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Friday, May 23, 2014

Pakistan has become the first foreign country to use China based GPS system made by BeiDou.

Chinese-GPS can provide positioning with accuracy of up to two centimeters and the accuracy can extend up to five millimeters after post-processing.

In times of war, we can't depend on American GPS for our smart weapons and cruise missiles.

And in times of peace, this is far more useful because of it's unmatched accuracy and stronger signal compared to older American GPS.

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Now I'll have to get a newer Chinese Android phone than the Pakistani one I have that can't get a GPS signal while indoors (nobody can).

But the Chinese GPS signal is far stronger and will work indoors too (within reason).

#1 | Posted by Rigel at 2014-05-23 05:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

Pakistan first customer.

Is that what your new BFF told you in the sales pitch? Did the also give you the big big first customer discount?

Pakistan is set to become the fifth Asian country to use China's domestic satellite navigation system, which was launched as a rival to the US sat nav system....Thailand, China, Laos and Brunei already use the Chinese system, which currently consists of 16 operational satellites, with 30 more due to join the system, according to English-language China Daily.

In times of war, we can't depend on American GPS for our smart weapons and cruise missiles.

LOL

Like the US global positioning system (GPS), the Beidou system can be shut down or fed with false data in times of national security.

Hope you have fun with your new BFF. I am sure they will never do you wrong. Maybe soon they can start sending you your welfare checks instead of us?

#2 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-05-23 06:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

^....oops...forgot my link

news.sky.com

#3 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-05-23 06:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

Pakistan is set to become the fifth Asian country to use China's domestic satellite navigation system, which was launched as a rival to the US sat nav system....Thailand, China, Laos and Brunei already use the Chinese system

Lie much?

Pakistan is the FIRST customer of this system.

This is Beidou-2 and only came online a year ago.

The other countries are using Beidou-1... which has nothing in common with this system. Or they were using Beidou-2 on a free trial basis.

That free trial has now ended or will end soon as it's commercial phase is now operational.

Pakistan is the first customer, sorry if that bugs you. LOL

But what does it matter? What matters is, that we have dumped the obsolete American tech. And good riddance to that.

#4 | Posted by Rigel at 2014-05-23 06:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

From Wiki:

There are two levels of service provided; a free service to civilians and licensed service to the Chinese government and military.

The free civilian service has a 10-meter location-tracking accuracy, synchronizes clocks with an accuracy of 10 nanoseconds, and measures speeds to within 0.2 m/s. The restricted military service has a location accuracy of 10 centimetres, can be used for communication, and will supply information about the system status to the user.

To date, the military service has been granted only to the People's Liberation Army and to the Military of Pakistan.

Again... Pakistan is the FIRST customer. LOL

#5 | Posted by Rigel at 2014-05-23 06:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

Difference between Beidou-1 and Beidou-2.
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BeiDou-2 (formerly known as COMPASS) is not an extension to the older BeiDou-1, but rather supersedes it outright.

The new system will be a constellation of 35 satellites, which include 5 geostationary orbit satellites for backward compatibility with BeiDou-1, and 30 non-geostationary satellites (27 in medium earth orbit and 3 in inclined geosynchronous orbit), that will offer complete coverage of the globe.
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Again, Pakistan is FIRST customer. LOL

Oh dear.

#6 | Posted by Rigel at 2014-05-23 06:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

And yes, please notice, DonnerBoy, I can read you. I made the change 2 weeks ago.

#7 | Posted by Rigel at 2014-05-23 06:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

your new BFF

Actually China is 3000 year old BFF....

the Beidou system can be shut down or fed with false data in times of national security.

If.. one day... Gawd forbid... we put a hole in an American aircraft carrier (I have posted pics of the weapon that does that), do you thing China will shut off it's system? LOL

Hell no.

When it comes to military matters, Pak and China are always on the same page (always).

If you have friendly relations with Chinese military, you will have the same with ours.

No holes in carriers. LOL

#8 | Posted by Rigel at 2014-05-23 06:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

Maybe soon they can start sending you your welfare checks instead of us?

Doubt it.

America now survives on Chinese money and can't get rid of it's drug habit. Case closed.

#9 | Posted by Rigel at 2014-05-23 06:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

I just can't believe you're not ashamed that your country bought this junk.

#10 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2014-05-23 07:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Chinese-GPS can provide positioning with accuracy of up to two centimeters and the accuracy can extend up to five millimeters after post-processing."

The restricted military signal can.... not the free one, its 10M. Worse than American GPS.

good luck with that...

#11 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-05-23 09:55 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Worse than American GPS.

Nope. It's just starting.

As more satellites are added, it'll give better resolution even to civilians.

However that doesn't matter. 10 meters is good enough for me. It's slightly better than the 15 meters I get with Assisted GPS.

What matters is the military use. It can't be shut off on a whim.

#12 | Posted by Rigel at 2014-05-24 01:31 AM | Reply | Flag:

I just can't believe you're not ashamed that your country bought this junk.

Believe it.

And as for being ashamed.... why? It's something we can finally control on a strategic level.

We have been using Chinese satellites since many decades now for secure communications and "remote sensing" without any glitches.

I am pretty sure Chinese space tech... both manned and unmanned... is superior.. or will be superior... to anything American, that more often than not, blows up on re-entry.

#13 | Posted by Rigel at 2014-05-24 01:48 AM | Reply | Flag:

not the free one, its 10M. Worse than American GPS.

From the article....

Shen Jun added that the second stage of the network will cover up the whole area of Pakistan and will be the first national high precision navigation network abroad.

For people who matter (not just the military) the 5 millimeter resolution will be available.... unlike the signal from American GPS.

It seems China is making everything American obsolete.. one by one. LOL

#14 | Posted by Rigel at 2014-05-24 01:59 AM | Reply | Flag:

gee, what's next, freedom and democracy?

#15 | Posted by ichiro at 2014-05-24 03:18 AM | Reply | Flag:

It's something we can finally control on a strategic level.

I didn't know you were Chinese?

#16 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2014-05-24 04:39 AM | Reply | Flag:

I didn't know you were Chinese?

I'm not.

#17 | Posted by Rigel at 2014-05-24 05:07 AM | Reply | Flag:

Why does Rigel make Pakistan sound like a Remora? ( you know, those sucker fish that cling to a shark for it's table scraps)

#18 | Posted by 503jc69 at 2014-05-24 09:16 AM | Reply | Flag:

Now, if they could figure out how to make dog treats.......

#19 | Posted by soulfly at 2014-05-24 12:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

Why does Rigel make Pakistan sound like a Remora?

Just like Israel, no? LOL

#20 | Posted by Rigel at 2014-05-24 01:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

And of course we could trust the Chinese with all of these positioning and business and photographic data. No thanks, but good luck to Pakistan. Oh wait, there's nothing in Pakistan that anyone would want anyway. When Japan or South Korea is on board, THEN let's see what happens.

#21 | Posted by e1g1 at 2014-05-25 06:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

So when all of Pakistan is on Chinese GPS and China reprograms their system then invades the country as all the Pakistani troops are marching in circles, will they still be your BFF?

#22 | Posted by path at 2014-05-26 07:47 AM | Reply | Flag:

And in times of peace, this is far more useful because of it's unmatched accuracy and stronger signal compared to older American GPS.

My GPS is accurate to within a few feet. It's great to know that I can now be accurate to two centimeters. No more worries about getting lost now!

In times of war, we can't depend on American GPS for our smart weapons and cruise missiles.

Your smart weapons ain't too smart if they aren't effective a couple of feet from the target. What are they -- bottle rockets?

#23 | Posted by goatman at 2014-05-26 08:33 AM | Reply | Flag:

"I am pretty sure Chinese space tech... both manned and unmanned... is superior.. or will be superior... to anything American,"

What a laughable sentence.

#24 | Posted by danni at 2014-05-26 09:42 AM | Reply | Flag:

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