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"'Saturated fat does not cause heart disease' -- or so concluded a big study published in March in the journal Annals of Internal Medicine. How could this be? The very cornerstone of dietary advice for generations has been that the saturated fats in butter, cheese and red meat should be avoided because they clog our arteries. ... The fact is, there has never been solid evidence for the idea that these fats cause disease. We only believe this to be the case because nutrition policy has been derailed over the past half-century by a mixture of personal ambition, bad science, politics and bias." -- Nina Teicholz, author of The Big Fat Surprise: Why Butter, Meat and Cheese Belong in a Healthy Diet

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NOT a Chris Christie thread....

"Saturated fat does not cause heart disease" -- or so concluded a big study published in March in the journal Annals of Internal Medicine. How could this be?

The very cornerstone of dietary advice for generations has been that the saturated fats in butter, cheese and red meat should be avoided because they clog our arteries. For many diet-conscious Americans, it is simply second nature to opt for chicken over sirloin, canola oil over butter.

The new study's conclusion shouldn't surprise anyone familiar with modern nutritional science, however. The fact is, there has never been solid evidence for the idea that these fats cause disease.

We only believe this to be the case because nutrition policy has been derailed over the past half-century by a mixture of personal ambition, bad science, politics and bias."

I imagine this will be a controversial book....

Here's a rebuttal

www.huffingtonpost.com

#1 | Posted by Corky at 2014-05-19 12:57 AM | Reply | Flag:

They can look at the extraordinarily dubious "science" behind the claims that salt is bad for you next.

Many of these claims over the last 50 years have been rooted in an attempt to get humans away from eating animals and to start grazing beside them. If you want people to become sheep, the first step is to get them to eat like sheep.

#2 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-05-19 08:15 AM | Reply | Flag:

"NOT a Chris Christie thread...."

Pretty good, but when I saw the headline, I thought it was going to be a story about some guy that woke up after a hard night's partying to find himself with his armed trapped under a naked Oprah, titled "They call me Lefty".

#3 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-05-19 08:17 AM | Reply | Flag:

What! We have been misled by faulty science? Say it ain't so.

#4 | Posted by Daniel at 2014-05-19 08:51 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

I have no doubt eating mostly fresh vegetables is the better way. But fat accumulation is caused more, I think, by an imbalanced diet lacking nutrients than by fat consumption itself.
When I put a shaker of lecithin granules on my table and started using it on every fatty food, my waistline went steadily down.

#5 | Posted by Diablo at 2014-05-19 01:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

Many of these claims over the last 50 years have been rooted in an attempt to get humans away from eating animals and to start grazing beside them. If you want people to become sheep, the first step is to get them to eat like sheep.

#2 | Posted by MUSTANG

I think you mean if you want to let humans reproduce without limit, you can't feed them all meat - which uses drastically more resources to produce.

#6 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-05-19 02:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

What! We have been misled by faulty science? Say it ain't so.

#4 | Posted by Daniel

See! Natural fats aren't bad for you therefore global warming is a hoax!

-fox morons.

#7 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-05-19 02:13 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

#6 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

What?

#8 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-05-19 02:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

spe, we have been fed so much BS we don't know what is true. every week the good and bad list changes.

#9 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-05-19 02:36 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

spe, we have been fed so much BS we don't know what is true.

#9 | Posted by Sniper

Yup. That was exactly the goal when the oil billionaires decided to feed you that BS.

#10 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-05-19 02:37 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

From the WSJ article, "...Seeing the U.S. population grow sicker and fatter while adhering to official dietary guidelines has put nutrition authorities in an awkward position. ..."

The author does not show that the population growing sicker and fatter is actually following the official dietary guidelines. The author merely asserts, without proof, that the sicker, fatter people *are* following the official dietary guidelines.

I am not convinced of the veracity of her statement.

#11 | Posted by LampLighter at 2014-05-19 02:40 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

I think you mean if you want to let humans reproduce without limit, you can't feed them all meat - which uses drastically more resources to produce.
#6 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

What?
#8 | Posted by Sniper


Our civilization rewards constant growth, on a planet of finite resources.
Hope this helps.

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-05-19 02:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

eating a dozen fried eggs and 10 slices of bacon for 2o-odd years helped teddy roosevelt live to the ripe old age of 60.

because he was a hard man, he naturally died of hardening of the arteries...

#13 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-05-19 02:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

Eat, drink, smoke, and chase women, smell the roses and be merry lest you die without ever having been alive.

#14 | Posted by lel2007 at 2014-05-19 03:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

Eat, drink, smoke, and chase women, smell the roses and be merry lest you die without ever having been alive.
#14 | Posted by lel2007 at 2014-05-19 03:32 PM

I've found intermittent fasting has worked for me in finding a balance. I get to eat pretty much what I want four days a week and three days a week I imbibe nothing but caffeine and diet soda.

#15 | Posted by censored at 2014-05-19 03:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

We all know that scientific research has it's issues - i.e. it is not foolproof or without errors. There was a great segment on Scientific Research on NPR today that I listened to while driving into work. It is honestly a great segment that exposes some issues within the world or scientific research. It also illustrates why repeating research is so important much like this article does.

#16 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2014-05-19 03:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

#12 | Posted by snoofy

Come on... there is always Soylent Green. Seems to be where we are headed.

#17 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2014-05-19 03:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

CSPI (Center for Science in the Public Interest)had an article about this study. The study that shows butter fat is good for you was paid for (hold your breath) by the dairy industry. Figures don't lie, but sometimes liars figure...

#18 | Posted by SomebodyElse at 2014-05-19 04:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

We all know that scientific research has it's issues - i.e. it is not foolproof or without errors.

#16 | Posted by GalaxiePete

Tell that to the man made global warming geeks.

#19 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-05-19 04:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

Tell that to the man made global warming geeks.

#19 | Posted by Sniper

Funny how you save your skepticism for the 97 percent of climatologists who support MMGW theory, and have no skepticism for the 3 percent who don't support it.

#20 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-05-19 04:37 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

I still contend that anything natural is better than fake

#21 | Posted by bat4255 at 2014-05-19 05:30 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

I've always figured two things were significant in this subject: your body intentionally stores fat in the saturated form, which probably means that is the preferred form for us to live off of, and second, that of the 3 macro nutrients, the only one you can survive with complete removal from your diet is carbs. Your body can make it's own sugars through gluconeogenesis. Try going without fats though, and it's rabbit starvation. Similar with protein deficiency. However and whenever we did it, we evolved on a far different dietary trail away from our common primate ancestors shared with our more vegetarian cousins.

On the other hand, I always figure most Atkins fans are doing it wrong too. I like the idea of a diet of mostly vegetables. Not grains, not starches - green leafies, nuts, berries, and fibrous tubers. The stuff you would gather in the wild, between or while hunting. Now found on the outside grocery aisles. Not deep fried bacon wrapped steak three times a day.

#22 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2014-05-19 06:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

I like the idea of a diet of mostly vegetables. Not grains, not starches - green leafies, nuts, berries, and fibrous tubers. The stuff you would gather in the wild, between or while hunting. Now found on the outside grocery aisles. Not deep fried bacon wrapped steak three times a day.

#22 | Posted by zeropointnrg

That's the diet we are evolved to consume. Everything else is poison, of varying degrees.

One thing is for sure, foods full of processed crap and sugar shouldn't be able to market themselves as real food. They should be called sugar delivery systems and their commercials should have to list all the possible terrible side effects like drug commercials do.

The fact that our government subsidizes toxic food and won't move to curb their damage is one more result of our twisted private election funding system. Our nations health as a whole is YET ANOTHER problem that would improve if we had public election funding.

#23 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-05-19 06:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

What we are told to eat is always about wall st. profits. Like everything else.

#24 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-05-19 10:11 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

See! Natural fats aren't bad for you therefore global warming is a hoax
-fox morons.
#7 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Dude, where do you get your science? From watching fox news? Global warming is not a hoax, just the politicizing it into a giant sucking sound for tax dollars for the latest conspiracy nut or scare-monger. Sheesh, neophytes. Always taken in by the newest flim-flam agents.

#25 | Posted by Daniel at 2014-05-19 11:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

Global warming is not a hoax, just the politicizing it into a giant sucking sound for tax dollars for the latest conspiracy nut or scare-monger. Sheesh, neophytes. Always taken in by the newest flim-flam agents.

#25 | Posted by Daniel

So in 1 post, you say both "global warming is not a hoax" but those who want to prevent it are "conspiracy nuts and fear mongers?"

Conflicted much?

#26 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-05-20 02:12 AM | Reply | Flag:

...but those who want to prevent it are "conspiracy nuts and fear mongers?"

"Climate change" is something that has occurred for millions of years. It is like a locomotive screaming down the track and you want to stand in front of it and yell stop. I have no problem with listening to those that think they know what's causing it and except or dismiss it. But when they turn it into political power and thwart the will of the people, I begin to question their motives. I also believe that man's influence on the climate is a very tiny percent which nature is capable of compensating for. The climate is quite capable of wild swings on it's own without man's influence.

#27 | Posted by Daniel at 2014-05-20 09:54 AM | Reply | Flag:

My apologies to Corky for posting outside the original intent of this thread.

#28 | Posted by Daniel at 2014-05-20 10:00 AM | Reply | Flag:

#28 de nada

Why Olive Oil Is So Good For Heart Health

Until now, researchers hadn't quite been able to explain why a diet high in fat as the Mediterranean diet is linked to cardiovascular health. Researchers have wondered what exactly it is about the fats that helps the heart, and now they've arrived a pretty convincing mechanism to explain it.

www.forbes.com

#29 | Posted by Corky at 2014-05-20 11:33 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Climate change" is something that has occurred for millions of years. It is like a locomotive screaming down the track and you want to stand in front of it and yell stop. I have no problem with listening to those that think they know what's causing it and except or dismiss it. But when they turn it into political power and thwart the will of the people, I begin to question their motives. I also believe that man's influence on the climate is a very tiny percent which nature is capable of compensating for. The climate is quite capable of wild swings on it's own without man's influence.

#27 | Posted by Daniel

It wasn't liberals who turned climate change into a political football. It was republicans bought off by the oil industry. And the republican voters were happy to go along because they were told climate change was a weenie liberal conspiracy theory. If fighting climate change is a liberal concern, then all true conservative must OPPOSE fighting climate change!

#30 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-05-20 01:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

See! Natural fats aren't bad for you therefore global warming is a hoax!
-fox morons.
#7 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-05-19 02:13 PM | Reply | Flag

Nah, just proves scientists don't know everything there is to know, what a shocker!

#31 | Posted by danv at 2014-05-20 04:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

Nah, just proves scientists don't know everything there is to know, what a shocker!

#31 | Posted by danv

Totally. Scientists don't know EVERYTHING, therefore we shouldn't do ANYTHING they say even when 99 percent of them agree.

-the morons.

#32 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-05-20 04:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

They can look at the extraordinarily dubious "science" behind the claims that salt is bad for you next.
Many of these claims over the last 50 years have been rooted in an attempt to get humans away from eating animals and to start grazing beside them. If you want people to become sheep, the first step is to get them to eat like sheep.
#2 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-05-19 08:15 AM

There are consequences to a poor metabolism, salt intake can become dangerous.

You have it backwards - the American diet has been to increase meat, sugar and carbohydrates.

Industrialization of farming and food production has decimated Americans health more than any offense you might misconstrue from the headline about eating grass.

Why not watch the short lecture and then comment?

#33 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2014-05-20 08:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

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