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Monday, May 26, 2014

Scientists are vigorously debating the value of killing animals as "voucher specimens" of new or threatened species. "Cases such as the extinction of the great auk remind us what is at stake in taking animals from small and declining populations," writes Arizona State University environmental ethicist Ben Minteer with three co-authors in the current Science. The great auk was a flightless, penguinlike bird that dwelled in the North Atlantic until human activities, including collection for museums and universities, drove it to extinction in the 19th century. "Cultural traditions within a research community can reinforce the collection of voucher specimens even where it is not necessary," they write.

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They should ask permission before taking anything. It doesn't matter what oil companies do, we're not supposed to measure ourselves against the lowest example we can find.

#1 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2014-05-26 10:43 AM | Reply | Flag:

Why don't they just freeze DNA samples for availability when technology allows us to clone them or study them more closely from the samples?

#2 | Posted by goatman at 2014-05-26 11:12 AM | Reply | Flag:

They should stop putting giant radio collars on endangered animals too.

#3 | Posted by Sully at 2014-05-26 11:54 AM | Reply | Flag:

Why don't they just freeze DNA samples for availability when technology allows us to clone them or study them more closely from the samples?

#2 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2014-05-26 11:12 AM | FLAG:

Electricity is hard to come by in remote places.

#4 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2014-05-26 02:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

Electricity is hard to come by in remote places.

So bring the sample back to an industrialized nation.

#5 | Posted by goatman at 2014-05-26 02:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

headline read like it was from Pelosi..

There are several ways to manage animals that ordinary people don't always understand.

#6 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-05-26 03:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

Why don't they just freeze DNA samples for availability when technology allows us to clone them or study them more closely from the samples?

You might have to kill or capture the animal to do this.

Technical note: You can get DNA without freezing or use of centrifugation. Just denature all of the proteins. Try DNAzol.

#7 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2014-05-26 06:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

#6 | POSTED BY AFKABL2 AT 2014-05-26 03:37 PM | FLAG:

har har.

#8 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2014-05-26 06:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

You might have to kill or capture the animal to do this.

Sure, you might have to capture it. So? Release it after you have your sample. You certainly don't have to kill it. You probably don't even have to capture it. Find one of its feathers or hairs from its nest or feeding place or even a pile of its dung which will be full of sloughed off cells from the critter.

#9 | Posted by goatman at 2014-05-26 06:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

In a perfect world Goat, but this is not a perfect world. What if it's a beetle? What if it dies from you touching it? What if you puncture it and it gets an infection? What if you destroy it's home when you get it? Dung is no good. It will have many different genomes in it. The feathers and hairs are dead unless you get the root.

#10 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2014-05-26 07:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

In a perfect world Goat, but this is not a perfect world. What if it's a beetle? What if it dies from you touching it?

Then it was on the verge of extinction anyway. BFD

#11 | Posted by goatman at 2014-05-26 10:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

#6 | POSTED BY AFKABL2 AT 2014-05-26 03:37 PM | FLAG:

har har.

#8 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2014-0

what I meant was people who sit and suck down lattes don't understand why sometimes herds have to be cleaned out to save them such as deer and other animals.

#12 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-05-27 12:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

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