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Monday, May 19, 2014

Even during the paranoia and antagonism of the Cold War, the United States and Russia managed to find common cause in space. In July 1975, both countries celebrated the first joint space flight, as Apollo and Soyuz spacecraft docked in orbit, astronauts and cosmonauts smiling for the cameras as they shook hands through the air lock. But now the spirit of co-operation appears to have died, with the International Space Station -- the $150 billion international research laboratory that is still physically divided along Cold War lines -- becoming the rope in a tug-of-war between American and Russian politicians. "We're moving from the CERN model, where everyone builds one thing together, to the Antarctic model, where everyone has their own program," said James Oberg, a former rocket engineer and author of Star-Crossed Orbits, a book about the countries' joint history in space.

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The U.S. needs its own Space Station.

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I personally, don't like being dependent on someone who hates us. We need to get our own space vehicles.

#1 | Posted by boaz at 2014-05-18 11:47 AM | Reply | Flag:

"I personally, don't like being dependent on someone who hates us."

Well, there are other websites besides DR, Boaz, but I think we should tough it out.

#2 | Posted by Diablo at 2014-05-18 12:02 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

What? Are you being funny?

#3 | Posted by boaz at 2014-05-18 12:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

Of course.

#4 | Posted by Diablo at 2014-05-18 12:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

In that case..

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

#5 | Posted by boaz at 2014-05-18 12:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

The U.S. needs a space station like it needs another hole in it's wallet.

#6 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-05-18 12:55 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

The U.S. needs a space station like it needs another hole in it's wallet.

At least a space station could forward science. What's another entitlement program going to do?

#7 | Posted by boaz at 2014-05-18 01:31 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

Forward the base of the Democratic Party, of course.

#8 | Posted by Diablo at 2014-05-18 01:36 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

Touche...

#9 | Posted by boaz at 2014-05-18 02:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

"At least a space station could forward science. "

So what? You don't need a space station for that. You can fund general research if that's important to you.

#10 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-05-18 03:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

What's another entitlement program going to do?

#7 | Posted by boaz

Keep poor kids from being hungry?
Help an old lady keep her apartment?
Give an old guy with a bad heart medical treatment?
Provide a good education to a poor Appalachian?

#11 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2014-05-18 03:54 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

Worth repeating.
The U.S. needs a space station like it needs another hole in it's wallet.

#6 | Posted by nullifidian
NASA is like the "Military Defense Industry" that Eisenhower warned us about

#12 | Posted by SammyAZ_RI at 2014-05-18 04:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

Maybe we can get China to make us one.

#13 | Posted by shirtsbyeric at 2014-05-19 12:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

"NASA is like the "Military Defense Industry" that Eisenhower warned us about"

Absolute nonsense. We have invented entire industries because we had a space program. Eisenhower spelled out what he was talking about, it was things like tanks that Congress insists we build even though the military doesn't want or need them. It's things like wars in Iraq for oil.

#14 | Posted by danni at 2014-05-19 03:47 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Another shining success of the reset with Hillary.

#15 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-05-19 03:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

Keep poor kids from being hungry?
Help an old lady keep her apartment?
Give an old guy with a bad heart medical treatment?
Provide a good education to a poor Appalachian?
#11 | POSTED BY TFDNIHILIST

That would be great if thats what we got with the money, but unfortunately its not....

The more money we spend on helping poor kids from being hungry, the more hungry kids we will get. The more government spends on education, the less education we get. The more we spend on medical care, the less care we get. Do you see a pattern?

I am all for the research angle, NASA is like the MIC because it has no focus. If we don't give it focus, then we should shut it down. A space station is a wonderful idea, perhaps one that collects old satellite junk....

The other disturbing trend I see is NASA/Government/DoE will fund basic research, then when it comes time to commercialize it we license it to China........

#16 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-05-19 03:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

The U.S. needs a space station like it needs another hole in it's wallet.

#6 | Posted by nullifidian

We have many more holes than we need right now.

#17 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-05-19 04:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

Keep poor kids from being hungry?
Help an old lady keep her apartment?
Give an old guy with a bad heart medical treatment?
Provide a good education to a poor Appalachian?

#11 | Posted by TFDNihilist

None are the job of the federal government.

#18 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-05-19 04:21 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

The world keeps disappointing Obama. American partisans are the only ones that can see his brilliance.

#19 | Posted by Huguenot at 2014-05-19 04:23 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

Well it's not like our space ships have been disassembled.

Right?

#20 | Posted by Tor at 2014-05-19 06:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

I personally, don't like being dependent on someone who hates us. We need to get our own space vehicles.

#1 | Posted by boaz

But how are we supposed to pay for that? The koch brothers need tax cuts!!

#21 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-05-19 06:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

Makes no sense we are spending 71 million just to send one person into space. For that kind of money you could probably launch satellites to fulfill the same mission as our human astronaut. With high speed data transfers now you don't need a guy in space just to turn a button on or off.

#22 | Posted by Badcat at 2014-05-19 07:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

"We have invented entire industries because we had a space program"
posted by Danni
LOL Danni please name ONE industry that would NOT exist without our space program ?? If there is a consumer demand the free market will always create the product or service

#23 | Posted by SammyAZ_RI at 2014-05-19 07:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

^
Muslim motivational seminars.

#24 | Posted by Huguenot at 2014-05-19 07:53 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

"With high speed data transfers now you don't need a guy in space just to turn a button on or off."

Who's going to install the "button"? Bottom line, the world will always need some wrench turners and ditch diggers. Regardless of advances in sciences.

#25 | Posted by bogey1355 at 2014-05-19 08:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

"We have invented entire industries because we had a space program."

So what? Likewise, the Pentagon budget.

#26 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-05-19 09:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

Not real sure why we need a "ditch digger" in space, but I'm sure anything can be programed to install that "button". Something that doesn't need it's own atmosphere, sewage treatment etc. Until, something other than using a 100 tons of propellant just to get you up into a near space orbit where's the advances in science that was claimed with these high dollar tickets?
There has been more information about near space using projects like voyager , the Mars rover etc. I'm just not hearing a lot of scientific advances that justifies having people live on a space station and the associated costs for maintaining their life support.

And what really surprises me is that there has been no effort to return to the moon other than the occasional landing by a robot. It seems to me the whole space program was developed for the sole purpose of advancing the ability of pinpoint accuracy for re-entry vehicles, namely warheads.

#27 | Posted by Badcat at 2014-05-19 11:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

I support NASA, in fact I am quite a fan of NASA, but the Space station is nothing but a big money pit with very little meaningful science happening on it.
in fact there have been criticism of it with in NASA it self for draining money that could go along ways for planetary exploration and other research being pumped into the space station instead, as one NASA member said most of the experiments that have been done their are equivalent to high school experiments.
both the space station and the shuttle crafts actually hurt are space exploration buy sucking NASA meager budget and keeping us in near earth orbit.
fortunately the shuttle program is dead, now if we could trash the space station we could reorganize NASA budget and get down to doing real Science instead of programs designed to publicized NASA well accomplishing very little

#28 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2014-05-20 12:20 AM | Reply | Flag:

fortunately the shuttle program is dead, now if we could trash the space station we could reorganize NASA budget and get down to doing real Science instead of programs designed to publicized NASA well accomplishing very little

#28 | Posted by PunchyPossum

Most of the people IN NASA got involved to be part of the exciting prospect of human space travel. They were inspired by the moon journeys and dreams of what would come next. Try inspiring the next generation of scientists if all NASA employees do is build and launch robots.

#29 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-05-20 02:07 AM | Reply | Flag:

#29 | Posted by SpeakSoftly a

We had the capability of deep space rockets you might remember them they were called the Saturn Rockets, instead of building the next generation of deep space rocket that might have the capability of return flight similar to the space shuttle, we stuck to one uninspiring flight after another to the space station with the near Earth orbit space shuttle, it was all about politics and PR we stopped going to the moon if you haven't noticed a long time ago. we should of by now have at the very least have had a man on one of the moons of mars bringing back soil samples but nope, just back and forth to that useless money pit the space station.
only now are we thinking about new deep space rockets since we have killed off the space shuttles, but apparently they will take about 10 years to be build, though I will admit I am not sure of the date but going by my memory.
It was all stupid PR and Politics with very little real Science learned, and with very little inspiration to ignite a young persons dreams.

#30 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2014-05-20 03:39 AM | Reply | Flag:

"LOL Danni please name ONE industry that would NOT exist without our space program ??"

First Anything that requires a satellite, which would include weather forecasting, communications, entertainment, etc.

Also:
"NASA spin-off technologies"

en.wikipedia.org

#31 | Posted by danni at 2014-05-20 11:42 AM | Reply | Flag:

Let the Russian modules loose and we have our own Space Station again. Unfortunately we have to rely on SpaceX to get us there.

#32 | Posted by sames1 at 2014-05-20 12:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

Unfortunately we have to rely on SpaceX to get us there.

Which is awesome, the result of an individual with a dream, one of those evil 1%'ers who invested his entire fortune in SpaceX and Tesla motors. Saves NASA millions. Private sector is almost always more efficient and effective than government.

#33 | Posted by danv at 2014-05-20 01:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

Private sector is almost always more efficient and effective than government.

#33 | Posted by danv

Sure. That's why our healthcare costs 2-5 times as much as countries with single payer. The main thing our system is "effective" at is lining the pockets of billionaires.

#34 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-05-20 01:10 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Reform in Russia is FUBAR until
Putin is out anyways...

even the Russians know that...

#35 | Posted by earthmuse at 2014-05-20 01:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

If we cannot work it out and we have to then we should disconnect our sections of the ISS and let them fall into the sea.

As a former Cold War Warrior myself I cannot say I am surprised at this very sad outcome.

The ISS has been a great adventure but the Russians should never have been trusted to this degree and we should never have come to rely on them to get us to the ISS to the degree we have.

This is the result of that misplaced trust.

We have learned a lot from this venture maybe as much as we can for now and if we cannot work with them we should sever ties and not let them hold us hostage.

Then we shall see who needs whose technology. Like a messy divorce can be maybe in the end it will be good for both of us to part ways.

We should be making our own launch engines by now anyway. We have the technology and continued reliance on the Russian-built RD-180 engines is not good for our national security.

#36 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-05-20 04:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

Sure. That's why our healthcare costs 2-5 times as much as countries with single payer. The main thing our system is "effective" at is lining the pockets of billionaires.

#34 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

You don't have a clue...............

What country do the filthy rich go to for major healthcare issues?
What country developes most of the medicines?
What country has the most 'high tech' medecical devices per patient?
What country has the highest rate of curing cancet?
What is the average wait time to see a doctor at the VA (single payer) system?
What and on and on

#37 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-05-20 05:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

What country do the filthy rich go to for major healthcare issues?

#37 | Posted by Sniper

Of course republican's measure everything by what is best for the filthy rich.

The better question is:
In what countries do MOST of its citizens like their health care system?
The answer is countries with socialized medicine.

Try to find a non-filthy rich canadian who wishes they could trade their health care system for ours.

#38 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-05-20 06:10 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

What country do the filthy rich go to for major healthcare issues?

#37 | Posted by Sniper

Who cares? YOU can have the best Health Care system in the world (HINT: we don't Daily Show Proves America Does Not Have the ‘Best Health Care System in the World) but it doesn't mean anything if no one but the "filthy rich" can afford to access it.

The ACA is there to try and make sure those of us in America who are not "filthy rich" ALSO get access to basic health care.

#39 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-05-20 08:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

The ACA is there to try and make sure those of us in America who are not "filthy rich" ALSO get access to basic health care.

Everyone has always had access to basic health Care. Insurance policies have always been out there for anyone to buy.

It's just not free. Nothing is...

HealthCare is not a right.

#40 | Posted by boaz at 2014-05-20 08:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

Everyone has always had access to basic health Care. Insurance policies have always been out there for anyone to buy.

That is not even remotely true.

#41 | Posted by YAV at 2014-05-20 08:35 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Everyone has always had access to basic health Care. Insurance policies have always been out there for anyone to buy.

How many times do you have to be beaten over the head with the truth before you wake up.

Just stop it! Stop being so damn ignorant.

come on... click the link.... learn something and maybe smile, too.

www.mediaite.com

#42 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-05-20 08:55 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

HealthCare is not a right.

#40 | Posted by boaz

Either healthcare is a right, or america is a country that lets sick people die in the streets.

#43 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-05-20 11:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

I guess you haven't been reading the news lately, health care is not a right. Obama's VA proves it, we veterans ARE dieing on the street, that with all the promises of care we were given as we tore up our bodies serving you.

#44 | Posted by docnjo at 2014-05-21 10:38 AM | Reply | Flag:

that with all the promises of care we were given as we tore up our bodies serving you.

#44 | Posted by docnjo

Umm... no one in the modern military has ever served ME. The last military action that actually defended the US homeland was...when? WW2? Maybe the cuban missile crisis?

The MODERN US military serves corporations and banks. Maybe you should ask THEM for health care.

#45 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-05-21 12:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

Speaksoftly, Hillery, Diane, Nancy and Ralph all voted to send us, I guess you can start by cleaning your own house.

#46 | Posted by docnjo at 2014-05-21 02:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

kaput -- is that Russian for 'reset?'

#47 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-05-21 03:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

Speaksoftly, Hillery, Diane, Nancy and Ralph all voted to send us, I guess you can start by cleaning your own house.

#46 | Posted by docnjo a

Funny how you can get people to vote for a war when you present them with cherry picked or false intelligence.

#48 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-05-21 03:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

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