Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Friday, May 23, 2014

A third-grade teacher at Mill Plain Elementary school in Vancouver, Washington, was out of the classroom Monday as the district investigated two complaints about whether that teacher's policy, which requires students to pay fake money to go to the bathroom, led to students wetting themselves in class. Last week, Jasmine Al-Ayadhi complained that her 9-year-old daughter, Reem, had an accident in class as a result of the "pay to potty" policy. The story prompted the Evergreen Public Schools investigation.

Advertisement

Liberal Blog Advertising Network

Menu

Advertisement

Subscriptions

Author Info

HeliumRat

 

Advertisement

MORE STORIES

 

Advertisement

Comments

Admin's note: Participants in this discussion must follow the site's moderation policy. Profanity will be filtered. Abusive conduct is not allowed.

there's a disconnect here somewhere.

#1 | Posted by ichiro at 2014-05-21 02:52 AM | Reply | Flag:

This is the most hilarious thing I have read in about a month or so. Still, who is to blame for this? My fellow crackers, I blame the New World Order. Agenda-21. Chemtrails. Fluoridation. The Council on Foreign Relations.

Here is a primer:

www.youtube.com

#2 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2014-05-21 03:11 AM | Reply | Flag:

VANCOUVER, Wash. - A third-grade teacher at Mill Plain Elementary school was "out of the classroom" Monday as the district investigated two complaints about whether that teacher's policy, which requires students to pay fake money to go to the bathroom, led to students wetting themselves in class.

One of the unanticipated results of Libertarianism.

#3 | Posted by Zed at 2014-05-21 08:29 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

#3 Because public education is a well-known bastion of libertarianism?

I would counter that the teacher is training a new generation of panty-wetting liberals.

On a serious note - this teacher is too stupid to be entrusted with the education of our children.

#4 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-05-21 09:18 AM | Reply | Flag:

#4 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-05

Public restrooms represent egregious socialism. When such are also located within a public school, the harm is evident.

#5 | Posted by Zed at 2014-05-21 09:25 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 2

#5 For men, the entire planet can be a public restroom.

#6 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-05-21 09:40 AM | Reply | Flag:

At first glance it doesn't look good for the teacher but the article fails to mention if the policy was put into place due to excessive restroom usage. Having taught kids before, I've experienced them using the bathroom excuse to get out of class; if the problem became excessive I could see why this was implemented.

Additionally, it doesn't sound like the kids had to pay to use the bathroom during normally scheduled times, and it sounds like the kids in question had the ability to "pay" and chose not to. Maybe this will teach the kids a lesson about making poor choices.

"Merchon was so upset she pulled Lilliana out of school Monday and said she's considering keeping her out of the classroom until the situation is resolved. 'This is not going to happen to my child,' Merchon said."

Perhaps not.

#7 | Posted by bartimus at 2014-05-21 11:26 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"Additionally, it doesn't sound like the kids had to pay to use the bathroom during normally scheduled times, and it sounds like the kids in question had the ability to "pay" and chose not to. Maybe this will teach the kids a lesson about making poor choices."

If you can't teach a lesson about poor choices without having kids piss themselves, you're not a very good teacher. From the looks of it, the teacher needs to learn the poor choices lesson.

Kids should use the bathroom as needed. I think its weird that they even have to ask. A medical professional can't determine if someone has to use a bathroom just by looking at them but we trust teachers to make this determination....

#8 | Posted by Sully at 2014-05-21 02:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

"If you can't teach a lesson about poor choices without having kids piss themselves, you're not a very good teacher." - Sully

Experience is the best teacher. Who knows why a kid would piss him self, but its something they should learn to do, ask for what they want.

"Kids should use the bathroom as needed. I think its weird that they even have to ask." - Sully

Come on, you'd have little kids running around in the halls if they didn't have to ask, or even have a hall pass. Kids aren't adults, they aren't really sure why they are in school in third grade.

Perhaps her technique was flawed, but I reward the creativeness. Poor kids will need counseling at $150 an hr, for the rest of their lives now.

#9 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-05-21 03:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Come on, you'd have little kids running around in the halls if they didn't have to ask, or even have a hall pass. Kids aren't adults, they aren't really sure why they are in school in third grade."

And we could talk about older kids who use it as an excuse to get out of the room, avoid learning, text friends, etc. No, we teachers can't tell if someone needs to go to the bathroom, but if they're going three times a period, that's a clear indication that they're full of crap (metaphorically) or that there's an illness of some kind. Or maybe they drank a gallon water before coming to class. You know, every day.

"Poor kids will need counseling at $150 an hr, for the rest of their lives now."

Stimulate the economy!

#10 | Posted by pragmatist at 2014-05-23 12:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Experience is the best teacher. Who knows why a kid would piss him self, but its something they should learn to do, ask for what they want."

In this case the kids are pissing themselves because the teacher is offering them toys and treats to not use the bathroom. You don't teach kids not to do something by giving them toys for doing it.

#11 | Posted by Sully at 2014-05-23 01:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

So the parents are worried about the kids being humiliated in their classrooms so they go ahead and let the entire country know what 8yo had an accident in class.
Uhh, talk about humiliation, it was the mothers who did that.

I do not see what the problem is. The kids are allowed regular bathroom breaks and only have to "pay" if it is during class time. It is teaching responsibility. I applaud the teachers for this idea. However there is something wrong when a child chooses to wet themselves at 8yo so they can get popcorn. Again that sounds like bad parenting.

#12 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-05-23 01:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

#11

They were rewarded for not disrupting class by taking care of their business at designated times.

It is positive reinforcement.

#13 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-05-23 01:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

"They were rewarded for not disrupting class by taking care of their business at designated times."

Well obviously not everyones' bodily functions follow some arbitrary schedule of "designated times". In reality, people have to go when they have to go. Any teacher who is so impatient as to consider a kid asking to use the bathroom a big distraction probably isn't equipped to handle a room full of kids anyway.

I don't even see why I'm bothering with the apologists. If she didn't intend to have kids pissing their pants in class then her experiment obviously failed. If she did intent to have kids pissing themselves then she's a psycho. Either way she's clearly wrong and all the other third grade teachers who don't have kids pissing their pants in class are right.

#14 | Posted by Sully at 2014-05-23 01:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

"One of the unanticipated results of Libertarianism."

Is it any wonder Rand never had kids?

The idea of having to be responsible for a "taker" like a Baby would make Rand suicidal.

No doubt her suicide note would include a forty page denunciation of the baby as a "leach".

#15 | Posted by Tor at 2014-05-23 01:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Any teacher who is so impatient as to consider a kid asking to use the bathroom a big distraction probably isn't equipped to handle a room full of kids anyway. "

When was the last time you spent time in a classroom?
Constant interruption ruins learning.

"Well obviously not everyones' bodily functions follow some arbitrary schedule of "designated times". In reality, people have to go when they have to go. Any teacher who is so impatient as to consider a kid asking to use the bathroom a big distraction probably isn't equipped to handle a room full of kids anyway. "

Funny how that works though, when i am going to take my daughter on a road trip of more then 45 min or so i have her use the restroom. I have not once in her 6 and a half years had her have an accident or make me stop to use the bathroom. And in the cases where something came up and it was an emergency then there was a way provided.

It is sickening that so many just assume that you should just let a child do whatever they want with no repercussions and if you make any attempt to correct behavior you are the bad person. That is why the kids are growing up without any regard for others or any sensibility at all.

"I don't even see why I'm bothering with the apologists. "
I am not apologizing for her, i am applauding her.

"Either way she's clearly wrong and all the other third grade teachers who don't have kids pissing their pants in class are right."

Yes so the kid who decided popcorn was more important had nothing to do with it. The teacher clearly made her piss herself.
Are you even listening to yourself?

#16 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-05-23 01:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

I hope mommy dearest pulls her little precious snowflake out of school so the teacher can focus on the kids that aren't going to be lost causes.

#17 | Posted by visitor_ at 2014-05-23 02:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

"#5 For men, the entire planet can be a public restroom.

#6 | Posted by MUSTANG"

Not that you would know anything about that, right ma'am?

#18 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2014-05-23 02:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I am not apologizing for her, i am applauding her."

Not to pick a fight, but you're not understanding the meaning of "apologist"...

#19 | Posted by pragmatist at 2014-05-23 02:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

"When was the last time you spent time in a classroom?
Constant interruption ruins learning."

Kids going to the bathroom is not a major interruption and doesn't ruin learning. You're just making stuff up.

"It is sickening that so many just assume that you should just let a child do whatever they want with no repercussions and if you make any attempt to correct behavior you are the bad person. That is why the kids are growing up without any regard for others or any sensibility at all."

You make it sound as if having to go pee is wrong. Its a biological fact of life. A kid is not getting away with anything by taking a piss. Get a grip.

I think this teacher is an idiot because she found a way to have third graders pissing themselves in her class. You have to really screw up for that to happen. And you have to be a major fool to have it happen more than once.

I know you've decided that this woman's actions are "conservative" or whatever and therefore she can't be wrong but reality is that if your policy results in kids pissing their pants in your class then you're wrong. Period.

#20 | Posted by sully at 2014-05-23 02:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

Not so fast in the criticism. Sounds like a good ECON 101 class. Learning how to handle money, practicing basic arithmetic, corporate responsibility, balancing budgets, P/E ratios. I see some future CFO's and CEO's coming out of this class.

#21 | Posted by CrisisStills at 2014-05-23 02:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Not to pick a fight, but you're not understanding the meaning of "apologist"."

Wrong phrase used. In my head it said i am not an apologist for her i am applauding her or something similar.

#22 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-05-23 02:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yes so the kid who decided popcorn was more important had nothing to do with it. The teacher clearly made her piss herself.
Are you even listening to yourself?

#16 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-05-23 01:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

You have to be told that an adult in a position of authority has to be held to a much higher level of accountability than an eight year old?

You're a joke.

#23 | Posted by Sully at 2014-05-23 02:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

Kids going to the bathroom is not a major interruption and doesn't ruin learning. You're just making stuff up."

Yes i am sure i am just making stuff up, last Monday when i was volunteering in my daughters class i was just hallucinating. And stopping teaching to grant permission and write a slip does not actually take any time or derail a train of thought. I mean time does not even exist in a classroom nor does linearity.


"You make it sound as if having to go pee is wrong. Its a biological fact of life. A kid is not getting away with anything by taking a piss. Get a grip. "

So why bother potty training?
Oh it's fine to teach control to a toddler but not a third grader?
Or are you against potty training too?

"I think this teacher is an idiot because she found a way to have third graders pissing themselves in her class."
She did not find a way a child chose to piss herself so she could have popcorn. That is not on the teacher that is on the child and her parents. But of course you cannot blame a child for misbehavior or the parents for failing to raise her right. She should, after all, get to do whatever she feels like at whatever determent to others she cares to inflict.

The funny thing is that i clearly remember my third grade teacher Ms. Beck. We also had a rule about it, and if it was anything but a very rare emergency you lost points which went toward some kinda gross sugar free candy and a movie day for the class. We never had an issue. But i guess that must have just been a failure waiting to happen too and had nothing to do with the kids choosing to behave.

#24 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-05-23 02:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

"You have to be told that an adult in a position of authority has to be held to a much higher level of accountability than an eight year old?
You're a joke."

You are the one claiming that a teacher has more say over a biological function then an 8yo.
Sorry but i tend to treat children not like they are inanimate objects but like a growing person. Someone who needs instruction and guidance rather then just let them do whatever they want. Treat them with respect and give them some responsibility, even if it is only for their own actions, or you end up with the waste that is so prevalent today.

#25 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-05-23 02:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Yes i am sure i am just making stuff up, last Monday when i was volunteering in my daughters class i was just hallucinating. And stopping teaching to grant permission and write a slip does not actually take any time or derail a train of thought. I mean time does not even exist in a classroom nor does linearity."

Well that's your fault. When I was in school we had big wooden bathroom passes at the front of the room. If you had to go and you asked the teacher and on the way out you grabbed the pass. Took the teacher literally a second to say "OK". Why are you writing out documents? What a waste of time.

#26 | Posted by Sully at 2014-05-23 02:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

"So why bother potty training?
Oh it's fine to teach control to a toddler but not a third grader?
Or are you against potty training too?"

What in the world are you babbling about? Potty training teaches a kid to use a toilet instead of a diaper or their pants. It has nothing to do with training kids to pee only at designated times.

You had to know this was stupid before you said it.

#27 | Posted by Sully at 2014-05-23 02:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

Why are you writing out documents? What a waste of time."

They are called hall passes. They have been used since the dawn of time(or relatively close to it).

#28 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-05-23 02:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

"The funny thing is that i clearly remember my third grade teacher Ms. Beck. We also had a rule about it, and if it was anything but a very rare emergency you lost points which went toward some kinda gross sugar free candy and a movie day for the class. We never had an issue. But i guess that must have just been a failure waiting to happen too and had nothing to do with the kids choosing to behave."

If another teacher found a way to do something kind of like this only without kids pissing themselves, then she succeeded where this teacher obviously failed.

#29 | Posted by Sully at 2014-05-23 02:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

They are called hall passes. They have been used since the dawn of time(or relatively close to it).

#28 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-05-23 02:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

Make one out of wood. Problem solved. You're welcome.

#30 | Posted by Sully at 2014-05-23 02:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

" Potty training teaches a kid to use a toilet instead of a diaper or their pants. It has nothing to do with training kids to pee only at designated times."

It is bodily control. waiting till there is an appropriate opportunity. He kind EXACTLY like this topic.

"You had to know this was stupid before you said it. "

You do of course realize calling someone stupid is not a viable alternative for any sort of reason right?

#31 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-05-23 02:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Sorry but i tend to treat children not like they are inanimate objects but like a growing person. Someone who needs instruction and guidance rather then just let them do whatever they want."

Again, you're equating letting them pee when they have to with misbehaving. Insanity.

"Treat them with respect and give them some responsibility, even if it is only for their own actions, or you end up with the waste that is so prevalent today."

What is more disrespectful than pretending they are doing something wrong by using the toilet when they have to?

#32 | Posted by Sully at 2014-05-23 02:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

You do of course realize calling someone stupid is not a viable alternative for any sort of reason right?

#31 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-05-23 02:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

I told you why your comment was stupid too.

Its still stupid, BTW.

#33 | Posted by Sully at 2014-05-23 02:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

"If another teacher found a way to do something kind of like this only without kids pissing themselves, then she succeeded where this teacher obviously failed. "

It was the same system. Reward for good behavior, we just chose to behave ourselves.

Difference? not the teacher, the students.

But seriously what then do you propose that a teacher does when it becomes a problem.
If a child is continually disruptive you just send them to the principal?
And would it still be your fault if they chose to piss themselves rather the going to the principals office?

Why do you think a child should have no responsibility for their own choice?

#34 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-05-23 03:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I told you why your comment was stupid too"

By making a statement that potty training has nothing to do with holding it.

That's like saying
Red is the best color because green is purple.

Nonsense is no substitute for reason.

You claimed it was a stupid comment but obviously did not even think about your rebuttal and how ludicrous it was.

But find if you do not believe that potty training has anything to do with holding it or bladder control you are free to be the only human being who thinks so.

#35 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-05-23 03:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Again, you're equating letting them pee when they have to with misbehaving. Insanity."

The misbehaving was thew girls CHOICE of popcorn over using the restroom.

You seem to forget that there is another human being involved who chose to make this happen. No one stopped her from going to the bathroom, she chose not to. If you don't see that as misbehaving then you sire have serious issues.

#36 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-05-23 03:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

Look if a 3rd grader with the schedule outlined there can't be smart enough to use the bathroom on breaks, has the "ability" to go to the bathroom and chooses not to - Learn a valuable life lesson. Other kids would have used their monopoly money for rewards for NOT disrupting class.

Thinking back to those years, out side of first grade where we had in class bathrooms - very rarely did a kid need to go to the bathroom outside of recess or lunch times. But there was also true punishment for misbehavior as well. These little girls didn't want to surrender their rewards so they tried a little too hard to hold out.

I actually kind of like this teacher's methods. What she is actually doing is teaching responsibility. The girls were not responsible and because they didn't want to give up the reward they paid the price. I almost wonder if it wasn't a game to them... That wouldn't surprise me.

#37 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2014-05-23 03:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

Still, who is to blame for this?

#2 | Posted by HeliumRat

I think the most likely culprit is Ayn Rand.

#38 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2014-05-23 03:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

"What she is actually doing is teaching responsibility.
#37 | Posted by GalaxiePete"

Yeah! Being responsible is holding it when you need to piss. Highest form.

#39 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2014-05-23 05:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

"By making a statement that potty training has nothing to do with holding it."

I never said that. What I said is that potty training doesn't involved only using the bathroom at arbitrarily assigned times. And that is true.

Every time you try to claim otherwise, you're being stupid.

"You seem to forget that there is another human being involved who chose to make this happen."

Yeah a third grader. I hold the adult in the room accountable especially after it already happened once.

There is really nothing to argue here. That kids who had no problem previously are pissing themselves at school proves the policy is a failure. Only a unthinking ideologue would argue otherwise.

IF you were smart, you'd be saying "I agree with what the teacher was trying to do, but ultimately if kids are wetting themselves when they formerly had no problem, the policy failed".

But you're a thoughtless ideologue who eschews real world results.

#40 | Posted by Sully at 2014-05-23 05:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

40

Yes yes kids are not people. They cannot make choices. This girl was held captive and forced to wet herself. Screw reality we live in sully world where trees are pink and rocks are bees.
Seriously, we get it you had a emotional reaction to the story but join the adults and admit when your opinion was unfounded and wrong. The hole you are digging is not becoming.
Or not, your insistence that anyone who dwells in the real world is stupid is always good for a laugh.

#41 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-05-23 07:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

My wife just got off a 7 week substitute job for a 2nd grade class. Her problem was kids always breaking their pencils and wanting to sharpen them. At some point, you have to tell them no.

#42 | Posted by Pirate at 2014-05-23 10:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

Here I sit broken hearted.
Payed a fake dime to ----.
But only farted.

#43 | Posted by klifferd at 2014-05-24 09:54 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Kids going to the bathroom is not a major interruption and doesn't ruin learning. You're just making stuff up."

It can be. Trust me.

"Why are you writing out documents? What a waste of time."

Many administrators require documents. Would that it were not so, but it is.

#44 | Posted by pragmatist at 2014-05-24 11:33 AM | Reply | Flag:

Should have let the kid go "on credit" and make him/her pay it back by hounding him/her all day every day for repayment.

That would have been a better lesson IMHO.

#45 | Posted by Lohocla at 2014-05-25 01:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

Teach the kids how to deal with debt collectors early on. Yes, valuable lesson to have at an early age. Especially if their parents are in debt. Imagine what a nice little tool to have in the box -- an 8 year old who is proficient at getting rid of debt collectors over the phone.

Heaven sent, I would imagine.

#46 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-05-25 02:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

#46 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11

That or just learning how to manage debt so it doesn't become a burden when it actually counts.

Due to a harsh lesson back in my younger years (that being, don't let your GF/Fiance do your finances no matter how good the sex is), I've been debt free for 20-25 years.

After suffering a lot of nasty calls, I was able to consolidate everything and get it paid off in a about 18 months (luckily it wasn't much) and have never bought anything on credit since.

#47 | Posted by Lohocla at 2014-05-25 02:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

Advertisement

Post a comment

Comments are closed for this entry.

Home | Breaking News | Comments | User Blogs | Stats | Back Page | RSS Feed | RSS Spec | DMCA Compliance | Privacy | Copyright 2014 World Readable

 

Advertisement

Drudge Retort