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Peter Beinart: The debate between President Obama and his hawkish critics comes down to this. Obama is -- as he said yesterday at West Point -- "haunted" by the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. His hawkish critics are haunted by the fact that he's haunted. ... For Obama, Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan reveal a recurring pattern of American hubris. Obama's model is clear: End costly, unwinnable wars, don't start new ones, and rebuild the economic foundation of American power. It's no surprise that at West Point, Obama yet again quoted Dwight Eisenhower.

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Like Obama, Eisenhower spent much of his presidency arguing against critics who claimed that the United States needed to spend more on defense, or intervene more militarily, because America's enemies were gaining ground. Ike never believed that.

At West Point, Obama said he would not be pushed. Ike would be proud.

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#1 | Posted by Corky at 2014-05-29 12:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

LOL, Obama never saw what Ike saw, to even compare the two is a disservice to Ike.

"Obama's model is clear: End costly, unwinnable wars, don't start new ones, and rebuild the economic foundation of American power." - FTA

Was this in 2008?

When is he going to work on his model? I don't see much change in the way the government is run.

Barking out "red line", it could have lead us to war.

I read only 25% of the graduates even stood up for the President. I also read the President got rid of another general. The GDP was down as well. But I suppose all of this is Bush's fault.

good luck with your spin today Corky, hope you make the front page.

#2 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-05-29 12:16 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 4

#2

Hard to comment on an article not read, one supposes.

#3 | Posted by Corky at 2014-05-29 12:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

Even friendly outlets (which is pretty much all of the MSM) are blasting Obama's speech.

I found it to be disturbing on many levels. But what I found to be most disturbing was that it was a political speech. At a graduation commencement. That hardly seems like an appropriate venue for a president to engage in self-promotion.

#4 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-05-29 12:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

That hardly seems like an appropriate venue for a president to engage in self-promotion.

It's all about him, don't you know?

#5 | Posted by goatman at 2014-05-29 12:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

#4 Why would be disturbed. Everything Obama does is political. The guy just came out after 6 years in office and tried and I mean that term loosely to explain his foreign policy? He's told us his foreign policy. Be more flexible with Putin. Draw a red line with and then let Assad cross it. Lead from behind in Lybia. His one defining moment was having to sleep on a decision to get bin laden. Here's a hint. Killing bin laden is not foreign policy. Face it. We are going to have a president that has done nothing but politics for 8 years.

#6 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-05-29 01:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

Oh and Michell #bring back our girls isn't foreign policy either.

#7 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-05-29 01:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

Narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) is a personality disorder[1] in which a person is excessively preoccupied with personal adequacy, power, prestige and vanity, mentally unable to see the destructive damage they are causing to themselves and to others in the process. --Wikipedia

#8 | Posted by path at 2014-05-29 01:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

Anyone notice so many of the presidents that Obama keeps comparing himself to are Republicans or war-time Democrats? Reagan, Ike, Lincoln, Roosevelt.... I wonder why he hasn't compared himself to Carter, or Wilson, or LBJ (whom he most closely resembles)?

LBJ (from Wikipedia):

he was responsible for designing the "Great Society" legislation that included laws that upheld civil rights, public broadcasting, Medicare, Medicaid, environmental protection, aid to education, aid to the arts, urban and rural development, and his "War on Poverty." Assisted in part by a growing economy, the War on Poverty helped millions of Americans rise above the poverty line during Johnson's presidency. Civil rights bills signed by Johnson banned racial discrimination in public facilities, interstate commerce, the workplace, and housing, and a powerful voting rights act guaranteed full voting rights for citizens of all races. With the passage of the sweeping Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965, the country's immigration system was reformed and all national origins quotas were removed. Johnson was renowned for his domineering personality and the "Johnson treatment," his coercion of powerful politicians in order to advance legislation.

Meanwhile, Johnson escalated American involvement in the Vietnam War. In 1964, Congress passed the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, which essentially gave Johnson the power to use any degree of military force in Southeast Asia without having to ask for an official declaration of war. The number of American military personnel in Vietnam increased dramatically, from 16,000 advisors in non-combat roles in 1963, to 550,000 with many in combat roles in early 1968.

Pro-social programs, pro-immigration reform, pro-minority causes, pro-surge....

#9 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-05-29 01:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

Obama, echoing Eisenhower, is haunted by war and skeptical of heroic foreign policy.

But he will keep shoveling money as fast as they can print it into the incinerator known as the defense industry.

How very Eisenhower like.

#10 | Posted by 726 at 2014-05-29 01:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

"For Obama, by contrast, Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan are not aberrations. They reveal a recurring pattern of American hubris. "Since World War II," he told the cadets, "some of our most costly mistakes came not from our restraint but from our willingness to rush into military adventures without thinking through the consequences."

For Obama, that hubris stems from an excessive fear of America's enemies, who America can generally defeat by building alliances and harnessing our democratic legitimacy and economic strength, as the United States is doing in Ukraine. And it stems from an excessive faith in war, which once unleashed often spirals out of America's control.

It's no surprise that at West Point, Obama yet again quoted Dwight Eisenhower. Like Obama, Eisenhower spent much of his presidency arguing against critics who claimed that the United States needed to spend more on defense, or intervene more militarily, because America's enemies were gaining ground.

Ike never believed that. He worried less that the Soviet Union would vanquish the U.S. militarily than that it would provoke an overreaction that bankrupted America economically. The Soviets, he argued, "have hoped to force upon America and the free world an unbearable security burden leading to economic disaster."

For our non-reading friends.

#11 | Posted by Corky at 2014-05-29 01:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

For our non-reading friends.

#11 | POSTED BY CORKY

???

Why not post an audio clip for our deaf friends as well?

#12 | Posted by goatman at 2014-05-29 01:22 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 2

"I found it to be disturbing on many levels. "

Talk about narcissism.

You dweebs prattle on all day every day about stuff you know absolutely nothing about with such ignorant assuredly ---- anonymously on the internet.

I think before you can pretend to be the president --- you first should pretend to have a life.

#13 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2014-05-29 02:06 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

#13 Fortunately what you think doesn't matter either.

#14 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-05-29 02:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

I almost forgot another great foreign policy decision. When Obama and Hillary decided to provide air support for jihadist in Lybia.

#15 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-05-29 02:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

#14 Don't feed the troll

#16 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-05-29 02:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

Actually, there is a long tradition of POTUS's making important political speeches at University commencements. One can criticize Obama's speech on many levels, but it was not an improper venue for the speech.

#17 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-05-29 05:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

One can criticize Obama's speech on many levels, but it was not an improper venue for the speech.

Oh.

I thought graduation was about the graduates, not the keynote speaker.

My bad

#18 | Posted by goatman at 2014-05-29 05:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

Nope. Not when it comes to Presidents. Never has been. In fact most speakers spend a good chunk of any commencement speech talking about issues that go far beyond the graduates in from of them. I remember at my graduation Walter Cronkite pontificated about the 4 Riders Of The Apocalypse of the modern world.

#19 | Posted by BradfordWinston at 2014-05-29 05:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

Actually, there is a long tradition of POTUS's making important political speeches at University commencements. One can criticize Obama's speech on many levels, but it was not an improper venue for the speech.

#17 | POSTED BY MODER8

I wasn't aware of that.

#20 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-05-29 05:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yep. LBJ announced The Great Society program at a commencement speech.

#21 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-05-29 06:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

The speaker at my HS graduation was Colonel Sam Johnson who had recently been released as a POW in Vietnam for 7 years. He was also my next door neighbor (well, his family most of that time since he was a POW). He ran for congress and is still the US Rep for the 3rd Congressional district in Texas.

Thankfully, he didn't talk politics.

#22 | Posted by goatman at 2014-05-29 06:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

Obama has almost nothing in common with Eisenhower.

Eisenhower built the roads that obama refuses to maintain.

Eisenhower was a warrior; Obama is not.

Eisenhower warned against the military industrial complex; Obama does its bidding.

Eisenhower started much of the national security apparatus that Bush expanded upon, Obama has expanded it more.

Eisenhower built schools; Obama = teach to test garbage.

Eisenhower was a mass murders, Obama somewhat less so due to Clinton/Bush doing much of it for him.

Eisenhower was well known for ignoring Wall St. often, Obama = Geitner.

On and on. Just about the only time the two should be mentioned in the same sentence is as an antonym.

Next up for the black shirts: Obama = Roosevelt.

#23 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-05-29 06:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

How naive do you have to be to think the President isn't going to give a political speech?

(Don't bother answering that. It's just a rhetorical question designed to reveal for your the babes in the political woods you are.)

#24 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-05-29 06:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

Eisenhower built the roads that obama refuses to maintain.

You should get out more. The 2009 ARRA has improved a lot of roads.

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-05-29 06:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

N.B to #22: Sam Johnsons is a decent and humble man who understood that the ceremony was about the graduates and not about his political career.

#26 | Posted by goatman at 2014-05-29 06:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

-black shirts

What a disgusting thing to say... oh well, consider the source.

#27 | Posted by Corky at 2014-05-29 07:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

How jaded do you have to be in order to vote for people who lie to you constantly?

Don't bother answering that. It's just a rhetorical question designed to reveal to others just how hopeless you are.

#28 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-05-30 12:59 AM | Reply | Flag:

You should get out more. See all the roads that are still broken.

#29 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-05-30 01:01 AM | Reply | Flag:

You should get out more. See all the roads that are still broken.

#29 | POSTED BY SHAWN

I have. I drive a lot.

#30 | Posted by goatman at 2014-05-30 01:04 AM | Reply | Flag:

You should get out more. See all the roads that are still broken.

#29 | POSTED BY SHAWN

I live in Michigan, Shawn.

I know all about broken roads. In fact, I know them better than pretty much any non-Michigan resident.

#31 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-05-30 01:08 AM | Reply | Flag:

Obama is -- as he said yesterday at West Point -- "haunted" by the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. His hawkish critics are haunted by the fact that he's haunted. ... For Obama, Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan reveal a recurring pattern of American hubris. Obama's model is clear: End costly, unwinnable wars, don't start new ones, and rebuild the economic foundation of American power.

Is this the same Obama that's trying to fuel a civil war in Syria?

I feel so bad for him. Feeling "haunted" and all.

Hopefully all that money he's getting from lobbyists, special interests, and Wall Street will help him sleep better at night.

#32 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-05-30 01:19 AM | Reply | Flag:

The fifties called -- they want their foreign policy back.

#33 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-05-30 02:57 AM | Reply | Flag:

"At West Point, Obama said he would not be pushed. Ike would be proud"

little o has the talkin part down but the action is long gone.

#34 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-05-30 10:05 AM | Reply | Flag:

I think before you can pretend to be the president --- you first should pretend to have a life.

#13 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses

You mean like the pretend president we have now? We know NOTHING about his life befor politics. What did he pretend to be then?

Didn't I see you in Lodgegrass yesterday? Rca, that is a real town, not a racial slur so don't go off the deep end.

#35 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-05-30 10:13 AM | Reply | Flag:

Yep. LBJ announced The Great Society program at a commencement speech.

#21 | Posted by moder8

The program that shot down our economy.

#36 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-05-30 07:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

You should get out more. The 2009 ARRA has improved a lot of roads.

#25 | Posted by snoofy

Not out west.

#37 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-05-30 07:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

#2 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

LOL...now, you KNOW Corky is gonna energetically defend anything and everything Barackus Maximus says or does. As everyone else starts seeing him for what he is, Corky will be the last man standing.

#38 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-05-31 12:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

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