Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Friday, May 23, 2014

Rep. Luis Gutierrez (D-Illinois): Last week, Tom Donahue, the President of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, said that if House Republicans fail to pass an immigration reform bill this year, the Republican Party "shouldn't bother to run a candidate in 2016." Even with a majority of Republican voters supporting immigration reform and a majority of Tea Party voters in support, the positions Republican candidates feel they must take in order to win over their base make them unelectable when they face the American people in the general election. Latino voters are repelled and the loud but small contingent of immigration opponents have backed the Republican Party into a corner they do not have the courage to break out of. So, Mr. Speaker, I give you George W. Bush, the man who will go down as the last Republican President in American history.

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"Today, Tuesday, 2,000 Latino citizens born and raised in the United States will turn 18 and become eligible to vote.

That is 2,000 today and every day until Election Day 2016 and for the next two or three decades, at least. That's 65,000 citizens a month, with or without immigration reform.

Throw in women, younger voters, Asian voters and others who are strongly in favor of immigration reform and the Republican Party has dug quite a hole for themselves by standing with Steve King.

Two million more Latinos voted in 2008 than in 2004 and tilted heavily to the Democrats after the Sensenbrenner bill, a Republican enforcement-only bill that criminalized immigrant families.

Two million more Latinos voted in 2012 than in 2008 and tilted even farther to my side because of Romney's message."

#1 | Posted by Corky at 2014-05-22 01:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

After Republican presidents become extinct, we'll rediscover the Passenger Pigeon. This is much more than a fair trade.

#2 | Posted by Zed at 2014-05-22 01:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Bush Will Be "Last Republican President In American History""

Now that is going out on a high note if ever I've seen it.

#3 | Posted by 726 at 2014-05-22 01:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

At least till the money runs out, but then it will be too late. I have to admit, repubs have done a fine job at shooting themselves in the foot..er.. head.

#4 | Posted by Daniel at 2014-05-22 01:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

Only if African Americans, legal immigrants and poor whites never figure out that immigration reform is just a way to keep wages low for unskilled labor. Democrats want the votes and Republicans want the cheap labor.

#5 | Posted by visitor_ at 2014-05-22 02:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

#5

"Even with a majority of Republican voters supporting immigration reform and a majority of Tea Party voters in support, the positions Republican candidates feel they must take in order to win over their base make them unelectable when they face the American people in the general election."

The rwing base has other issues... race being among them.

#6 | Posted by Corky at 2014-05-22 02:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

" immigration reform is just a way to keep wages low for unskilled labor. Democrats want the votes and Republicans want the cheap labor. "

It would appear that way.

#7 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-05-22 02:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

Bush Will Be "Last Republican President In American History"

And then Obama was elected.

And people were fooled into believing there was a difference.

God bless the illusion of choice!

#8 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-05-22 02:50 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

there are several demographic groups that hurt the GOP in the presidential election. It's not going to change for a while either.

And that's not a bad thing because it's a issue with voters....not money, which is refreshing.

#9 | Posted by eberly at 2014-05-22 02:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

#8

Anyone who can't see the differences on immigration, money in politics, Sc justices, the environment... is purposely squeezing their eyes shut real tight.

www.drudge.com

#10 | Posted by Corky at 2014-05-22 02:54 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

It would appear that way.... to most libertarians.

#11 | Posted by Corky at 2014-05-22 02:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

It does not matter to those who really run the economy the upper part of the 1 percenters are treated the same by the Dems and the repubs.
no matter what party are in office the super rich gets richer and the good jobs get sent over sea's and real wages decrease in value

#12 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2014-05-22 11:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

" if House Republicans fail to pass an immigration reform bill this year, the Republican Party "shouldn't bother to run a candidate in 2016."

Interesting concept that we've never had to face before.

I wonder if that's even addressed in the Constitution.

#13 | Posted by Twinpac at 2014-05-23 06:58 AM | Reply | Flag:

"" if House Republicans fail to pass an immigration reform bill this year, the Republican Party "shouldn't bother to run a candidate in 2016."

Interesting concept that we've never had to face before.

I wonder if that's even addressed in the Constitution.

Border protection is addressed in the Constitution. Since it's not being done the Democrat party shouldn't bother to run a candidate in 2016.

#14 | Posted by goatman at 2014-05-23 07:14 AM | Reply | Flag:

Apparently there is a precedent for running for president unopposed. I had never given this any consideration until just now.

From Wiki ~

"The United States presidential election of 1820 was the 9th quadrennial presidential election. It was held from Wednesday, November 1 to Wednesday, December 6, 1820. It was the third and last presidential election in United States history in which a candidate ran effectively unopposed, although some votes were cast for the Federalists in New England (the previous two were the presidential elections of 1789 and 1792, in which George Washington ran without serious opposition). President James Monroe and Vice President Daniel D. Tompkins were re-elected without needing to run any type of rigorous campaign, capturing all but one Electoral vote. This was the last presidential election where the Federalist Party participated. They remained a party until 1829, but did not have sufficient support to nominate a major candidate. They were replaced by the Whig Party in 1833. The result of the election also was the last time three presidents would be elected to a second term consecutively until 192 years later."

#15 | Posted by Twinpac at 2014-05-23 07:30 AM | Reply | Flag:

Rep. Luis Gutierrez (D-Illinois): Last week, Tom Donahue, the President of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, said that if House Republicans fail to pass an immigration reform bill this year, the Republican Party "shouldn't bother to run a candidate in 2016." Posted by Corky

The racism among the Left is outrageous!!!

Making this a issue over race is very damaging to America.

I personally know 100's of first-generation immigrants who think this attempt by Democrats to pass an this immigration bill is stupid and unfair! They all went through the painful process of legal forms, paying fees and waiting and then this idiots in Washington want to pass a bill like this JUST TO GET VOTES from people who ARE EVEN ABLE TO VOTE!!!! Asinine!

#16 | Posted by LastAmerican at 2014-05-23 10:27 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

#16

You'll have to tell us when the US Chamber of Commerce became a Leftist institute. rofl!

#17 | Posted by Corky at 2014-05-23 10:37 AM | Reply | Flag:

Corky, This sentiment that the Republican Party is full of racist only serves to grow the Conservative movement out of anger that the Ruling Party is full of idiots! Thank you for being such a good supporter of the Republican Party.

#18 | Posted by LastAmerican at 2014-05-23 10:44 AM | Reply | Flag:

#16 I personally know 100's of first-generation immigrants

Quit ya lying.

#19 | Posted by 88120rob at 2014-05-23 10:46 AM | Reply | Flag:

I'm a RINO.

#20 | Posted by Corky at 2014-05-23 10:47 AM | Reply | Flag:

#16 I personally know 100's of first-generation immigrants

Quit ya lying.

#19 | Posted by 88120rob

Nope. I'm married into the first generation Iranian community of immigrants of the late 70's. I personally know at least 100.

Gives me very knowledgeable insight to this immigration bill. The Democrats are stupid and unfair.

#21 | Posted by LastAmerican at 2014-05-23 10:57 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Border protection is addressed in the Constitution. Since it's not being done the Democrat party shouldn't bother to run a candidate in 2016."
#14 | Posted by goatman

Again.. we all know there where no illegal Mexicans coming here under Bush... because as Goatman can tell us, like the debt... it all started in 2009

#22 | Posted by 503jc69 at 2014-05-23 11:05 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

Again.. we all know there where no illegal Mexicans coming here under Bush... because as Goatman can tell us, like the debt... it all started in 2009

#22 | POSTED BY 503JC69

???

How sad you have to lie and put words in my mouth. I never said illegal immigration or the debt started in 2009. Never.

Wouldn't it be better to just be honest and say, "I've got nothing"? You'd gain more respect with the truth than with a lie. Or just say nothing. You just keep giving me (and others, I'm sure) another reason to never believe what you say. There is no DR rule that says you have to respond to every post I put up, as compelling as that seems to be with some people.

BTW, is that another wolf you see, shepherd boy?

#23 | Posted by goatman at 2014-05-23 11:59 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

Jezzus H. Christmas - I WISH it was true that George Wussy Bush was the last - but such prognostications have historically been worth just exactly what we paid to read this one.

Nothing.

But Obama and the Democrats have gone so far right that they've passed Richard Nixon. Nixon, as you'll recall, backed and signed the establishment of the EPA; the Dems, these days, wouldn't even dream of doing anything like that.

Nixon opened up China using ping-pong diplomacy; the Dems wouldn't attempt that now; in fact, they are busy re-creating the USSR and the sleeping giant for the benefit of the defense establishment. (just as Eisenhower warned us about)

We don't need Republicans to drive our debt further down with useless military purchases - even now, Dems are blocking things the MILITARY wants to close or not purchase.

www.military.com

antiwar.com

The King is dead! Long live the King!

#24 | Posted by larry609 at 2014-05-23 12:18 PM | Reply | Flag:


Again.. we all know there where no illegal Mexicans coming here under Bush... because as Goatman can tell us, like the debt... it all started in 2009
#22 | Posted by 503jc69

This retort doesn't do anything good for Obama since nothing's been done. This just proves that the Obama Administration is no better than the Bush Administration when it comes to this topic.

#25 | Posted by LastAmerican at 2014-05-23 12:27 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

This retort doesn't do anything good for Obama since nothing's been done. This just proves that the Obama Administration is no better than the Bush Administration when it comes to this topic.

The proggies just don't get this point. Every time they pull out the "But, but, but Bush" excuse, they are admitting (as you say, LA) that 0bama is just as bad as Bush. Yet they still sing the zero's praises. LOL

#26 | Posted by goatman at 2014-05-23 12:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

Obama and Bush probably play golf together on Sundays... they are both 100% owned by special interests just like both parties have been my whole 45 years on this rock. Nobody is going to stop the illegals.

My problem is when republicans come here to somehow claim they can get anything right.
Wrecked the economy with bank de-regulations and an unfunded war of choice.
Sold our vote to the corporations who , because of republicans, are now considered people and can infest the election process even further.
Fighting tooth and nail to return to a health care system that excluded millions who actually needed the help, such as everybody with a pre- exsisting condition.
You add in the appearance of dislike towards gays, non-christians and anyone not white and there is really not much appeal to me.
I will admit... not all republicans are like this .
But lets be real... that is your base

The dems may not be much better, but they couldn't be any worse.

#27 | Posted by 503jc69 at 2014-05-23 01:01 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

#27

See this is the biggest problem republicans have to overcome. Not who they are but what the characterization of them has been. It is very unfortunate that the reality has been overcome by boogyman fears and essentially strawmen by the opposition on the left.
An honest look denies the accusations made in your comment but that does not mean anything when the left has pushed so hard to convince some that what exists goes beyond error or misinformation but the effects of propagating hatred toward those of differing opinions. This has grown exponentially in the last decade or so, and frankly that is shameful. But nevertheless the republicans have to find a way to actually inform the people to combat the misinformation that is out there and as of now no one will even listen, they do not care anyways.
While it is true that it does also go the other way somewhat, the measure is not nearly equal and the hate is not equal.

#28 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-05-23 01:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

ee this is the biggest problem republicans have to overcome. Not who they are but what the characterization of them has been. It is very unfortunate that the reality has been overcome by boogyman fears and essentially strawmen by the opposition on the left.

#28 | Posted by salamandagator

Too bad latinos know you're full of crap.

The most famous and respected american latino reporter asked John Boeher why he refused to bring immigration reform to a vote. You know what he responded? He said because Obama has been making adjustments to OBAMACARE, therefore republicans won't do anything on IMMIGRATION.

That reporter was baffled and enraged and shared that information with millions and millions of latino american voters.

Boehner's il-logic was that since obamacare is being changed, therefore it completely releases republicans from any obligation to do any governing on any thing, even if it's completely unrelated.

No one outside the tea party accepts that sort of reasoning, and there's not a lot of latino tea partiers...

#29 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-05-23 01:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

#29

That is exactly what i am talking about. Make stuff up that looks bad for republicans and it is taken as fact. Truth be damned if it does not fit with he political opinions of the left.

Now if you cared you would find that what he actually said was that there is no faith in Obama to carry out the reform because of the track record he has, the most recent failure in obamacare. In which what was passed was negated by many exemptions without consent of the house.
See a quick education and the talking point boogyman disappears when faced with reality.

#30 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-05-23 01:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

A big problem for the GOP is that many fair minded people have difficulty understanding the rightwing hostility towards the DREAM Act and other humane immigration reforms as anything other than racism against brown people. The GOP could do itself a big favor by at least supporting citizenship for people brought to the US at a young age and raised in America. But the GOP won't do that. Why? The only reason that jumps to mind is racism.

#31 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-05-23 01:45 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"The only reason that jumps to mind is racism."

If race is on the mind.

But think fairness. Why should one person be treated differently because their parents broke the law?
Why should they be treated differently then ones who had parents that abide by the law.
It is not punishing to treat people equal.
Not racism but fairness.

#32 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-05-23 01:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

Sal: It really seems that the only times the GOP is concerned with what they call "fairness" is when they can wield it as a weapon against people of color or different orientation. That is not lost on most people. And it turns off voters, especially young voters.

#33 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-05-23 01:55 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

That is exactly what i am talking about. Make stuff up that looks bad for republicans and it is taken as fact. Truth be damned if it does not fit with he political opinions of the left.

Now if you cared you would find that what he actually said was that there is no faith in Obama to carry out the reform because of the track record he has, the most recent failure in obamacare. In which what was passed was negated by many exemptions without consent of the house.
See a quick education and the talking point boogyman disappears when faced with reality.

#30 | Posted by salamandagator

There's no need to "make stuff up" to see that it's republicans who are blocking immigration reform. They have the power to move it forward, but they are blocking it because obama hurt their feelings with obamacare.

Your explanation does nothing to justify it, you simply rephrased it - and it STILL clearly a ridiculous connection to make. The ball is still in their court. Latinos know it. Boeher's statement says we're going to punish LATINOS for what obama has changed in obamacare. Yeah, that'll work out great in 2016.

Imagine if after the iraq debacle, dems had refused to close the medicare donut-hole. You think seniors would have accepted that excuse? "Well Bush lied about iraq, THEREFORE we can't fix your prescription drug program, get it?"

#34 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-05-23 02:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

Why is it so critical that the House republicans pass an immigration reform bill right now?

immigration has been a difficult issue to tackle due to politics and the slippery slope it presents for some time.

what's so special about now?

#35 | Posted by eberly at 2014-05-23 02:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

"It really seems"

Exactly, it seems, not it is but it seems because that is the way it is portrayed. But when they do push for fairness it is still considered racist or sexist or evil is some way or another because they are not the ones manipulating the minorities.
Say women should be treated no different then men, you are a sexist for not thinking they should be treated differently.
Speak of blacks the same way you do anyone else and you are racist for not giving them special consideration.

When equality becomes bigotry if a republican speaks of it there is obviously a problem with who is drawing that conclusion not with the words said.

#36 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-05-23 02:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

Sal, with all due respect, what the ---- are you babbling about?

#37 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-05-23 02:03 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

"They have the power to move it forward, but they are blocking it because obama hurt their feelings with obamacare."

Exactly what i said making stuff up. No one claimed that was the reason aside from you.
I explained what Bohner actually said but that does not matter, fantasy over reality.

This is what the reporter who actual asked the question had to say about it
"Boehner said Republicans don't trust President Obama to properly an enforce an immigration law they pass, citing multiple exemptions the president made to his signature healthcare law."

" you simply rephrased it - and it STILL clearly a ridiculous connection to make. The ball is still in their court. Latinos know it. Boeher's statement says we're going to punish LATINOS for what obama has changed in obamacare. Yeah, that'll work out great in 2016."

Patently untrue. The connection is perfectly valid.
However again your paraphrasing is invalid as it does not even come close as to what was actualy said.

You are just furthering my point, why bother with reality just make stuff up as long as it goes against republicans.

#38 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-05-23 02:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

#37

False assumption on your part.

#39 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-05-23 02:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

immigration has been a difficult issue to tackle due to politics and the slippery slope it presents for some time.

what's so special about now?

#35 | Posted by eberly

Immigration is only difficult for republicans to tackle. It's easy for dems. But republicans know they can't appeal to both the racists and immigrants and they can only survive if they do both. So their approach sounds like yours "why do we have to do this NOW? (in an election year)"

#40 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-05-23 02:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

""Well Bush lied about iraq, THEREFORE we can't fix your prescription drug program, get it?""

You are still not understanding what was said.

If you want to pass a law but the police choose not to enforce the ones they have what is the point of passing another law. Obama proved in many ways the most recent being Obamacare that it did not matter what the house put forth that he would choose what parts he wanted to use and refuse to enforce what he did not.

It is a waste of time to even attempt something they know that Obama will not use.

That is exactly what was said, the track record of Obama proved that it is plenty valid.
So no matter what you want to pretend he said the fact is that the point made by him stands.

#41 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-05-23 02:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

You are just furthering my point, why bother with reality just make stuff up as long as it goes against republicans.

#38 | Posted by salamandagator

YOu didn't name 1 thing I made up. You and i saw the same boehner interview. He refused to allow a vote on immigration because of changes to obamacare. He said so. With his mouth. Into a microphone. Admitting he was blocking an important issue because a totally separate issue isn't going the way he wants.

You didn't respond so I'll ask it again:

Imagine if after the iraq debacle, dems had refused to close the medicare donut-hole. You think seniors would have accepted that excuse? "Well Bush lied about iraq, THEREFORE we can't fix your prescription drug program, get it?"

#42 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-05-23 02:15 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

It is a waste of time to even attempt something they know that Obama will not use.

That is exactly what was said, the track record of Obama proved that it is plenty valid.
So no matter what you want to pretend he said the fact is that the point made by him stands.

#41 | Posted by salamandagator

So you're going with the "Obama is illegally changing obamacare therefore the government shouldn't govern on anything" approach?

#43 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-05-23 02:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

If you want to pass a law but the police choose not to enforce the ones they have what is the point of passing another law.

#41 | Posted by salamandagator

Think about how dumb that is. So the people of virginia shouldn't be able to pass any laws because the governor isn't arresting people for ---- sex, which is illegal there?

#44 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-05-23 02:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Immigration is only difficult for republicans to tackle. It's easy for dems."

what do you mean? nobody had effectively tackled immigration problems. never. immigration has been a nightmare for 30 years as far as effectively enforcing laws to stop it. employers have been given a total pass on breaking the law, the borders have been open, Arizona tries to enforce federal law and gets in trouble for it.

it's a disaster by anybody's definition.

#45 | Posted by eberly at 2014-05-23 02:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

it's a disaster by anybody's definition.

#45 | Posted by eberly

Well dems have a proposal on the table. It's the republicans who are blocking it because they don't want to offend the redneck base in an election year. The pathetic attempt to blame it on obamacare has as much validity as blaming it on BENGAZIIIII!

#46 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-05-23 02:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

So you're going with the "Obama is illegally changing obamacare therefore the government shouldn't govern on anything" approach?"

I am relaying what was said rather then your claim that it was because of obamacare that no immigration reform was finished.

"You didn't respond so I'll ask it again:"

Respond to what that question has nothing to do with the topic.
If you came up with a scenario where you would say that Bush disregards the legislature and implements only what he wants then you would have a question that is pertinent but as stated it is no more relevant then asking what kind of shave ice i like.

#47 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-05-23 02:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

I am relaying what was said rather then your claim that it was because of obamacare that no immigration reform was finished.

#47 | Posted by salamandagator a

That is what was said. By boehner. On TV.

Let's try it this way: What did YOU hear him say?

(this is the part where you write something that means the exact same thing and then say it's something completely different)

#48 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-05-23 02:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Well dems have a proposal on the table"

is it any good? all I am reading about is the political divide, rather than the content of the bill.

and before you tell us how good it is, I'll caution you that this isn't the first piece of immigration reform that was passed and lauded as progress.

#49 | Posted by eberly at 2014-05-23 02:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

what's so special about now?

#35 | Posted by eberly

What is so special about the VA screwing over Vets right now? What's so special about underfunded and poor Embassy Security? What is so special about the IRS targeting folks? What is so special about anything right now?

All these things have been going on for decades.

it's a disaster by anybody's definition.

#45 | Posted by eberly

The whole world is a disaster if you ask me.

You have to start fixing things somewhere sometime. But, that will never happen as long the Republicans

No solution is going to please everyone.

We can't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

"Well Bush lied about iraq, THEREFORE we can't fix your prescription drug program, get it?"

I am pretty sure they don't get it.

#50 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-05-23 02:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

"That is what was said. By boehner. On TV.
Let's try it this way: What did YOU hear him say?"

That is not what was said and you should know it.

"www.rawstory.com"

Listen and tell me that is what he said, i dare you.

#51 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-05-23 02:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

Listen and tell me that is what he said, i dare you.

#51 | Posted by salamandagator

I already have. Multiple times. He says repubs won't vote on immigration reform because obama is changing obamacare. And millions of latinos heard him. Good luck in 2016.

#52 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-05-23 02:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

"What is so special about the VA screwing over Vets right now? What's so special about underfunded and poor Embassy Security? What is so special about the IRS targeting folks? What is so special about anything right now?"

donner, this is being characterized by Rep. Luis Gutierrez as though there is some fatal cliff ahead based on immigration if not acted upon. That's why I'm asking.

I agree with you in that none of those things are a ticking time bomb or anything....they are all just typical fodder for political mud slinging.

#53 | Posted by eberly at 2014-05-23 03:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

"The whole world is a disaster if you ask me."

well, let's be honest, to liberals, it always is.

my world is awesome.

#54 | Posted by eberly at 2014-05-23 03:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

my world is awesome.

#54 | Posted by eberly

Your mum have a nice basement does she?

#55 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-05-23 03:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

#55

it's okay. she's in a nice retirement complex.

well....I've enjoyed the chat. I'm headed out to my club to watch the NCAA National Golf championship currently being played. I actually get to walk with the players as a "walking scorer" this afternoon....if the weather gets better. Been raining here for the past 4-5 hours.

have a good Memorial Day weekend all!!

#56 | Posted by eberly at 2014-05-23 03:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

" He says repubs won't vote on immigration reform because obama is changing obamacare."

My God man, i even provided the link. Will you please watch it.

He only used Obamacare as an example as to why there is no confidence in the enforcement.

It's simple. Watch it.

#57 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-05-23 03:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

Give away the farm or the illegals we have in our bus will not vote for you.

#58 | Posted by sames1 at 2014-05-23 04:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

He only used Obamacare as an example as to why there is no confidence in the enforcement.

It's simple. Watch it.

#57 | Posted by salamandagator

Just watched it. AGAIN. He directly says they won't vote on immigration because obama is changing obamacare. Maybe you linked to the wrong video clip?

#59 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-05-23 04:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Maybe you linked to the wrong video clip?"

Watch the one in the link, that is the one where the question was asked by Mr. Ramos in which the response was that Obama has responsibility as well and that there is no confidence that it will be enforced regardless of what is passed. It cites Obamacare as an example of him changing legislation to fit his political wants.

It was a simple answer and never did he say it is because of obamacare only that the president is willing to do whatever he wants and you can see that by looking at the changes he made without the legislatures approval. It is clearly a comment to the track record and inevitability of Obama doing whatever he feels like.

I cannot find a transcription or i would post it so you can see exactly what was said not some incredible stretch and imaginative spin as you would seem to believe.

#60 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-05-23 04:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

Speaking of Latinos and politics... wanna meet, imnsho, Hil's VP and a future President of the US?

www.bloomberg.com

#61 | Posted by Corky at 2014-05-23 04:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

Watch the one in the link, that is the one where the question was asked by Mr. Ramos in which the response was that Obama has responsibility as well and that there is no confidence that it will be enforced regardless of what is passed. It cites Obamacare as an example of him changing legislation to fit his political wants.

#60 | Posted by salamandagator

Jesus christ. So he's saying he won't do immigration because obama is changing obamacare. AS I"VE SAID A DOZEN TIMES! WTF is wrong with you?

#62 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-05-23 04:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

Been raining here for the past 4-5 hours.

have a good Memorial Day weekend all!!

#56 | Posted by eberly

You too!

I will be panning for gold up in the beautiful Trinity Alps. I am just hoping to find just a little nugget and that I don't get sunburned too bad.

#63 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-05-23 04:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

"So he's saying he won't do immigration because obama is changing obamacare."

No. Look i cannot simplify it any further then this.

Obama will not do what the legislature says.
Look, he just proved it with the Obamacare thing. Voiding legislature without consent of the legislature.

It is an EXAMPLE and proof, NOT the reason.
I cannot be anymore clear and i don't think he could have either. Why do you think when he spoke about it he spoke of confidence in the president?

#64 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-05-23 04:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

Obama will not do what the legislature says.
Look, he just proved it with the Obamacare thing. Voiding legislature without consent of the legislature.

Not really any different than what Bush did by issuing "signing statements."

Boehner's answer is a cop-out. Anytime your reason for not doing something is "because of something some other guy did" that's a cop-out.

#65 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-05-23 05:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

" Anytime your reason for not doing something is "because of something some other guy did" that's a cop-out."

Usually you are right but in some instances it is not worth bothering.
For instance if we actually had a president who kept his word and he vowed to veto some bit of legislation then there is no reason to move forward with it.

Do you think that had the republicans in the house put forth a immigration bill that it would have any chance of being implemented as designed?

#66 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-05-23 05:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

Funny how this excuse didn't come up when it's time to vote to repeal Obamacare a zillion times.

You're not going to convince anyone other than yourself that Boehner's answer is anything but a cop-out.

#67 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-05-23 06:15 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Border protection is addressed in the Constitution. Since it's not being done the Democrat party shouldn't bother to run a candidate in 2016.

#14 | Posted by goatman at 2014-05-23 07:14 AM | Reply | Flag:Impartially unaware Obama has deported more illegal immigrants than any Republican President in history.

#68 | Posted by northguy3 at 2014-05-23 07:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

Border protection is addressed in the Constitution. Since it's not being done the Democrat party shouldn't bother to run a candidate in 2016.

LOL. Now there is some wishful thinking. Magical even.

Since the Republicans don't have a viable candidate they will be running Mr. Benghazi in 2016.

#69 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-05-23 08:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

He is kind of out of touch America wants the illegals out and the border closed. We dont want them all made legal.

#70 | Posted by tmaster at 2014-05-23 08:57 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Well Reagan gave latinos amnesty and in the next election a higher percentage voted for democrats. So why would any republican ever consider another amnesty.

#71 | Posted by mcmlcxx at 2014-05-24 02:42 AM | Reply | Flag:

Those new latino voters that Reagan gave amnesty to have cost republicans California in the last 6 or 7 elections.

#72 | Posted by mcmlcxx at 2014-05-24 02:44 AM | Reply | Flag:

#72 Those new latino voters that Reagan gave amnesty to have cost republicans California in the last 6 or 7 elections.

TX next no matter what you do.

#73 | Posted by 88120rob at 2014-05-24 06:57 AM | Reply | Flag:

How many of those latinos are legal? The liberal structure of our immigration policy, voting without requiring ID (even the fledgling democracies require proof of ID), millsions in illegal campaign funds from illegal donors overseas. Yea the Dems really have a hold on things. Can't win by the rules so let's change the rules and cheat and lie, and steal. Only way the dems will stay in control after this boondoggle of an administration. This guy, our current so-called president, makes Jimmy Carter's administration look like JFK.

I can keep going and going and going on this administration, Pelosi, Reid, Conyers. If that is what the Dem party and progressive agenda is and has to offer then we are doomed to fall. Pelosi, California, most liberal state in the union, bankrupt and expecting me the taxpayer to pay for their failures. Reid, Nevada, most immoral state in the union one of the highest illegal populations in the country, sucks my tax dollars from taking care of my own countrymen.

Case after case after case proves liberalism and socialism DO NOT WORK. Margaret Thatcher, one of the most staunch of socialists, quoted as saying, "Socialism is a fantastic idea, but eventually you run out of other peoples' money."

And here's one just recent from a DEMOCRAT SENATOR, Joe Garcia from Florida, "El Paso is one of the safest cities in America (fact checked as false when the comparison is put into context), we have proven communism works." I guess that's why the Mexican cartels are hanging mannequins off of billboards and writing (translated)"Silver or Lead". Yeah Dems come on let's let 'em ALL in.

All I can say to the libs here is keep your crap ideas in your state and stay the hell outta mine and my pocket book. You are not welcome there.

#74 | Posted by drscott at 2014-05-24 09:56 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 2

He is kind of out of touch America wants the illegals out and the border closed. We dont want them all made legal.
#70 | Posted by tmaster

Maybe Sarah Palin's "Real America" wants that, but most people don't see mass deportation as a sensible approach. (Also, closing the border? Presumably you mean making illegal entry harder... not ending international trade.)

#75 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-05-24 03:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

Margaret Thatcher, one of the most staunch of socialists, quoted as saying, "Socialism is a fantastic idea, but eventually you run out of other peoples' money."

That's a cute quote.

But in reality, the reason for the financial collapse of 2008 is our capitalist banking system ran out of other people's money.

#76 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-05-24 03:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

snoof capitalism wasn't the problem deregulation was.

#77 | Posted by Tor at 2014-05-24 05:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

'the Republican Party "shouldn't bother to run a candidate in 2016."

#78 | Posted by Tor at 2014-05-24 05:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

#78 | POSTED BY TOR

I had too:

#79 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-05-24 05:19 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

snoof capitalism wasn't the problem deregulation was.
#77 | Posted by Tor

Deregulation didn't built the house of cards.
Bankers did.
I agree that capitalism needs to be be highly regulated to prevent them from doing it again.
Unfortunately they're even too bigger to fail than last time.

#80 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-05-24 07:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

Snoof when regulated capitalism is much like a good horse pulling a wagon.

When unregulated capitalism is much like a spooked horse pulling a wagon towards a cliff.

When we the people can "rein" in wall street it's always for the best.

#81 | Posted by Tor at 2014-05-24 07:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

why would a party want less people to vote? this isn't a trick question.

#82 | Posted by drewinnj at 2014-05-24 08:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

C'mon. Everybody knows Dubya was a RINO, like his daddy. The last REAL Republican President was that nice, tax raisin', budget bustin', al queda arming Mr. Reagan.

Aflac

#83 | Posted by northguy3 at 2014-05-24 09:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

Tom Donahue, the President of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, said that if House Republicans fail to pass an immigration reform bill this year, the Republican Party "shouldn't bother to run a candidate in 2016."

What needs to be changed and what part of our current law needs to be enforced.

#84 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-05-25 10:46 AM | Reply | Flag:

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