Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Friday, May 30, 2014

Mark Follman, Mother Jones: On Memorial Day this week, a former Marine in Texas named James got a couple calls from friends who'd spotted an unusual gathering in downtown Fort Worth: Roughly a dozen people, mostly men, were hanging out in the middle of the city's cultural district, armed with semi-automatic rifles. James quickly knew what his friends were describing, having recently encountered an open-carry demonstration himself in the Dallas-Fort Worth area. An independent TV commercial producer who sometimes films live events, James headed downtown with his camera to get some footage. "I'm all for responsible gun owners," he said. "What they're doing is irresponsible. It intimidates the public, and people have just as much right to be comfortable in their public environment as these guys have a right to own their firearms."

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Suddenly he was surrounded by about a half dozen armed men. They started badgering him with questions and accusing him of being anti-American. "I said, 'Are you kidding me? I served in the military.' They were trying to intimidate me, and when I didn't cower that upset them," he said. But he was starting to feel nervous and decided to disengage and walk away.

In a video obtained by Mother Jones that was posted online later that day by one of the activists, the group can be seen pursuing and harassing James through downtown Fort Worth. "I'm following this guy around," declares one of them, setting off after him with his weapon slung across his back. He and others stay right behind James for several city blocks, following him through traffic and taunting him along the way.

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The well regulated militia shows their true colors. They live to intimidate the populace.

Idiots like these love to feel the power of telling the world that they could blow everybody away if they had the slightest inclination.

This bully mentality is simply an irritation if nobody is armed. When stalking fellow citizens with weapons of mass destruction slung over their shoulders, these doofuses are trying to provoke a confrontation or to intimidate Americans on our own soil. They are domestic terrorists, gloating over their "power" to unnerve the citizenry.

When mental midgets like these can play "hunting for liberals" to harass unarmed citizen they are 'thugs'.

#1 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2014-05-30 10:30 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

RE:#1 They certainly aren't helping their cause.

#2 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-05-30 10:32 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

The world is full of --------. This is news?

#3 | Posted by goatman at 2014-05-30 10:38 AM | Reply | Flag:

Guy has a big camera. Where's his video?

#4 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2014-05-30 10:59 AM | Reply | Flag:

OK.....No more debate concerning the existence of gun-nuts. Apparently, they sometimes run in packs.

#5 | Posted by Zed at 2014-05-30 10:59 AM | Reply | Flag:

OK.....No more debate concerning the existence of gun-nuts. Apparently, they sometimes run in packs.

#5 | POSTED BY ZED

It should be noted that zed's definition of a "gun nut" includes someone like me who owns two very old family heirloom firearms: One is a .22. single shot rifle, the other a model 1897 shotgun that I'm afraid to fire because of its age.

#6 | Posted by goatman at 2014-05-30 11:06 AM | Reply | Flag:

Overgrown babies who can't leave their toys at home.

#7 | Posted by Sully at 2014-05-30 11:16 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

What is the point that is trying to be made here?

That the guy with the camera is a giant jerk?

#8 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-05-30 11:17 AM | Reply | Flag:

What is the point that is trying to be made here?

#8 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014

That its a problem to be chased by men wearing guns? That men wearing guns are a problem? That these men should not wear guns?

#9 | Posted by Zed at 2014-05-30 11:32 AM | Reply | Flag:

If this guy had been chased by men wearing toasters, it would be bad enough. But he wasn't, was he?

#10 | Posted by Zed at 2014-05-30 11:33 AM | Reply | Flag:

When teaching Hunter education classes, I highly emphasize the importance of not flashing the success of your hunt, or the tools you use. There is no reason to show a bloody animal to someone who may be offended. The quickest way to turn someone who doesn't care about hunters into anti hunters, is to sit at a stop light with blood running down the back of your truck.
These morons are hurting not only themselves, but the many responsible sportman who follow the ethical rules of gun ownership. These people are not responsible gun owners, they are mentally incapable of having the right to own anything that can be used to harm others. Just my humble opinion.

#11 | Posted by autonomous at 2014-05-30 11:48 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 4

"That its a problem to be chased by men wearing guns?"

He was asked a few questions and an attempt to open dialogue with what was perceived to be media. But they were friendly and not confrontational.

" That men wearing guns are a problem? That these men should not wear guns?"

And why? Did they do anything? Did they threaten anyone? Did they mouth off and try to start anything?

Nope, it was the guy with a camera that was doing that. [...]

#12 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-05-30 12:07 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 2

#12 I bet you would feel the same way if a group of "men", in the "cultural district" of Detroit were doing the exact same thing.

#13 | Posted by autonomous at 2014-05-30 12:22 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Did they do anything? Did they threaten anyone? Did they mouth off and try to start anything?

#12 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-05-30 12:07 PMFlag: (Choose)
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Yes to each of your questions. Yes. Yes. Yes.

You didn't read the article. Its that, or your manner of thinking is alien to that of most people I get to know.

#14 | Posted by Zed at 2014-05-30 12:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'm thinking you've taught yourself to think in an alien manner. It can't come naturally. You're turning the world on its head to accommodate your guns.

#15 | Posted by Zed at 2014-05-30 12:31 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 4

"These morons are hurting not only themselves, but the many responsible sportman who follow the ethical rules of gun ownership"

agreed. They are just making it worse for responsible gun owners.

#16 | Posted by eberly at 2014-05-30 12:39 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"Yes to each of your questions. Yes. Yes. Yes.
You didn't read the article. Its that, or your manner of thinking is alien to that of most people I get to know."

That is the point,m the article draws conclusions that are not supported by the evidence. The only person acting childish according to the video was the guy calling them all ------. That much cannot be disputed. So unless you just take MJ word for it (which knowing their track record is absurd in and of itself) you can watch the video and see what actually happened. But other then that you are dealing with the spin of MJ which no objective view can put them on any higher level then WND or infowars.

#17 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-05-30 01:08 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

"#12 I bet you would feel the same way if a group of "men", in the "cultural district" of Detroit were doing the exact same thing."

Absolutely i would. What just because they are a minority you think they are inherently more dangerous?
See i am not afflicted by a phobia of inanimate objects so i do not fear someone just because they have the ability to hurt me.

#18 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-05-30 01:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

" You're turning the world on its head to accommodate your guns."

Not at all. You are wanting the world to accommodate your unreasonable fear. It's kinda like wanting to irradiate all clowns because they give you nightmares.

#19 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-05-30 01:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

The world is full of --------. This is news?

#3 | Posted by goatman at 2014-05-30 10:38 AM | Reply

When they're armed and hassling a Marine, yeah, it is. Nothing good is going to come from Open Carry and, almost certainly, people that don't deserve it are going to get shot because these jerks want to "make a point". Funny how we, as a nation, got along just fine until the '80s without privately held automatic weapons, armor piercing ammo and other military grade weaponry. We can thank the marketing arm of the firearms manufacturers and their mouthpiece, the NRA, for this nonsense. May Wayne LaPierre and his pals rot in Hell.

#20 | Posted by morris at 2014-05-30 01:50 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

You are wanting the world to accommodate your unreasonable fear.

#19 | Posted by salamandagator

One day one of your open-carry friends is going to get very drunk, or very off of his meds, or perhaps just very offended, and kill a few people.

You and I will have an interesting conversation on that day.

#21 | Posted by Zed at 2014-05-30 02:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

Funny how we, as a nation, got along just fine until the '80s without privately held automatic weapons, armor piercing ammo and other military grade weaponry. We can thank the marketing arm of the firearms manufacturers and their mouthpiece, the NRA, for this nonsense. May Wayne LaPierre and his pals rot in Hell.

#20 | POSTED BY MORRIS AT 2014-05-30 01:50 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

You must not be from this country. It was in 1986 that Congress cracked down on NFA weapons, banning possession and transfer of all fully automatic weapons made prior to 1986. That means no more made for civilians, at all. Transferring them became outright impossible in most places.

#22 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2014-05-30 02:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

"One day one of your open-carry friends is going to get very drunk, or very off of his meds, or perhaps just very offended, and kill a few people."

It is possible that it could happen. Historically however i have a much larger chance of being struck by lightning or being in a plane crash. The difference between you and i is that i do not live my life in constant fear of incredibly small chances of something happening to me. Think what will happen if your phobia spreads to other things. You will never go out of your house. A sad way to live.

#23 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-05-30 02:53 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"When they're armed and hassling a Marine, yeah, it is. "

Who started it? And do you forget that you can hear many in the group were veterans as well. So at best you have a jerk who was a veteran hassling and cussing out other veterans who were peacefully demonstrating their constitutional rights. In no way possible does it come out to the guy with the camera being less of an ----- then the demonstrators.

#24 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-05-30 02:55 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

If I wanted to hire people to discredit the open carry movement, I couldn't do any better than these clowns in Texas. Vowing to "ruin" the guy in comments later was the icing on the cake.

#25 | Posted by rcade at 2014-05-30 02:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

The difference between you and i is that i do not live my life in constant fear of incredibly small chances of something happening to me.

There's an incredibly small chance you'll ever need a gun either, but that doesn't stop you from thinking you need one at your hip all day long like Wyatt Earp.

#26 | Posted by rcade at 2014-05-30 02:59 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 7

" Funny how we, as a nation, got along just fine until the '80s without privately held automatic weapons, armor piercing ammo and other military grade weaponry."

Uh? Seriously?
It used to be that there were tons of M1 garands and carbines as well as a plethora of other varieties of semi auto guns. The garand i have from my grandfather still has the receipt. It was purchased in the 60's for 17 dollars. It is a far more powerful semi-auto then a ar. It is military, it was bought from surplus. You also seem to forget that there was a grandfather clause on automatic weapons. So pre 80's you had more powerful and more easily obtained guns. If anything it has gotten more difficult, certainly more expensive, and the firepower has gone down since then.

#27 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-05-30 03:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

"If I wanted to hire people to discredit the open carry movement, I couldn't do any better than these clowns in Texas. Vowing to "ruin" the guy in comments later was the icing on the cake."

I wonder if you apply the same thinking to other demonstrators.
Would you say that all demonstration should be void of the issue being demonstrated or is is just guns and gun owners who you think are second class?

#28 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-05-30 03:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

"There's an incredibly small chance you'll ever need a gun either, but that doesn't stop you from thinking you need one at your hip all day long like Wyatt Earp."

There is a much higher chance of being robbed or mugged or assaulted then there is of being shot accidentally or by a law abiding citizen. So even were we to pretend like that is an argument the very most you would have against these people is that their fear is more justified then yours.

#29 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-05-30 03:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Vowing to "ruin" the guy in comments later was the icing on the cake."

So saying that you will prove a guy wrong is terrible in your opinion?
Hmm, again would you dare to apply that to other issues or just second class citizen gun owners?

#30 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-05-30 03:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

I wonder if you apply the same thinking to other demonstrators.

Look at you, pretending that a group of armed men chasing people through the streets of a city is normal, acceptable behavior.

#31 | Posted by rcade at 2014-05-30 03:05 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 4

"Look at you, pretending that a group of armed men chasing people through the streets of a city is normal, acceptable behavior."

That would not even be a point if it was what happened.
Asking questions, i guess, is unacceptable if you have a gun right?

#32 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-05-30 03:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

i do not live my life in constant fear of incredibly small chances of something happening to me. Think what will happen if your phobia spreads to other things.
#23 | Posted by salamandagator

Um...he'll get a gun?

#33 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2014-05-30 03:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

Seems like guns nuts and feminists extremists are acting increasingly alike.

#35 | Posted by Tor at 2014-05-30 05:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

This video has gone viral, with almost 30,000 views in just hours, It could well be millions in a short time, folks here and around the world will learn how people, are treated in the hell-hole Texas, I am sure that a lot of them will decide NOT to visit Texas or let their kids travel there. This is not good for the tourist starved Texas. The folks in Texas have already sent the message to gay folks, and people of collar that they don't want their tourist dollars.

#36 | Posted by SammyAZ_RI at 2014-05-30 07:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

If they were only peacefully protesting, why did they object to being filmed in the first place? The paranoia is nonsensical.

#37 | Posted by Sully at 2014-05-30 07:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

.... Mother Jones Yet Again Proves It's a Willing "SHILL" for the Fascist Obama Regime!

**** How many Innocent People did any "Open Carry Demonstrators" Threaten,Wound or Kill...COMPARED to Federal,State and City Police Forces?

#38 | Posted by AntiCadillac at 2014-05-30 09:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

If they were only peacefully protesting, why did they object to being filmed in the first place? The paranoia is nonsensical.

#37 | POSTED BY SULLY AT 2014-05-30 07:43 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

The ----- babies think their playing pretend army should be a private affair out in the public.

Usually when you expose a bully for what they are, they get all upset.

#39 | Posted by 726 at 2014-05-30 09:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

how people, are treated in the hell-hole Texas

Given your unsourced commentary on the illegal children immigrant thread about "gun nuts" shooting water bottles, pardon me if I dismiss your opinion based on the actions of a few, out of about 25 million people, at one intersection in one city in a state that encompasses about 268,820 sq. miles. In other words, you're full of s***.

#40 | Posted by et_al at 2014-05-30 09:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

how people, are treated in the hell-hole Texas, I am sure that a lot of them will decide NOT to visit Texas or let their kids travel there

Oh. dear. I'm shattered.

that would be awful. Please say it's not true, sammie!

Do you think the word will get out by spring break next year? I hope so, sammy. Your word is so important to Texans.

LOL

#41 | Posted by goatman at 2014-05-30 09:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

pardon me if I dismiss your opinion based on the actions of a few, out of about 25 million people, at one intersection in one city in a state that encompasses about 268,820 sq. miles.

It's what stupid people do

#42 | Posted by goatman at 2014-05-30 10:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

#42

Curiously, for one stupid Texan there seems to be 49 as stupid or worse.

BTW, remember the jelly candy JOTS? Perhaps a new acronym, Jealous Of Texas Syndrome, jelly brain, for those incapable of not spewing their ignorance of all things Texas.

#43 | Posted by et_al at 2014-05-30 10:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

Edit; ...49

    from other states
as...

#44 | Posted by et_al at 2014-05-30 10:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

I can't believe Texas didn't have an open carry already. I thought they were a free state like us in AZ.

#45 | Posted by willowby at 2014-05-31 12:17 AM | Reply | Flag:

They dont understand. That open carry can be modified to include hand guns only if they keep this up.

#46 | Posted by tmaster at 2014-05-31 02:19 AM | Reply | Flag:

It will take these public displays of "open carry" to alert the public as to how their politicians have sold them out. If enough of the voting public is distressed by the displays, they will vote out the politicians that voted in "open carry".

#47 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2014-05-31 06:24 AM | Reply | Flag:

And yet if the open carry crowd had donned suits and ties and flown drones overhead with EOs to kill American Citizens suspected of being terrorists on sight, on US soil, no trial or due process, entemologists could take the opportunity to record the farts of crickets and ladybugs.

#48 | Posted by aescal at 2014-05-31 08:58 AM | Reply | Flag:

Last words on the video,"We're just out here demonstrating our rights."

A person has the right to scratch his backside in public but is does not mean he should do it.

The need to grow up.

#49 | Posted by SLBronkowitz at 2014-05-31 09:16 AM | Reply | Flag:

I'm all for gun rights, but this stuff isn't helping.

#50 | Posted by sames1 at 2014-05-31 02:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

#1....Some are obviously gullible enough to believe that such events are never false flag setups, where provocateurs are used to purposely move public opinion against the issue or demonstrators (be they OWS or opponents against war, or globalism etc) by adding an element of violence just as was done. It has become standard procedure to manipulate the masses using such deception. The masters of deception (typically ex-Commies working to eliminate rights of the people using some element of political correctness) are very good at it. Perhaps this was a setup from start to finish and a concocted video.

#51 | Posted by Robson at 2014-05-31 02:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

Some are obviously gullible enough to believe that such events are never false flag setups ...

Calling everything a false flag operation is another form of gullibility.

#52 | Posted by rcade at 2014-05-31 02:28 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

There's an incredibly small chance you'll ever need a gun either, but that doesn't stop you from thinking you need one at your hip all day long like Wyatt Earp.

That's a good point. If they want to pretend it's the wild west again, they should put on a single-action revolver in a holster, check them at the door when asked, respect those that choose not to carry, and STFU. This is the United States, not Pakistan.

#53 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2014-05-31 02:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

There's an incredibly small chance you'll ever need a gun either, but that doesn't stop you from thinking you need one at your hip all day long like Wyatt Earp.

I can say the same about the fire extinguishers and smoke detectors I have stashed about my house. I don't think I am more than 5 seconds away from a fire extinguisher from any point in my house, though it's a small chance I'll ever need one.

#54 | Posted by goatman at 2014-05-31 02:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

I gave #51 a False flag.

#55 | Posted by Corky at 2014-05-31 03:33 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

I watched and listened to the video and the reporter sounded much more dorkish and absurd than did those he intended to trash.

#56 | Posted by Robson at 2014-05-31 06:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

The point is this, the marine was not being provocative. He was out filming a "Public Demonstration." If these demonstrators are opposed to having their pictures taken when they are walking around in public as a group with rifles strapped to their backs, the solution is very simple. DON'T WALK AROUND IN PUBLIC WITH AN F'N RIFLE STRAPPED TO YOUR BACK! These ------ don't have the strength of their convictions. Instead, they bully somebody trying to take legally pictures of their public demonstration. Aren't public demonstrations intended to get attention and educate the public about some issue? So, having their picture taken seems to be the point of their little show. Why did they feel the need to bully this guy who was doing something that they appear to want?

Oh, that's right, because the ammosexuals think they're special. Idiots like this are hurting the gun fondling cause far worse than any anti-gun group could. The majority of Americans don't own guns, and don't carry guns. The percentage of non-gun households has been steadily rising over the past 30 or so years. Just like the Republican Party, it appears time is not on the ammosexual's side. Change is hard, I know, but it's coming in many aspects of American society, and that's a good thing.

#57 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2014-05-31 08:06 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"The majority of Americans don't own guns, and don't carry guns. The percentage of non-gun households has been steadily rising over the past 30 or so years."

Sorry, but your assumption is based upon a NYC state of mind, where urbanite puppets know only how to drink kool aid of the the Democratic Party and conclude that living in 800 sq ft brownstone 4 story walk up in the middle of a city is utopia.

Many Americans live in non-urban environment. They have gardens and they have privacy. They have a different and self sufficient culture other than what the big city folk believe is normal. Most are even armed as a way of life.

#58 | Posted by Robson at 2014-05-31 10:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

#10 | Posted by Zed
"If this guy had been chased by men wearing toasters, it would be bad enough."

Actually, that would be far more frightening.

#59 | Posted by TheTom at 2014-05-31 10:46 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

-armed as a way of life.

Not much of one.

#60 | Posted by Corky at 2014-05-31 11:29 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

The point is this, the marine was not being provocative.

A matter of opinion.

The majority of Americans don't own guns, and don't carry guns. The percentage of non-gun households has been steadily rising over the past 30 or so years.

So, the Second Amendment is self correcting? Those with a choice choose not. Why are more restrictive laws necessary if the preferred choice is not to own a firearm?

#62 | Posted by et_al at 2014-06-01 02:24 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Look at you, pretending that a group of armed men chasing people through the streets of a city is normal, acceptable behavior."

"The point is this, the marine was not being provocative. He was out filming a "Public Demonstration." "

From my understanding, the marine/cameraman used obscenities against the demonstrators first (which he admitted & regretted) as he was offended by the show of weapons in a peaceful neighborhood. That started the confrontation, and the demonstrators took the cussing & the camera as hostilities, and became hostile themselves. The marine wasn't filming for a documentary or news program, he was filming (and ostracizing) to provoke.

This was just a redneck hoedown that got rowdy, is what it was.

#63 | Posted by kenx at 2014-06-01 05:31 AM | Reply | Flag:

This was just a redneck hoedown that got rowdy, is what it was.

#63 | Posted by kenx at 2014

It was all just as rednecked as rednecked could be. The weapons gave it an added dimension. To the extent there were rednecks, there were rednecks itching to shoot something.

#64 | Posted by Zed at 2014-06-01 07:45 AM | Reply | Flag:

Et_Al, perhaps the 2nd Amendment is self-correcting. The problem is that those who are choosing to be pro-gun are getting more and more concerning to those who choose not to have guns. Guys like these open carry bullies; the ------ who keep shooting up innocent people at school, churches, museums; and morons like Zimmerman who needs a gun in his hand to feel like a big man.

Most concerning of all is the worship of the right for the NRA, an organization that flatly refuses even the most reasonable gun legislation that is supported by the vast majority of Americans, including the majority of NRA members. The NRA has truly become about nothing more than gun sales. At one time maybe they were more about safety, etc., but now they're just evil. I think it was Charley Pierce in Esquire who wrote that the NRA opposes every possible way to keep "bad guys" from getting guns so that they can continue to play on people's paranoia in order to sell guns to "good guys."

#65 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2014-06-01 08:17 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Why are more restrictive laws necessary if the preferred choice is not to own a firearm?"

Because the percentage of crazy people within the gun owning crowd increases at the exact ration of sane people deciding they don't need to own a gun. Eventually it will be such a high percentage that the nation will want to take guns away from everyone, wouldn't it be smarter for gun owners to allow laws that could prevent the crazies from polluting the gun owning group. I have a sneaking suspicion that the assault weapon carrying rubes in the video would be eliminated if they had to pass any psych evaluation. No normal person parades around with a rifle strapped to their back just for fun.

#66 | Posted by danni at 2014-06-01 09:21 AM | Reply | Flag:

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