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A new Harvard study implicates two pesticides, imidacloprid and clothianidin, in the ongoing plague of honeybee Colony Collapse Disorder, which is transforming bee colonies around the world into ghost towns. Imidacloprid is the most widely used pesticide in the world and like clothianidin has been approved by the EPA. The finding may point to "the impairment of honey bee neurological functions, specifically memory, cognition, or behavior, as the results from the chronic sublethal neonicotinoid exposure," suggest researchers.

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The DDT of our time.

#1 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-05-10 11:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

My GF and her business partner (another midwife) have lots of bee hives. She has noticed a decrease in activity, but they are still doing well. I still get honey from them for $10/qt, about a third the price you find 60 miles to the south in Dallas.

#2 | Posted by goatman at 2014-05-11 12:00 AM | Reply | Flag:

We have scattered clover seeds over the 2/3 acre where we live and have quite a few honey bees - just doing what we can to help.

#3 | Posted by MSgt at 2014-05-11 01:03 AM | Reply | Flag:

The honey bee issue has been going on for a number of years, with periodic declarations that the 'cause' has been discovered.

So I've come to be a little skeptical of the latest declarations that the 'cause' has been isolated. But having said that, the issue IS happening, and the issue had a START, so it is obvious that something, or some combination of 'somethings' is causing it.

Normally such issues are pretty cut and dry on cause, which makes this one highly unusual. Still, I do have confidence that eventually the actual cause (or causes) will be correctly defined. Perhaps this latest study is the correct one.

Personally I suspect it is a multiple cause issue, due to the length of time it has been going on without a definitive cause being identified. If the cause is simple, it would be freakishly unusual (although not impossible) for it not to have been discovered earlier, especially given the money involved.

#4 | Posted by USAF242 at 2014-05-11 01:05 AM | Reply | Flag:

So, now that big agriculture might suffer from any attempt to remedy the problem, I guess we can look forward to the GOP and Fox News claiming that anthropogenic colony collapse disorder is a hoax foisted upon us by scientists attempting to justify their research budgets.

#5 | Posted by censored at 2014-05-11 01:24 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

#2 ~ i am glad your GF & her business partner have colonies that are doing well; i love honey bees & of course honey. My brother, an avid bread baker, who lives 20 miles south of Dallas in a geodesic mansion he built, would go for that honey i know.

#6 | Posted by kenx at 2014-05-11 01:40 AM | Reply | Flag:

Cool creatures. I grew up with bees. My grandfather had about half a dozen or so colonies in back yard. I participated in all the caring and harvesting. Stung, when screwing up, many times. Never dissuaded me from the product.

And Goat, ten bucks a quart? What a deal. I recently paid $9.50 for about a pint jar of local honey (actually sold by weight, 24oz.) at the feed store. I'm not a fan of grocery store honey.

#7 | Posted by et_al at 2014-05-11 02:48 AM | Reply | Flag:

Thought it was cell phones...

7 bucks here for local 5"x 5" chunks of raw honey comb....excellent on toast.

#8 | Posted by Greatamerican at 2014-05-11 03:05 AM | Reply | Flag:

"My brother, an avid bread baker, who lives 20 miles south of Dallas in a geodesic mansion he built..."

LOL. I love posts like that.

#9 | Posted by REDIAL at 2014-05-11 03:10 AM | Reply | Flag:

raw honey comb

Comb is the best, honey chewing gum. Excellent.

#10 | Posted by et_al at 2014-05-11 03:19 AM | Reply | Flag:

Didn't another university claim it was global warming killing the bees?

#11 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-05-11 08:00 AM | Reply | Flag:

Comb is the best, honey chewing gum. Excellent.

An easy to make and use beehive. Coolest part is the bees fill the jars for you, and it can be used anywhere -- even in the middle of suburbia.

removeandreplace.com

#12 | Posted by goatman at 2014-05-11 08:30 AM | Reply | Flag:

GOTP will certainly defend chemical usage---big money vs bees, bees are dead.

ANd given the fact that European Union has banned those pesticides, it'll become a US vs them climate issue.

Enjoy honey while you can. Upside is it never goes bad so load up.

#13 | Posted by 88120rob at 2014-05-11 09:24 AM | Reply | Flag:

GOTP will certainly defend chemical usage---big money vs bees, bees are dead

Yeah because agribusiness only donate to republicans. Get your head out of the sand.

#14 | Posted by danv at 2014-05-11 12:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

Enjoy honey while you can. Upside is it never goes bad so load up.

A complete loss of bees will have much greater consequences than a honey shortage IIRC.

#15 | Posted by jpw at 2014-05-11 12:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

Who would have thought? Spraying the planet with massive amounts of poison causes massive ecological damage. I'm shocked and appalled.

#16 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-05-11 01:31 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"GOTP will certainly defend chemical usage---big money vs bees, bees are dead."

Obama is pretty cozy with Monsanto. You're partisan outrage is misplaced.

#17 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-05-11 01:34 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Probably a more urgent issue than equally real global warming. God only knows what chemicals are causing cancers in all of us.

#18 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-05-11 01:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

**** MONSANTO...How Come These Bastards Aren't in Prison???

#19 | Posted by AntiCadillac at 2014-05-11 02:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

Monsanto is just one piece of Rockefeller fortune.

#20 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-05-11 02:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

ALWAYS buy your honey from local producers.... here is why...

www.foodsafetynews.com">www.foodsafetynews.com

#1 DDT = "Silent Spring" by Rachel Carson" good book perhaps we need another best seller about bees and honey. Problem is, both are something we take for granted till they are both gone.

Might be a little nutty but I like bee's. Just not spring without them flying around.

#21 | Posted by Pegasus at 2014-05-11 03:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

So, now that big agriculture might suffer from any attempt to remedy the problem, I guess we can look forward to the GOP and Fox News claiming that anthropogenic colony collapse disorder is a hoax foisted upon us by scientists attempting to justify their research budgets.

#5 | Posted by censored

Exactly. Just like every other problem in the world, bee colony death is happening because it's the side effect of someone getting rich - in this case the pesticide makers - and deciding their profits are more important than the well being of others.

And just like every other problem in america - we can't fix the problem because the profiteers of the problem buy off elected representatives, contradict the scientific conclusions, and accuse people of being "socialist regulators" if they try to change their destructive practices.

This is what you get when you mix capitalism with private election funding - aka legalized bribery.

#22 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-05-11 04:20 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

"ALWAYS buy your honey from local producers.... here is why..."

Honey is not the issue. It's pollination fron bees, which agriculture is dependent on. Dumb conservatives just love to prove how scientifically illiterate they are.

#23 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-05-11 04:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

"ALWAYS buy your honey from local producers.... here is why..."

Honey is not the issue. It's pollination fron bees, which agriculture is dependent on. Dumb conservatives just love to prove how scientifically illiterate they are.

#23 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-05-11 04:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

How is this exactly related to conservatism? This just obfuscates the issues at hand. Many conservatives I know are scientifically literate, including myself.

Second, the article, nor can science can definitive state that pesticides are the problem. Nonetheless, over use of "-cides" of all varieties, is bound to bring problems.

I don't like European socialism being brought to America, but I do respect European food standards. We are what we eat.

#24 | Posted by danv at 2014-05-11 04:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

I don't like European socialism being brought to America, but I do respect European food standards. We are what we eat.

#24 | Posted by danv

If you respect european food standards, then you DO support socialism. Their food standards are a result of socialism - government acting in the interest of the people instead of corporations. If america were willing to do the same, we'd have better food, healthcare, education, etc etc etc.

#25 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-05-11 05:05 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

#25 - I see you point, but disagree.

The consumer can influence businesses by the power of there purchases and through the courts. (Albeit, the latter is far more difficult than it should be).

The way I propose is more difficult, slower, and requires individuals to band together in common interest, but it can be done, without yielding more power to a centralized federal government (which has lead to the deaths of tens of millions in the 20th century).

#26 | Posted by danv at 2014-05-11 05:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

The consumer can influence businesses by the power of there purchases and through the courts. (Albeit, the latter is far more difficult than it should be).

#26 | Posted by danv

If that was true then I could select more than 1 cable company in my area and they wouldn't be charging me 100 a month for crappy service.

Socialist countries have faster internet for cheaper. Health care for far cheaper. Education that doesn't bury their students in debt.

But in america, corporations all simply agree with each other to screw americans in the same way and then there's no where else to turn. Capitalism is awesome for those at the top. If you want to make life better for the majority of society, it has proven itself to be a failure.

#27 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-05-11 05:15 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Re #27 - Although we are getting off topic, I suppose.

I see capitalism as a great economic engine. It has been corrupted by rampant corporatism and corrupt politicians that enact legislation designed to limit competition, as well a citizenry that does not fight back. Capitalism has not failed; we the people and our elected officials have failed.

#28 | Posted by danv at 2014-05-11 05:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

I see capitalism as a great economic engine. It has been corrupted by rampant corporatism and corrupt politicians that enact legislation designed to limit competition, as well a citizenry that does not fight back. Capitalism has not failed; we the people and our elected officials have failed.

#28 | Posted by danv

Capitalism didn't fail. It did what it is designed to do - enrich those at the top. In order to make it work for everyone, it has to be modified through regulation, and its rewards need to be shared throughout society. Yin and Yang.

But republicans have succeeded in convincing their followers that all yin and no yang is the best approach. 30 years of reaganomics later, the middle class is screwed.

#29 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-05-11 05:38 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

RE #29 - We will have to agree to disagree. When everything is controlled by the state, only those within the state's apparatus will have power. The rest will just be serfs, as is done in North Korea.

#30 | Posted by danv at 2014-05-11 05:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

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RE #29 - We will have to agree to disagree. When everything is controlled by the state, only those within the state's apparatus will have power. The rest will just be serfs, as is done in North Korea.

#30 | Posted by danv

There's a wide margin between "everything controlled by the state" and corporate-controlled government, which we have now.

Germany seems to have struck a great balance.

Many socialist countries have higher standards of living and upward mobility than the united states.

#31 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-05-11 05:53 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Re #31 - You are correct about Germany; but we are not Germany nor do I wish to be, especially given the fact that Germany's current greatness is largely due to the US's action in WWII and during the Cold War.

Many socialist countries have higher standards of living and upward mobility than the united states.

Yes, that is true to some extent, but big business lining the pockets of politicians and corrupting the legal system, is the more likely cause, not capitalism itself.

But hey, enjoyable debate

#32 | Posted by danv at 2014-05-11 05:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

big business lining the pockets of politicians and corrupting the legal system, is the more likely cause, not capitalism itself.
#32 | Posted by danv

How in the world do you see that resulting in a higher standard of living and more upward mobility?
You think big business is bribing government to strengthen the welfare state?
Our country could use some of that kind of corruption.

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-05-11 06:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

#33 - I am not quite sure where you are going.

We have a great standard of living, it is largely, but not completely, do to our capitalist system.

You think big business is bribing government to strengthen the welfare state?

Not in general, I think elitists want an increased welfare state. They and their families stay in power, and we become serfs. This is a common thread throughout history, collectivism is not an exception.

Elitists are neither democrat nor republican, they are something else entirely; evil might be an apt description.

#34 | Posted by danv at 2014-05-11 07:13 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

To quote my favorite philosopher,

"The best slaves think they are free"

#35 | Posted by danv at 2014-05-11 07:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

Many people dont know that DDT was never proven to be unsafe it was ruled unsafe by a lawsuit, It was later proven to be safe.

It was my understand that they have been working on what was wrong with the bees for over 15 years and no one had been able to prove anything.

How did they come up with this when no one else can find anything.

Sounds like another scam to get the EPA to regulate something else.

#36 | Posted by tmaster at 2014-05-11 07:59 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

As long as big business is making money today, they do not care about the bees, environment, the weather or America tomorrow.

#37 | Posted by Robson at 2014-05-11 08:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

#33 - I am not quite sure where you are going.
We have a great standard of living, it is largely, but not completely, do to our capitalist system.

I wouldn't try to suggest otherwise.

Capitalism is a successful economic system, but society requires more than an economic system. That's where the welfare state comes in.

It's not really a controversial concept; German arch-conservative Otto von Bismark figured it out back when we were fighting over slavery.

#38 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-05-11 08:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

"How did they come up with this when no one else can find anything."

Perhaps the same way they came up with the airplane?

#39 | Posted by REDIAL at 2014-05-11 09:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yes, that is true to some extent, but big business lining the pockets of politicians and corrupting the legal system, is the more likely cause, not capitalism itself.

But hey, enjoyable debate

#32 | Posted by danv

Well I'd say that the corruption you describe is the natural direct result of capitalism. Corporations exist to maximize profit and in our system that requires buying off the government.

If you're going to say that corporations are people and money is speech, and elections are privately funded, then corporations buying off elections is the natural RESULT of capitalism.

Government could serve as the perfect force to BALANCE capitalism and make it sustainable and beneficial to all classes of people, but instead private election funding makes government work FOR the forces of capitalism that it should be keeping in check.

#40 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-05-11 09:19 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

Is Harvard still respectable?

#41 | Posted by Tor at 2014-05-11 10:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

Is Harvard still respectable?

#41 | Posted by Tor

The question is not whether Harvard is respectable, it is whether anyone that proceeds to graduate from there is respectable. Me thinks they have an overly arrogant and aloof belief in their own self worth, and not much at all in their own ethics.

#42 | Posted by Robson at 2014-05-11 10:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

Well I'd say that the corruption you describe is the natural direct result of capitalism

no matter the economic system, corruption will always exist, we are human.

Government could serve as the perfect force to BALANCE capitalism and make it sustainable and beneficial to all classes of people, but instead private election funding makes government work FOR the forces of capitalism that it should be keeping in check.

tell that to those that died under the USSR, cambodia, or china's revolution.

public funding of elections is a good idea, that we agree on.

#43 | Posted by danv at 2014-05-11 10:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

ROBSON the findings are coming from Harvard so the question remains:

Is Harvard still respectable?

#44 | Posted by Tor at 2014-05-11 11:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

"implicates two pesticides"

The accusation must be the truth if it condemns human activity.
Sam Shepard was 'implicated' in his wife's murder, too.

#45 | Posted by Diablo at 2014-05-11 11:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

tell that to those that died under the USSR, cambodia, or china's revolution.

What is this even supposed to mean, I wonder?

#46 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-05-11 11:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

The accusation must be the truth if it condemns human activity.

Beekeeping is a human activity too, numb nutz.

#47 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-05-11 11:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

tell that to those that died under the USSR, cambodia, or china's revolution.

public funding of elections is a good idea, that we agree on.

#43 | Posted by danv

Again, I don't know why suggestions of government protection against capitalism's collateral damages makes you jump to examples of extreme communism. There's a lot of other alternatives.

#48 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-05-12 01:09 AM | Reply | Flag:

"tell that to those that died under the USSR, cambodia, or china's revolution."

Tell it also to those that died when the nuclear facility at Fukishima was wrecked. Or when Three Mile Island melted down. Or when a fertilizer warehouse blew up in Texas. It seems that disasters really don't care what philosophy you adhere to.

#49 | Posted by danni at 2014-05-12 08:02 AM | Reply | Flag:

Many people dont know that DDT was never proven to be unsafe it was ruled unsafe by a lawsuit, It was later proven to be safe.

yes, proven "safe" by Monsanto.

This message brought to you by your good friends at Monsanto. We make DDT so yummy you can eat it and the bees love it, too!

#50 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-05-12 03:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

#49 - The number of dead isn't even comparable, 100 million dead to totalitarian regimes, all started in the name of helping the masses.

#48 - As I have said before, history is replete with examples of the dangers of a centralized political power in the hands of a few. From the Aztecs, to the romans, to the USSR.

Many seem to have the notion that it won't happen again, it won't happen here. Europe, please, those people do nothing but start wars, and they will do it again, because they never learn from there own history. Like we should follow their example, ha!

#51 | Posted by danv at 2014-05-12 07:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

. Europe, please, those people do nothing but start wars, and they will do it again, because they never learn from there own history. Like we should follow their example, ha!

As though we haven't already? We just don't have the balls to formally call them wars.

#52 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-05-12 08:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

. Europe, please, those people do nothing but start wars, and they will do it again, because they never learn from there own history. Like we should follow their example, ha!

As though we haven't already? We just don't have the balls to formally call them wars.

#53 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-05-12 08:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

#48 - As I have said before, history is replete with examples of the dangers of a centralized political power in the hands of a few. From the Aztecs, to the romans, to the USSR.

#51 | Posted by danv

History is also replete with examples of the dangers of centralized wealth, which is what unchecked capitalism leads to inevitably.

#54 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-05-12 09:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Many seem to have the notion that it won't happen again, it won't happen here. Europe, please, those people do nothing but start wars, and they will do it again, because they never learn from there own history. Like we should follow their example, ha!"

Another "holocaust" could cost million of lives but things like Fukushima could cost all the lives of all the humans on Earth, other threats too could bring similar results. NOt saying we shouldn't concern ourselves with genocide but the liklihood of that will only increase with each natural or man-made accidental disaster that makes food harder to find and some places uninhabitable.

#55 | Posted by danni at 2014-05-12 09:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

#55 - When it comes to fukosima and nuclear disasters in general, I can not disagree on the threat to life.

#54 - Unchecked wealth by itself is not that much of a threat, unchecked governmental power is; but the two are not mutually exclusive.

History not replete with unchecked capitalism, that is more modern. History is replete with elite political figures wanting to rule the world (or at least what they knew as the world). Wal-Mart, Exxon mobile, etc do not have standing armies, nuclear weapons, or a vast surveillance apparatus (except maybe google)

#56 | Posted by danv at 2014-05-12 09:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Wal-Mart, Exxon mobile, etc do not have standing armies, nuclear weapons, or a vast surveillance apparatus (except maybe google)"

Riiight. The wars in Vietnam, Iraq, S. America, the embargo of Cuba, the assasinations of Socialists in S. America including Allende of Chile were really because the population of the United STates was threatened.

#57 | Posted by danni at 2014-05-12 09:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Well I just might grow me some bees
But I'd leave the sweet stuff
For somebody else...
But then, on the other hand
I would keep the wax n' melt it down
Pluck some floss n' swish it aroun'
I'd have me a crop
And it'd be on top
That's why I'm movin' to Montana soon'"

Better hurry, Frank

#58 | Posted by goatman at 2014-05-12 09:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

Honey Bees.
Dying unfortunately
for the world
because with their demise
humans will be a memory
that no one is left to remember.

#59 | Posted by danni at 2014-05-12 10:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

History not replete with unchecked capitalism, that is more modern. History is replete with elite political figures wanting to rule the world (or at least what they knew as the world). Wal-Mart, Exxon mobile, etc do not have standing armies, nuclear weapons, or a vast surveillance apparatus (except maybe google)

#56 | Posted by danv

I didn't say it history was replete with unchecked capitalism, I said it's replete with unchecked wealth concentration, which is what capitalism leads to. There are many ways to get to extreme concentration, and capitalism is one sure-fire way to go.

Secondly, capitalism combined with private election funding means corporations CONTROL the government. So in that effect, yes, corporations DO have armies and spies and set their agendas.

#60 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-05-13 04:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

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