POSTED BY SULLY

Thanks, Sully, but I'm afraid you're just peein' into the wind with these guys. With them it's not about Bergdahl anyway. It's ALL about defending each thought, each statement and every action by Obama.

#61 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-06-02 03:38 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

It was also a disappointment to Bowe. He had entered the Army for the adventure, as a substitute for the French Foreign Legion, and here he was, shackled to a bunch of goof-offs. Bowe told Fry he didn't think the other soldiers in the unit were competent to fight. "He wanted to be a mercenary, wanted to be a free gun," says Fry. "He had a notion he was a survivalist, claimed he knew how to survive with nothing because he grew up in Idaho. He had stories of him doing crazy ---- out in the woods for weeks in Idaho."

Read more: www.rollingstone.com
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Seems this guy was a nut.

#62 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-02 03:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

Returning to Alaska after Christmas, Bowe said something that would stick with Fry months later, long after they arrived in Afghanistan. "Before we deployed, when we were on Rear D, him and I were talking about what it would be like," Fry recalls. Bowe looked at his friend and made no bones about his plans. "If this deployment is lame," Bowe said, "I'm just going to walk off into the mountains of Pakistan."

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#63 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-02 03:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

Bush released over 500 Gitmo prisoners. But releasing five in return for an America POW is an outrage!

Impeach Obama! Send Bergdahl back!

#60 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2014-06-02 03:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

So every GITMO prisoner is the same?

The ones that were released were the ones who were deemed to be low threat.

These five were always considered high risk and the proof that the assessment is right is that the enemy wanted them specifically.

Plus releasing them on our own doesn't involve negotiating with terrorists, which before Obama did it was considered by pretty much everyone as bad policy.

#64 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-02 03:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

Bowe Bergdahl had a different response. He decided to walk away.

In the early-morning hours of June 30th, according to soldiers in the unit, Bowe approached his team leader not long after he got off guard duty and asked his superior a simple question: If I were to leave the base, would it cause problems if I took my sensitive equipment?

Yes, his team leader responded – if you took your rifle and night-vision goggles, that would cause problems.

Bowe returned to his barracks, a roughly built bunker of plywood and sandbags. He gathered up water, a knife, his digital camera and his diary. Then he slipped off the outpost.

Read more: www.rollingstone.com
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After reading the Rolling Stone article it seems his unit was poorly run and he simply decided to quit. Mind you detractors or those that disregard the article. This is the guy that brought down Stanley McChrystal so if he was good enough then he should be good enough now.

#65 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-02 03:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Thanks, Sully, but I'm afraid you're just peein' into the wind with these guys. With them it's not about Bergdahl anyway. It's ALL about defending each thought, each statement and every action by Obama."

It wasn't the President's job, nor those who negotiated the trade to judge Sgt. Bergdahl, it was their job to make sure we leave no American soldier captive of the enemy. If he deserted, or committed any other crime he can still be charged and punished for those crimes but that will be a decision made from within the military after he is returned.
The President, Sec. of Defense and the team that handled the recovery of Bergdahl all did their jobs appropriately though some here think he should have been judged by bloggers and sentenced to remain in the custody of the Taliban indefinitely.

#66 | Posted by danni at 2014-06-02 03:48 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

The President, Sec. of Defense and the team that handled the recovery of Bergdahl all did their jobs appropriately though some here think he should have been judged by bloggers and sentenced to remain in the custody of the Taliban indefinitely.
#66 | POSTED BY DANNI

A deserter's justice in the mind of many (and synonymous with the law):

AWOL and Desertion
Maximum Possible Punishments

(4) If the member deserts during time of war: Death or such other punishment (such as life in prison) as a court-martial may direct.
usmilitary.about.com

#67 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-02 03:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

Danni I posted quotes from soldiers that served beside him. I don't think we should release top Taliban terrorist for a guy that simply quit and walked off his post. Especially after 6 more soldiers died as a direct result of his desertion. Those 6 soldiers died while trying to rescue him. The reason he won't be prosecuted now is evidenced by the Susan Rice lie that he "served honorably" and was "captured on the battlefield" when clearly desertion isn't honorable and walking through the woods and stopping to take a crap isn't a battlefield.

#68 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-02 04:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

Will Bergdahl's father praise allah when his son is shot for treason?

#69 | Posted by paneocon at 2014-06-02 04:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

It doesn't matter what the GOP screams about anymore.

The majority of the population knows they're all crazed idiots and will never reclaim the white house unless they purge the idiots.

#70 | Posted by drewl at 2014-06-02 04:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

So here is where the liberals are coming to defend this deserter?

A lot of people who are "judging" this guy have been to war zones and know what's going on. This guy went missing when I was in Afghanistan. I remember the search for him. I remember the other soldiers getting killed looking for him(I notice Corky doesn't talk about them). Then I remember hearing he had just walked off base. I remember hearing he was anti American.

This gets personal for a lot of people. To know he was on guard duty when he walked off. He put a lot of other soldiers at risk. To know he had sympathy for the Taliban. To know he didn't have his fellow soldiers back when they were sleeping. And then to know people died trying to fulfill the promise to not leave anyone behind to go and get HIM.

To me, it speaks volumes about HIS character and to the character of those who died trying to save his life. He wasn't willing to do it for them, but they were willing to do it for him..

Sugar coat that Corky..

#71 | Posted by boaz at 2014-06-02 04:07 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

For the ODS crowd, if a GOPer was prez you'd be going on about how he snapped under pressure, etc., etc., etc., and absolutely, positively had to be gotten of Taliban hands if only to reiterate that "we don't leave our own behind" or some such formulaic rationalization.

I don't give a tinker's dam about this guy -- he struck me as a nutter from the get-go -- but your hypocrisy is laughable.

#72 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2014-06-02 04:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'm angry at the soldier, Doc, but I'm also angry at the Dems for defending him. I know he is a liberal soldier, but his actions are wrong, but I think admired by the far left.

What do you think?

#73 | Posted by boaz at 2014-06-02 04:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

BOAZ,

Nail on the proverbial head with a 20 pound sledge hammer.

#74 | Posted by bogey1355 at 2014-06-02 04:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

Boy, ain't it something that when the VA scandal starts to gain momentum, Bergdahl gets traded?

#75 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2014-06-02 04:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

I gotta admit, I'm 100% with Boaz on this one.

#76 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2014-06-02 04:31 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

If it ends up this guy is sick and was sick when he walked off his job, that will be a different story and I will attack the military assessment system before sending troops into combat situations.

#77 | Posted by boaz at 2014-06-02 04:31 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Thanks Lee..

#78 | Posted by boaz at 2014-06-02 04:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

#75 | POSTED BY LEE_THE_AGENT

Yeah, should have waited a week, er....year. *eye-roll*

If this guy is a deserter, even more reason to haul is ass back home. Was he worth five of their leaders? I dunno, but I also don't know what is being accomplished in Afghanistan.

If we were able to bring back a deserter to be held accountable in our form of justice and punishment, I say it's a win -- especially if he was on death's door (?). Death is a preferable out for the horrors provided in U.S. criminal justice system. And I'm not referring to the probability of prison rape.

#79 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-02 04:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

#71 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Does this provide any legitimate context:

The Marine being held in Mexico should claim he was defecting when he turned the wrong way.

#253 | Posted by wisgod
There is no evidence that Sgt. Bergdahl was defecting.
A transcript of radio intercepts, publicly released through Wikileaks, indicates that Bergdahl, then 23, was captured while sitting in a makeshift latrine.

'We were attacking the post he was sitting,' according to a radio intercept of a conversation among insurgents.

'He had no gun with him. ... They have all (the) Americans, ANA (Afghan National Army), helicopters, the planes are looking for him. Can you guys make a video of him and announce it all over Afghanistan that we have one of the Americans?'
Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk
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#256 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY AT 2014-06-02 03:11 PM

www.drudge.com

#80 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-02 04:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

#58 | POSTED BY SULLY

Definite ODS sufferer.

We should be patient, I s'poze.

#81 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-02 04:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

-the enemy wanted them specifically.

They are in Qatar for at least the next year.

#82 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-02 04:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

Rsty, what do you think about the direct quotes of him asking his commander if it would be a problem if he left the base and took his specialty items. Gun, night vision, ammo etc.... Or when he said if his deployment was "lame" he was going to leave. You are taking the word of insurgents over the guys he actually served with?

#83 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-02 04:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

@#73

Boaz - I'm waiting to see what hangs in the air after the hoorawers quiet down. However, the hypocrisy on display is, as ever, a hoot.

#84 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2014-06-02 04:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

@#73

Boaz - I'm waiting to see what hangs in the air after the hoorawers quiet down. However, the hypocrisy on display is, as ever, a hoot.

#85 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2014-06-02 04:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

You are taking the word of insurgents over the guys he actually served with?
#83 | POSTED BY DALTON

No, no, no...attempting to balance them accordingly, which is why I'm inquiring BOAZ's opinion on how he views the information provided by D-BOY.

#86 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-02 04:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

-Sugar coat that Corky..

"A transcript of radio intercepts, publicly released through Wikileaks, indicates that Bergdahl, then 23, was captured while sitting in a makeshift latrine.

'We were attacking the post he was sitting,' according to a radio intercept of a conversation among insurgents.

'He had no gun with him. ... They have all (the) Americans, ANA (Afghan National Army), helicopters, the planes are looking for him. Can you guys make a video of him and announce it all over Afghanistan that we have one of the Americans?'

Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk

Bite that, Boaz.

You've already tried and convicted a fellow soldier.

Mores the pity.

#87 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-02 05:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

They are in Qatar for at least the next year.
#82 | POSTED BY CORKY

How much you want to bet they get "disappered" sometime within that year?

#88 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-02 05:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

#88

They might be able to spell disappeared.

At least libertarians won't be whining about paying for their keep in Gitmo.

#89 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-02 05:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

Terrorist lovers taking the words of insurgents over the actual quotes from interviews conducted with soldiers that served side by side with the guy.

#90 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-02 05:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

They might be able to spell disappeared.

Sheesh. Prison has changed you.

At least libertarians won't be whining about paying for their keep in Gitmo.
#89 | POSTED BY CORKY

Indeed :-)

#91 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-02 05:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

#90 | POSTED BY DALTON

To be fair to us terrorist lovers, the terrorists' conversation was intercepted, its not like they divulged the information during interviews.

#92 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-02 05:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

-Terrorist lovers

lol.... his mates may not have liked, him, but since it has escaped your attention deficit, the recordings of the insurgents who took him, as they took him, are objective material.

They indicate he was at his post when he was captured... regardless of what ODS sufferers say.

#93 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-02 05:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

#58 | POSTED BY SULLY

Definite ODS sufferer.

We should be patient, I s'poze.

#81 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-02 04:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

Doc just assigns a fabricated position to anyone who is critical of negotiating with terrorists and somehow I'm wrong for pointing that out?

Good point. Very well reasoned.

#94 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-02 05:29 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 2

#80 | Posted by rstybeach11

They indicate he was at his post when he was captured... regardless of what ODS sufferers say.

He was taken in a town outside of his base. His post was on the base where he worked. He started walking over the mountains outside of the base early one morning. I will look for a link..

His own friends said this is how it happened. And you during an attack someone is going to be in the bathroom, and a makeshift one at that?

#95 | Posted by boaz at 2014-06-02 05:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

Even after his release, the circumstances surrounding Bergdahl's June 30, 2009, capture remain murky. Some soldiers in his unit have claimed he was a deserter.

Apparently disenchanted with the military, Bergdahl slipped away from his unit's mountain outpost in eastern Afghanistan -- carrying only water, a knife, his digital camera and diary, according to a 2012 report in Rolling Stone that quoted soldiers in his unit

Read more: www.nydailynews.com

You suck that, Corky..

#96 | Posted by boaz at 2014-06-02 05:53 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

This guy was nothing more than a scumbag..

In one of his final emails to his parents, Bergdahl outlined his complaints about the military and expressed his disgust over how the war was being waged.

"I am ashamed to be an American. And the title of U.S. soldier is just the lie of fools," he wrote in the June 27 email. "I am sorry for everything. The horror that is America is disgusting."

#97 | Posted by boaz at 2014-06-02 05:54 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

Swapping for a sorry soldier?
I not only have no problem with that, I actively approve of it. Just because I might not trust a guy with a wet match does not change the fact that he is willingly taking risks with me.
You don't just move heaven and earth to get Audie Murphy back if he is a prisoner, you do the same for Private Barney Fife.

Swapping for a deserter (or worse)?
Not so sure about that. To early to really say, but if there is any truth to what is being said, and there is probably at least some, then we made mistake.

#98 | Posted by USAF242 at 2014-06-02 05:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

I don't know about anyone else, but I have far more respect for the word of someone who was over there at the time of Bergdahl's capture like Boaz than an armchair soldier like corky who was never even in the service yet pontificates from the safety of his gated estate on the coast of Florida

#99 | Posted by goatman at 2014-06-02 06:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

AWOL and Desertion
Maximum Possible Punishments

(4) If the member deserts during time of war: Death or such other punishment (such as life in prison) as a court-martial may direct.
usmilitary.about.com

#67 | Posted by rstybeach11

Only one problem... this law does not apply...Congress never bothered to declare war.

Again.

#100 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-06-02 06:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

Only one problem... this law does not apply...Congress never bothered to declare war.

Then that means there shouldn't have been a "prisoner" exchange if there was no war, which also made his "captors" terrorists and we don't negotiate with terrorists, at least we aren't supposed to..

Unless it's a democrat in office..

#101 | Posted by boaz at 2014-06-02 06:10 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

This story is totally blowing up on the libs. This is what happens when you've got amateurs running the show. Good thing they've still got some of the media carrying their water.

#102 | Posted by justanoversight at 2014-06-02 06:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

Only Bergdahl knows what happened. Unless he opened his mouth wide and said something really stupid he should and will be home free. All else is BS.

#103 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-06-02 06:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

And, how exactly is this story "blowing up on libs'? lol. JAO, don't be such a drama queen. Most of us "libs" are happy Bergdahl is home, and have no problem with the military investigating the circumstances surrounding his capture.

#104 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-06-02 06:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

Then that means there shouldn't have been a "prisoner" exchange if there was no war, which also made his "captors" terrorists and we don't negotiate with terrorists, at least we aren't supposed to..

Unless it's a democrat in office..

#101 | Posted by boaz

We are technically not at war so he was a hostage.

And "WE" did not negotiate with terrorists.

First the Taliban are not officially classified as terrorists.

Second "we" didn't do the negotiating. Qatar did on our behalf.

Third if it was a Republican in office they would have traded millions in weapons for him..

#105 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-06-02 06:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

#104...This is turning out be a real win for Pres #MadAsHell. Breaking the law while negotiating with terrorists and releasing 5 of the highest level terrorists in the world. Nice work.

#106 | Posted by justanoversight at 2014-06-02 06:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

Only one problem... this law does not apply...Congress never bothered to declare war.
Again.

#100 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

You and your attention to detail.

Sheesh.

Even better reason to bring his butt back here. Reform the ------ and put him to work!

#107 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-02 06:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

And you during an attack someone is going to be in the bathroom, and a makeshift one at tht?
#95 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Isn't there a possibility that he was hiding?

#108 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-02 06:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

Gawd, I hope this is the issue over which they finally impeach Obama. We saw what happened to the Rethugs the last time they impeached a president. The Rethugs are so tone-deaf outside their bubble they probably think it would be a good thing, but impeach him for bringing home an American soldier, and the Dems sweep to power in the house in the fall, gain a 60+ seat majority in the Senate, Obama actually gets some things done in the final two years of his presidency to get the economy rolling, and the Rethugs are finally cast to the scrap heap of history. Obama leaves office at over 60% popularity, and Hillary is elected in a landslide. So c'mon Rethugs, this is finally your moment, your issue, have the strength of your convictions and impeach Zero, he dares you!

#109 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2014-06-02 07:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I am ashamed to be an American. And the title of U.S. soldier is just the lie of fools," he wrote in the June 27 email. "I am sorry for everything. The horror that is America is disgusting."

#97 | Posted by boaz

Child's play.

I bet if I took a few sentences of yours completely out of context I can make you look a whole lot worse.

#110 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-06-02 07:31 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"...5 of the highest level terrorists in the world..."

Wow. These guys get closer to being Bond villains every day.

#111 | Posted by REDIAL at 2014-06-02 07:44 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 3

Three other comments, and I'm not sure if they've been made here yet or not.

1. St. Ronnie illegally traded arms for hostages, so he negotiated with hostage takers.

2. As hard as it is to say this, it's a point I heard on the radio this morning, and it makes sense. The Taliban aren't really terrorists in the true sense of the word. They are one side in a civil war. They did provide aid and comfort to Bin Laden and AQ, but I don't recall any reports of our troops fighting Taliban fighters outside Afghanistan. Some of them might have joined AQ and fought with them in places like Syria, but the actual Taliban is an Afghan organization. Bad guys, sure but when we left Viet Nam we settled up with the north, same in Korea. We are leaving Afghanistan, time to settle up with them.

3. Had the Rethugs not been so intransigent on trying these guys in the American court system, they would be in prison now, and beyond Obama's reach for this trade. How long were we going to hold them in limbo? I'm pretty sure that would have to end once the conflict was over.

#112 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2014-06-02 07:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

"if President George W. Bush or a President McCain or President Romney had secured Bergdahl's release in exchange for five Taliban prisoners at Gitmo, Republicans would be defending the move all the way.:"

BULLSHIRT

First, it's a bonehead move. Second, they wouldn't have been dumb enough to do it. Third, they would have gotten the Marine in Mexico out with a simple phone call before ever trading this sympathizer for anything.

#113 | Posted by sames1 at 2014-06-02 08:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

Q: Is Bergdahl is GOP's New Benghazi?

A: It must be your new Benghazi since you trot out your Susan Rice to lie for you again.

Q: Is Bergdahl is GOP's New Benghazi?

A: No, we still have Benghazi.

Q: Is Bergdahl changing the conversation away from the VA scandal as Obama hopes?

A: No, we still have that scandal to talk about too.

Q: Is Obama a joke?

A: Yes, he is.

#114 | Posted by mysterytoy at 2014-06-02 09:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

#114 - That soma must taste mighty good; it certainly isn't doing anything for your reasoning skills, though.

#115 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2014-06-03 07:56 AM | Reply | Flag:

Is Bergdahl the next Fast&Furious or the next IRS or the next NSA or the next Benghazi or the next VA scandal?

#116 | Posted by wisgod at 2014-06-03 08:20 AM | Reply | Flag:

It's surprising that Susan Rice would come out with the lie that this guy "served honorably and with distinction" on a Sunday show. What about the guys that died trying to find this deserter? How do you dbg's saying these soldiers that died and and the handful that received purple hearts trying to find this deserter defend yourselves?

#117 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-03 09:12 AM | Reply | Flag:

This deal that was brokered is awful too. It was like a sports team GM went to another GM and said... Give me your five best players and we will trade you a guy that doesn't even want to be on your team.

#118 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-03 09:14 AM | Reply | Flag:

we will trade you a guy that doesn't even want to be on your team.

#118 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-03 09:14 AM | Reply |

RCADE has already said it. If you guys insist on employing a moral test on which US servicemen "deserve" the right of rescue, you're going to pay a political price.

Not to mention that, as news becomes fuller about this sergeant, there's serious doubt he's quite the bad man you want him to be.

#119 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-03 09:28 AM | Reply | Flag:

the lie that this guy "served honorably and with distinction"

#117 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-03 09:12 AM | Reply

This is what I mean. This isn't a lie. Its the current opinion of the US Army.

Like you brining Susan Rice into this. Knew that you'd force some sort of Benghazi connection quickly.

#120 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-03 09:32 AM | Reply | Flag:

Not to mention that, as news becomes fuller about this sergeant, there's serious doubt he's quite the bad man you want him to be.

#119 | Posted by Zed

No, walking off the post and 6 people dying after being ordered to find your cowardly butt is no biggie. At least Obama didn't order the troops to stand down like Benghazi.

#121 | Posted by wisgod at 2014-06-03 09:33 AM | Reply | Flag:

Zed, the guy literally asked if he could take his weapon if he decided to leave his post. He literally cost 6 men their lives looking for him. A handful of men received a purple heart for injuries while looking for him. He is a deserter. Then the administration lied and said he served honorably. How can one desert their fellow troops and serve honorably? They can't and Obama etc... lied about it. Then Obama had the wisdom(hilarious) to trade a deserter for taliban leadership which a few knew bin laden personally. Answer this question. All things being equal starting today. Who do you think would go fight for their side right now? Bergdahl or the guys Obama let loose?

#122 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-03 09:33 AM | Reply | Flag:

Like you brining Susan Rice into this. Knew that you'd force some sort of Benghazi connection quickly.

#120 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-03 09:32 AM | Reply | Flag:

I didn't bring Susan Rice into this liar. She brought herself into it when she lied again claiming this deserter served "honorably with distinction".

#123 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-03 09:34 AM | Reply | Flag:

He is a deserter.

#122 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-03 09:33 AMFlag: (Choose)
FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusiv
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I feel your pain. I'm often dinged for suspecting Eddie Snowden is traitor.

But maybe he isn't. So I want him back to his home country for examination. This sergeant will be examined, too.

If he's cut loose, you guys will have your private members out and waving in a mine field of your own creation.

#124 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-03 09:36 AM | Reply | Flag:

She brought herself into it when she lied again claiming this deserter served "honorably with distinction".

#123 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-03 09:34

Its the current opinion of the United States Army. Unless you know better. Liar.

#125 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-03 09:37 AM | Reply | Flag:

This story proves one simple fact. You don't care that Snowden leaked the NSA story except for the fact that it embarrassed the man you love. You all have claimed how it put people in danger and blah blah blah. Then you have a soldier walk off his post and men died looking for him and you claim they don't like him and that's why they are saying these things about him. Pathetic.

#126 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-03 09:37 AM | Reply | Flag:

The nice thing Zed, is you can recycle all your excuses from the last 5 Obama bone-headed moves. Lord knows you can't come up with anyting original regarding this issue.

#127 | Posted by wisgod at 2014-06-03 09:38 AM | Reply | Flag:

"First the Taliban are not officially classified as terrorists."

They were accomplices to 9/11 and numerous other attacks.

"Second "we" didn't do the negotiating. Qatar did on our behalf."

Nobody who understands the logic behind the policy of refusing to negotiate with terrorists would think this distinction matters.

#128 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-03 09:39 AM | Reply | Flag:

Its the current opinion of the United States Army. Unless you know better. Liar.

#125 | Posted by Zed

Sure, like a video was the current opinion until they got called on the carpet over the Al Qaeda flag.

#129 | Posted by wisgod at 2014-06-03 09:41 AM | Reply | Flag:

If Bergdahl is a deserter, then why did we waste resources, including lives, searching for him?

just asking.....personally I don't see the point in making this a political argument. Is it the idea that Obama saw a political opportunity to get one of our soldiers back and that it would look good if he arranged it and didn't bother to think about the fact that this guy might really be a deserter posing as a prisoner? On top of the fact that the arrangement was done illegally?

what bothers me is the guys we let go....is that going to come back to bite us in the ---?

#130 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-03 09:42 AM | Reply | Flag:

Its the current opinion of the United States Army. Unless you know better. Liar.

#125 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-03 09:37 AM | Reply | Flag:

Forgive me if I go with what past emails and comments made by the deserter along with the soldiers that served with him say. Also, it was determined by the Army in 2010 that he walked off leaving his post. He even asked his commander if he decided to leave if it would be a problem if he took his weapon. His dad tweeted just after his release he was working to free more gitmo prisoners then had to delete it. Not only that but, then Obama trades 5 high ranking taliban people whom 3 of the 5 are known to have known bin laden personally. Which likely means they knew of the 9-11 attacks prior to the attack. Just say it Zed. You love Obama and no matter what you will defend him even if he releases people that at a minimum knew 9-11 was about to happen.

#131 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-03 09:45 AM | Reply | Flag:

Eberly the reason this current debacle became political along with Benghazi is the Obama administration are liars and Obama makes them political. Benghazi became political the moment they realized their whole "al queda is on the run" meme was exposed. It became political when they realized their decision to provide air support for al queda in Lybia was exposed as a failure. Now we have the Bergdahl desertion. This became political the moment they decided to trade high level taliban members who likely knew about 9-11 prior to the attack for a soldier that likely deserted his fellow soldiers. Those same soldiers he deserted went looking for him and 6 of them died. Several also received purple hearts while looking for him. Then Susan Rice comes out and claims this deserter served with "honor and distinction" to make it seem politically acceptable. On top of that Obama trots out the mother and father of a soldier for a tearful anouncement that he secured a American soldier who was captured when he actually decided he didn't want to be on the team anymore.

#132 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-03 09:54 AM | Reply | Flag:

"This became political the moment they decided to trade high level taliban members who likely knew about 9-11 prior to the attack for a soldier that likely deserted his fellow soldiers."

then why make that move, as this backlash would be a certainty?

why would Obama trade these bad guys for someone who he knew would be labeled as a deserter?

#133 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-03 10:00 AM | Reply | Flag:

Q: Is Obama a joke?

A: Yes, he is.

#114 | POSTED BY MYSTERYTOY

And I bet that you are really pissed that this "joke" will be remembered for passing the most comprehensive health insurance reform in history AND killing Osama Bin Laden.

Dang the bad luck.

#134 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-06-03 10:01 AM | Reply | Flag:

what bothers me is the guys we let go....is that going to come back to bite us in the ---?

#130 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-03 09:42 AM | Reply | Flag

Obama is a young man in terms of retiring presidents. One day we will wake to a story where large numbers of people have died at the hands of at least one of the men he has released. Then we will have to remember they were released to recover a soldier that hated his country(the soldiers own words)and deserted his fellow soldier. This soldier won't be investigated either. Obama has already declared he served with "honor and distinction" so I imagine one day he takes a serious @$$ kicking if he ever has the nerve to stick his neck out in public once this story dies down.

#135 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-03 10:01 AM | Reply | Flag:

why would Obama trade these bad guys for someone who he knew would be labeled as a deserter?

#133 | Posted by eberly

Good question. Why would he not follow the law and consult Congress? He had 5 years...

#136 | Posted by wisgod at 2014-06-03 10:03 AM | Reply | Flag:

You guys really think we can lock up the bad guys of the world forever in GITMO?

You should be cheering that Qatar took them and hoping more countries will step up take reponsibility for the rest of them.

#137 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-06-03 10:05 AM | Reply | Flag:

And I bet that you are really pissed that this "joke" will be remembered for passing the most comprehensive health insurance reform in history AND killing Osama Bin Laden.

Dang the bad luck.

#134 | Posted by donnerboy

Yeah, that Goverment run Healthcare works so well at the VA. I'm sure bonuses will be Executive Ordered shortly for the IRS.

#138 | Posted by wisgod at 2014-06-03 10:05 AM | Reply | Flag:

then why make that move, as this backlash would be a certainty?

why would Obama trade these bad guys for someone who he knew would be labeled as a deserter?

#133 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-03 10:00 AM | Reply | Flag:

Couple of un reported notes here. The Emir of Qatar was actually at the speech Obama gave at West Point last week. They were working this deal out and that is disgusting on Obama's part. Second, Obama thought he could spin this story on a Saturday morning with that rose garden ceremony along with Susan Rice coming out on Sunday shows saying the guys served with honor and was captured on the battlefield which we now know is a lie. Third Obama didn't think anyone would question such a heart felt story about a poor soldier being held captive for five years. Fourth Obama wants to close Gitmo and these guys couldn't be tried in court but, were labeled to dangerous to release and this was a convenient story line to get rid of them.

#139 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-03 10:09 AM | Reply | Flag:

"You guys really think we can lock up the bad guys of the world forever in GITMO?"

I said at the time that we should have let the Northern Alliance suffocate them in boxcars instead of taking them into custody. The 2nd best option would be the keep the worst ones locked up, which is feasible because the assumption that they are immortal and would have to be locked up "forever" is false.

#140 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-03 10:10 AM | Reply | Flag:

You should be cheering that Qatar took them and hoping more countries will step up take reponsibility for the rest of them.

#137 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-06-03 10:05 AM | Reply | Flag

You guys are scary. They are only under watch in Qatar for a year. Then what? They also can communicate with other Taliban leadership during that year. The fact that you guys are so cavalier about releasing people that knew the date and time 9-11 was going to happen on 9-10 are scary.

#141 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-03 10:13 AM | Reply | Flag:

How anyone can assume these 5 guys are not a threat now is beyond me.

#142 | Posted by wisgod at 2014-06-03 10:21 AM | Reply | Flag:

"WASHINGTON -- Sometime after midnight on June 30, 2009, Pfc. Bowe Bergdahl left behind a note in his tent saying he had become disillusioned with the Army, did not support the American mission in Afghanistan and was leaving to start a new life. He slipped off the remote military outpost in Paktika Province on the border with Pakistan and took with him a soft backpack, water, knives, a notebook and writing materials, but left behind his body armor and weapons -- startling, given the hostile environment around his outpost.

That account, provided by a former senior military officer briefed on the investigation into the private's disappearance, is part of a more complicated picture emerging of the capture of a soldier whose five years as a Taliban prisoner influenced high-level diplomatic negotiations, brought in foreign governments, and ended with him whisked away on a helicopter by American commandos."

Read it and weep you desertion defenders. The guy left a note. Now is there any doubt he is guilty of deserting his fellow soldiers? What new excuse will you Obama defenders come up with?

#143 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-03 10:28 AM | Reply | Flag:

Also, the fact that Bergdahl left a note proves Susan Rice lied Sunday when she said he served with honor and distinction.

#144 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-03 10:29 AM | Reply | Flag:

How anyone can assume these 5 guys are not a threat now is beyond me.

#142 | Posted by wisgod at 2014-06-03 10:21 AM | Reply | Flag:

Don't worry. Qatar is on the case!

LOL

#145 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-03 10:30 AM | Reply | Flag:

Also, the fact that Bergdahl left a note proves Susan Rice lied Sunday when she said he served with honor and distinction.

#144 | Posted by Dalton

That's what's got me scratching my head. Why is this Administration this stupid....again?

#146 | Posted by wisgod at 2014-06-03 10:31 AM | Reply | Flag:

"He was always in his bunk. He ordered Rosetta Stone for all the languages there, learning Dari and Arabic and Pashto." This is from the same article. It's likely this guy aided the enemy after his "capture". He learned the local language and it appears according to other soldiers said IED attacks went up drastically after he left. I hope the Army looks into this and the next time he sees his parents it's through a set of bars.

#147 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-03 10:33 AM | Reply | Flag:

Well Sully, Donnerboy did vouch for Qatar keeping them on the straight and narrow, so what could go wrong?

#148 | Posted by wisgod at 2014-06-03 10:34 AM | Reply | Flag:

Forgive me if I go with what past emails and comments made by the deserter

#131 | Posted by Dalton at 2014

I'm not going to forgive you yet. Highly premature. If he's a traitor, we're going to know that. Fully. There's absolutely no need to pay attention to what you think about the matter at this moment. I've surely seen you be wrong, Sonny.

Beyond this: It is an American value to bring home the dead, the wounded, and the captured. Its a promise made to every serviceman, without reference to nature of service record.

Let me be clear about what really chaps me about this latest Republican foray into rabid, foaming at the mouth politics:

You people can't keep chopping into chum any and every ordinary American value of morality and behavior just because you think its going to earn you political brownie points somehow.

It makes you look depraved.

#149 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-03 10:36 AM | Reply | Flag:

Now is there any doubt he is guilty of deserting his fellow soldiers? What new excuse will you Obama defenders come up with?

#143 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-03 10:28 AMFlag: (Choose)
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I'm going to keep repeating this until it sinks into you're morally-challenged "personalities":

If you keep applying a moral test to deciding which soldiers we bring back home----You're going to lose. Most people out here are better than you.

#150 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-03 10:40 AM | Reply | Flag:

"why would Obama trade these bad guys for someone who he knew would be labeled as a deserter?"

Probably because he's totally incompetent and he thinks he's omnipotent and invulnerable. Face it, he hasn't really suffered that badly from all the major stumbles all throughout his terms in office. He's also confident that he has most of the media sources in his back pocket, although that may be beginning to slip. These last two, V.A.gate and Bergdahlgate are hurting him right now. We'll have to wait and see how it works out. If this wasn't so effin' tragic it would be comical to the max. Here's his sweetie, Susan Rice:

Rice on one hand said he had lost considerable weight and faced an "acute" situation. Yet she said he appeared to be "in good physical condition" and "is said to be walking."

OK, Susie, honey, which is it, "acute" or "good?"

Where in hell does Barackus Maximus FIND these people.

#151 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-06-03 10:43 AM | Reply | Flag:

"If he's a traitor, we're going to know that. Fully."

That's not true. IF he is a traitor it is already known. And the administration has already said he served admirably. It may come out in the press or from stories of fellow soldiers but IF he was up to no good we will never hear it officially. Because it would mean they already know and already lied.

Also, your claim to the moral high ground is tenuous at best so you may want to tone it down a notch and stop pretending you speak for all Americans. What a deserter who put the lives of others in danger (6 of whom died as a result IF the stories are true) "deserves" is highly debatable and this consensus among Americans you are talking about is a fabrication.

#152 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-03 10:54 AM | Reply | Flag:

"And I bet that you are really pissed that this "joke" will be remembered for passing the most comprehensive health insurance reform in history..."

You got THAT right, Donnerboy, he'll be remembered all right. Of course that comprehensive healthplan signed by the "joke" is NOT so comprehensive and is changed almost every day by unlawful changes. The number of people who are pissed is gonna increase rapidly when all the rest of it clicks in and nobody is finding much funny about this "joke" even now.

#153 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-06-03 10:55 AM | Reply | Flag:

"IF he is a traitor it is already known. And the administration has already said he served admirably."

Kinda like the video that cause the death of an ambassador and three other American's isn't it?

#154 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-06-03 10:57 AM | Reply | Flag:

"If you keep applying a moral test to deciding which soldiers we bring back home----"

Gee, Zed, you STILL don't get it. It's not a moral test about bringing home soldiers, it's a truth test and competency test for your main man and the entire administration!

#155 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-06-03 11:01 AM | Reply | Flag:

"If he's a traitor, we're going to know that. Fully"

I hope so, but as it's been pointed out, that would require the Army and the White House to reverse it's previous statements about this guy.

They aren't going to want to do that no matter what they learn about this guy. I think they'll be compelled to make him a hero regardless of the actual facts.

I'm not predicting a big lie or conspiracy or anything like that.

I just find it strange that we would broker this deal with knowledge of this guy people already had.

#156 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-03 11:02 AM | Reply | Flag:

That's what's got me scratching my head. Why is this Administration this stupid....again?

#146 | Posted by wisgod at 2014-06-03 10:31 AM | Reply | Flag

Honestly I wonder if narcissism at this point. It's like Hillary said... at this point what difference does it make?

#157 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-03 11:06 AM | Reply | Flag:

Guys. The soldier left a note for christ sake! A note. What else is there to gather? He walked off from his post. Senior military thinks he likely got out by hiding in a private contractors vehicle. He's a traitor at worse and at best guilty of desertion. Zed can shove his moral questions up his @$$ as far as I'm concerned. This loser won't stand up to media scrutiny and he should hope after all of this is found out that he gets locked up or he needs to hide out in Idaho in the woods somewhere b/c I imagine real soldiers won't take kindly to his actions that resulted in 6 deaths and dozens of other soldiers being injured trying to find him.

#158 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-03 11:13 AM | Reply | Flag:

Eberly, Obama and crew are going to stick with the "served honorably" lie b/c it's all they got. How else can they justify trading the Talibans dream team for a guy that walked out on his country.

#159 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-03 11:14 AM | Reply | Flag:

"I just find it strange that we would broker this deal with knowledge of this guy people already had."

It has been known by the Pentagon that this guy deserted in 2010 and they also have what they termed a "major classified file" on him since then. they also have evidence that he might have even been a collaborator.

This whole incident would not be considered so "strange" if you consider all the major gaffes over time and deem this administration to be totally incompetent.

#160 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-06-03 11:17 AM | Reply | Flag:

I know nothing about the military...full disclosure on that.

But......my perception of "desertion" is running away from battle in a manner other than allowing oneself to be captured by the enemy. An example would be switching dog tags with a dead soldier who had travel orders to go home. Maybe that's a virtual impossibility today with technology....

Do our soldiers have any expectation of being treated decently, if captured by the Taliban or AQ or any Muslim faction? what did Bergdahl expect would happen to him if he was captured?

#161 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-03 11:19 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Guys. The soldier left a note for christ sake! A note."

He sneaked away at night by crawling under a fence. Afghan children told a patrol they saw him later "acting strange and crawling on his belly through the weeds." How in hell can ANYONE with even a FEW of the facts consider this maggot to be some kind of hero or something?

"Nathan Bradley Bethea, who served as an officer in Bergdahl's unit, said in an article Monday on the Daily Beast website that Bergdahl was not on patrol, as some reports have suggested.

"There was no patrol that night," he wrote. "Bergdahl was relieved from guard duty, and instead of going to sleep, he fled the outpost on foot. He deserted. I've talked to members of Bergdahl's platoon_including the last Americans to see him before his capture. I've reviewed the relevant documents. That's what happened."…

www.jihadwatch.org

#162 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-06-03 11:23 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Do our soldiers have any expectation of being treated decently, if captured by the Taliban or AQ or any Muslim faction?...

NO...they get beheaded, burned, hanged etc.

"...what did Bergdahl expect would happen to him if he was captured?"

Figure you out, Eb. He was looking to JOIN the Taliban, not become "captured." Look up some of his own emails, statements to bunkmates etc. Do you not know ANYTHING about the info available for this event? His value as a prisoner would have been negligible.

#163 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-06-03 11:30 AM | Reply | Flag:

"He was looking to JOIN the Taliban, not become "captured."

then why is he leaving the Taliban to come home?

#164 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-03 11:37 AM | Reply | Flag:

It's not a moral test about bringing home soldiers,

#155 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-06

When you say, and you guys have been, that this man is not worth bringing home because he is such a bad man, then it is of course a moral test.

In posing a moral test, and then getting so amazing hot and bothered about what comes out of your sick imaginations, you yourselves fail a moral test.

Once again: To hell with you.

#165 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-03 11:38 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Obama and crew are going to stick with the "served honorably" lie

#159 | Posted by Dalton at

No, no moral test here.

Hypocrites.

#166 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-03 11:39 AM | Reply | Flag:

His value as a prisoner would have been negligible.

#163 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-06-03 11:30 AMFlag: (Choose)
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No, no moral test here.

Hypocrites.

#167 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-03 11:40 AM | Reply | Flag:

It is absurd, hypocritical and immoral for any American, especially military, to oppose the return of Bergdahl. The man is a US soldier. He clearly went a little bit bonkers, either due to preexisting mental illness or illness that arose while in uniform, and got himself captured. For rightwingers and Obama-haters to write him off as some sort of traitor is disgusting beyond belief.

#168 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-06-03 11:41 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

How in hell can ANYONE with even a FEW of the facts consider this maggot to be some kind of hero or something?

#162 | Posted by jestgettinalong at

No, no, no.....We don't create any moral tests here, No sirree.

Ya'll have to know what hypocrites you are. Check the polls in the next several days. I'm betting everyone else knows that too.

#169 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-03 11:43 AM | Reply | Flag:

For rightwingers and Obama-haters to write him off as some sort of traitor is disgusting beyond belief.

#168 | Posted by moder8

Hope it's Ok if members of his Platoon do because they are. Maybe they don't care for the 6 lives lost trying to retrieve this guy.

#170 | Posted by wisgod at 2014-06-03 11:47 AM | Reply | Flag:

"then why is he leaving the Taliban to come home?"

Jeeeez, Eb? figure it out, man! If they could trade this ONE used up guy for the "dream team," he would HAVE to agree to go back or face some unpleasant circumstances.

#171 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-06-03 11:48 AM | Reply | Flag:

Maybe they don't care for the 6 lives lost trying to retrieve this guy.

#170 | Posted by wisgod at 2014-06-03 11:47 AMFlag: (Choose)
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Its an American value to bring back the dead, the wounded, the missing, and the captured.

Sucks, I know. Maybe we'll all eventually have the sucky America you guys envision.

#172 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-03 11:49 AM | Reply | Flag:

he would HAVE to agree to go back or face some unpleasant circumstances.

#171 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-06-03 11:48 AMFlag: (Choose)
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If he's been a member of the Taliban and comes back, perhaps we get to execute him.

Therefore it sucks to be him. But it also sucks to be him if he's simply been mentally ill. You freaks don't care.

#173 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-03 11:51 AM | Reply | Flag:

Maybe we'll all eventually have the sucky America you guys envision.

#172 | Posted by Zed

That happened when Obama took the oath of office.

#174 | Posted by wisgod at 2014-06-03 11:53 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

That happened when Obama took the oath of office.

#174 | Posted by wisgod at 2014-06-03 11:53 AM | Reply

The Republic is going to survive Obama. Get used to that idea. And get used to the idea that your toad-like moral posturing isn't helping anyone, starting with you.

#175 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-03 11:55 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Jeeeez, Eb? figure it out, man! If they could trade this ONE used up guy for the "dream team," he would HAVE to agree to go back or face some unpleasant circumstances."

I see. Berghahl has to come home so these 5 guys can be released, otherwise the Taliban will be pissed at him.

#176 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-03 11:56 AM | Reply | Flag:

Obama and crew are going to stick with the "served honorably" lie

#159 | Posted by Dalton at

No, no moral test here.

Hypocrites.

#166 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-03 11:39 AM | Reply | Flag:

If saying that he didn't serve honorably is a moral test then so is saying that he served honorably.

That said, apart from your selective outrage - you're wrong anyway. Saying a deserter didn't serve honorably isn't a moral test. Words have meaning and desertion does not satisfy the requirements for serving "honorably". Factually, deserters have not served honorably.

#177 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-03 11:59 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

They are only under watch in Qatar for a year. Then what? They also can communicate with other Taliban leadership during that year.

The war will be over in a year.

Then all the prisoners of war will need to be released and we will get nothing for them.

Amazing how short sighted some people are.

#178 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-06-03 12:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

"It is absurd, hypocritical and immoral for any American, especially military, to oppose the return of Bergdahl."

For you, ZED and the other Obamites here, I've never opposed his return. I think the price stinks to high heaven but I would like to see his return to face the charges of desertion and possibly treason. I lookat it in the same light as healthcare reform. We need it, but the price of Obamacare is exhorbitant.

All this talk about serving honorably and all the "moral/immoral" discussion is giving me nausea. Bergdahl is what we called a "maggot" and the U.S. made a horrible deal to achieve his return. I'll take pleasure in his court martial or incarceration in a nuthouse for life.

#179 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-06-03 12:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

Factually, deserters have not served honorably.

#177 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-03 11:59 AMFlag: (Choose)
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Factually, if you're critiquing a prisoner exchange on your perceptions of his worth as a human being, its a moral test.

We should only bring troops home that DALTON likes. Yeah. That's the ticket.

#180 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-03 12:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

It is absurd, hypocritical and immoral for any American, especially military, to oppose the return of Bergdahl. The man is a US soldier. He clearly went a little bit bonkers, either due to preexisting mental illness or illness that arose while in uniform, and got himself captured. For rightwingers and Obama-haters to write him off as some sort of traitor is disgusting beyond belief.

#168 | POSTED BY MODER8

It's the five Taliban commanders that raises the hackles.

FACT

#181 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-06-03 12:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

"If he's been a member of the Taliban and comes back, perhaps we get to execute him."

Maybe a court martial will accommodate you there. I hope it's a dignified firing squad and they all shoot straight.

#182 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-06-03 12:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

How in hell can ANYONE with even a FEW of the facts consider this maggot to be some kind of hero or something?

#162 | Posted by jestgettinalong

Like this fact?

For his part, Bowe does not appear to be a willing hostage. [In] August or September [of 2011], he reportedly managed to escape. When he was recaptured, he put up such a struggle that it took five militants to overpower him. "He fought like a boxer," [said] a Taliban fighter who had seen Bowe.

Read more: www.rollingstone.com

I say we hang him now and then we can talk about the "facts".

#183 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-06-03 12:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

Bergdahl is what we called a "maggot"

#179 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-06-03 12:00 PMFlag: (Choose)
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Perhaps he is. And perhaps not a few people foaming at his release are. The difference being, this trooper can't evade paying a price now if a price is warranted.

While the rest of you get to continue posting on this blog.

#184 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-03 12:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

Anybody got a link that all the Gitmo prisoners are to be released within the year? I saw Et al bring up that point, but no link. That's an interesting story in and of itself.

#185 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-06-03 12:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

You freaks don't care.

#173 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-03 11:51 AM | Reply | Flag:

Neither do you. You can grandstand all you want but everyone here knows that you're just a shill for the administration and will reverse engineer any excuse to defend its actions.

You don't care if this guy deserted or not.

You don't care that if he did, he cost six better men their lives.

You don't care about the consequences of negotiating with terrorists.

You don't care about what the five maniacs are going to do next.

You're not fooling anyone.

#186 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-03 12:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

'Notch, many rightwingers and kneejerk Obama haters on this thread and others threads on the DR are expressing views that Bergdahl is a traitor who we should not have negotiated for.
I agree that it is one thing to oppose the return of Bergdahl and a very different thing to oppose the price in released Talibanis we paid.

#187 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-06-03 12:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

"It is absurd, hypocritical and immoral for any American, especially military, to oppose the return of Bergdahl."

what if we had to disband our entire military and write a check for $3 trillion dollars to get Bergdahl back?

are those terms still acceptable and if we don't agree to them, then we are behaving "absurd, hypocritical and immoral"?

or is there a line that can be crossed with regards to the terms of the deal?

you seem to want to ignore what we are giving up in this deal......I wonder why?

no....not really.

#188 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-03 12:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

everyone here knows that you're just a shill for the administration

#186 | Posted by Sully at

OK, that does it. MODER8 is back in my will and you're out of it. I'll have my lawyer, who is also a maggot, draw up the codicil.

#189 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-03 12:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

I say we hang him now and then we can talk about the "facts".

#183 | Posted by donnerboy

Facts? From this Admin? More like a pardon from Obama on his way out the door.

#191 | Posted by wisgod at 2014-06-03 12:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

"He fought like a boxer," [said] a Taliban fighter who had seen Bowe."

so, who do you want to believe? a Taliban fighter or our own soldiers?

#192 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-03 12:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Factually, if you're critiquing a prisoner exchange on your perceptions of his worth as a human being, its a moral test."

Actually, I've never done that. I've criticized the prisonder exchange because we negotiated with terrorists. I've said IF the soldier deserted, he didn't serve honorably. Not once have I said that whether or not we should have negotiated with terrorists should have been contingent on this guy's "worth".

#193 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-03 12:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

"in good physical condition" and "is said to be walking."
OK, Susie, honey, which is it, "acute" or "good?"

#151 | POSTED BY JESTGETTINALONG

Habeus corpseman.

#194 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-06-03 12:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

#193 | Posted by Sully at 2014

Too late to suck up.

#195 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-03 12:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I see. Berghahl has to come home so these 5 guys can be released, otherwise the Taliban will be pissed at him."

Worked pretty well for the Taliban, didn't it? It MIGHTA worked out well for Obama too if all the facts hadn't slipped out and everybody thought Bergdahl was an honorable hero and the "dream team" is gonna be harmless like Zed does. It's amazing that the "Obama team" keeps trying to sell crap like that to the majority of Americans after he keeps getting into deep kimchee. Works for Zed though.

#196 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-06-03 12:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

EB, read my 187 before jerking your knee again.

#190 | Posted by BradfordWinston at 2014-06-03 12:07 PMFlag: (Choose)
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what?

#197 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-03 12:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

Too late to suck up.

#195 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-03 12:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yep, you've got that all covered.

I was just pointing out that you lied about my position.

#198 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-03 12:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

sons of bitches, I just got my screen names mixed up. whatever. So now you know.

#199 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-06-03 12:13 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

I've criticized the prisonder exchange because we negotiated with terrorists.

We negotiated with the enemy that we are fighting on the battlefield through a third party.

The Taliban are not even listed as Terrorists. They are not Al Qaeda.

You need to get your enemies straight.

How do you expect we will actually end this war with the Taliban if we never talk to them?

#200 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-06-03 12:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

worked out well for Obama too

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#196 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-06-03 12:09 PM | Reply

If there had been a video of this man's beheading while in Taliban custody, how would that have worked out for Obama? What would you have said?

You guys have been rabid for years. People have learned to work around you, because you're in the way.

#201 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-03 12:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

"If there had been a video of this man's beheading while in Taliban custody, how would that have worked out for Obama? What would you have said?"

that we should have agreed to release 5 guys just like the ones in the video that beheaded our soldier?

is that the answer you are searching for?

#202 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-03 12:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

Is Moder8 also Bradford Winston?!?

#203 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-06-03 12:17 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

'Notch, many rightwingers and kneejerk Obama haters on this thread and others threads on the DR are expressing views that Bergdahl is a traitor who we should not have negotiated for.

I agree that it is one thing to oppose the return of Bergdahl and a very different thing to oppose the price in released Talibanis we paid.

#187 | POSTED BY MODER8

If this is not the worst trade since the Boston Red Sox sent Babe Ruth to the Yankees for $100,000 and a $300,000 loan to finance the No, No, Nanette musical, the Bergdahl trade is at least as bad as the Vlade for Kobe deal.

#204 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-06-03 12:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

got my italics backwards.

oopppsie.

#205 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-06-03 12:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

#183 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

You GOTTA be -------' us! The Taliban said??? The same Taliban Bergdahl taught to play badminton??? The same Taliban that wanted to put him in a good light to promote this trade. LOLOLOL. Are you REALLY classifying this Taliban comment as a "fact," while you consider his platoon mates' and the Pentagon's statements as not "factual."

Yeah, considering all the rest we know about you, I'm sure you do.

#206 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-06-03 12:19 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1


that we should have agreed to release 5 guys just like the ones in the video that beheaded our soldier?

#202 | Posted by eberly at 2014

Concerns like this are in every prisoner exchange.

You do understand that, in each and every case, we release people who are our enemies?

#207 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-03 12:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Then all the prisoners of war will need to be released and we will get nothing for them."-Donner

So you think they are going to release Khaleid Sheik Mohammed after the last troop leaves? YOu guys are the biggest excuse makers I've ever seen. You still aren't any good at it though.

#208 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-03 12:21 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

Of course I am JeffJ. I just got my sock pocket identity all screwed with my regular identity. I am an idiot.

#209 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-06-03 12:23 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

Its interesting to me that when this story broke I was reading a memoir of how British troops habitually kidnapped German troops in trench raids during WWI.

#210 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-03 12:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

How do you expect we will actually end this war with the Taliban if we never talk to them?

#200 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

Well, I was hoping for a clear victory for a few seconds back when Obama announced The Surge. That was in that brief couple of sentences before he announced our surrender date.

#211 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-06-03 12:25 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

#200 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY AT 2014-06-03 12:14 PM | FLAG: Evidently thinks the Taliban is the Afghan equivalent of the "Little Sisters of the Poor."

#212 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-06-03 12:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

We should only bring troops home that DALTON likes. Yeah. That's the ticket.

#180 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-03 12:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

You are one of the biggest liars on this site. I didn't say don't bring him home. I said don't trade the highest ranked Taliban people we have in custody. You know the ones that knew what was going to happen the next day on 9-10? Also, I said bring him home but, don't spread the lie that the guy "served honorably" and was captured on the "battlefield" like it was in the middle of a gunfight when actually he is a deserter.

#213 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-03 12:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

I didn't say don't bring him home. I said don't trade the highest ranked Taliban people we have in custody.

#213 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-03 12:25 PM | Reply

That's right. Bergdhal wasn't worth it. This is your position.

#214 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-03 12:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Concerns like this are in every prisoner exchange."

of course they are. that wasn't the point, and you know it.

you were whining about the outrage if the Taliban had beheaded this guy.

you think this trade was worth it. You don't know anything about these 5 Taliban guys and know nothing about Bergdahl...but you're sure it was worth it. Because Obama agreed to it. that's all you need.

#215 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-03 12:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

"#210 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2014-06-03 12:23 PM | REPLY | FLAG:"

STILL thinks Bergdahl was kidnapped. If stupidity was a snowflake, would be a walking blizzard.

#216 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-06-03 12:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

"The Taliban are not even listed as Terrorists. They are not Al Qaeda."

I'm not interested in semantics. They were accomplices to multiple terror attacks against the US including 9/11.

But if you want to go into semantics then we are not officially at war with them and they don't qualify as soldiers because they don't play by the necessary rules. For instance, they dress as civilians and aren't in the employ of any government.

"You need to get your enemies straight."

You need to work on your talking points.

"How do you expect we will actually end this war with the Taliban if we never talk to them?"

How will we end the war? Maybe one day we will elect a decent human being to the presidency and he will bring our guys home. This should have been a punitive invasion that last a couple of months, not an indefinitely long nation building exercise with people who have no interest in building a nation.

#217 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-03 12:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Well, I was hoping for a clear victory for a few seconds back when Obama announced The Surge."

You were hoping for another landing on an aircraft carrier, off the coast of San Diego, with a big banner saying "Mission Accomplished?"

#218 | Posted by danni at 2014-06-03 12:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

"That's right. Bergdhal wasn't worth it. This is your position."

you believe it was worth it. That is your position.

I don't know if it was worth it or not. I'm no expert in such matters....but I'm quite sure that Obama is going to take heat for this deal.

#219 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-03 12:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

"You don't know anything about these 5 Taliban guys and know nothing about Bergdahl...but you're sure it was worth it. Because Obama agreed to it. that's all you need."

You got it, Eb! Right on the mark and if you've observed in the past, that's Donner's position in EVERY case.

#220 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-06-03 12:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

"The Taliban are not even listed as Terrorists. They are not Al Qaeda."

so, they were just nice fellas who we never need to worry about again?

wow, that's a relief. And I was worried that we let some actual bad guys go.

#221 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-03 12:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's hilarious, really.

We have audio recordings of the insurgents as they capture him in the latrine at his post.. something no one could or would make up.... and we have a different story from some in his unit ans a still different story from anonymous military sources.

Yet some people here "know" what really happened without an investigation.

Psychics, I s'pose.

#222 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-03 12:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

That was brilliant, M8.

Bradford is funny. You are a simpering, and now a well known schizophrenic, whiner.

Go see a psychologist immediately.

#223 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2014-06-03 12:35 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

Bwahahaha. Moder8, you really are a dandy.

#224 | Posted by wisgod at 2014-06-03 12:36 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Since Zed and others are such champions of bringing the troops home:

Anyone want to join me in saying Obama is a total scumbag for altering his promise to bring all our troops home from Afghanistan this year?

#225 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-03 12:37 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

We have audio recordings of the insurgents as they capture him in the latrine at his post.. something no one could or would make up.... and we have a different story from some in his unit ans a still different story from anonymous military sources.

Posted by Corky

Did they let him flush and wash his hands before they made off with him?

#226 | Posted by wisgod at 2014-06-03 12:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

#218 | POSTED BY DANNI

Uh oh...I see Commissar Barackus Maximus has called out the shock troops. I think I'll just make my retreat and leave it to the others with brains here to deal with General Danni.

#227 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-06-03 12:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

#226

Best you got?
Sad.

With retorts like that, you should just Deflect to Obama being a "scumbag" for leaving a few percent of current troops in A-stan for a couple of years as a forward position to take out any AQ we deem necessary.

That way you don;t have to talk about the facts of Bergdahl's capture.

#228 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-03 12:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

Wow.

Moder8 is Bradford Winston.

I have a whole new level of respect.

The whole Baranabas thing makes me laugh every time I think about it.

#229 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-06-03 12:42 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

"We have audio recordings of the insurgents as they capture him in the latrine at his post.."

"We?" You, Zed and danni? Who was holding the recorder? Did they write those emails before or after they captured him? You know, the anti-American ones. How did they get that note onto his bunk?

Oh, I see, you must have just come from the talking points meeting with Jay Carney.

#230 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-06-03 12:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

That way you don;t have to talk about the facts of Bergdahl's capture.

#228 | Posted by Corky

You think I'm going to take your word over the members of his platoon? LOL!

#231 | Posted by wisgod at 2014-06-03 12:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

#230

The denial of existing evidence is nearly as pathetic as the assumption of guilt.

"A transcript of radio intercepts, publicly released through Wikileaks, indicates that Bergdahl, then 23, was captured while sitting in a makeshift latrine.

'We were attacking the post he was sitting,' according to a radio intercept of a conversation among insurgents.

'He had no gun with him. ... They have all (the) Americans, ANA (Afghan National Army), helicopters, the planes are looking for him. Can you guys make a video of him and announce it all over Afghanistan that we have one of the Americans?'

www.dailymail.co.uk

#232 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-03 12:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

Of course that's why his Military File is sealed, right Cork? Because it proves your and Rice's story?

#233 | Posted by wisgod at 2014-06-03 12:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

-take your word over the members of his platoon?

No, take into account the recordings of the insurgents as they captured him. But then, that would require a modicum of fairness, so... never mind.

#234 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-03 12:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

Corky, why is this proof not provided by Obama? Does he like his approval rating in the toilet?

#235 | Posted by wisgod at 2014-06-03 12:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

This administration is turning out to be military f'ups. Can they do anything right?

#236 | Posted by sames1 at 2014-06-03 12:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

"We have audio recordings of the insurgents as they capture him in the latrine at his post.. something no one could or would make up...."

Audio recordings would be the easiest thing to fake. And its odd that anyone would be making audio recordings in 2009 given the ubiquity of video recording devices since before 2009.

#237 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-03 12:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

#235

Why is that such a dumb post?

Oh, because the recordings were leaked publicly already.

But Deflecting to Obama's approval rating out of the blue?

That's what I call progress!

#238 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-03 12:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

Oh Corky was talking about radio intercepts again. Nevermind, I thought this was new "evidence".

#239 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-03 12:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

Why is that such a dumb post?

Posted by Corky

Even dumber is you can answer it. Even Obama hasn't cited Wikileaks, Sport. Why didn't Rice? Why are they backpeddling now?

#240 | Posted by wisgod at 2014-06-03 12:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

#237

I knew it!

It's False Flag Op!

Yeah, that's the ticket! The CIA, no, no... better, the NSA faked the recordings then had their buddies at WikiLeaks put then out.

Wow, talk about tricky!

#241 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-03 12:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

"a makeshift latrine"

Our bases have makeshift latrines? This guy was shAtting off base, no?

#242 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-06-03 01:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

So you think they are going to release Khaleid Sheik Mohammed after the last troop leaves? YOu guys are the biggest excuse makers I've ever seen.

Khaleid Sheik Mohammed is Al Qaeda and IS classified as a Terrorist and is in a different category.

You guys need to get your facts (and your enemies) straight.

#243 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-06-03 01:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Well, I was hoping for a clear victory for a few seconds back when Obama announced The Surge."

You were hoping for another landing on an aircraft carrier, off the coast of San Diego, with a big banner saying "Mission Accomplished?"

#218 | POSTED BY DANNI

Beats what we got.

#244 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-06-03 01:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

Well, I was hoping for a clear victory for a few seconds back when Obama announced The Surge. That was in that brief couple of sentences before he announced our surrender date.

#211 | Posted by DixvilleNotch

SO...you thought the Surge..whcih didn't work in Iraq would somehow magically work in Afghanistan?

Damn you guys are drama queens.

Did we also "surrender" in Iraq?

If I have to learn Pashto after we surrender I am buying a gun and going into the hills and become a Minutman.

#245 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-06-03 01:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

Danni -- you were hoping to quadruple our troop deaths for this result?

#246 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-06-03 01:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

Did we also "surrender" in Iraq?

#245 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

You did.

#247 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-06-03 01:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

#241 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-03 12:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

I was confused because I've read transcripts of the intercepts you are referring to and they don't indicate where he actually was when he was captured.

#248 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-03 01:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

Better get back in line, Dboy. Even Obama said the Iraq Surge worked.

#249 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-06-03 01:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

Obama called his escalation a 'Surge" precisely because of the effectiveness of the Iraq Surge.

#250 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-06-03 01:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

"a makeshift latrine"

Our bases have makeshift latrines? This guy was shAtting off base, no?

#242 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-06-03 01:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

A small hole dug in the ground could be a makeshift latrine. Really anywhere you squat qualifies.

#251 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-03 01:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

Obviously the taliban is going to say they "captured" him. It makes their propaganda that they are winning look better. The Army said in 2010 that the deserter simply walked off of the post. He left a note that he was leaving for christ sake. You saps will go to any length to make crap sandwhich Obama made look like a steak.

#252 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-03 01:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

-they don't indicate where he actually was when he was captured.

I don't think that is why you are confused, but none the less...

'We were attacking the post he was sitting,' according to a radio intercept of a conversation among insurgents."

indicates where he was when he was captured pretty clearly does it not?

#253 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-03 01:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

When you have somebody like the Senate Majority Leader (Harry Reid) come out in the middle of the surge and say "this war is lost," I thought that was one of the most disgraceful things I've heard a politician say.

-- Robert Gates

#255 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-06-03 01:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

Did they let him flush and wash his hands before they made off with him?

#226 | Posted by wisgod at 2014-06-03 12:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

The only specific piece of info in the actual transcripts is that he hadn't wiped yet.

#256 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-03 01:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

Better get back in line, Dboy. Even Obama said the Iraq Surge worked.

#249 | Posted by DixvilleNotch

Oh I forgot.

Iraq is all better now and the violence has ended.

thanks

#257 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-06-03 01:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

- their propaganda

It is a recording of the action as it happened and right after.

I know you rwingers would like to castigate a soldier just because he had some association with Obama, but you could at least wait until there is an investigation.

#258 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-03 01:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

'We were attacking the post he was sitting,' according to a radio intercept of a conversation among insurgents."
indicates where he was when he was captured pretty clearly does it not?

#253 | POSTED BY CORKY

How vague can you get? What 'post' was he sitting that featured a makeshift latrine?

#259 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-06-03 01:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

Oh I forgot.
Iraq is all better now and the violence has ended.
thanks

#257 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

You forget that the Democrats took over?

#260 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-06-03 01:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

#242 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-06-03 01:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

A small hole dug in the ground could be a makeshift latrine. Really anywhere you squat qualifies.

#251 | Posted by Sully

So basically anywhere he posts is a makeshift latrine then.

#261 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-06-03 01:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

Is a "post" considered to be anywhere you are?

#262 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-03 01:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

indicates where he was when he was captured pretty clearly does it not?

#253 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-03 01:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

You know what they meant by "post"?

Did they actually attack the base where he was supposed to be and he disappeared during that attack? Seems like everyone would know that already withtout the intercepts.

The likeliness of this "post" being a reference to the actual encampment where he was supposed to be isn't that high.

#263 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-03 01:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

So Corky, where exactly was he sitting?

#264 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-06-03 01:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

Khaleid Sheik Mohammed is Al Qaeda and IS classified as a Terrorist and is in a different category.

You guys need to get your facts (and your enemies) straight.

#243 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-06-03 01:02 PM | Reply | Flag

You are just splitting hairs but, it has been reported that a couple of the guys were high ranking taliban and members of al queda. Face it Obama released people that knew on 9-10 what was going to happen on 9-11. Then he had Susan Rice lie and claim this deserter serve honorably with distinction and was captured on the battlefield when the Army already told us that isn't the case.

#265 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-03 01:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

You forget that the Democrats took over?

#260 | Posted by DixvilleNotch

How could one forget that?

No more American Troops are needlessly dying there for Bush's Daddy anymore.

#266 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-06-03 01:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

The Taliban came inside the wire to get him? That would be news.

#267 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-06-03 01:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

Let's leave your lunch out of this.

#254 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-03 01:13 PM | Reply | Flag

You are the one eating it up.

#268 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-03 01:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

"So Corky, where exactly was he sitting?"

well, at his "post" obviously.

#269 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-03 01:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

Is a "post" considered to be anywhere you are?

#262 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-03 01:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

According to these morons it depends on what your definition of is is.

#270 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-03 01:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

They died for me, too. I'm glad Saddam and his sons are dead.

#271 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-06-03 01:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

#263

The likelihood that they would fabricate the capture of a US soldier when a traitor would be an ever so much more valuable propaganda tool is even less.

I just think we should have an investigation with him present before we convict him as a traitor, as you and others have done.

Done more out of Obama Hate than by concern for this particular incident.

#272 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-03 01:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

"The likelihood that they would fabricate the capture of a US soldier when a traitor would be an ever so much more valuable propaganda tool is even less."

yes, but then they couldn't use him a chip to cash in to retrieve some of their own being held by us. Would they value him as a propaganda tool if he truly wanted to join their side? I guess.

I mean, they did capture him....it's not like Bergdahl made arrangement to be met there...it's the notion that he wanted to be captured that's being debated.

#273 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-03 01:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'm glad Saddam and his sons are dead.
#271 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

I'd be happier with my friend alive and Saddam in power. But hey, I'm a sucker for self-interest. My bottom line is what counts. Not some Kurdish family seeking revenge.

#274 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-03 01:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

I mean, they did capture him....it's not like Bergdahl made arrangement to be met there...it's the notion that he wanted to be captured that's being debated.
#273 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Wasn't there an indication that he attempted to escape captivity? That it took five or six insurgents (terrorists?) to apprehend him again? That would be pretty clear that he didn't intend to joint he enemy or its interests, IMO.

#275 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-03 01:30 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

You are just splitting hairs...

Dang them facts!

Then he had Susan Rice lie and claim this deserter serve honorably with distinction and was captured on the battlefield when the Army already told us that isn't the case.

The army has never said Bergdahl was a deserter. I believe that is still under investigation.

"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." --John Adams, 'Argument in Defense of the Soldiers in the Boston Massacre Trials,' December 1770

#276 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-06-03 01:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I just think we should have an investigation with him present before we convict him as a traitor, as you and others have done."

That's fine. But the outpost where he was stationed was not attacked and they only noticed he was missing during morning roll call. So stop pretending you aren't trying to spin things.

"Done more out of Obama Hate than by concern for this particular incident."

I don't blast Obama for everything. I don't agree with negotiating with terrorists regardless of who is president.

#277 | Posted by sully at 2014-06-03 01:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

-The army has never said Bergdahl was a deserter.

The army promoted him more than once over the 5 years as I recall.

#278 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-03 01:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

-So stop pretending you aren't trying to spin things.

Stop pretending you know what happened. His 'post" could have been where he was stationed for guard duty. We don't know.

Except for all you that have already convicted him of treason... of course, you know.

#279 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-03 01:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

"His 'post" could have been where he was stationed for guard duty. We don't know."

Or it could have been where he stopped to take a crap after running off. We don't know.

"Except for all you that have already convicted him of treason... of course, you know."

You playing the bias card is laughable. Give it up already.

#280 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-03 01:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

#280

Laughable, however sad, is you and your rwing buddies convicting a POW for treason without a trial, much less a thorough investigation with him present.

Which you have already done.

#281 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-03 01:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

The army has never said Bergdahl was a deserter. I believe that is still under investigation.
Posted by donnerboy

So if there was an investigation taking place, it makes even more sense to trade him for the Dream Team. Man, you and Corky should regroup.

#282 | Posted by wisgod at 2014-06-03 01:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

#282

Like I said, for some people this is all about politics, not about a POW.

#283 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-03 01:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Wasn't there an indication that he attempted to escape captivity? That it took five or six insurgents (terrorists?) to apprehend him again? That would be pretty clear that he didn't intend to joint he enemy or its interests, IMO."

I agree. If that's true.

#284 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-03 01:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

Like I said, for some people this is all about politics, not about a POW.

#283 | Posted by Corky

Funny how you always make that claim when your guy steps in it. Must be getting old.

#286 | Posted by wisgod at 2014-06-03 02:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

-when your guy steps in it

Still only about the politics. And willing to assume the POW a traitor to do so.

#287 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-03 02:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

"A Pentagon investigation concluded in 2010 that Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl walked away from his unit, and after an initial flurry of searching the military decided not to exert extraordinary efforts to rescue him, according to a former senior defense official who was involved in the matter."

This is from yahoo news. You poor saps.


#288 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-03 02:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Questions persisted, too, about the circumstances of Bergdahl's 2009 capture. Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel declined to comment on earlier reports that the sergeant had walked away from his unit, disillusioned with the war. Such matters "will be dealt with later," Hagel said.

But the former Pentagon official said it was "incontrovertible" that he walked away from his unit."

But but but the taliban said different.

#289 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-03 02:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Laughable, however sad, is you and your rwing buddies convicting a POW for treason without a trial, much less a thorough investigation with him present."

Now there has to be an investigation? I thought you had the smoking gun that proves he was captured while on duty (or is it doodie?).

"Which you have already done."

Nah, you're just delusional. Seems unlikely that he was where he was supposed to be when he was captured but that doesn't necessarily make him guilty of treason.

#290 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-03 02:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

No. Obama made it about politics when he sent Susan Rice out to lie about this deserter serving with honor and distinction and that he was captured on the battlefield. He made it political when he did the rose garden ceremony with the mother and father. They did this b/c they knew how it would sound if he said we traded five high ranking members of the taliban that knew bin laden personally and likely knew about 9-11 on 9-10 for a soldier that deserted his post would sound.

#291 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-03 02:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

This is from yahoo news. You poor saps.

#288 | Posted by Dalton

What does Wikileaks say about it? -Corky

#292 | Posted by wisgod at 2014-06-03 02:15 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

This whole POW designation is worrisome. Are we at war with Afghanistan or not? Apparently not:

The POW issue for American troops in Afghanistan stands in contrast to past U.S. conflicts such as World War II or the Korean War because Afghanistan is not technically at war with the U.S. or any other state. The "enemy" forces in Afghanistan are mainly the Taliban, which are considered a "non-state armed group."
www.foxnews.com

Besides, the Pentagon has stopped using the POW designation since 2000. So let's stop confusing ourselves with these terms, shall we? Bergdahl was only designated "Missing-Captured" officially (nation.time.com).

#293 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-03 02:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

Listen, I'll be happy to give him his day in court. And if he's found to be a deserter, then we get the 5 Taliban guys back.

#294 | Posted by wisgod at 2014-06-03 02:19 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Seems unlikely that he was where he was supposed to be when he was captured but that doesn't necessarily make him guilty of treason.
#290 | POSTED BY SULLY

To be fair, simply not being where he is supposed to be amounts to desertion? I'm not saying he didn't desert, I'm simply implying that walking away from your post for a bit amounts to full out desertion? I find that hard to believe. Probably plenty of grunts wander off for a smoke (jerk?) and get reprimanded accordingly.

Again, it sounds as though he fully intended to walk away. But there's got to be some middle ground here in general, no?

#295 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-03 02:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

Rsty the army did a report in 2010 that came to the conclusion that he deserted his post. Why you guys think you know more than they do about the situation is amazing.

#296 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-03 02:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

And if he's found to be a deserter, then we get the 5 Taliban guys back.
#294 | POSTED BY WISGOD

We won't get them back. And they won't see the sands of Afghanistan for the rest of their (short) lives. I fully believe they will be "disappeared" while in Qatar. I doubt they get away let alone have an opportunity to plan attacks against the West again.

#297 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-03 02:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

I don't agree with negotiating with terrorists regardless of who is president.

#277 | Posted by sully

I am not sure how many times I have to say this before you get it.

Obama did not negotiate with "terrorists".

The Taliban are not classified as Terrorists.

They are enemy combatants.

#298 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-06-03 02:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

But there's got to be some middle ground here in general, no?

#295 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-03 02:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

Incredible.

#299 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-03 02:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

Except for all you that have already convicted him of treason... of course, you know.
#279 | POSTED BY CORKY

Ha! This from someone who convicted Zimmerman before the trial even started...because of course, you knew.

#300 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2014-06-03 02:25 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Obama did not negotiate with "terrorists".

The Taliban are not classified as Terrorists.

They are enemy combatants.

#298 | Posted by donnerboy

Just because he doesn't know the definition of terrorist is no excuse.

#301 | Posted by wisgod at 2014-06-03 02:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

- amounts to desertion?

It barely amounts to AWOL, much less desertion. Or being a traitor. Or treason.

-because we negotiated with terrorists.

#193 | POSTED BY SULLY

Obama Didn't Negotiate With ‘Terrorists' for Bergdahl

time.com

So, not so much.

#302 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-03 02:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

The Taliban are not classified as Terrorists.

They are enemy combatants.

#298 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-06-03 02:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

Not correct. They did not negotiate with the Taliban. Obama negotiated with the Haqqani network to release high ranked taliban.

#303 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-03 02:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

Wow. Here comes some full blown stupid.

#305 | Posted by wisgod at 2014-06-03 02:27 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Why you guys think you know more than they do about the situation is amazing.
#296 | POSTED BY DALTON

I don't. I'm playing the middle ground. Otherwise the interest in the discussion is far less for me. Like I said, from the looks of it, he deserted his post. I'm not arguing that. But I'm also not going to ignore other information when presented, like many choose to do here. Why does everything have to be solidified right now? I'm also not one to contend that the military is never wrong, mistaken, biased, etc. I trust a court of law much more than a simple (in-house/nonobjective) investigation.

#306 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-03 02:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'm pretty sure the Haqqani network is a terrorist organization. So Obama did negotiate with terrorist.

#307 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-03 02:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

Probably plenty of grunts wander off for a smoke (jerk?) and get reprimanded accordingly.

#295 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11

So you're going with Bergdahl snuck out in the dead of night for a jerk? Was that in the Taliban audiotape?

#308 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-06-03 02:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

Just because he doesn't know the definition of terrorist is no excuse.

#301 | Posted by wisgod

What is your excuse?

Here is your google link so you don't have to break a sweat and look it up yourself.

time.com

#309 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-06-03 02:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

Just because he doesn't know the definition of terrorist is no excuse.
#301 | POSTED BY WISGOD

Please apply that to the Pentagon and Bush Administration, they set the precedent, not B. Hussein.

#310 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-03 02:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

*fap fap fap fap oopsie*

#311 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-06-03 02:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

#308 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

Christ, never mind. Some of you people are too dim to understand my point. So be it.

#312 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-03 02:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

And however nasty the Taliban may be, it's not really a "terrorist" enemy as we commonly understand the word. The group is not on the State Department's official list of terrorist organizations and has has long been a battlefield enemy in the ground war for control of Afghanistan. It is not plotting to, say, hijack American airplanes -- even if it does have sympathies with people who are. Ditto the Taliban leaders released over the weekend. They are members of a savage and deplorable organization. But unlike, say, Khalid Sheikh Mohammad, they have no history of plotting attacks on the U.S. homeland.

www.drudge.com

#313 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-06-03 02:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

Did you try to make a point?

#314 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-06-03 02:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

time.com

#315 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-06-03 02:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

Please apply that to the Pentagon and Bush Administration, they set the precedent, not B. Hussein.

#310 | Posted by rstybeach11

Well that settles it. Obama did good.

#316 | Posted by wisgod at 2014-06-03 02:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

Here is your google link so you don't have to break a sweat and look it up yourself.
time.com

#309 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

Back off, Wisgod. Time Magazine ruled Obama is cool. Again. You got a problem with that?

#317 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-06-03 02:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

LOL - some context re: Haqqani Network:

In September 2012, the Obama administration labeled the network as a foreign terrorist organization.[27] After this announcement, Taliban issued a statement arguing that there is "no separate entity or network in Afghanistan by the name of Haqqani" and that Jalaluddin Haqqani is a member of the Quetta Shura, Taliban's top leadership council.

(NOTE: not claiming Haqqani is not a terrorist network. If B. Hussein states that they are, then they are.)

#318 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-03 02:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

Well that settles it. Obama did good.
#316 | POSTED BY WISGOD

Why do you say that? I disagree.

#319 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-03 02:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

But there's got to be some middle ground here in general, no?

#295 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11

That was your point in talking about other hypothetical soldiers who might sneak off to jerk?

#320 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-06-03 02:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

trust a court of law much more than a simple (in-house/nonobjective) investigation.

#306 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-03 02:27 PMFlag: (Choose)
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He won't be tried in court Rsty. Good god. He will be judged by the Army. You know the one that determined in 2010 that he deserted his post. They believed it so much that they pulled some resources that were being used to look for him and decided to try and negotiate his release.

#321 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-03 02:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

Did you try to make a point?
#314 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

Yes, and it flew right over your head. But I really don't give a $h¡†.

#322 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-03 02:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

He won't be tried in court Rsty. Good god. He will be judged by the Army.

What, the Army doesn't have due process?

#323 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-03 02:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

But I really don't give a $h¡†.

#322 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11

Even if you did your post wouldn't become cogent.

#324 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-06-03 02:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I am still working to free all Guantanamo prisoners," the tweet said, according to various screen grabs. The tweet was subsequently deleted. "God will repay for the death of every Afghan child, ameen."

Robert Bergdahl's tweet directed at a Taliban spokesman four days before it was announced that his son was finally being released.

#325 | Posted by wisgod at 2014-06-03 02:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

I am not sure how many times I have to say this before you get it.

Obama did not negotiate with "terrorists".

The Taliban are not classified as Terrorists.

They are enemy combatants.

#298 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-06-03 02:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

Allow me to clear up your little delusion:

Your little declarations are not the final say on anything. The first time you said this, I told you why I disagree with you and you had nothing to say in response. So let's not pretend otherwise now.

I say they are terrorists because they've participated in multiple acts of terrorism against us. The reality of their actions is important to me, not whether the word "Taliban" appears on some list.

You want to disagree? Fine. You can even tell me why if you can. But quit pretending you're some kind of authority figure.

#326 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-03 02:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

The Haqqani network, which the State Department designated as a foreign terrorist organization in 2012, claims allegiance to the Afghan Taliban, yet operates with considerable autonomy. - See more at: courier-tribune.com

Good lord Rsty. I understand playing devils advocate but, when you are wrong you are wrong.

#327 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-03 02:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

#326

He do hate to be wrong, don't he.

time.com

#328 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-03 02:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

That was your point in talking about other hypothetical soldiers who might sneak off to jerk?
#320 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

"Droz: Ding-ding-ding. Gutter, tell her what's she's won."

#329 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-03 02:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

I understand playing devils advocate but, when you are wrong you are wrong.
#327 | POSTED BY DALTON

Where am I wrong?

#330 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-03 02:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

A point would be to actually find the middle ground you suggest might exist.

#331 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-06-03 02:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

Even if you did your post wouldn't become cogent.
#324 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

Apparently your wrong, as indicated in #320, just needed a little more effort. Good work and good luck with the jerkin'.

#332 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-03 02:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

Wanna give me odds on what this google search will uncover?

Bergdahl May Be Just a Middle of the Night Jerker

#333 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-06-03 02:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

A point would be to actually find the middle ground you suggest might exist.
#331 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

That's what I was inquiring about, hence the point.

#334 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-03 02:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

#328 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-03 02:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

People who engage in terrorism are terrorists. If someone says otherwise, I disagree. If you want to tell me why I'm wrong, go ahead. But posting a link (that doesn't work) to some opinion piece is not the final say on anything.

#335 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-03 02:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

The transfer followed a week of indirect negotiation between the U.S. and the Taliban, mediated by the government of Qatar, which will take custody of the five Afghan detainees. -

White House officials said a new opening emerged several weeks ago, brokered by Qatar's emir, Sheik Tamim bin Hamad al Thani, who spoke with Obama about the possible exchange Tuesday.

By using Qatar as an intermediary, the U.S. was able to avoid direct negotiation with the Taliban, a long-standing policy meant to affirm that the U.S.-backed Afghan administration in Kabul is the country's legitimate government.

See more at: courier-tribune.com

The article says the POW was "believed" to be held by the Haqqani network, but no one knows for a fact.

The negotiation was between the US and Qatar and Qatar and the Taliban.

Besides, the Israelis traded over a 1000 captives to the Palestinians and Hamas for one of their captives.... but then, what do the Israelis know about dealing with terrorists?

#337 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-03 02:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

Bergdahl May Be Just a Middle of the Night Jerker
#333 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

Wow you really know how to bury the lead (point), eh? Your fixation with jerking off is really distracting your attention from the crux of the matter: Taliban's terrorist ties, Bergdahl's POW designation, whether Bergdahl is simply a deserter or a full blown traitor...no, DIX chooses to focus on jerkin' off. Fitting.

#338 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-03 02:47 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

(CNSNews.com) – A Taliban delegation that will enter formal talks with the United States in Qatar later this week will, according to a U.S. official, also represent the Haqqani network, a group that has existed far longer than either the Taliban or al-Qaeda and has played a key role of terror enabler to both.

The notion of the Haqqani network (HQN) committing to breaking ties with al-Qaeda and, especially, renouncing violence – two of the stated U.S. conditions for the Afghanistan reconciliation process to succeed – seems doubtful, given its almost 40-year history and the central role it has played in advancing the jihadist cause

#339 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-03 02:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

Hey! Let's listen closely to that audiotape of the purported capture for fapping sounds.

This whole thing could be just a big misunderstanding between gentlemen looking to fap in the same makeshift latrine.

That would be finding common ground, indeed!

#340 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-06-03 02:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'm speaking to the ridiculous notion you tried to add to point #3 on your super important list.

#341 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-06-03 02:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

Why are people here still referring to Bergdahl as a POW? He's not. The Pentagon stopped using POW designations in 2000. Can we get with the times please? Or is there a political intent behind the insistence in referring to Bergdahl as a POW?

#342 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-03 02:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

CNSNews.com.. "The Right News. Right Now!"

roflmao!

#343 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-03 02:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

Hey! Let's listen closely to that audiotape of the purported capture for fapping sounds.
This whole thing could be just a big misunderstanding between gentlemen looking to fap in the same makeshift latrine.
That would be finding common ground, indeed!

#340 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

The fixation continues. Getting a little weird.

I'm speaking to the ridiculous notion you tried to add to point #3 on your super important list.
#341 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

Super important? Yes, ridiculous indeed.

#344 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-03 02:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

"By using Qatar as an intermediary, the U.S. was able to avoid direct negotiation with the Taliban,"

what for? afterall, they aren't a terrorist organization.

#345 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-03 02:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

#336

The Retort's own Hodor.

#346 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-03 02:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

A point would be to actually find the middle ground you suggest might exist.
#331 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

That's what I was inquiring about, hence the point.

#334 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11

If inquiring about finding middle ground without finding it, but in the process introducing non-sequitur strawmen is a point then you're off the schneid.

#347 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-06-03 02:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Or is there a political intent behind the insistence in referring to Bergdahl as a POW?"

I think that's clear, considering who is doing it.

#348 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-03 02:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

Besides, the Israelis traded over a 1000 captives to the Palestinians and Hamas for one of their captives.... but then, what do the Israelis know about dealing with terrorists?

#337 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-03 02:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

You're the one using them as an authority. Why don't you establish their credentials for us?

How many terror organizations have they defeated? How often are they attacked by terrorists compared to other countries? What percent of their national resources have they dedicated to the problem and how long?

Something tells me their record in this department is not as stellar as you presume it to be and that an obejective analysis would reach the opposite conclusion of the premise you've blindly accepted....

#349 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-03 02:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

I say they are terrorists because they've participated in multiple acts of terrorism against us. The reality of their actions is important to me, not whether the word "Taliban" appears on some list.

You want to disagree? Fine. You can even tell me why if you can. But quit pretending you're some kind of authority figure.

#326 | Posted by Sully

Well I guess YOU are the authority on such matters and not those who actually got our soldier back. If sully hates them then they are terrorists!

http://www.state.gov/j/ct/rls/ other/des/123085.htm

You can declare bugs bunny a terrorist if you like. It doesn't matter.

They are enemy combatants captured on the field of battle. YOU can call call them Martians if you like.

Prisoner exchanges are normal. To do so you have to eventually talk to someone.

www.nytimes.com

#350 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-06-03 02:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

-Why don't you establish their credentials for us?

That's moronic. The Israelis are considered experts in dealing with terrorists by anyone with at least half a brain... oh, wait... sorry.

#351 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-03 02:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

you believe it was worth it. That is your position.

#219 | Posted by eberly at

When it comes to retrieving a captured US serviceman, I think I'll just err on the side of it being worth it. Think of it as a quirk.

#352 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-03 03:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

Your fixation with jerking off is really distracting your attention from the crux of the matter: Taliban's terrorist ties, Bergdahl's POW designation, whether Bergdahl is simply a deserter or a full blown traitor...no, DIX chooses to focus on jerkin' off. Fitting.

#338 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11

You gotta be kidding yourself if you think I don't know the Taliban has terrorist ties, Bergdahl was not designated a POW and is appears to be least a deserter and perhaps a full blown traitor.

See? That's how you find common ground.

#353 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-06-03 03:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

an appears to be at least a deserter = not a jerker

#354 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-06-03 03:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

and is appears to be least a deserter and perhaps a full blown traitor.

#353 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-06-03 03:00 PMFlag: (Choose)
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Do you want him back or not?

#355 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-03 03:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Well I guess YOU are the authority on such matters and not those who actually got our soldier back. If sully hates them then they are terrorists!"

No, I told you why I consider them terrorists. You just choose to ignore what I said because you disagree but can't refute it.

"YOU can call call them Martians if you like."

No thanks. I'll call them terrorists. Remember when I told you why and then you had nothing to say in response?

#356 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-03 03:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

I think I'll just err on the side of it being worth it. Think of it as a quirk.

#352 | POSTED BY ZED

I'm guessing you have quirky thoughts about the worth of detaining 5 high ranking Taliban as well.

*surprise*

#357 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-06-03 03:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

#357 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at

Do you want the sergeant back, or don't you?

#358 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-03 03:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

Please don't rush to a decision.

#359 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-03 03:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

but in the process introducing non-sequitur strawmen is a point then you're off the schneid.
#347 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

It's not a non sequitur. A soldier wandering off from his post "for a smoke (jerk?)" are both possibilities have give reasons for why a soldier would wander away from his post. This has happened many times in the military, I'm sure, to which the soldier was not charged with desertion. I'm not saying that's what happened here. I'm saying there is a possibility that such intent that led to his capture is possible (which was the general point about the military overall). Is it probable in this case? IMO, no, not with the information presented by the Army investigation.

And it's not a straw man as it wasn't presented as an argument regarding Bergdahl. It was a general question regarding the military's process of dealing with soldiers who abandon their post (whether for desertion, a smoke, or for an extreme example that you seem to have taken a fixation to, jerking off).

#360 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-03 03:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

Do you want him back or not?

#355 | POSTED BY ZED

Sure. I would have rather killed his captors in the process.

#361 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-06-03 03:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

Take your time.

#362 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-03 03:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

Bergdahl was not designated a POW.

Don't you have to officially declare a war first for there to be prisoners of war?

#363 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-06-03 03:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

, "I think I'll just err on the side of it being worth it."

I think we should have thrown in Zed with the exchange. Let the Taliban have him too, along with those other 5 nice fellas.

Is it still "worth it"?

It doesn't matter what they requested....no price was too high, right?

#364 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-03 03:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

I would have rather killed his captors in the process.

#361 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-06-03 03:

Sure. And I'd rather we'd all get chocolate bunnies via Federal Express at the same time.

So, we'll put you down for wanting a rescue. In other threads, other people (surely not you) are shoveling hate because a rescue was attempted.

#365 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-03 03:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

Where am I wrong?

#330 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-03 02:41 PM | Reply | Flag

Read #327 and #339

#366 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-03 03:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

"This has happened many times in the military,"

yeah....and those guys usually write notes telling everyone they intend to do it too.

#367 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-03 03:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

"That's moronic. The Israelis are considered experts in dealing with terrorists by anyone with at least half a brain..."

Really? No learned individuals are critical of Israeli policy and says it contributes to creating more terrorists? LOL

Putting aside that your above quote is demonstrably untrue, certainly if Israelis are such a terrorism experts than giving us a rundown of their credentials in this regard should be easy for you?

Can't be that once again you are all sizzle and no steak, can it?

#368 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-03 03:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's not a non sequitur. ... I'm not saying that's what happened here.

#360 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11

See:

non se·qui·tur. noun ˈnän-ˈse-kwə-tər also -ˌtu̇r. : a statement that is not connected in a logical or clear way to anything said before it ...

#369 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-06-03 03:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

So, we'll put you down for wanting a rescue. In other threads, other people (surely not you) are shoveling hate because a rescue was attempted.

#365 | POSTED BY ZED

Just put me down for what I stated.

#370 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-06-03 03:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

You gotta be kidding yourself if you think I don't know the Taliban has terrorist ties, Bergdahl was not designated a POW and is appears to be least a deserter and perhaps a full blown traitor.
#353 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

My point wasn't addressed to you. So why are you taking offense that I would consider your opinion beyond the realms of the above? You've twisted your misunderstanding of my point (addressed to a poster other than you) into the perception that I'm arguing Bergdahl's case with you. Please stop. I was hoping to gain some clarification from SULLY and you jump on an extreme example I used to find clarification. Again, shows less interest on your part regarding what is being discussed and more interest in dumbing down the thread with your obsession with jerking off.

#371 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-03 03:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

"if Israelis are such a terrorism experts than giving us a rundown of their credentials in this regard should be easy for you?"

corky has to sell you on the notion that having experience dealing with terrorists makes one an expert in doing it successfully.

#372 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-03 03:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

a statement that is not connected in a logical or clear way to anything said before it ...
#369 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

That is not applicable with my statement. If you can't see why not, too bad. Not my problem. I'm no longer going to defend a post that didn't need defense in the first place just because you lack comprehension.

#373 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-03 03:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

(Reuters) - The United States is preparing to designate the Pakistan-based Haqqani network as a terrorist group as early as Friday, the New York Times said on its website.

The NY Times good enough corky?

#374 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-03 03:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

#366 | POSTED BY DALTON

That doesn't help. You're making the accusation. Be explicit.

#375 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-03 03:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

My point wasn't addressed to you.

#371 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11

Pardon my misunderstanding of the DR convention of citing a Retorter's Retort:

Bergdahl May Be Just a Middle of the Night Jerker
#333 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

Wow you really know how to bury the lead (point), eh? Your fixation with jerking off is really distracting your attention from the crux of the matter: Taliban's terrorist ties, Bergdahl's POW designation, whether Bergdahl is simply a deserter or a full blown traitor...no, DIX chooses to focus on jerkin' off. Fitting.

#338 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11

It's entirely my fault for thinking you were aiming where you were shooting and vice versa.

#376 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-06-03 03:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

The NY Times good enough corky?

#374 | Posted by Dalton

Sure, but it's not Obama's fault prior to that. Kay?

#377 | Posted by wisgod at 2014-06-03 03:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

#368 |

(sighs)

Losers always go to arguing minor points, don't they?

lmgtfy

www.google.com

#378 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-03 03:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I know you rwingers would like to castigate a soldier just because he had some association with Obama...,"

THIS rwinger is castigating Bergdahl because of his actions in Afghanistan as described by the pentagon and his fellow leaders and platoon members and it has nothing to do with my disgust with the other guy you mention. In fact, I didn't even know he HAD an association with Obama.

"...but you could at least wait until there is an investigation."

I know this comes as a major shock to you, but there has been an investigation going on since 2010 and the Pentagon has a major "classied file."

[...] Read this from the AP.

"A Pentagon investigation concluded in 2010 that Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl walked away from his unit, and after an initial flurry of searching the military decided not to exert extraordinary efforts to rescue him, according to a former senior defense official who was involved in the matter."

"Questions persisted, too, about the circumstances of Bergdahl's 2009 capture. Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel declined to comment on earlier reports that the sergeant had walked away from his unit, disillusioned with the war. Such matters "will be dealt with later," Hagel said.

But the former Pentagon official said it was "incontrovertible" that he walked away from his unit."

Nathan Bradley Bethea, who served as an officer in Bergdahl's unit, said in an article Monday on the Daily Beast website that Bergdahl was not on patrol, as some reports have suggested.

"There was no patrol that night," he wrote. "Bergdahl was relieved from guard duty, and instead of going to sleep, he fled the outpost on foot. He deserted. I've talked to members of Bergdahl's platoon_including the last Americans to see him before his capture. I've reviewed the relevant documents. That's what happened."

news.yahoo.com

#379 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-06-03 03:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

Rsty you made the claim that the Haqqani network isn't a terrorist group? I posted proof that they not only are a terrorist group labeled as such by the State Dept they have been around longer than the Taliban or al queda.

#380 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-03 03:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

a statement that is not connected in a logical or clear way to anything said before it ...
#369 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

That is not applicable with my statement. If you can't see why not, too bad. Not my problem. I'm no longer going to defend a post that didn't need defense in the first place just because you lack comprehension.

#373 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11

Tying Bergdahl to a hypothetical jerker/smoker scenario is a fine example of a non-sequitur.

What you're lacking is a point about some hypothetical middle ground you proposed exists.

#381 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-06-03 03:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

-The NY Times good enough corky?

The NYT says nothing different than the Courier article you posted.... which said only that that network was "believed" to hold our soldier and that negotiations were with us and Qatar, who spoke with the Taliban.

#382 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-03 03:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

The NY Times good enough corky?

#374 | Posted by Dalton

One prolly s'pozes so.

#383 | Posted by goatman at 2014-06-03 03:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

Rsty you made the claim that the Haqqani network isn't a terrorist group?
#380 | POSTED BY DALTON

No, I provided a link that offered context regarding how the designation was viewed on both sides. Didn't you read the NOTE at the bottom of the post?

(NOTE: not claiming Haqqani is not a terrorist network. If B. Hussein states that they are, then they are.)
#318 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11

Apologies for the double negative, but I just found it interesting.

#384 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-03 03:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

*Be well, Goatman*

#385 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-06-03 03:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

#379 | POSTED BY JESTGETTINALONG

If only you had a point. No investigation said he was a deserter or a traitor or committed treason.

"Walking away", might be AWOL at most with no other info.... which in the case of desertion requires proof of intent not to return.

Any of you rwinger actually have more than a third grade edumacation?

That would 'splain a lot.

#386 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-03 03:22 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

#382 it shows the administration was and did label the Haqqani network a terrorist organization which Obama negotiated with. I'm just pointing out that donner claims Obama negotiated with the Taliban. They aren't the same thing.

#387 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-03 03:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

#378 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-03 03:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

Google results? So in other words you have nothing but want to hint that you do. As expected. Do you post these links and then pray nobody clicks on them?

"corky has to sell you on the notion that having experience dealing with terrorists makes one an expert in doing it successfully.

#372 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-03 03:11 PM | Reply | Flag:"

The Israelis are considering experts on counter terrorism security measures. If you want to know how to stop someone from geting on a plane with a bomb they can help you. If you want to know how to control the movements of a population that may be harboring terrorists, again, they can help.

They are considered to be pathetically bad at setting policies that discourage terrorism and that can be evidenced by the fact that for most of their history they are under constant threat from terrorists.

"Negotiating with terrorists" falls under the latter category and not the former, which is why using Isreal on an authority in this regard is laughable.

#388 | Posted by sully at 2014-06-03 03:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

Tying Bergdahl to a hypothetical jerker/smoker scenario is a fine example of a non-sequitur.
What you're lacking is a point about some hypothetical middle ground you proposed exists.

#381 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

If you really care that much, go back and read the entire thread. You'll find the necessary context. Or don't! I don't care. But it's clear you're wasting your time trying to call me out for rhetorical fallacies. Kind of sad that you're putting as much effort to do so in the first place.

#389 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-03 03:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

-which Obama negotiated with

No proof of that at all. We negotiated with Qatar who negotiated with the Taliban who may or may not have had contact with the Haqqani network who may or may not have been holding him.

It's just a good thing we don't all have your lack of reading comprehension.

#390 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-03 03:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

I was hoping to gain some clarification from SULLY and you jump on an extreme example I used to find clarification. Again, shows less interest on your part regarding what is being discussed and more interest in dumbing down the thread with your obsession with jerking off.

#371 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-03 03:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

Sorry, I don't have you plonked or anything. Just didn't see whatever the question was. I scrolled back up and couldn't find it either.

#391 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-03 03:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'm just pointing out that donner claims Obama negotiated with the Taliban. They aren't the same thing.

#387 | Posted by Dalton

Actually I had said Obama claims that Qatar was negotiating with the Taliban.

I wasn't there.

The Haqqani network IS on the list.

#392 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-06-03 03:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

-you post these links and then pray nobody clicks on them?

If you read them you would learn what everyone else already knows: that Israel is widely considered expert in dealing with terrorists.

#393 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-03 03:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's entirely my fault for thinking you were aiming where you were shooting and vice versa.
#376 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

It's entirely your fault for fixating on a portion of my post that had the least bit of substance, as it was a reference to an extreme possibility, but a possibility none the less. Are you unable to recognize the scale between having a smoke and jerking off?

#394 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-03 03:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Bowe Robert Bergdahl (born March 28, 1986) is a United States Army soldier who was held captive by the Taliban-aligned Haqqani network in Afghanistan from June 2009 until his release on May 31, 2014.[2]["

This is from wiki.

#395 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-03 03:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

You guys can spin it if you like. Qatar didn't get or give anything on this deal. They were the middle man between Obama and the Haqqani network b/c we had the top taliban members and they had the deserter.

#396 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-03 03:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

#391 | POSTED BY SULLY

No worries. It wasn't a big deal then and certainly not the big deal that DIX is trying to make it to be now.

#397 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-03 03:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

That the administration apparently utilized an intermediary doesn't change the fact that this negotiation was between the administration and the Taliban.

It's kind of like saying that if Obama and Putin negotiated a deal where the US would shred an Eastern European treaty and not place a missile shield and then get nothing in return, but it was done through translators, then Obama didn't negotiate with Putin, he negotiated with a translator.

#398 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-06-03 03:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

-They are considered to be pathetically bad at setting policies that discourage terrorism and that can be evidenced by the fact that for most of their history they are under constant threat from terrorists.

That because for most of their history they are under constant threat from terrorists is evidence that they are pathetically bad at setting policies that discourage terrorism?

Laughably convoluted, "logic".

#399 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-03 03:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

Israel is widely considered expert in dealing with terrorists.

Takes one to know one.

#400 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-06-03 03:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

Israel is widely considered expert in dealing with terrorists.
Takes one to know one.

#400 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

Oooh, ouch! Witty, but very ouch!

:-)

#401 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-03 03:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

-This is from wiki

The citation is a news article that states:

"Afghans in contact with the Taliban told the AP that the soldier was held by a Taliban group led by a commander called Maulvi Sangin. They said the fighters decided to move him north into Taliban-controlled areas of Ghazni province."

#402 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-03 03:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

Qatar allowing freed Taliban men to move freely in country.

news.yahoo.com

Doesn't look like they'll be 'disappeared' anytime soon, Rsty.

#403 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2014-06-03 03:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

They were the middle man between Obama and the Haqqani network b/c we had the top taliban members and they had the deserter.

#396 | Posted by Dalton

I so am glad you know all these things to be absolutely true.

Because from my research some articles call them the Taliban and some call them the Haqqani network. They seem to mix and match them according to who is writing the article.

Even Time magazine is calling them the Taliban...not the Haqqani.

And however nasty the Taliban may be, it's not really a "terrorist" enemy as we commonly understand the word. The group is not on the State Department's official list of terrorist organizations and has has long been a battlefield enemy in the ground war for control of Afghanistan. It is not plotting to, say, hijack American airplanes -- even if it does have sympathies with people who are. Ditto the Taliban leaders released over the weekend. They are members of a savage and deplorable organization. But unlike, say, Khalid Sheikh Mohammad, they have no history of plotting attacks on the U.S. homeland.

time.com

I am not sure who really knows yet so I am glad someone like you has it all figured out already as I am sure you have the best interests of America in mind.

#404 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-06-03 03:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

I lifted this from a different thread but it's equally applicable here:

I remember when Ed Snowden became famous.
The same Obama cheerleaders here who focused squarely on Eddie himself and ignored the information he had uncovered have tried a complete 180 turn around and now pretend to be in disgust for the same focus being placed on Bergdahl. That we need to learn more, have an investigation as to his motives, what he was really trying to do, etc...
It was fair to attack Snowden for being a traitor, but it's unfair to scrutinize Bergdahl in any way.
what's sad is that these partisan cheerleaders believe they do it without being noticed.

#15 | POSTED BY EBERLY

#405 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-06-03 03:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

Doesn't look like they'll be 'disappeared' anytime soon, Rsty.
#403 | POSTED BY LEE_THE_AGENT

Sh¡†! Well, here's for the hope that the CIA is really, REALLY good at their jobs. *spark*...*spark*...*snap*

Thanks for the link, LEE.

#406 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-03 03:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

I lifted this from a different thread but it's equally applicable here:

Dear GOP: The US Has Negotiated with Terrorists and Amnestied Them All Through History

www.commondreams.org

Derek Wildstar post

#407 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-03 03:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Walking away", might be AWOL at most with no other info...."

Yeah, you earn the Donnerboy award for ignorance too, Corky. I made the mistake of supposing your IQ was higher than your age. What's this stuff about "no other info?" He mailed his personal effects home, Rolling Stone published all those emails he sent to his father, testimony from a former Pentagon official, accounts from his fellow soldiers, His written testimonials about how "horrible" America is, how he was ashamed to be an American and on and on. All of that stuff is "no other info?" No hope for you, Corky, you're so deep in the tank it's impossible for you to ever get out.

#408 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-06-03 03:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

-It was fair to attack Snowden for being a traitor, but it's unfair to scrutinize Bergdahl in any way.

Nonsense. We know what Snowden did, if not the worst of it. He told us what he did.

We haven't heard from Bowe Bergdahlat all.

#409 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-03 03:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

"If you read them you would learn what everyone else already knows: that Israel is widely considered expert in dealing with terrorists.

#393 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-03 03:28 PM | Reply | Flag:"

They are also routinely criticized as persuing policies that create more terrorists and encourage further terrorism. "Everyone else" already knows this too. [...]

#410 | Posted by sully at 2014-06-03 03:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

-on whether or not a person or group is "successful" on results

It's absurd considering their geopolitical circumstance; surrounded by enemies from day one.

#411 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-03 03:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

You guys can spin it if you like. Qatar didn't get or give anything on this deal. They were the middle man between Obama and the Haqqani network b/c we had the top taliban members and they had the deserter.

#396 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-03 03:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

I don't know even why anyone would make the distinction that Qatar was the middle man as if that matters. In a 400+ post thread, that is probably the most retarded point being discussed, which says alot.

Negotiating with terrorists through an intermediary is still negotiating with terrorists.

#412 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-03 03:49 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

The US Has Negotiated with Terrorists and Amnestied Them All Through History

www.commondreams.org

in case you missed it.

And the most absurd minor point being discussed here is the claim that teh Israelis are not expert in dealing with terrorists.

#413 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-03 03:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's absurd considering their geopolitical circumstance; surrounded by enemies from day one.

#411 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-03 03:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

So they are above criticism forever and ever? Nothing they've ever done affects the probability that people will blow themselves up just to kill Israelis in the process?

Settlement building doesn't encourage terrorism? Demolishing homes? Abuses at checkpoints? Israeli-only roads through Palestinian communities? Settler violence?

Grow up.

#414 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-03 03:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

And the most absurd minor point being discussed here is the claim that teh Israelis are not expert in dealing with terrorists.

#413 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-03 03:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

They're good at security. By any objective measure, they stink at dealing with the population that is sending terrorists their way.

I just gave you many examples of this in my last post. I won't be getting any examples of successful Israeli policies from you in return.

#415 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-03 03:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

-above criticism forever and ever

Hope those goalposts aren't too heavy for you.

The awful treatment of Palestinians has nada to do with the subject at hand, which is negotiating the release of terrorists.

The Israelis, who know one hell of a lot more about the subject than you do, thought it was in their interests to release over 1000 Palestinians to get back one of their own... but you whined about us giving up 5 for 1, then claimed we "negotiated with terrorists", as if that isn't the history of what nations sometimes have to do... as per the link postd.

#416 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-03 04:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

And the most absurd minor point being discussed here is the claim that teh Israelis are not expert in dealing with terrorists.

#413 | POSTED BY CORKY

So what? They're also experts at not buying at retail an inventing double entry accounting. Why don't you pump the brakes a little.

#417 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2014-06-03 04:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

WASHINGTON -- Sometime after midnight on June 30, 2009, Pfc. Bowe Bergdahl left behind a note in his tent saying he had become disillusioned with the Army, did not support the American mission in Afghanistan and was leaving to start a new life.

www.nytimes.com

Does a hand written note from Bowe trump sounds on Wikileaks?

#418 | Posted by wisgod at 2014-06-03 04:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

#417

Apparently they aren't the experts at the racist cheap shot that you are, either.

#419 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-03 04:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

God there must be some beetles for you to crush.

#420 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2014-06-03 04:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

God there must be some beetles for you to crush.

#421 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2014-06-03 04:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

Maybe you will get lucky and stumble across a fly waiting to have its wings pulled off.

BTW When the great Moeshe Dayan (Defense Minister of Israel) was asked how he had so many military victories he said, "Simple, fight Arabs"

#422 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2014-06-03 04:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

#418

lol, two days later he finally reads that.

Did you read this one?

U.S. Prisoner Bowe Bergdahl's Failed Attempt to Escape From Taliban

In exclusive interviews, Afghan insurgents reveal how Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, imprisoned by the Taliban in Pakistan since 2009, made a bold bid for freedom -- but was quickly recaptured.

Mullah Sangin and his brother Mullah Balal, who had been put in charge of the prisoner, organized a search as soon as the escape was discovered. Nevertheless, the sources say, Bergdahl successfully avoided capture for three days and two nights. The searchers finally found him, weak, exhausted, and nearly naked -- he had spent three days without food or water -- hiding in a shallow trench he had dug with his own hands and covered with leaves.

"Obviously a mother wants to hear that her son is well," said Col. Timothy Marsano. He said she was proud to hear "that he fought off his captors."

Even then, he put up a ferocious fight. The two gunmen who found him first were unable to subdue him. "He fought like a boxer," Hanif was told. It took five more militants to overpower him. Now back in custody, he is kept shackled at night, and his jailers are taking no chances. They constantly move him from place to place, hoping to elude any U.S. efforts to find him, Hanif says. Another Afghan source says the American's captors shuttle him back and forth across the border.

www.thedailybeast.com

#423 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-03 04:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Hope those goalposts aren't too heavy for you.

The awful treatment of Palestinians has nada to do with the subject at hand, which is negotiating the release of terrorists."

Bullcrap. You were talking about one of their policies and contended that they are policy experts in the area of preventing terrorism. When faced with overwhelming evidence that you are wrong, you tried to backpedal. Not my problem. They are security experts who suck at enacted policies that discourage terrorism. That is reality.

"The Israelis, who know one hell of a lot more about the subject than you do, thought it was in their interests to release over 1000 Palestinians to get back one of their own... "

Good for them. They still live under constant threat, conscript almost every member of their society and partially rely on apartheid to stay safe. Real success story there.

"but you whined about us giving up 5 for 1, then claimed we "negotiated with terrorists", as if that isn't the history of what nations sometimes have to do... as per the link postd."

So make up your mind. Did I claim that Obama negotiated with terroriss or did he actually do it and you say its OK. You seem to both want to deny that it happened while at the same time saying their is nothing wrong with it. If there were nothing wrong with it, you wouldn't be in denial mode. Why should I believe what you're saying when you obviously don't?

#424 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-03 04:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

Much more at that link, btw, including info on the video of how he was captured.

#425 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-03 04:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

Spot on Sully!

#426 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2014-06-03 04:14 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

That's nice Corky. Maybe they didn't treat Bowe as well as he and Daddy thought they would.

#427 | Posted by wisgod at 2014-06-03 04:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

including info on the video of how he was captured.

#425 | Posted by Corky

Info on the video but no video. Why wouldn't the Whitehouse post the video if they have it? Obama happy about the coverage he's getting? I'm sure you won't answer that, Corky.

#428 | Posted by wisgod at 2014-06-03 04:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

lol, two days later he finally reads that.
#423 | POSTED BY CORKY

Read it and still declares that we don't know enough. I'm all for due process, CORKY, but it's pretty clear he didn't want to be there.

And your link makes it very clear that he had not interest in being a captive. Good to know in regards to possible traitorous intentions, but desertion? Not as much. The "to start a new life," for me, offers evidence that he didn't intend to come back. If anything, he's an idiot for leaving evidence that could be used proving his guilt. As you suggest, doing otherwise leaves it open for interpretation (AWOL).

#429 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-03 04:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

-contended that they are policy experts in the area of preventing terrorism.

Never happened. You jumped on the thread at #27 going off on some ludicrous rant.

It was when I used the example of the Israelis trading over 1000 captives for 1 that you went off on how they didn't know anytime about trading hostages and shouldn't be used as an example.

It was never about their poor decisions in Palestine, and you know it.

#430 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-03 04:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

how they didn't know anything

#431 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-03 04:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

This is going to play out like the video that caused the riot.

#432 | Posted by wisgod at 2014-06-03 04:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Maybe they didn't treat Bowe as well as he and Daddy thought they would."

And speaking of the Dad, my God! Does he now yodel 5 times a day too?

#433 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2014-06-03 04:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

The White House has apologized to Senate Intelligence Committee Chairwoman Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) for failing to alert her in advance of a decision to release Taliban commanders from Guantanamo Bay

But, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said Tuesday he was notified by the administration of the prisoner swap immediately before it happened.

Read more: thehill.com

So there! Competence be damned!

#434 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2014-06-03 04:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

The US Has Negotiated with Terrorists and Amnestied Them All Through History

Yes, Corky, but there is just something different about THIS President doing that.

Sully has decided it should NEVER be done PERIOD...past history be damned..so there.

#435 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-06-03 04:31 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"It was when I used the example of the Israelis trading over 1000 captives for 1 that you went off on how they didn't know anytime about trading hostages and shouldn't be used as an example."

I didn't say that they didn't know anything abut trading hostages. You used Israel as an example and then made a commment about how they know how to deal with terrorists. That's not a security measure you were referring to, it was a policy decision. So I pointed out that Israeli policy, by any objective measure, is horrible at discouraging terror attacks so they are not an expert in the area of establishing policies that discourage terrorism.

So here we are now.....

"It was never about their poor decisions in Palestine, and you know it."

Trading 1,000 prisoners for one guy is one of those poor decisions, Einstein. Of course that is what it is about. The Palestinians target Israeli soldiers for kidnappings for exactly this reason.

You also claimed they are experts. That opens their policies up to scrutiny.

The checkpoints, demolishing homes and Israeli-only roads are DIRECTLY related to terrorism. If not the terror activity, these policies would not be in place at all. The settler activity is a main inspiration for terrorism so its fair game too.

Just because your claims don't stand up to scrutiny doesn't mean it is wrong to scrutinize them.

#436 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-03 04:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

So there! Competence be damned!
#434 | POSTED BY TONTONMACOUTE

There's a difference between formally notifying congress 30 days before (as stated in the law) and informally notifying Senate Majority Leader immediately before, no?

#437 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-03 04:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

There's a difference between formally notifying congress 30 days before (as stated in the law) and informally notifying Senate Majority Leader immediately before, no?

#437 | Posted by rstybeach11

There wasn't time. This thing was heating up after 5 years.

#438 | Posted by wisgod at 2014-06-03 04:38 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

-Trading 1,000 prisoners for one guy is one of those poor decisions, Einstein.

NO, it was a popular decision in Israel, one they determined was in their best interests.

Too bad they didn't ask a REAL terrorism expert like yourself first.

And btw, you stretching my mentioning Israel's prisoner exchange does not mean you get to stretch that into a lame diatribe about Palestine.

Anyone who buys that needs to go Brooklyn to pick up their their new bridge.

#439 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-03 04:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

-This thing was heating up after 5 years.

This American soldier was getting sicker after 5 years.

#440 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-03 04:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

#438 | POSTED BY WISGOD

Bergdahl's health is what will ultimately absolve Obama publicly, IMO. Doesn't even have to be true that he was truly ill, on death's door, etc.

#441 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-03 04:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

Bergdahl's health is what will ultimately absolve Obama publicly, IMO. Doesn't even have to be true that he was truly ill, on death's door, etc.

#441 | Posted by rstybeach11

No doubt they'll use that next week on the Sunday shows after this weeks Rice explanation.

#442 | Posted by wisgod at 2014-06-03 04:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

This American soldier was getting sicker after 5 years.

#440 | Posted by Corky

Wikileaks again?

#443 | Posted by wisgod at 2014-06-03 04:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

"NO, it was a popular decision in Israel, one they determined was in their best interests."

A popular decision that encourages further acts of terrorism.

"Too bad they didn't ask a REAL terrorism expert like yourself first.

And btw, you stretching my mentioning Israel's prisoner exchange does not mean you get to stretch that into a lame diatribe about Palestine."

Allow me to put this in terms even you can understand.

#1 - The policy of not negotiating with terrorists is based on the idea that doing so only encourages further acts of terrorism.

#2 - In order to prove #1 wrong, you pointed out that Israel negotiates with terrorists so it must be OK because they are experts on terrorism.

#3 - If #2 actually proved the premise behind #1 wrong, there would be evidence. The evidence would have to be that Israel is rarely attacked by terrorists. Because that would be the ONLY evidence that matters when you are trying to prove that negotiating with terrorists doesn't encourage terrorism. Reality is actually the exact opposite of the evidence you would need to have any kind of point when you invoked Israeli's dealings with Hamas.

That I had to spell it out for you in such painful detail should be an embarassment for you. But at least you learned something.

#444 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-03 04:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

#443

Dumb post again.

#445 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-03 04:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

Dumb post again.

#445 | Posted by Corky

Says the guy that now wants to be an authority on Bowe's Health.

#446 | Posted by wisgod at 2014-06-03 04:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

And the most absurd minor point being discussed here is the claim that teh Israelis are not expert in dealing with terrorists.

#413 | POSTED BY CORKY

Wrong-o. The most absurd minor point being discussed here is the remote possibility RstyBch raised that Bergdahl was in a makeshift latrine offbase so he could smoke/jerk.

www.youtube.com

#447 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-06-03 04:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

Says the guy that now wants to be an authority on Bowe's Health.

#446 | Posted by wisgod at 2014-06-03 04:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

This is the guy that came to the conclusion that Zimmerman ran into trees and punched himself in the face after he shot Trayvon. Think of him as the Dr. Bill Frist of the drudge retort.

#448 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-06-03 04:59 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

-A popular decision that encourages further acts of terrorism.

Well, you would know better than they. I mean, like I said before which set you off on your lame rants, "what do the Israelis know about terrorism anyway?".

Too bad they are not bright enough to consider consequences and make decision without you.

-But at least you learned something.

Didn't learn a thing. I already know that some people will defend what they said no matter how ignorant it is just because they said it.

Your supposed rationale looks like an eighth grade Logic class project gone bad.

What I pointed out is the historical fact that we and they and practically every other nation concerned has always negotiated with people who hold our citizens prisoner despite our stated policy when we think it is to our advantage.... a good example being the Israeli trade I mentioned.

Which facts of history are detailed in the link I gave you.

www.commondreams.org

#449 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-03 05:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

If Wissy and Dalton can't read published news accounts of the soldier's health issues, then I guess I can't help them.

Perhaps a Braille version would be in order?

#450 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-03 05:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

Dumb post again.

#445 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-03 04:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

That you still have no idea how to refute. What does that say about you?

#451 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-03 05:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

Here was where the interesting inanity began:

Seems unlikely that he was where he was supposed to be when he was captured but that doesn't necessarily make him guilty of treason.
#290 | POSTED BY SULLY

I find that hard to believe. Probably plenty of grunts wander off for a smoke (jerk?) and get reprimanded accordingly.

Again, it sounds as though he fully intended to walk away. But there's got to be some middle ground here in general, no?

#295 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11

#452 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-06-03 05:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Your supposed rationale looks like an eighth grade Logic class project gone bad."

And yet you can't logically refute it.

#453 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-03 05:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

#447 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

The fixation continues? You are really, really weird.

#454 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-03 05:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

#453

It is a made up scenario that is contradicted by the facts.... and the logic.

The idea that if Israel were really really good at terror policy they would have no attacks is abysmally naive.

#455 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-03 05:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

#452 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

Your continued fixation offers only two logical conclusions:

A) You are not confident in your accusation of rhetorical fallacy against me and seek support from others

or

B) You are trolling.

What goal do you have in mind that necessitates such effort?

#456 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-03 05:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

Ironic if this Bergdahl guy was convicted of treason and spent the rest of his life in a US jail. We could have saved money, time, and kept 5 really bad guys by not doing the deal and Bergdahl would still be off the streets.

#457 | Posted by sames1 at 2014-06-03 05:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

"What I pointed out is the historical fact that we and they and practically every other nation concerned has always negotiated with people who hold our citizens prisoner despite our stated policy when we think it is to our advantage.... a good example being the Israeli trade I mentioned."

That's another point entirely that doesn't rely on "Israel did it so its right" as the premise.

This one even has the benefit of being true unlike the premise of Israeli infallibility.

I suppose that negotiating with terrorists can make sense if the end game is that terrorists disarm and renounce terrorism (like in Northern Ireland which if you had half a brain you would have mentioned 20 posts ago).

I'll revise what I earlier to say that I don't agree with paying ransoms or negotiating with terrorists when an end to terrorist activities is not on the table.

#458 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-03 05:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

#457 | POSTED BY SAMES1

Irony can be found every where. Americans committing crimes against America should be tried in America's system. Call me idealistic, but that's one aspect I support greatly in this situation.

#459 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-03 05:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

The idea that if Israel were really really good at terror policy they would have no attacks is abysmally naive.

#455 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-03 05:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

That's not what I said.

Instead of just bleating "you're wrong" over and over while I make actual points that you can't refute, why don't you present even one scrap of evidence to support your point.

Tell me how Israeli policy has reduced terrorism. You're presenting them as an authority. If Israel does somethning then it must prevent terrorism just because.... So back up your claim. With any real piece of evidence meaning not just a link to "This guy says Israeli is super smart too!".

#460 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-03 05:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

-like in Northern Ireland

Was in the link I gave you long ago.

-the premise of Israeli infallibility.

Did you actually go thru an advanced Drama Queen college program?

- I don't agree

Personal opinions when discussing policy are so... quaint.

#461 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-03 05:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

-Tell me how Israeli policy has reduced terrorism.

lol, you can't get over yourself, can you?

I mention one trade, a very lopsided one, that a nation very experienced in such things made, comparing it to one we just made... and suddenly I am responsible for their entire Palestinian polices for the last 50 years?

Let it go, Sal.

#462 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-03 05:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

You are really, really weird.

#454 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11

Says the guy who suggested Bergdahl might be treated like a guy who just wanted to smoke/jerk in private back in #295.

Let's face it -- Bergdahl's "makeshift latrine" at the "post" where he was "captured" was a pit stop on his route to desert.

#464 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-06-03 05:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

-Puke.

Yeah, I've read some of your posts, too.

What you personally think about foreign policy would be a stand-up comedian's [...] at a FP meeting.

#465 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-03 05:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

"lol, you can't get over yourself, can you?"

You're still discussing it too. Must you be a blatant hypocrite in almost every post? Can you get it down to say, 40%?

"I mention one trade, a very lopsided one, that a nation very experienced in such things made, comparing it to one we just made... and suddenly I am responsible for their entire Palestinian polices for the last 50 years?"

Noooooo. You mentioned that trade and invoked Israel as an expert in dealing with terrorists. So I pointed out that they actually stink at dealing with terrorists and only get away with it because they are very good at enacting effective security measures. Their policies tend to inspire terrorism, their security tends to keep them alive. This is an easily observable reality.

#466 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-03 05:33 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

What you personally think about foreign policy would be a stand-up comedian's wet dream at a FP meeting.

#465 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-03 05:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

The last time we had a big argument about foreign policy was over Libya and subsequent events proved you wrong and me right.

You're like Dick Cheney puffing himself up as an expert despite being a proven idiot when it comes to such matters....

#467 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-03 05:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

What you personally think about foreign policy would be a stand-up comedian's wet dream at a FP meeting.

#465 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-03 05:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

The last time we had a big argument about foreign policy was over Libya and subsequent events proved you wrong and me right.

You're like Dick Cheney puffing himself up as an expert despite being a proven idiot when it comes to such matters....

#468 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-03 05:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

Tell me how Israeli policy has reduced terrorism. You're presenting them as an authority. If Israel does somethning then it must prevent terrorism just because....
#460 | POSTED BY SULLY

I am with you sully, in fact its increased kidnapping....
www.jerusalemonline.com

I would also point out, the prison exchanges by Israel seem lopsided only if you consider everyman equal, but Israel does not.

But if you consider, from the outside, the trade "equal" which is more valuable? 1 Israeli = 400 Palestinians......

#469 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-06-03 05:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

Says the guy who suggested Bergdahl might be treated like a guy who just wanted to smoke/jerk in private back in #295.

Yeah. I brought it up once. You have brought it up multiple times, focusing ONLY on the jerk part. Leave it be, it's weird enough.

Let's face it -- Bergdahl's "makeshift latrine" at the "post" where he was "captured" was a pit stop on his route to desert.
#464 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

That is very likely. An utmost probability. Doesn't discount some other possibility, which CORKY could appreciate.

#470 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-03 06:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

Did I not just mention the "smoke" part as well?

#471 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-06-03 06:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

Did I not just mention the "smoke" part as well?
#471 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

From what I can tell directly attributed to you: smoke = 3; jerk = 10, and it took you almost and hour to mention smoke.

#472 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-06-03 06:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

When you're right, you're right.

You're right.

'jerk' 10
'smoke' 3

I should have just gone with the smoke/jerk slash like you did to keep my jerk ratio tight, but I kept typing an apostrophe so I lost focus.

#473 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-06-03 06:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

-It was fair to attack Snowden for being a traitor

#409 | Posted by Corky at

I think he might be a traitor. If he is one, he's done this country an infinite amount more harm than poor pathetic Bergdhal.

We KNOW Snowden is headed for trial once we get him back here. We don't know if Bergdhal is. This would be another difference between them.

#474 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-03 07:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

Just put me down for what I stated.

#370 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at

That you'd like to walk both sides of the fence on this question?

#475 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-03 07:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

I said 'sure' I'd like him back. I'd prefer to have those 5 Taliban ------- still in captivity.

Now pretend you don't understand that.

#476 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-06-03 07:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

Who did Reagan Negotiate with?

#477 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2014-06-03 11:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

Who did Reagan Negotiate with?

#477 | Posted by Prolix247

His ex-wife

#478 | Posted by mariosanchez at 2014-06-04 04:50 AM | Reply | Flag:

And what about the War on Women? The release of those 5 leaders are going to result in much persecution.

#479 | Posted by ghickey at 2014-06-04 07:00 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Ironically, about a year ago, there was a huge blow up on the Right because some prosecutor argued Obama tainted his case by saying individuals who commit sexual assault or rape against fellow military members should be punished and discharged. His client was never named and the statement was broad (and true).

But now its perfectly okay for the Right to label this guy a deserter before a completed investigation or trial.

Here is your modern GOP.

#480 | Posted by Sycophant at 2014-06-04 10:55 AM | Reply | Flag:

"But now its perfectly okay for the Army to label this guy a deserter.....4 years ago"

ft

#481 | Posted by eberly at 2014-06-04 11:06 AM | Reply | Flag:

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