Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Saturday, May 10, 2014

Indre Viskontas and Chris Mooney, Mother Jones: If there's one cornerstone finding when it comes to the psychological underpinnings of prejudice, it's that out-and-out or "explicit" racists -- like [Donald] Sterling -- are just one part of the story. Perhaps far more common are cases of so-called "implicit" prejudice, where people harbor subconscious biases, of which they may not even be aware, but that come out in controlled psychology experiments. According to a research summary by Stanford University's Recruitment to Expand Diversity and Excellence program, "about 75 percent of whites and Asians demonstrated an implicit bias in favor of whites compared to blacks." In other words, despite your best intentions, you might be a little bit racist. (Similar unconscious biases have been documented in people's views of those of different genders, the elderly, and other groups.)

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So you're saying that it's okay to be racist.

#1 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2014-05-09 03:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

My black and asian son-in-law, my asian and white daughter, and their child would disagree.

#2 | Posted by Harry_Powell at 2014-05-09 03:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

So is this leading up to a "Let Shellie Sterling Keep The Clippers" thread?

#3 | Posted by Harry_Powell at 2014-05-09 03:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

Its always hard to know what to think of studies like this without seeing the actual pictures.

The "Not Voting for Obama" bullet point makes me suspicious of the this whole thing, to be honest.

#4 | Posted by Sully at 2014-05-09 03:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

#2 | POSTED BY HARRY_POWELL

Tell them to take the test and prove it.

#8 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-05-09 09:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

Tell them to take the test and prove it.

#8 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11

I was referring to myself being a "racist"

#18 | Posted by Harry_Powell at 2014-05-10 12:12 AM | Reply | Flag:

INteresting read. I wonder if the amygdala behaves in the same way for other prejudices like sexism, ageism etc.

#19 | Posted by goatman at 2014-05-10 12:20 AM | Reply | Flag:

I see a big difference between "racist" and "prejudice."

#21 | Posted by Twinpac at 2014-05-10 02:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

Any legitimate discussion of racism in general (as opposed to specific cases) needs to acknowledge it's something that's universal, regardless of race or whether it's in the majority or minorities.

#22 | Posted by sentinel at 2014-05-10 02:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

So you're saying that it's okay to be racist.
#1 | Posted by BruceBanner

It's natural to be racist, keeping with G-d's plan, etc. For example, supreme.justia.com

Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow,
malay and red, and he placed them on separate
continents. And but for the interference with his
arrangement there would be no cause for such marriages,
The fact that he separated the races shows that he did not
intend for the races to mix.

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-05-10 02:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

This is a questionable study, being that black males are seen more often on the local new charged with the majority of crimes, coupled with their negative portrayal in the entertainment industry. It is no wonder the subconscious has a bias, but I would not call that racism. That word is highly misused by people in an attempt to demonize someone.

#24 | Posted by danv at 2014-05-10 02:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

This is a questionable study...

You mean the study has limitations. Yes, if you look at the study itself, they note limitations. ALL studies have limitations.

#25 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-05-10 03:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's annoying when intellectual light weights misapply science to slander White people.

(Welcome to our situations Asians).

#26 | Posted by Tor at 2014-05-10 04:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

Bah. It has nothing to do with racism. People are genetically disposed to prefer people that they like and/or think are useful to them, and when your only view of a particular group of people comes from the fascist propaganda box that tells you that all them are thieving/lying/drug users, or in this case a bunch of religious nut balls, you tend to believe it [...].

Throw out your tv.

#27 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-05-10 06:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

Perhaps you should throw out your computer.

#28 | Posted by Harry_Powell at 2014-05-10 08:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

I object to being called "little"

#29 | Posted by sames1 at 2014-05-10 08:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

People are more comfortable with those similar to them. Nothing more.

How comfortable would "Larry the Cable Guy" be at the Opera?

#30 | Posted by sames1 at 2014-05-10 08:52 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

.... Home sweet Home?

**** If you want to bring it right down to HATE...the most HATE I've seen is in families between family members and after that the most Hate I've seen is between neighbors.I think that courtroom and social service records would show that the majority of abuse and violence in America is generated along these "familiar" lines!

#31 | Posted by AntiCadillac at 2014-05-10 09:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

I keep thinking of dwarves when I see this thread's title. Is that wrong?

#32 | Posted by sentinel at 2014-05-10 11:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

I guess this psychological theory is so powerful it's even overwhelmed and effected the Rev. Jesse Jackson:

" There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery. Then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved.... After all we have been through. Just to think we can't walk down our own streets, how humiliating."

-Jesse Jackson

Remarks at a meeting of Operation PUSH in Chicago (27 November 1993). Quoted in "Crime: New Frontier - Jesse Jackson Calls It Top Civil-Rights Issue" by Mary A. Johnson, 29 November 1993, Chicago Sun-Times (ellipsis in original). Partially quoted in US News & World Report (10 March 1996

#33 | Posted by shane at 2014-05-11 02:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

I object to being called "little"
#29 | Posted by sames1

Whose fault do you think it is if you were too lazy to grow up tall?

#34 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-05-11 03:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

#30 | Posted by sames1

A concept liberals cannot grasp. So much so, they would force Larry the cable guy to go to the opera and call him racist if he didn't say he liked it.

#35 | Posted by boaz at 2014-05-11 05:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

I want to ask a serious question:

We all know that liberals want everyone else to co-mingle with blacks. They all want integration. Ok..

But why is it, when blacks are left to their own devices as a race, they fail? Every other race in our nation generally rises, even when they form their own groups according to race, except blacks. And please don't say it's because whites have all the resources, because Asians (east and Chino Asians) and Mexicans seem to come here without a dime in their pockets and get well off within a generation...

Why is this? And I hope a liberal can answer this without resorting to racism..please...

#36 | Posted by boaz at 2014-05-11 05:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

But why is it, when blacks are left to their own devices as a race, they fail?

This is a fallacy that can only be believed by people who have no historical context and choose not to acquire one.

#37 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2014-05-11 05:25 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

In other words, as usual, you got nuthin..

I'm arguing that the regions that you seem to be referring to - you didn't give any specific example, so I'm assuming you're talking about African countries? - have been destabilized by outside forces for a very very long time.

Do you have a specific problem with a specific country you are talking about???

#40 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2014-05-11 06:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

But why is it, when blacks are left to their own devices as a race, they fail?

You're black.
Are you saying you succeeded by taking advantage of the devices of other races?
I guess then the answer is that the devices the blacks have aren't as good as the ones the whites have.

If you're wondering why it's that way, I would suggest one reason is that blacks were subjugated for centuries. First as slaves, then as second-class citizens. Only now do they enjoy on-paper legal equality, but still people such as yourself think blacks are inferior.

#41 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-05-11 06:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

Why is this? And I hope a liberal can answer this without resorting to racism..please...

#36 | Posted by boaz at 2014-05-11 05:14 PM | Reply | Flag

Though far from a liberal, as far as black Americans are concerned, I tend to think that our culture has something to do with it.

Perhaps, just speculating, that many black Americans feel disenfranchised due to the public education system, media, and politicians. Which gives many of them a sense of hopelessness and powerlessness; which ironically, is far from the truth.

To quote Rush, "the soft bigotry of low expectations"

#42 | Posted by danv at 2014-05-11 06:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

why is it, when blacks are left to their own devices as a race, they fail?

Boaz. Your logic is #1 in general, but today you posit #2. One can not hold both positions.

1. Blacks should take personal responsibility and better themselves.
2. Blacks are inherently inferior and thus, doomed to failure. Therefore, they need to have someone save them.

#43 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2014-05-11 07:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

Just to be fair, unfortunately, the justice system is negatively biased towards black Americans. Add in the crack epidemic, Vietnam, and the domestic drug war; it has not been as easy for black Americans to rise up economically as other Americans or immigrants.

#44 | Posted by danv at 2014-05-11 07:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

Are you saying you succeeded by taking advantage of the devices of other races?
I guess then the answer is that the devices the blacks have aren't as good as the ones the whites have.

No, our "devices" are the same today. I'm not talking about yesterday. The opportunity in the United States for all citizens is the same. Only liberals are telling blacks they are inferior. Not me.

#43 | Posted by BruceBanner

Bruce,

You cant tell me what I can and cant hold as far as positions. Do that to your brainwashed liberal black friends...

Your #2 incorrect. It's the liberal movement and democrats that are always telling blacks someone needs to save them..

#45 | Posted by boaz at 2014-05-11 07:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

Just to be fair, unfortunately, the justice system is negatively biased towards black Americans. Add in the crack epidemic, Vietnam, and the domestic drug war; it has not been as easy for black Americans to rise up economically as other Americans or immigrants.

I don't agree. If blacks weren't doing the crimes, they wouldn't be in the justice system.

Quite frankly, I think it's that simple, and in truth, it is that simple.

#46 | Posted by boaz at 2014-05-11 07:11 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

I'm just happy you're not Jewish Boaz.

#47 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2014-05-11 07:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

i posted news story late last year (?) of Black Shreveport police detective who noted the alarmingly higher incidents of violence in Black families / neighborhoods, with most disturbing stats involving violence to infants. i think Snoof's analysis above is valid; also that crack has taken a terrible toll. i've recently visited briefly with 2 Black strangers (one a child who panhandled for a quarter), who were both well mannered & personable. The adult for some reason volunteered that his mother was a crack addict while he was a child (he did not seem like an addict, but i had to wonder). Last week a young man on crack died of heat stroke here.

#48 | Posted by kenx at 2014-05-11 08:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

#49 ~ i meant to post, too, that anyone who is self aware & honest will admit he or she has some racism.

#49 | Posted by kenx at 2014-05-11 08:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

Did someone say little racist?

smyczynski.tumblr.com

rwd

#50 | Posted by rightwingdon at 2014-05-11 08:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

If blacks weren't doing the crimes, they wouldn't be in the justice system.

If blacks weren't doing anything wrong, they wouldn't have been found hanging from trees in large numbers up until a few decades ago.

"Being black" is what's wrong with being black.

#51 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-05-11 08:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

#46 -- NW, Boaz. Likewise, if men weren't doing most of the crimes, there wouldn't be a gender imbalance in the prisons, either,

#52 | Posted by goatman at 2014-05-11 09:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

If people didn't eat chicken off the bone, there probably wouldn't be a meat-eater imbalance in prisons, either.

#53 | Posted by sentinel at 2014-05-11 10:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

" If blacks weren't doing the crimes, they wouldn't be in the justice system."

Ah, the ol' Ed Meese refrain. People that get arrested are guilty of something, right? Personally, I think a career in the military sucks any intelligence out of the lower ranks.

#54 | Posted by Harry_Powell at 2014-05-11 10:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

Circular reasoning on display by Boaz.
Or as he likes to call it, "simple."

#55 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-05-11 10:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

I wonder if the military has done such a good job of combating racism in their ranks that Boaz just doesn't see it. After all the military was desegregated a decade or two before the rest of the country.

#56 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-05-11 10:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

If blacks weren't doing anything wrong, they wouldn't have been found hanging from trees in large numbers up until a few decades ago.

Got nothing to do with the conversation. You still haven't changed the FACT. If blacks weren't doing crimes, at crime scenes, drug dealing, they wouldn't be in prison.

People that get arrested are guilty of something, right?

Where do white folk go to get crack? White neighborhoods? Where do white folk go to get the good weed? White neighborhoods? Why do they go to black areas to get drugs? BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE DRUGS ARE.

If we as blacks stop selling it, it will go away from us. It is that simple.

#57 | Posted by boaz at 2014-05-12 08:24 AM | Reply | Flag:

We are most comfortable with other people and things familiar to us.

#58 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-05-12 09:41 AM | Reply | Flag:

If blacks weren't doing crimes, at crime scenes, drug dealing, they wouldn't be in prison.

Sure, but you're ignoring a few FACTS.
There are innocent people in prison.
Black people are targeted by cops more than white people.
The higher incarceration rate for blacks is a symptom of a much deeper problem than "black people do crimes."
White people for example are more likely to use drugs.
Black people are much more likely to go to jail for drug offenses.

BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE DRUGS ARE.
If we as blacks stop selling it, it will go away from us. It is that simple.
#57 | Posted by boaz

Why do you think black people sell drugs in black neighborhoods? Because there aren't any better alternatives. Have you ever bought patio furniture or office supplies from a store in a black neighborhood? It's just check cashing, liquor, and fast food.

Your myopia on this topic is startling.

#59 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-05-12 12:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

If we as blacks stop selling it, it will go away from us. It is that simple.
#57 | Posted by boaz

Or we could legalize it. Even simpler. And much cheaper. And, finally, takes the onus off the black people to fix a cultural problem not of their own making. And it would give the cops something better to do than occupy black neighborhoods looking for trouble. Although racist cops would probably still do that anyway since that's what they've been trained to do.

Why do you think gangs take hold in a community, Boaz? Why do you see them in Compton and not Bel-Air? Do you think black people are born wanting to wear colors? No, something happens.

By the time you're a young black man out there committing crimes, so many things have already gone wrong for you. Crime is a symptom, not a cause.

#60 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-05-12 12:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

I have lived in areas like that. I know what the problems are. And it's govt dependance in nature.

#61 | Posted by boaz at 2014-05-12 01:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

Government dependance is a symptom, not a cause.

#62 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-05-12 01:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

#62

It can be both.

#63 | Posted by eberly at 2014-05-12 01:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yeah I was wishing I had said that it can be both.
The way Boaz sees it is too one-sided.
It's not purely the cause.
And being a dependent isn't necessarily a bad thing.
Boaz made a career out of working for the government, he seems to have turned out okay.
As have so many other people who are teachers, librarians, etc.

#64 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-05-12 01:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

Boaz have you ever asked yourself why there's a higher percentage of black people in the military than in the US overall?

#65 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-05-12 01:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

Snoofy

You still cannot see that govt service is a job. Welfare you can get fired from and the military betters you. I see the difference between a welfare queen and one who volunteers for military service. One is more honorable than the other in my book.

#66 | Posted by boaz at 2014-05-12 01:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

If we as blacks stop selling it, it will go away from us. It is that simple.

You should know better than that. The illegal drug market exists because there are buyers *and* sellers. Each half of that arrangement creates the other. Take one half away and it would be replaced.

#67 | Posted by rcade at 2014-05-12 03:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

But why is it, when blacks are left to their own devices as a race, they fail?

A better question is why you are blind to all the successes blacks have achieved in this country. There are plenty of professional, educated and hard working middle- and upper-class blacks in this country, but all you want to focus on are communities of blacks where poverty is the real indicator of problems, not race.

Look at any black community poor as dirt with terrible schools, no jobs and high drug crime rates.

Find a white community with terrible schools, no jobs and high drug crime rates.

The problems will be the same. The failures will be the same. People spend too much time in America looking at everything through the prism of race. Class matters too. It sucks to live in places with endemic poverty.

#68 | Posted by rcade at 2014-05-12 04:09 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

But why is it, when blacks are left to their own devices as a race, they fail?

Within the context of the U.S., you might be right if the system was racially fair, but it's not. It's racist. It's racist against nonwhites and most racist and blacks. This is a fact. It has been quantified and analyzed. Therefor, when comparing whites vs. any other in terms of overall success, you're in fact comparing apples and oranges.

#69 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-05-12 04:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

I gave your #68 a NW flag, Rogers.

Great stuff.

#70 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-05-12 04:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

*and most racist against blacks...

FT

#71 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-05-12 04:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

Middle Easterners seem to do just fine when they come to the US. They face all sorts of hurdles that blacks don't. I wonder how they manage to carve out a niche for themselves despite not knowing the language.

Is there one group of immigrants or one group of anybody that does worse than blacks across the board? They see every single group come here, kick sand in their face, and blow past them in any given metric sans crime, drop out rates, and out of wedlock birthrate.

The American Indian is about the only other group in the US that I can think of that even comes close to being as self destructive as blacks.

#72 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-05-12 04:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

Heaven forbid we honestly discuss why american blacks are such a destructive lot. It must be somebody else's fault. It has to be, right?

How do the brothas in Canada do? Well, the 3 of them are actually very successful. The subban brothers and Ben Johnson.

#73 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-05-12 04:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

Heaven forbid we honestly discuss why american blacks are such a destructive lot. It must be somebody else's fault. It has to be, right?

Are you entirely ignorant to the impacts associated with the old and NEW Jim Crow laws?

#74 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-05-12 04:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

#72 -- I agree, and I'll also add the East Asians have them all beat, including the whites. The come here work their butts off, study their asses off. They become the valedictorians and the more successful shrimpers in the Gulf, pissing off the white folks who aren't willing to work as hard. They aren't as whiney as white and black folks about not having the latest xbox or cell phone. You never see fat Asians. Think about it.

#75 | Posted by goatman at 2014-05-12 04:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

Did Jim Crow make blacks drop out of high school? How about impregnating teens? How about murder...did Jim Crow laws make that happen too?

Nobody is interested in tired excuses.

#76 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-05-12 04:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

Middle Easterners seem to do just fine when they come to the US.

Any foreigner who had the means to travel was already ahead of the game, wouldn't you say?

Nobody is interested in tired excuses.
#76 | POSTED BY 101CHAIRBORNE

HAHAHA! Holy ----, I didn't realize people who think like you are still around.

#77 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-05-12 04:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

"People spend too much time in America looking at everything through the prism of race."

Like Snoofy? He's seems to see it all that way.

I agree that white ghettos resemble typical inner city ghettos with the same problems.

#78 | Posted by eberly at 2014-05-12 05:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

I agree that white ghettos resemble typical inner city ghettos with the same problems.
#78 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Only they don't experience the heightened "scrutiny" as nonwhite ghettos by law enforcement. There in lies the difference, IMO (and Rand Paul's opinion apparently).

#79 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-05-12 05:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yes, people that hold other people accountable for their actions still exist, stupid.

Unless Jim Crow impregnates young black women and abandons them? Does Jim Crow make them drop out of school?

Run your tired and ridiculous excuses up whatever flag pole you want, but personal responsibility is what is lacking, and what you and the other enablers conveniently gloss over. Apparently you guys believe blacks are too stupid to comprehend that finishing high school and not having babies you can't afford are bad ideas.

It's obvious you clowns think they're too stupid to comprehend such simple concepts.
I know, let's continue to reward their bad behavior...it's bound to work eventually, right?

#80 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-05-12 05:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Only they don't experience the heightened "scrutiny" as nonwhite ghettos by law enforcement."

I don't know for sure but I thought that was because of the high level of violence that occurs in black ghettos compared to white ghettos.

I thought I saw someone post something to that effect here in the past to substantiate that but I can't say for sure.

#81 | Posted by eberly at 2014-05-12 05:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

Only they don't experience the heightened "scrutiny" as nonwhite ghettos by law enforcement. There in lies the difference, IMO (and Rand Paul's opinion apparently).

But why the heightened scrutiny? If black ghettos somehow became crime free, would there still be heightened scrutiny? If anything, heightened scrutiny is an argument against racial bias. I mean if I was a racist mayor in charge of a city that had a white ghetto and black ghetto, I'd put the heightened security in the white part of town so that it had less crime and I'd let the black folks kill each or otherwise destroy their community.

#82 | Posted by goatman at 2014-05-12 05:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

I don't know for sure but I thought that was because of the high level of violence that occurs in black ghettos compared to white ghettos.
#81 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Which came first? The chicken (racist legal system)? Or the egg (heightened rates of violence in nonwhite, urban communities)?

#83 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-05-12 05:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

#80 | POSTED BY 101CHAIRBORNE

There is a lot more to it than "personal responsibility."

Rand Paul knows what's up. Too bad you haven't figured it out as well.

#84 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-05-12 05:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

"if black ghettos somehow became crime free"

then they would cease to be a punching bag.

I don't watch the local news much but when they report "shooting leaves young man dead", I naturally assume what part of town it occurs in and the race of the victim and the perp.

and I'm right 95% of the time, even though it's not that large of a neighborhood.

#86 | Posted by eberly at 2014-05-12 05:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

Hinting at a point isn't as impressive as you think. A. I couldn't care less what rand paul thinks. B. when they stop impregamating eachother's at alarming rates and start finishing high school I'll bet you any amount of money their lot in life improves leaps and bounds.

I'm sure you know that's true, but for some reason your ilk never wants to discuss the obvious truths and instead hint at things that aren't concrete. You know why that is? Because to acknowledge that blacks can fix their problems would mean they don't need a democrat enabler.

#87 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-05-12 05:28 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

I mean if I was a racist mayor in charge of a city that had a white ghetto and black ghetto, I'd put the heightened security in the white part of town so that it had less crime and I'd let the black folks kill each or otherwise destroy their community.
#82 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

Obviously there is more to it, right? More patrolling does not mean less crime. What's happening during those patrols is what matters. There are plenty of cops in both neighborhoods. It's what is happening by the cops in those neighborhoods that matters. For instance, whites use marijuana at the same rate as nonwhites. However, nonwhites are arrested, charged, and sentenced to harsher punishments compared to whites. The significant ramifications associated with drug offenses are experienced at a higher rate in the nonwhite community than the white community. That means the nonwhite community experiences a higher rate of convict reentry from the prison system. You must first understand that the average prison experience is criminalizing (meaning the average person entering prison will exit more prone to not just crime, but violent crime, which means a lot when you consider the significant number of nonviolent drug offenders currently housed in the system). These nonwhite communities therefor suffer a higher rate of negative consequences associated with the drug war than that of white communities. It's a perpetual cycle that is influenced by many other variables, but this one is the most significant, IMO. It's the main reason why I'm a single issue voter with criminal justice reform being the issue of interest.

#88 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-05-12 05:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'm sure you know that's true, but for some reason your ilk never wants to discuss the obvious truths and instead hint at things that aren't concrete.

I'm talking about objective science. You're talking about stereotypes and conjecture. Only one is concrete. Let's see if you can figure it out which one that is...ready...go!

#89 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-05-12 05:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

Oh, it's the prisons that impregnate young black women at an alarming rate. It's the prison that forces them to drop out of high school. Man, if only we would let blacks break the law they'd be contributors instead of takers.

#90 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-05-12 05:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

Obviously there is more to it, right?

Then why aren't Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, the NAACP and other black leaders investigating this and bringing it to the forefront? Why are they putting up strawment like Tawana Brawley? Why do they focus on a silly thing Rush Limbaugh says? Why aren't they out there taking care of this problem if it exists? If true, it's much bigger than what a silly talk show host says.

I think the reason they don't is because they don't see it as a problem. They know what 101 is saying is true. Indeed, you have black pseudo-leaders like Bill Cosby and Abdul Kareem Jabbar and even some elected black leaders who will say the same. But the dems don't want to address the problem because a self made black who gets himself out of the ghetto is more likely to be one less vote for them than one who stays in the ghetto,

#91 | Posted by goatman at 2014-05-12 05:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

"What's happening during those patrols is what matters. There are plenty of cops in both neighborhoods. It's what is happening by the cops in those neighborhoods that matters. For instance, whites use marijuana at the same rate as nonwhites. However, nonwhites are arrested, charged, and sentenced to harsher punishments compared to whites."

and I've said that the disparity is driven in part because of the increased violence that occurs in the black neighborhoods vs the white ones.

cops are going to spend more time in places where violent crimes are being committed and as a result, more people are getting put into the back of cop cars in black neighborhoods....because of the violence.

I get your "which came first" analogy so I guess that applies here.

But cops are going to go where people are being hurt by violence before anything else. of course, more folks are going to be arrested where violence is occurring.

#94 | Posted by eberly at 2014-05-12 05:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

Why is the violence so much lower in these white ghettos? Strange. Very strange.

You know what would really help? Black police officers. Why, I bet if we forced police departments to lower standards and force them to hire more black cops by installing quotas, things would change! More black cops patrolling the ghetto would mean less arrests. More black cops enforcing the law in the white ghetto would mean more arrests. Utopia.

#96 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-05-12 05:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

It never fails. If a discussion starts here about people being self-reflective and recognizing when their own thoughts might be racist, some comments will be about how the target of the racism deserves it.

If you're looking at the Post a Comment box and your first impulse is to come up with examples of why black people deserve to be viewed negatively, you probably are a little racist. And if you go looking for links about random black people committing a crime, as if that proves something about blacks in general, you probably are a lot.

#98 | Posted by rcade at 2014-05-12 05:45 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

and I've said that the disparity is driven in part because of the increased violence that occurs in the black neighborhoods vs the white ones.

Again, take a look at #83.

cops are going to spend more time in places where violent crimes are being committed and as a result, more people are getting put into the back of cop cars in black neighborhoods....because of the violence.

Nonviolent drug crime is what's fueling the issue. For example, nonwhites are not stopped and frisked at a higher rate in NY because they are suspected of being more violent. They are stopped and frisked at a higher rate because they are suspected of possessing drugs. Whites are not afforded the same levels of suspicion. This has been proven in places like Seattle, WA, while the current drug czar was chief of police. The minute B. Hussein Obama placed him in as drug czar, I knew there wouldn't be anything changing for a long time.

For some context:

This article draws on several unique data sources to assess and explain racial disparity in Seattle's drug delivery arrests. Evidence regarding the racial and ethnic composition of those who deliver any of five serious drugs in that city is compared with the racial and ethnic composition of those arrested for this offense. Our findings indicate that blacks are significantly overrepresented among Seattle's drug delivery arrestees. Several organizational practices explain racial disparity in these arrests: law enforcement's focus on crack offenders, the priority placed on outdoor drug venues, and the geographic concentration of police resources in racially heterogeneous areas. The available evidence further indicates that these practices are not determined by race-neutral factors such as crime rates or community complaints. Our findings thus indicate that race shapes perceptions of who and what constitutes Seattle's drug problem, as well as the organizational response to that problem.
onlinelibrary.wiley.com

#99 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-05-12 05:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

The American Indian is about the only other group in the US that I can think of that even comes close to being as self destructive as blacks.
#72 | Posted by 101Chairborne

No surprises there, as they are the two groups who've suffered most in this nation's history and pre-history.

Immigrants are wanted. Black people and natives are not. It's as simple as that.

#100 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-05-12 05:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

Who in their right mind doesn't go right to the personal responsibility card? How does excuse making help anyone, ever?

If you show me graduation and teen pregnancy rates equal to everyone else and the black community is still a complete cluster, then I'll listen to your excuse making. Until then, I will continue to have the same expectations of them as I have now, which is almost no expectation other than what the crime and poverty stats tell me now. [...]

#101 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-05-12 05:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

"For example, nonwhites are not stopped and frisked at a higher rate in NY because they are suspected of being more violent."

fair enough. But that's because more violence actually occurs in black neighborhoods, I suspect.

#102 | Posted by eberly at 2014-05-12 05:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

If you're looking at the Post a Comment box and your first impulse is to come up with examples of why black people deserve to be viewed negatively, you probably are a little racist.

hmm. So I must be sexist since I feel that it is more probable that a man would commit a crime than a woman. I must be ageist because I feel that old people don't commit as many crimes.

Rcade, what I know it's not PC to say one race is more likely to be involved in a violent act than another, but the facts speak for themselves. You can't hide from them. You CAN stick your head in the sand and pretend they don't exist, but they do,

#103 | Posted by goatman at 2014-05-12 05:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

... the facts speak for themselves. You can't hide from them.

Racists always think the facts make them racist. It's a classic example of putting the cart before the horse. They find facts that reinforce their prejudice and ignore facts that would free them from a life of poisonous idiocy.

#104 | Posted by rcade at 2014-05-12 06:01 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

Could anyone point me to examples of populations forcibly relocated who did better than those who went willingly?

#105 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-05-12 06:06 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Racists always think the facts make them racist. It's a classic example of putting the cart before the horse

Do you think men are more likely to commit a crime than a woman, rcade?

Why you sexist!

#106 | Posted by goatman at 2014-05-12 06:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

Racists always think the facts make them racist.

But accepting the facts rather than going the PC route does not make one a racist.

#107 | Posted by goatman at 2014-05-12 06:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

Then why aren't Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, the NAACP and other black leaders investigating this and bringing it to the forefront? Why are they putting up strawment like Tawana Brawley?

Why should I have to explain their (in)actions? I'm simply pointing out that objective, academic research points to systemic racism within our criminal justice system.

Why aren't they out there taking care of this problem if it exists? If true, it's much bigger than what a silly talk show host says.

They should get in touch with Rand Paul, as he's the most significant player in Washington right now discussing this very issue within the context as I'm presenting it. B. Hussein Obama even refuses to acknowledge the systemic issues plaguing nonwhite communities. It's a shame. And it's why I didn't vote for him in 2012. He was not taking this exact issue as seriously as he said he would in 2008.

I think the reason they don't is because they don't see it as a problem. They know what 101 is saying is true. Indeed, you have black pseudo-leaders like Bill Cosby and Abdul Kareem Jabbar and even some elected black leaders who will say the same. But the dems don't want to address the problem because a self made black who gets himself out of the ghetto is more likely to be one less vote for them than one who stays in the ghetto,

Again, I can't answer for liberals. Maybe it has a lot to do with the notion that because we are so far past the civil rights movement and that the black community has experienced upward momentum, liberals don't want to consider the idea that there still exists a very racist segment within our government and laws. They feel comfortable with the notion that they had eradicated State sponsored racism with the CR movement. When in actuality, they only forced the system to veil its true intentions. That might explain the specific black "community leaders" (if that's what you want to call them -- Sharpton, Jackson -- personally I think they are nothing more than media whores). And the NAACP? Just look at their dealings with Sterling. Obviously they deserve plenty of criticism. But again, my above statement could explain why they don't put more into the fighting the systemic racism. The Drug War is a war on nonwhites, as evidenced by the 100:1 sentencing disparity between crack and cocaine possession convictions, which was only just lowered in 2010, and signed by President B. Hussein Obama as the "Fair Sentencing Act" (more evidence that Dems have been complicit here). Here's the kicker, the sentencing disparity remains. Only it's not 100 to 1, it's just 18 to 1. Lots of HOPE, very little change. Thanks B. Hussein.

#108 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-05-12 06:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

So I must be sexist since I feel that it is more probable that a man would commit a crime than a woman
#103 | Posted by goatman

Do you truly view men negatively?
Do you point to their higher crime rate as a reason that you're justified in doing so?

#109 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-05-12 06:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

[...] Rcade,
Why do black teens have such high pregnancy rates? Why do they drop out of high school at such an alarming rate? If these two glaring examples could be brought in line with...everyone not black, would this greatly increase their lot in life? Ok, I agree. Now, what kind of magic wand would it take in order to explain to people that understand English that having children out of wedlock and finishing high school will help them (and the taxpayer) immensely? I mean, if only they understood English. If only they had the ability to see, and observe that those two simple concepts could make things better for them. Such a mystery.

#110 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-05-12 06:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

And the NAACP? Just look at their dealings with Sterling.

You're blaming the entire NAACP for the actions of one chapter in Sterling's city. He probably threw a lot of money at them, which is how fat cats often buy themselves good PR when they need it.

#111 | Posted by rcade at 2014-05-12 06:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

Why should I have to explain their (in)actions?

Perhaps the lack of proper leadership and advocacy in the black community is part of the problem.

#112 | Posted by goatman at 2014-05-12 06:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

Why do black teens have such high pregnancy rates? Why do they drop out of high school at such an alarming rate?
#110 | Posted by 101Chairborne

I would say it's more or less the same reason whites in the South have higher rates of pregnancy and dropout than, say, whites in the Northeast.

#113 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-05-12 06:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

So it's just that one chapter that whitewashes racism for money...
Please. That's how those grievance mongers all work.

Where do you think Jesse and al figured out how to race hustle for cash?

#114 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-05-12 06:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

#110 | POSTED BY 101CHAIRBORNE

Many of them have the same views regarding the public education system that you do. Only they hold those views because many of them either experienced terrible conditions and poor effort on part of the system, or because they experienced other obstacles associated with poverty.

I'm sure it's easy for you to imagine yourself "pulling yourself up by the bootstraps," but it's a different situation for someone with dark complexion and who lives in the "wrong area code."

#115 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-05-12 06:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

You're blaming the entire NAACP for the actions of one chapter in Sterling's city. He probably threw a lot of money at them, which is how fat cats often buy themselves good PR when they need it.
#111 | POSTED BY RCADE

So the NAACP was unaware of a chapter's dealings with a well known racist in the largest city in California?

Or they were ignoring it? Either way, they deserve criticism.

#116 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-05-12 06:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

Perhaps the lack of proper leadership and advocacy in the black community is part of the problem.
#112 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

Common ground affords a soft landing, no?

#117 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-05-12 06:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

Rsty,
White kids attend those same schools and live in the same school districts and neighborhoods as the black kids. They experience the same teen urges and the same crappy school system.
Acting white is a slur to those black kids. It's cultural.

#118 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-05-12 06:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

So the NAACP was unaware of a chapter's dealings with a well known racist in the largest city in California?

Probably. There are a lot of chapters. The NAACP president said that when he became aware of the LA chapter honoring Sterling, he demanded (and got) that chapter president's resignation.

#119 | Posted by rcade at 2014-05-12 06:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

The NAACP president said that when he became aware of the LA chapter honoring Sterling, he demanded (and got) that chapter president's resignation.
#119 | POSTED BY RCADE

I was unaware of that and good to know. However, they (NAACP) did appoint the chapter president, who was by that time known to be a corrupt judge, right?

#120 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-05-12 06:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

Just like when Obama heard about the cluster at the VA...oh, never mind.

#121 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-05-12 06:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's cultural.
#118 | POSTED BY 101CHAIRBORNE

Just how exactly would you know? And I'm not trying to be combative, I honesty would like to know what influences your perspective on this.

#122 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-05-12 06:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

Just like when Obama heard about the cluster at the VA.

It'll be interesting to see if he fixes it. When I first applied for VA medical, it took them two weeks to call me just to make the appointment. When they finally did call, my appointment was two months later.

Thanks, 0bama.

#123 | Posted by goatman at 2014-05-12 06:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

Veterans, like blacks, have also outlived their usefulness.

#124 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-05-12 06:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

And we all know it's 0bama's fault because when Bush was president, the proggies blamed him for some peeling paint on a hospital wall. So of course 0bama is to blame for me not getting an appointment in two weeks or less,

#125 | Posted by goatman at 2014-05-12 06:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

If these two glaring examples could be brought in line with...everyone not black, would this greatly increase their lot in life? Ok, I agree. Now, what kind of magic wand would it take in order to explain to people that understand English that having children out of wedlock and finishing high school will help them (and the taxpayer) immensely?
#110 | Posted by 101Chairborne

That is indeed the question.
If you can figure it out, you have a Nobel Peace Prize headed your way.

#126 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-05-12 06:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

When I first applied for VA medical, it took them two weeks to call me just to make the appointment. When they finally did call, my appointment was two months later. Thanks, 0bama.

Like Obama invented long waits for care at the VA. There have been complaints about that for as long as there has been a VA.

#127 | Posted by rcade at 2014-05-12 06:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

I can tell you which President greatly increased demand for care at the VA by starting two wars. (Spoiler alert: It wasn't Obama.)

#128 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-05-12 06:51 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Like Obama invented long waits for care at the VA

Like Bush was responsible for peeling paint

There have been complaints about that for as long as there has been a VA.

I guess that wasn't covered under the hopey-changey thing.

If there have been problems at the VA for 5 years and 0bama hasn't fixed it, it's his fault. I used to not feel this way, but you proggies are so full of your double standards it's only fair

#129 | Posted by goatman at 2014-05-12 06:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

There have been complaints about that for as long as there has been a VA.

Not two and half months, rcade. Ask some vets if you don't believe me. None of the ones I've talked to (in person or online) ever heard of a two week wait just to make an appointment until a year or two ago -- at least not here in San Antonio which has some of the best VA medical facilities in the country

#130 | Posted by goatman at 2014-05-12 07:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

I guess that wasn't covered under the hopey-changey thing.

Of all the dopey arguments put forward here, this is one of my favorites. "Obama promised us hope and change, and something didn't change. He lied! He's a liar! Lying liar!" It's like you never heard of a presidential candidate making lofty promises before his election that weren't 100% achieved during the next four or eight years.

This one isn't even a promise -- it's a broad theme. Every non-incumbent runs for president promising change and renewed hope.

#131 | Posted by rcade at 2014-05-12 07:10 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

You probably are a little racist if...

1. You believe America was a better nation fifty years ago, and that the advent of the civil right movement is connected to a downward spiral;

2. You believe that the Democrats are the true party of racism;

3. You believe the Civil War was primarily about States rights;

4. You feel that White people are, generally speaking, at a disadvantage in our society;

5. You believe the reason proportionally so many more blacks than white are in prison has nothing to do with selective policing or prosecution and everything to do with the greater criminality among blacks.

6. You think by and large racism has already been addressed and eliminated from our society, and the only real reason people ever mention nowadays in order to get an unfair advantage.

7. You believe it is only because they want free handouts that blacks disproportionately tend to vote Democrat.

8. You think a person is being too sensitive or just a ----- when they don't laugh along at jokes targeting blacks and other minorities.

9. The idea of miscegenation on some level offends you.

10. You find you can only post on the Nooner. On every other thread you find yourself getting flagged as offensive or abusive.

#132 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-05-12 07:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

Quite frankly Moder8,

If you are not black, I dont think you are qualified to talk about 5, 6, 7....

Blacks commit more crimes. Period. Deal with it. If they didn't, they wouldn't go to jail as much.

Racism, feelings against another race, exist in all races, that can never be rid off. The controls put into place to mitigate racism have enabled blacks to be equal with other races. Blacks have something called "The game". Its where they try to get as much for themselves without as much effort as possible. It is taught to childrean. It extends to women, which our black women have learned, to spawn phrases like, "game recognizes game", for when one swindler sees both are running game and no one can get the upper hand. The ghetto culture lives by this and getting what you want from a politician is no different. That's why you aren't qualified to answer on this...

#133 | Posted by boaz at 2014-05-12 08:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

Blacks have something called "The game". Its where they try to get as much for themselves without as much effort as possible. It is taught to childrean. It extends to women, which our black women have learned, to spawn phrases like, "game recognizes game", for when one swindler sees both are running game and no one can get the upper hand.

They're teaching them the myth of the self-made man? Maybe that's the problem. They need to teach them how to to work together to accomplish things. As you yourself do, joining forces with many others to create an army.

#134 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-05-12 08:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

They're teaching them the myth of the self-made man? Maybe that's the problem. They need to teach them how to to work together to accomplish things. As you yourself do, joining forces with many others to create an army.

#134 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

The 2 are not mutually exclusive.

A classical "self-made man" engages in all sorts of cooperation - can't earn riches without people to sell to - people to assist in production, etc.

The "self-made man" isn't a myth - your fundamental lack of understanding of it is the myth.

#135 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-05-12 08:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

Learn what myth means.
en.wikipedia.org

#136 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-05-12 08:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

"5. You believe the reason proportionally so many more blacks than white are in prison has nothing to do with selective policing or prosecution and everything to do with the greater criminality among blacks.
6. You think by and large racism has already been addressed and eliminated from our society, and the only real reason people ever mention nowadays in order to get an unfair advantage."

If you are not black, I dont think you are qualified to talk about 5, 6...
#133 | POSTED BY BOAZ

How about Michelle Alexander? She's black. Will you listen to her perspective on the matter? She fully agrees with MODER8's contentions that he lists as numbers five and six. She also backs up her claim with research data. From the most objective perspective possible she outlines the argument emphasized by MODER8. Did you ever bother to get around to reading The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness by Michelle Alexander like I suggested to you a while back?

Ron Paul got around to reading it and now he's convinced. Maybe you should too, finally.

#137 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-05-12 08:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

#37 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER

NW!

#138 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2014-05-12 11:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

Blacks have something called "The game". Its where they try to get as much for themselves without as much effort as possible. It is taught to childrean.

If you think only one race has economically marginalized people who try to exploit the system in unfair ways, you're blind to the reality of the country. What you see as a black problem is a societal problem. But part of that problem requires good jobs and good education to be available in our worst neighborhoods and poorest regions. Without that, the ability of people to pull themselves up is limited.

#139 | Posted by rcade at 2014-05-13 09:58 AM | Reply | Flag:

- the ability of people to pull themselves up is limited.

Rwingers think people without boots should still be able to pull themselves up by their bootstraps.

#140 | Posted by Corky at 2014-05-13 11:19 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

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