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Wednesday, May 14, 2014

A Hinsdale Central High School student in Illinois is challenging a suspension he received for wearing a T-shirt that depicts an AK-47 to school. Senior Chris Borg, 18, wore a shirt with the outline of an AK-47, a URL for a Kentucky armory club that supports gun rights and the words "TeamAK" on it. The dean of students offered him the choice of turning the shirt inside out, wearing another shirt or being suspended for the day. "I decided to go home for the day because I felt it was a infringement of my First Amendment right to freedom of expression," Borg told the school board.

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Supt. Bruce Law said schools have the right to enforce rules on clothing worn by students. "Every school I've ever worked at has restrictions on what a student can wear when it's offensive or could be predicted to be offensive, when it promotes drugs, alcohol or violence," Law said.

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Haven't we already gone over this once? Didn't we decide that yes a school can have a dress code?

#1 | Posted by TwoCents at 2014-05-14 06:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

"because I felt it was a infringement of my First Amendment right to freedom of expression"

Apparently a career in law is not in your future, junior.

#2 | Posted by Harry_Powell at 2014-05-14 06:21 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 2

Sounds like the school wasn't so much enforcing any dress code. They just didn't like the message his shirt was broadcasting. Without knowing more, I think this was a 1st Amendment violation.

#3 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-05-14 06:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

Haven't we already gone over this once? Didn't (we) decide that yes a school can have a dress code?

What's this we? Do you have a dead bird in your pocket?

The school team mascot is a devil holding a trident.

Looks like the school stepped on it's d***. Chris Borg is smart and well spoken I'd like to see how this plays out.

FTA- He also pointed out that the school's team mascot, which is a Devil, holds a trident, which is a weapon.

rwd

#4 | Posted by rightwingdon at 2014-05-14 06:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

This student chose suspension and now he's complaining about that?

Chris Borg is smart and well spoken I'd like to see how this plays out.

It's likely to play out with Borg losing. School officials have broad powers to regulate student attire to prevent disruption, as long as the rules are viewpoint neutral.

#5 | Posted by rcade at 2014-05-14 06:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

Rcade, does it really seem to you that this school's 'policy' is viewpoint neutral?

#6 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-05-14 06:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

Maybe the ACLU will take his case.

#7 | Posted by Harry_Powell at 2014-05-14 06:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

I think this was a 1st Amendment violation.
#3 | Posted by moder8

It might be if he had a First Amendment right.
He doesn't.
Bong Hits 4 Jesus!

#8 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-05-14 06:52 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

He should of worn a flag of Mozambique shirt.

#9 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2014-05-14 07:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

I think this was a 1st Amendment violation.
#3 | Posted by moder8

I think not counselor.

18 year olds that are still in school are in that no mans land between adult and childhood.

The supreme court has said that students' rights must be considered against the "special characteristics of the school environment."

Tinker v. Des Moines Independent Community School Dist.

Speech that substantially disrupts school activities, for example, is not protected by the First Amendment.

Bong hits for Jesus!

#10 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-05-14 07:07 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

A shirt with a picture of an AK-47 "disrupts school activities"? Wow. America really is turning fascist.

#11 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-05-14 07:20 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

I don't live far from this school, my nephews graduated from Hinsdale.

I hope this kid gets to sue, and wins.

I'm going to keep an eye on this story, to see how it goes.

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#12 | Posted by Roy_Batty at 2014-05-14 07:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

Speech that substantially disrupts school activities, for example, is not protected by the First Amendment.
Bong hits for Jesus!

#10 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

How did the shirt "substantially disrupt school activity"......

If the rules are written then ok. But seems to me this is nothing but a club T-Shirt.

Though it has a weapon on it, so does as the student claims, the mascot....

Should we stop students from wearing Flag shirts, or MJ leaf shirts, to school too?

I really find this a bit out there but hey we are all so sensitive these days.....

#13 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-05-14 07:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

So. with all the incidents of guns being used to massacre kids and teachers in schools, a tee like this is supposed to be OK with the school?

Some people haven't got the sense God gave Special Eddie. Which ain't much.

#14 | Posted by Corky at 2014-05-14 07:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Supt. Bruce Law said the T-shirt is a violation of the dress code outlined in the school's handbook.

The handbook states that students are subject to disciplinary action when they wear clothing that "is deemed vulgar, inappropriate, unsafe or disruptive to the educational process (e.g., advertising/display of alcohol, drugs, tobacco, sexual innuendo)."

And the gun club is in another state.

#15 | Posted by Corky at 2014-05-14 07:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

In my high school a kid was suspended for wearing a Trojan Condoms t-shirt.
Where were all you gun nuts then?

#16 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-05-14 07:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

A shirt with a picture of an AK-47 "disrupts school activities"?

How does a sign that says "Bong Hits for Jesus" "disrupt school activities"?

Btw- the "bong hits for Jesus" guy just got a 45,000 settlement from the Juneau School Board so maybe this guy is on to something.

blogs.wsj.com

#17 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-05-14 08:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

How does a sign that says "Bong Hits for Jesus" "disrupt school activities"?

People laughing and joking at the fun being poked at the Jesus freaks, and the Jesus freaks getting all offended by the implication that their ISF's spawn has bong hits being done in His name.

It's not that hard to figure out

#18 | Posted by goatman at 2014-05-14 08:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

People laughing and joking at the fun being poked at the Jesus freaks, and the Jesus freaks getting all offended by the implication that their ISF's spawn has bong hits being done in His name.

It's not that hard to figure out

#18 | Posted by goatman

or in other words...encouraging a lively debate on the subject.

Well, if that is considered "disrupting school activities" then I bet you can also figure out how an AK-47, a weapon that has been used in killing children in numerous schools including Sandy Hook, could also possibly "disrupt school activities".

#19 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-05-14 08:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

AK-47, a weapon that has been used in killing children in numerous schools including Sandy Hook, could also possibly "disrupt school activities".

#19 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY AT 2014-05-14 08:23 PM | FLAG:

Incorrect. No AK-47 at Sandy Hook. It has been used in no school massacres at all. There's been 2 incidents at colleges with it, 1 suicide, 1 murder-suicide (fired staff, workplace violence). It's most famous as a world wide symbol of resistance, and is a part of some nations flag.

The AR-15 was used in the Colorado theater shooting (jammed, ditched for a pistol) and Sandy Hook. It's the most common rifle for modern sport shooting.

The vast majority of shootings, and indeed massacres, are done with pistols. Far lighter, easy to use, high capacity magazines, easily concealable. It's far more suited to ambushing and murdering a bunch of trapped, non-resisting people than a rifle will ever be.

#21 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2014-05-14 08:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

I could respect the schools more on this if they were more honest about their reasons (forcing their political views and/or fear of lawyers).

#22 | Posted by USAF242 at 2014-05-14 09:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

Kid wanted attention. He got it. No problem.

#23 | Posted by REDIAL at 2014-05-14 09:29 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Why are so many conservatives defending the display of a Communist rifle?
It's bad enough he had a picture of a gun but why did it have to be a Communist gun?

#24 | Posted by danni at 2014-05-14 09:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I bet you can also figure out how an AK-47, a weapon that has been used in killing children in numerous schools including Sandy Hook, could also possibly "disrupt school activities"."

You need to hire a new research assistant dude.

And cars kill more teenagers than guns. Are you next going to suggest that students wearing Chevy T-Shirts are being disruptive? How many kids die in bicycle accidents each year? I don't know, but I'm guess more than died at Sandy Hook. So should we scratch anything related to bicycles off the approved list as well? Oh, and I'm pretty sure that both Adam Lanza and the Columbine twins were identified as having been heavily influenced by video games. So let's remove them as well. Another thing. Those Che Guevara T-Shirts. Che was a murdering terrorist. In what world should a school condone the wear of a Che Guevara T-short any more than they would a Hitler or OBL shirt?

#25 | Posted by madbomber at 2014-05-14 10:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

The selective outrage is outrageous!

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-05-14 10:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

Haven't we already gone over this once? Didn't we decide that yes a school can have a dress code?

#1 | Posted by TwoCents

Do you suppose that it is published that you can't have an AK on your shirt?

#27 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-05-14 10:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

It sounds like he's succeeded in creating the disruption the school officials were worried about.

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-05-14 10:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

"The school team mascot is a devil holding a trident."

A mythical being isn't the same as a modern weapon.

#29 | Posted by klifferd at 2014-05-15 12:13 AM | Reply | Flag:

I don't know, Kliff.

I would argue that be it real or imagined, the LightSaber is the greatest weapon of all time.

My point being: Don't disparage the trident.

#30 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-05-15 12:16 AM | Reply | Flag:

"...the LightSaber is the greatest weapon of all time."

I thought it was second-hand smoke?

#31 | Posted by REDIAL at 2014-05-15 12:17 AM | Reply | Flag:

"...the LightSaber is the greatest weapon of all time."

I thought it was second-hand smoke?

You're both wrong. It's the Five Point Palm Exploding Heart Technique

#32 | Posted by goatman at 2014-05-15 12:25 AM | Reply | Flag:

-cars kill more teenagers than guns.

As if cars were designed as weapons.

Don't get him started on sticks...

#33 | Posted by Corky at 2014-05-15 12:25 AM | Reply | Flag:

LightSabers cut clean and cauterize flesh, Redial.

That you would make a cigarette reference just goes to show how horrible a person you are.

You should feel shame.

#34 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-05-15 12:25 AM | Reply | Flag:

LightSabers cut clean and cauterize flesh, Redial.

So you're a fan of the chainsaw attachment to replace amputated hands?

#35 | Posted by jpw at 2014-05-15 03:12 AM | Reply | Flag:

As if cars were designed as weapons.

So the object that is designed to be a weapon kills less than an object designed for a different purpose...

What's that tell you about the priority of you nanny tendencies?

#36 | Posted by jpw at 2014-05-15 03:14 AM | Reply | Flag:

Why are so many conservatives defending the display of a Communist rifle?
It's bad enough he had a picture of a gun but why did it have to be a Communist gun?

#24 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2014-05-14 09:51 PM | FLAG:

It's just a type of rifle. They are manufactured in Texas, Florida, and many other states. Those are typically far higher quality (and price) than the "commie" built rifles.

#37 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2014-05-15 07:38 AM | Reply | Flag:

It could be worse

#38 | Posted by goatman at 2014-05-15 08:14 AM | Reply | Flag:

Don't disparage the trident.

#30 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2014-05-15 12:16 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

www.nouse.co.uk

#39 | Posted by Nixon at 2014-05-15 08:14 AM | Reply | Flag:

Rcade, does it really seem to you that this school's 'policy' is viewpoint neutral?

If the school bans all attire showing depictions of guns, yes. An example of non-neutrality would be if his shirt got banned and an anti-gun violence shirt was allowed.

#40 | Posted by rcade at 2014-05-15 09:12 AM | Reply | Flag:

"As if cars were designed as weapons."

Tridents were designed as weapons. And they appear on the official school T-shirt.

#41 | Posted by madbomber at 2014-05-15 09:35 AM | Reply | Flag:

Tridents were designed as weapons

No they weren't. They were designed to pitch hay. Their team name is "The Hayseeds"

#42 | Posted by goatman at 2014-05-15 09:40 AM | Reply | Flag:

Nobody is really offended by such a shirt. As a society, we need to stop encouraging drama queens who can't mind their own business. The kid's shirt wasn't going to truly bother anyone.

#43 | Posted by Sully at 2014-05-15 09:41 AM | Reply | Flag:

It's funny what schools allow and don't allow.

When I was in HS, no facial hair was allowed. Sideburns had to be above the ears. Hair couldn't be over the ears or touching the collar. (this rule changed in my senior year)

Yet it wasn't unusual to see a farmboy's pickup in the student parking lot with a gun rack cradling a rifle or shotgun.

#44 | Posted by goatman at 2014-05-15 09:47 AM | Reply | Flag:

Yet it wasn't unusual to see a farmboy's pickup in the student parking lot with a gun rack cradling a rifle or shotgun.

Nobody was shooting up a school back then. It was a lot easier to see a gun in a student's car as innocuous.

#45 | Posted by rcade at 2014-05-15 10:09 AM | Reply | Flag:

Nobody was shooting up a school back then. It was a lot easier to see a gun in a student's car as innocuous.

You're right and I understood that when I put the post up. I was just noting differences in attitudes with guns and hair length at school. Looking back, I think it's hilarious that as late as 1973 PHS had hair codes almost as strict as the military.

I don't remember any particular dress codes as far as images on clothes, but message bearing Tshirts had not made the scene yet, except for team logo type shirts. I do remember the boys couldn't wear shorts and a girl's skirt had to touch the ground when she knelt.

#46 | Posted by goatman at 2014-05-15 10:14 AM | Reply | Flag:

The student doesn't have a free speech case. The school is stupid for sending him home. Both sides are wrong. When you consider how littel common sense teachers and school officials have you don't have to wonder why our students are behind.

#47 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-05-15 10:19 AM | Reply | Flag:

-Tridents

Yes, the recent parade of mass killings in schools by tridents means they should change logos.

#48 | Posted by Corky at 2014-05-15 11:10 AM | Reply | Flag:

Recent parade? What a drama queen.

#49 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-05-15 11:28 AM | Reply | Flag:

"No they weren't. They were designed to pitch hay. Their team name is "The Hayseeds"

Then I can only surmise that this is because the article in question is a pitchfork. I can promise you that the "Trident" emblem worn by Navy SEALs isn't there because SEALs are known for their ability to pitch hay.

"Nobody was shooting up a school back then. It was a lot easier to see a gun in a student's car as innocuous."

Umm. No.

There have been lots and lots of school shootings. Going back to the late 1700s.

"en.wikipedia.org"

What has changed in the media coverage. Now thse sorts of events are a good way for ignored losers to get the attention they want.

"Looking back, I think it's hilarious that as late as 1973 PHS had hair codes almost as strict as the military."

My seven and eight year old still wear the ugliest uniforms you could imagine. And have very strict regulations on personal upkeep. I don't really have any problem with it. Maybe this school should just start making kids wear uniforms and get rid of controversy altogether.

#50 | Posted by madbomber at 2014-05-15 11:32 AM | Reply | Flag:

-Recent parade?

Not an English major.

#51 | Posted by Corky at 2014-05-15 11:40 AM | Reply | Flag:

The 1970s was actually worse with respect to school shootings. That in a time when one could still buy machine guns.

And the worst school massacre occurred in 1927. 45 killed. Bomb.

#52 | Posted by madbomber at 2014-05-15 11:46 AM | Reply | Flag:

The school is stupid for sending him home.

I don't think the school is wrong to send him home. They gave him two other choices to avoid suspension: Turn his shirt inside out or switch to another shirt. That's a reasonable policy.

The 1970s was actually worse with respect to school shootings.

This is factually incorrect. We didn't start having mass school shootings with large body counts until the 1989 elementary school shooting in Stockton, California.

#53 | Posted by rcade at 2014-05-15 11:57 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"And cars kill more teenagers than guns."

Cars are not used in mass shootings of children in schools. Wearing an image of a weapon (even similiar to that) used in mass killings in a school setting in the present political environment is insensitive at best and potentially disruptive at worse.

Hence the policy.


#54 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-05-15 12:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Shootings"... should be... "killings"

#55 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-05-15 12:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

"They gave him two other choices to avoid suspension: Turn his shirt inside out or switch to another shirt. That's a reasonable policy."

How is that reasonable? He had a shirt on. There was nothing wrong with the shirt. These people decided to screw with him without reason and he decided not to play along. He's the only rationally acting person in the story.

#56 | Posted by Sully at 2014-05-15 12:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

"He's the only rationally acting person in the story."

You can't be serious.

The kid wore the shirt knowing full well the reaction it would get, and knowing full well it was against policy.

He's a Cliven Bundy type of fool, and got the attention he was looking for.

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#57 | Posted by Dave at 2014-05-15 12:46 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

One supposes that if it is OK for him to wear the shirt when he did, it would have been OK for a student at Columbine to wear it the day after that event.

The school is closest to these things, and they have stated rules.

#58 | Posted by Corky at 2014-05-15 12:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

"The kid wore the shirt knowing full well the reaction it would get, and knowing full well it was against policy."

That doesn't make the policy any more rational. People are lauded all the time for breaking stupid rules in order to expose abuses of authority. Now all the sudden it is wrong to do so because you happen to not like his politics?

"He's a Cliven Bundy type of fool, and got the attention he was looking for."

He's not stealing from the public or threatening anyone or making racist remarks on morning TV - which are all the things that make Bundy unpopular.

But other than that, yeah he's exactly like Bundy. He's got two eyes, ten fingers, two ears - the similarities are endless!!

#59 | Posted by Sully at 2014-05-15 01:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

#59 | Posted by Sully

It's not politics, it's pragmatism.

I guess it's safe to assume that you haven't spent any time in a public high school environment recently.

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#60 | Posted by Dave at 2014-05-15 01:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

What harm can a gun printed on a t shirt do?

#61 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-05-15 01:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

"What harm can a gun printed on a t shirt do?"

Try sending your kid to school with one and find out.

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#62 | Posted by Dave at 2014-05-15 01:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

"What harm can a gun printed on a t shirt do?"

It's not about harm, Sully, it's all about PC and total control. He
shoulda worn his Che Gueverra tee shirt, that woulda been alright.

#63 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-05-15 01:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

Try sending your kid to school with one and find out.

Why don't you just say you have no idea what harm a t shirt with a gun on it can do?

#64 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-05-15 01:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

These school officials have gotten worse over time. When you hear stories of a young boy being sent home for fashioning his hand like a gun which every little boy has dones since guns were invented. Or like the story of the boy who was sent home b/c he bit his sandwich into the shape of a gun start to question the people educating our children. You anti gun whack jobs are some of the most sensitive people I've ever seen.

#65 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-05-15 01:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Why don't you just say you have no idea what harm a t shirt with a gun on it can do?"

Why don't you try discussing the issue with your local high school principal and see what he/she has to say about it.

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#66 | Posted by Dave at 2014-05-15 01:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's not politics, it's pragmatism.

I guess it's safe to assume that you haven't spent any time in a public high school environment recently.

#60 | Posted by Dave at 2014-05-15 01:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

No, not in a while. When I was in high school, I was not one who would get myself in trouble just to make a point. But there were plenty of rules that I found stupid and I just didn't follow them because I didn't want to - whether I was allowed to leave campus for lunch, where I could park, mandatory pep rally attendence, etc. I wasn't breaking the rules to prove a point, I was just doing what I wanted to do. Certain teachers were sticklers for this stuff but most just found it pragmatic to look the other given that I was a "good kid" otherwise.

Things may have chagned since then but I don't see how making a bid deal over harmless shirt is "pragmatic".

#67 | Posted by Sully at 2014-05-15 01:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

The tee shirt is symbolic of people who believe such weapons should be easy to access, enhanced to kill, and toted around in public... and everything else the NRA stand for.

The kids and teachers know that.

#68 | Posted by Corky at 2014-05-15 01:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Things may have chagned since then but I don't see how making a bid deal over harmless shirt is "pragmatic"."

This may come as a surprise to you, but kids are no longer allowed to wear a shirt that depicts to pigs screwing with caption "makin' bacon', either.

Or a shirt that shows a bloody coat hanger stuck up a females' privates.

It may seem silly, but there's a good reason kids aren't allowed to wear anything they want to school.

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#69 | Posted by Dave at 2014-05-15 01:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

"tee shirt is symbolic of people who believe such weapons should be easy to access, enhanced to kill, and toted around in public... "

Which are all legal.

#70 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-05-15 01:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

#70

Not for kids in school.... well, the NRA is still working on that.

#71 | Posted by Corky at 2014-05-15 01:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

Except the guy wasn't carrying a gun at school.

#72 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-05-15 01:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

He was symbolically, virtually, carrying a gun on his shirt.

Which symbolism is not lost on teachers, kids, and parents the way it is on gun divas.

Had nothing been said to this kid and he eventually ended up becoming a shooter, the outrage against the school for dismissing his actions as possible trouble signs would be loud.

#73 | Posted by Corky at 2014-05-15 02:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

It may seem silly, but there's a good reason kids aren't allowed to wear anything they want to school.

#69 | Posted by Dave at 2014-05-15 01:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

I didn't say they should be allowed to wear whatever they want. I said t-shirt with a gun on it is harmless and there is no reason to ban it.

#74 | Posted by Sully at 2014-05-15 02:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

require all Students to wear Red, White and Blue School Uniforms. If they dont want to say the pledge, then make them look like the flag. God bless America

#75 | Posted by cmbell73 at 2014-05-15 02:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

"He was symbolically, virtually, carrying a gun on his shirt."

See? Look at the insane lengths people will go to in order to pretend there is a problem here. "Symbolically" carrying a gun? Its as if you somehow have no idea why guns are not allowed at school in the first place. It has nothing to do with symbolism.

#76 | Posted by Sully at 2014-05-15 02:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

Hence the policy.

Yet the policy is not clear on this point. It is what staff "deems" offensive or disruptive. Are all political messages offensive or disruptive?

#77 | Posted by et_al at 2014-05-15 02:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

What harm can a gun printed on a t shirt do?

It could create a disruption to allow students to wear attire that shows gun or another weapons. Other students could interpret the shirt as a threat, and though you may find that ridiculous, if school officials believe that, it is reasonable for them to make rules to prevent it -- as long as the rules are consistent and evenly applied.

Also, if a shirt contains political expression that might lead to arguments or fights, a school could use the dress code to avoid that as well.

#78 | Posted by rcade at 2014-05-15 02:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

Also, if a shirt contains political expression that might lead to arguments or fights, a school could use the dress code to avoid that as well.

#78 | POSTED BY RCADE

So wearing a mexico shirt on Cinco De Mayo should be avoided? It certainly leads to arguments and fights....

#79 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-05-15 02:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

Are all political messages offensive or disruptive?

#77 | Posted by et_al

I think there does have to be some proof of disruption to the learning process.

But, you cannot allow one political message without allowing all. It is my understanding the policies are written in an attempt to be neutral.

If you are strongly for supporting guns you probably think this message is ok in a school..but others obviously disagree.

What about allowing a Bush is a Terrorist T-shirt? I bet some think it's ok while others are offended. Will it disrupt a class on any given day?

Hard to say. Which is why they tend to prohibit all political statements now.

#80 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-05-15 02:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Other students could interpret the shirt as a threat, and though you may find that ridiculous, if school officials believe that, it is reasonable for them to make rules to prevent it"

If he's not expressing any intention to do someone harm, then in reality he's not making a threat. It isn't reasonable for anyone to assume that a picture on a t-shirt is a threat. It isn't even likely that anyone who claims to feel threatened by it is being sincere.

So why is it "reasonable" for the school to cater to people who are either being totally irrational or insincere or both?

Putting aside that any claim of feeling threatened is likely bogus and assuming anyone who complains is totally serious: Wouldn't it be more reasonable to teach that student what contitutes a real threat and not to overreact to harmless pictures on t-shirt? What's going to happen to such a hysterical youngster when they get into the real world and see all kinds of pictures on t-shirts? "OMG, a tiger on a t-shirt. That guy wants to EAT me!"

#81 | Posted by sully at 2014-05-15 02:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

Also, if a shirt contains political expression that might lead to arguments or fights, a school could use the dress code to avoid that as well.

Yes, and I had no problem with the school that banned flags because they had previously had a problem. Is there a history, that this school can refer to, of this type shirt being a problem or is the staff arbitrarily using the ability to "deem" a message offensive or disruptive because the staff doesn't like or agree with the particular message?

#82 | Posted by et_al at 2014-05-15 02:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

Which is why they tend to prohibit all political statements now.

Therein lies the rub. While schools are given great deference it is equally clear that First Amendment rights are not lost when a student enters the campus. It is also beyond question that political speech is at the core of the First Amendment and is given virtually unrestricted leeway.

#83 | Posted by et_al at 2014-05-15 03:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

So wearing a mexico shirt on Cinco De Mayo should be avoided? It certainly leads to arguments and fights...

At a school where attire about Cinco De Mayo and attire with American flags on them have sparked fights among students, I have no problem with school officials banning attire related to either one.

A school official's No. 1 job is to provide a safe, non-disruptive environment where students can be educated. I give broad latitude to public school officials enacting rules to avoid potential disruption.

#84 | Posted by rcade at 2014-05-15 03:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

Is there a history, that this school can refer to, of this type shirt being a problem or is the staff arbitrarily using the ability to "deem" a message offensive or disruptive because the staff doesn't like or agree with the particular message?

I think the Supreme Court case Tinker v. Des Moines requires that school officials either point to a history of problems or provide some other rationale for why they fear the attire becoming a problem.

Here, given the seriousness of school shootings, I would expect a court to be sympathetic to a school official who said "we ban all shirts with guns and all other weapons on them because we believe they might be perceived as a threat."

But there are probably schools all over the country, particularly in rural areas, that allow shirts with guns on them.

#85 | Posted by rcade at 2014-05-15 03:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

"OMG, a tiger on a t-shirt. That guy wants to EAT me!"

Awesome. Thanks for the much-needed laugh.

#86 | Posted by pragmatist at 2014-05-15 03:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

Found this at the URL shown on the shirt.

Hello boys and girls! Chris Borg here, they tried arguing that it was unsafe and disruptive but as per Des Moines vs. Tinker the SCOTUS ruled students have a right to free speech. I proved that today (5/14) when I was called to the principals office. I got there and our principal is the nicest and most respectful man I have met so far in my 18 years. I'm not kidding he was extremely understanding and helpful. He then told me that they had expunged the suspension from my record and that they wanted my help in drafting a new dress code regarding firearms and weapons. I tried to and believe I did keep the argument respectful, clean, and true to the scout oath and law. What I found humorous is that the same school that taught me to think independently and when I do that they reprimand me! Don't get me wrong HC is the best high school on the planet but in my opinion they made a mistake and they fixed it. Never let someone tell you that a school handbook takes superiority over the Constitution of the United States. The Constitution is my dress code, always has been and always will be. Thanks for all of your support!
Way to go, kid.

#87 | Posted by et_al at 2014-05-15 03:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

That resolution is far too reasonable. What the hell are we supposed to argue about now? Bummer.

#88 | Posted by rcade at 2014-05-15 03:56 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 2

What the hell are we supposed to argue about now? Bummer.

There's this:

"OMG, a tiger on a t-shirt. That guy wants to EAT me!"

Which is a lot funnier but just as absurd.

#89 | Posted by et_al at 2014-05-15 04:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

That resolution is far too reasonable. What the hell are we supposed to argue about now? Bummer.

#88 | Posted by rcade at 2014-05-15 03:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

Do you prefer chocolate or vanilla?

Oh man, I just hope some idiot says "vanilla".....

#90 | Posted by Sully at 2014-05-15 04:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Do you prefer chocolate or vanilla?"

Strawberry.

#91 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-05-15 04:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

Do you prefer chocolate or vanilla?

Vanilla, definitely vanilla. Oh, and check your privilege.

#92 | Posted by et_al at 2014-05-15 04:38 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

#90 | POSTED BY SULLY

Both, especially in a milkshake. :)

#93 | Posted by Lohocla at 2014-05-15 04:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Both, especially in a milkshake."

I tried that once. But due to a sudden influx of adolescent males on my lawn i had to cease any further attempts.

#94 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-05-15 04:44 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 2

Way to go, kid.

#87 | Posted by et_al

They talked it out and came to a compromise?

I don't believe it.

That is completely insane.

#95 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-05-15 05:35 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Wait, a reasonable administrator? Bizarre.

#96 | Posted by pragmatist at 2014-05-15 05:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

Oh the horrors. Next thing you know some kid will be kicked out of school for a killer fart.

#97 | Posted by mcmlcxx at 2014-05-16 11:58 AM | Reply | Flag:

97: Gas chamber?

#98 | Posted by pragmatist at 2014-05-16 12:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

"because I felt it was a infringement of my First Amendment right to freedom of expression"
Apparently a career in law is not in your future, junior.
#2 | Posted by Harry_Powell

Because all T-Shirts with messages were not banned, then it is most definitely the school breaking the law. A school administrator can't just break the law just because she feels that she has the support of public opinion (which to her surprise is not the case). These school officials are so misled by the piers morgans and the MS-NBC's and the other IRS-approved non-profit Libby activist groups and then get phone calls from angry parents that snaps them back into a moderate-I'd-better-mind-my-
own-business attitude again.

#99 | Posted by LastAmerican at 2014-05-16 12:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

Next thing you know some kid will be kicked out of school for a killer fart.

I almost was in sixth grade. I quite literally cleared the classroom. The teacher left first, then the students having no teacher to stop them, followed. I was sent to the office after the air cleared. The principal said next time I did that I would be sent home until I "felt better".

#100 | Posted by goatman at 2014-05-16 12:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

Goat you should have said who ever smelt it dealt it.

#101 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-05-16 12:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

Goat you should have said who ever smelt it dealt it.

It would have fit. It was indeed powerful enough that it could have been the combined effort of a class of 25. I was quite proud of that one, I must admit.

#102 | Posted by goatman at 2014-05-16 01:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

#100 | Posted by goatman

I sense a great deal of pride in that post.

.

#103 | Posted by Dave at 2014-05-16 01:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

I sense a great deal of pride in that post.

What gave it away? The followup post where I said I was quite proud? LOL

#104 | Posted by goatman at 2014-05-16 01:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

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