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Sunday, June 01, 2014

Sudanese authorities are to free a woman sentenced to death for having abandoned the Islamic faith, a foreign ministry official said. Meriam Ibrahim, who gave birth to a daughter in custody, will be freed in a few days, the official said. Abdullahi Alzareg, an under-secretary at the foreign ministry, said Sudan guaranteed religious freedom and was committed to protecting the woman. Ibrahim, 27, was brought up as an Orthodox Christian, but a Sudanese judge ruled earlier this month that she should be regarded as Muslim because that had been her father's faith. She refused to renounce her Christianity and was sentenced to death by hanging for apostasy.

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On Wednesday, she gave birth to a daughter in her prison cell - the second child from her marriage in 2011 to Daniel Wani, a US citizen.

The court (had) said Ms Ibrahim would be allowed to nurse her baby for two years before the sentence was carried out.

The court had earlier annulled her Christian marriage and sentenced her to 100 lashes for adultery because the union was not considered valid under Islamic law.

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The ruling has revived a debate over apostasy, with liberal and conservative scholars giving different opinions over whether - and how - the act of abandoning the Islamic faith should be punished.

Sorta like "Alien" blood, burns through everything. You don't dare kill it.

rwd

#1 | Posted by rightwingdon at 2014-05-31 10:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's wrong to threaten someone with death for something they may have said or done as an infant.

#2 | Posted by Tor at 2014-05-31 11:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's wrong to threaten someone with death for something they may have said or done as an infant.

#2 | Posted by Tor

Not in Pakistan.

rwd

#3 | Posted by rightwingdon at 2014-05-31 11:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

At least they are having the debate and not killing her.

Some people tell us Muslims never have this debate.

#4 | Posted by Corky at 2014-05-31 11:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

"At least they are having the debate and not killing her."

They may be having the debate but I doubt it's going to stop the conservatives from killing her.

#5 | Posted by Tor at 2014-05-31 11:34 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

#5

Apparently it already has.

#6 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-01 01:00 AM | Reply | Flag:

I'm sure the Christian international community had something to say to the Sudanese government. They need our trade.

#7 | Posted by jdmeth at 2014-06-01 07:56 AM | Reply | Flag:

I seriously hope the U.S. Government keeps it's eye on her until she is granted Asylum here. This is one of three issues that I have called the White House about. The others being Bush's SS debacle and for Obama to abandon the hunt for Snowden. I have no idea what happened behind the scenes for any of these three issues, but so far so good on all fronts.

#8 | Posted by bocaink at 2014-06-01 01:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

Corky thinks there would have been debate if this hadn't gone viral, that's cute.

#9 | Posted by paneocon at 2014-06-01 01:10 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Pcon thinks... oh, wait... no one will believe that.

Many rwingers "think" all Muslims are fundies when, as in the US, they are the just the loud-mouthed minority.

#10 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-01 01:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

"The ruling has revived a debate over apostasy, with liberal and conservative scholars giving different opinions over whether - and how - the act of abandoning the Islamic faith should be punished."

from the article, describing the debate inside Sudan among Muslim scholars.

Reading is your friend, not your enemy.

#12 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-01 01:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

Anything short of her, AND both her children leaving Sudan completely unharmed is a proof of Islamic inferiority.

#13 | Posted by USAF242 at 2014-06-01 02:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

Anything short of her, AND both her children leaving Sudan completely unharmed is a proof of Islamic inferiority.

#13 | Posted by USAF242

Islam isn't any better than christianity. But most of the nations where it is practiced are about 3-500 years behind the US in terms of violence and human rights.

It's not about the religion, it's about the evolution of a society.

Old-world christians were just as violent and cruel. It takes a turning away from religion and turning toward SCIENCE, REASON, and CRITICAL THINKING to pull a society into a more peaceful age.

#14 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-06-01 03:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

- SCIENCE, REASON, and CRITICAL THINKING

All aspects of most Renaissance thinkers, many of whom were Christians.

Issac Newton comes to mind.

#15 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-01 03:48 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

Why cant you liberals admit Christianity has moved into enlightenment and Islam has not?

#16 | Posted by boaz at 2014-06-01 04:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

SCIENCE, REASON, and CRITICAL THINKING to pull a society into a more peaceful age.
#14 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Like chemical, biological, and nuclear wars have made the planet a better place.

#17 | Posted by paneocon at 2014-06-01 07:20 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Why cant you liberals admit Christianity has moved into enlightenment and Islam has not?

#16 | Posted by boaz

That's what I'm saying. Islam is no more good or evil than christianity. It's simply the maturity of islamic societies that is behind the western ones. Maturing into the age of science and reason PAST religion is what stops beheadings and violent religious decrees.

#18 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-06-01 09:26 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Like chemical, biological, and nuclear wars have made the planet a better place.

#17 | Posted by paneocon

So your contribution is simply to say you think the world is more violent today than 500 years ago? Any other ignorance you're eager to show off?

#19 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-06-01 09:27 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"Islam is no more good or evil than christianity."

Christianity was founded by a peace activist.

Islam was founded by a Warlord.

These facts permeate every branch of the two.

#20 | Posted by Tor at 2014-06-01 09:43 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Actually Islam was founded by a Bedouin merchant. He wasn't a warlord unless that's code speak for any man you don't like in a turban. But uniting the tribes of Arabia has always pissed off Christendom so code speak is common.

And Jesus wasn't a peace activist. He was more likely, by those not deluded by fairy tales, a zealot, and actively involved in Jewish rebellion against roman rule.

This is all, If you want to talk facts.

Remember I'd be considered an apostate by these modern -------- because I no longer am anything more than a cultural Muslim. An atheist Muslim. I don't believe in fairy tales but I do appreciate my ethnic culture and traditions that aren't inspired by hate. Christians pretend they don't have hate in their faith. Makes them feel better committing horrendous acts of violence under the name of god. Muslims do the same when they religion of peace.

No religion is all peace or all hate though. That would be stupid to think in such childish ways. Almost as stupid as believing in religious fairy tales in the first place.

#21 | Posted by klifferd at 2014-06-02 09:04 AM | Reply | Flag:

Just saying, if you really want to discuss facts. Mohammad was hunted by the warlords for bringing Islam to pagan worshippers of Arabia. But was a merchant that was elevated to head of state in a previously tribal culture. And through his experiences as a merchant saw better ways of ruling and introduced a jurisprudence system to provide a system of justice.

Albeit a justice system not really fit to work in a modern world anymore where secular democracies tend to make more sense.

At the time it was ahead of the feudal systems of Europe which were later replaced by Christian peace activists known as popes. We all know how popish rule worked out. How many people were living under the peace of Roman Catholic Church.

#22 | Posted by klifferd at 2014-06-02 09:13 AM | Reply | Flag:

Sudan in U-turn on promise to release Meriam

Sudan's foreign ministry yesterday repudiated a suggestion that the government would order the release of Meriam Ibrahim, the mother sentenced to death for apostasy, warning that only the country's courts could order her freedom.

www.independent.ie

#23 | Posted by paneocon at 2014-06-02 10:15 AM | Reply | Flag:

At least they are having the debate and not killing her.

Some people tell us Muslims never have this debate.

#4 | Posted by Corky at 2014-05-31 11:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

International pressure coming from non-Muslims made them change their mind.

#24 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-02 10:27 AM | Reply | Flag:

#24

Wow, someone who was there watching the inner workings.

Amazing.

#25 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-02 12:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Islam was founded by a Bedouin merchant. He wasn't a warlord"

en.wikipedia.org

warlord

#26 | Posted by Tor at 2014-06-02 12:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

Wow, someone who was there watching the inner workings.

Amazing.

#25 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-02 12:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

Wow. Someone who hasn't learned anything from the previous 1,000 similar incidents.

Amazing.

#27 | Posted by sully at 2014-06-02 01:24 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Wow. Someone for whom generalization equals fact in a specific case.

Amazi...er, pretty common, actually.

#28 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-02 01:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

Wow. Someone for whom generalization equals fact in a specific case.

Amazi...er, pretty common, actually.

#28 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-02 01:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

Maybe the sun will come up in the West and set in the East tomorrow.

But I'm not betting on it.

#29 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-02 01:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

lol, there is substantial debate between conservative and liberal factions of Islam throughout the world, with moderate to liberal ideas holding sway in most places other then those like Sudan or Somalia.

Like I said, it's the loud-mouthed fundies who get the most attention... enough to make some gullible people think they are as sure as the setting sun.

#30 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-02 01:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

lol, there is substantial debate between conservative and liberal factions of Islam throughout the world, with moderate to liberal ideas holding sway in most places other then those like Sudan or Somalia.

Like I said, it's the loud-mouthed fundies who get the most attention... enough to make some gullible people think they are as sure as the setting sun.

#30 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-02 01:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

Uh-huh. I've seen coverage of many large protests across the Muslim world over issues as petty as a Youtube video. Never seen one over the mistreatment of reglious minorities and never will.

#31 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-02 02:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

#31

That's what happens if you get your world view from youtube videos, one supposes.

usureason.com

#32 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-02 02:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

Corky

You are either deliberately working to confuse the issue or you are not capable of simple reading:

Can you notice the difference between the two following?:

#1
Noting that Islamist protest over every real or imagined slight, up to and including a petty YouTube video.
#2
Getting ones 'world view' from youtube videos.

Because your #32 post makes it pretty clear you can't tell the difference (or just can't think of an intelligent response, so you try to muddy the issue instead).

#33 | Posted by USAF242 at 2014-06-02 05:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

#33

That you can't follow the fact that out of 1.5 billion+ Muslims, most are not fundie fanatics would be entertaining were it not so sad.

Of course, the ones that are rwing fanatics are not dissimilar to our own here in the Us.... here on the DR... here on this thread.

#34 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-02 05:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

Corky

Thank you for confirming that your only response to #31 is to try and muddy the water of the debate.

#35 | Posted by USAF242 at 2014-06-02 05:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

Thanks for not denying your associated fundie-ness.

Radical rwingers are the same the world over.

#36 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-02 05:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

That you can't follow the fact that out of 1.5 billion+ Muslims, most are not fundie fanatics would be entertaining were it not so sad.

Of course, the ones that are rwing fanatics are not dissimilar to our own here in the Us.... here on the DR... here on this thread.

#34 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-02 05:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

Nobody claimed that a large % of Muslims are AQ. You're making that up.

My comments were getting at the fact that Muslims in general are indifferent to abuses committed by Muslims against non-Muslims. This is an observable reality when you look at how non-Muslims are treated in just about every Muslim majority country.

#37 | Posted by Sully at 2014-06-02 05:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

Tor. If you want an honest discussion we can have one. But if battles make a head of state a warlord then pretty much every major head of state is a warlord.

I think you are just using code for man in turban though.

#38 | Posted by klifferd at 2014-06-02 09:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

KLIFFERD compare to Jesus just about every head of state is a warlord.

Jesus is not a head of state though but the founder of a major religion same as MPBUH.

There words and deeds of far greater importance than a politicians.

#39 | Posted by Tor at 2014-06-02 09:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

That is right. Jesus wasn't a head of state.. A major flaw in the prophethood of Jesus.

But Jesus believed in Jewish Law as a founding principle for who SHOULD be head of state of israelites. Which is why the Roman's wanted him dead.

#40 | Posted by klifferd at 2014-06-03 09:34 AM | Reply | Flag:

-Muslims in general are indifferent to abuses committed by Muslims against non-Muslims.

Broad brush much?

That's a ludicrous assumption.

#41 | Posted by Corky at 2014-06-03 12:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Jesus wasn't a head of state.. A major flaw in the prophethood of Jesus."

Was it?

If people treated each other as Jesus taught us the concept of nations becomes obsolete.

#42 | Posted by Tor at 2014-06-03 01:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

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