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Monday, May 05, 2014

The uninsured rate for U.S. adults in April was 13.4 percent, down from 15.0 percent in March. This is the lowest monthly uninsured rate recorded since Gallup and Healthways began tracking it in January 2008, besting the previous low of 13.9 percent in September of that year. The uninsured rate peaked at 18.0 percent in the third quarter of 2013. The uninsured rate among lower-income Americans -- those with an annual household income of less than $36,000 -- has dropped by 5.5 points, to 25.2 percent, since the fourth quarter of 2013.

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From: Tea Suckers
To: Barack Obama

We don't like change and you aint done ----!*

*(Courtesy Alonzo Bodden)

#1 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2014-05-05 09:54 AM | Reply | Flag:

Andrea....to be clear and candid, a reduction from 15% to 13.4% is a reduction in 1.6% points. In reality that is a reduction of 10.66%.

IMO, if you're going to argue the significance....argue it with that figure.

#2 | Posted by eberly at 2014-05-05 10:03 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

My respect for you has gone up about 10.66% Eb. This kind of clear and concise comment is rare these days, but keeps me coming back to DR.

#3 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2014-05-05 11:36 AM | Reply | Flag:

Thanks Bruce. I was actually going to point out the fact that the uninsured rate among adults has improved more than that since 2008. The headline is practically a complete lie.

#4 | Posted by eberly at 2014-05-05 11:44 AM | Reply | Flag:

Fits. Obamacare is a big lie.

#5 | Posted by ducandy at 2014-05-05 12:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Obamacare is a big lie."

#5 | Posted by ducandy

Do you have that tattooed on the back of your neck? Because I would believe that.

#6 | Posted by Harry_Powell at 2014-05-05 12:45 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 2

Wow. -------- headline of the day, eh? Thanks Andrea. Got that one out of the way real quick.

#7 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-05-05 12:56 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

The headline and description were spun to such a ridiculous degree that I changed them. Since AndreaMackris likely won't agree with the changes, I took over as the post's author.

#8 | Posted by rcade at 2014-05-05 05:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

We will see in 5-10 years the legacy of the ACA, for now the plan isn't even fully implemented thanks to Obama's unilateral and unconstitutional law changes. So the full cost, and the rippling effect of unintended consequences that accompanies all large changes to law, has yet to felt.

#9 | Posted by danv at 2014-05-05 05:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's a damn shame no one in Congress has brought a vote to repeal the ACA, right Danv?

#10 | Posted by Harry_Powell at 2014-05-05 06:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

Why do some people not want everyone that is sick to be cared for? Even if you have the best health ins in the world for yourself and you family do you really want to have your kids in class rooms with sick kids or when you go out to eat have someone sick making your food? This is just common sense that everyone should be able to see a doctor when needed and everyone should have to pay something to see that the system works. It is too bad that every time they passed a bill to end ACA instead they had looked at the bill and tried to find something that could be changed it to make it work better then we would not be calling it obamacare but maybe goodgovcare and everyone could take credit for doing something to make America better.

#11 | Posted by THomewood at 2014-05-05 06:32 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

January 2008, besting the previous low of 13.9 percent in September of that year.

How is that possible without obamacare? 13.9% without obamacare, 13.4 percent with. Anyone check the unemployment rates between the two years..

Sept 2008 - 6.1%
Apr 2014 - 6.3%

...you think it's possible that as the unemployment rate dropped so did the uninsured rate? Go figure. Of course, if they calculate the "insured" rate like they do employment...neither is in the least bit accurate.

Maybe we should temper the excitement until we see if the newly obamacare "insured" actually pay up.

#12 | Posted by e_pluribus_unum at 2014-05-05 06:33 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"you think it's possible that as the unemployment rate dropped so did the uninsured rate? "

Doubtful. All you righties have been squawking about is how businesses can't afford health care for their employees and were actively dumping their policies. Try and keep up.

#13 | Posted by Harry_Powell at 2014-05-05 06:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

"you think it's possible that as the unemployment rate dropped so did the uninsured rate? "

Doubtful.

I have to agree. If the unemployment rate had dropped due to people getting meaningful work, the automatic employer provided insurance could possibly attribute to the insured rate rising.

However, most of the jobs that contributed to drop in unemployment were minimum wage, unskilled labor type jobs -- not "real" jobs. These types of jobs rarely come with benefits like insurance.

Also, the drop in unemployment was also creditable to almost a million more people not being counted but still do not add a job. This group is not very likely to have bought insurance.

So for these two reasons, I agree with Harry.

#14 | Posted by goatman at 2014-05-05 06:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

" the automatic employer provided insurance "

You are retired, right?

#15 | Posted by Harry_Powell at 2014-05-05 06:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

However, most of the jobs that contributed to drop in unemployment were minimum wage, unskilled labor type jobs -- not "real" jobs. These types of jobs rarely come with benefits like insurance.

I have seen this talking point before and I doubted it so I looked it up.

The number of minimum wage workers is apparently declining.

How do you explain that?

(in 2013) An estimated 3.6 million people were paid hourly rates at or below the federal minimum in 2012, down from 3.8 million a year earlier.

money.cnn.com

I can't find the numbers for 2014 so if you have access to that or different facts I'd love to see them.

Also I love how you discount the work of over 3 million hard working Americans as not doing "real" jobs.

#16 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-05-05 07:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

Also from the BLS webpage

In 2013, 75.9 million workers age 16 and older in the
United States were paid at hourly rates, representing
58.8 percent of all wage and salary workers. Among
those paid by the hour, 1.5 million earned exactly the
prevailing federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour.
About 1.8 million had wages below the federal minimum.
Together, these 3.3 million workers with wages at or
below the federal minimum made up 4.3 percent of all
hourly paid workers.


The percentage of hourly paid workers earning the
prevailing federal minimum wage or less declined from 4.7
percent in 2012 to 4.3 percent in 2013.

www.bls.gov

#17 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-05-05 07:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

How do you explain that?

Net numbers of jobs is not keeping up with new job seekers. This isn't a secret. It's just one of those numbers on the thread a couple of days ago you refused to look at, donnerboy. Had you, you wouldn't be asking this question today.

#18 | Posted by goatman at 2014-05-05 07:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

Since AndreaMackris likely won't agree with the changes, I took over as the post's author.
#8 | POSTED BY RCADE

No argument there...

The law was passed in 2009, 2008 was the last real look without interference from the governments Obamacare disaster was 2008. Everything up to that point was influence due to Obamacare changes, any scientist will tell you that.

Its a 1% change.... Read it and weep.... [...]

#19 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-05-05 08:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

Keep digging and trying to spin ObamaCare as a good thing. It's crap, but you people keep trying to make it smell like roses.

#20 | Posted by sames1 at 2014-05-05 09:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

98.3 % of all folks in Massachusetts have health insurance THANKS TO MITT ROMNEY CARE ....LOL

#21 | Posted by SammyAZ_RI at 2014-05-05 09:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Why do some people not want everyone that is sick to be cared for?"

Ask Obama when the people he sold the rubber peach to find out many doctors will not accept the care.

#22 | Posted by Diablo at 2014-05-06 12:31 AM | Reply | Flag:

Its a 1% change.... Read it and weep.... [...]

#19 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS AT 2014-05-05 08:06 PM | REPLY | FLAG

Math has never been your friend has it?

#23 | Posted by 726 at 2014-05-06 08:08 AM | Reply | Flag:

98.3 % of all folks in Massachusetts have health insurance THANKS TO MITT ROMNEY CARE ....LOL

#21 | Posted by SammyAZ_RI at 2014-05-05 09:52 PM | Reply | Flag

Yes, and it was the state that did it, not the federal government. That is a HUGE difference.

The federal government has no constitutional right to do most of the things its does including implementing universal healthcare; which is what essentially the ACA will eventually do.

#24 | Posted by danv at 2014-05-06 03:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's a damn shame no one in Congress has brought a vote to repeal the ACA, right Danv?

#10 | Posted by Harry_Powell at 2014-05-05 06:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

It is a shame those in the senate did not follow the houses lead.

#25 | Posted by danv at 2014-05-06 03:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

Uninsured Rate 13.4% (Was 18% in 2013)

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Rates are irrelevant. What matters are aggregates, and the numbers of under insured, and I'd bet that they aren't particularly favorable, or they would be advertised instead of this gerrymandered garbage.

#26 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-05-06 07:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's crap, but you people keep trying to make it smell like roses.

#20 | Posted by sames1

It quite possibly has a few thorns on it.

But, regardless, it sure smells better than that mythical WMD, mushroom cloud, torture filled Abu Ghraib crap you guys tried to shove down OUR throats for nearly 8 years.

#27 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-05-06 09:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

But, regardless, it sure smells better than that mythical WMD, mushroom cloud, torture filled Abu Ghraib crap you guys tried to shove down OUR throats for nearly 8 years.

But those days again. Bush is one goblin you don't have to worry about being under your bed anymore. So it doesn't make any sense to blindly cheer on the current loser for that reason.

I've said it dozens of times, but it bears repeating: If 0bama had the god-like status his rabid supporters claim, they would be comparing him to the great presidents in American history. But instead, to make him look good (in their partisan eyes, anyway) they compare him to one of the worst.

Quite telling.

#28 | Posted by goatman at 2014-05-06 09:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

But, regardless, it sure smells better than that mythical WMD, mushroom cloud, torture filled Abu Ghraib crap you guys tried to shove down OUR throats for nearly 8 years.

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And again we see the fake left obfuscate their fascist behavior by blaming the fake right for also doing the same. The fact that they are both fascist puppets for the same fascisti is ignored as designed.

#29 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-05-06 10:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Its a 1% change.... Read it and weep.... [...]
#19 | Posted by AndreaMackris"

Looks like someone borrowed Vernon's calculator.

#30 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2014-05-07 09:00 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 3

So it doesn't make any sense to blindly cheer on the current loser for that reason.

Saying our crap smells better than yours is not cheerleading. It is recognizing that we have made progress. No matter how incremental that progress has been it is still progress.

But instead, to make him look good (in their partisan eyes, anyway) they compare him to one of the worst.

I am glad to see you recognize that Bush was the worst.

Recovering from the mistakes of the worst administration in recent history has not been easy.

If 0bama had the god-like status his rabid supporters claim

That strawman is a right wing invention.

The only one holding Obama up to god-like status are those in the right who, no matter how hard they have tried, could not find that Waterloo that they could bring him down with.

enjoy your hate...it is what you do best.

#31 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-05-07 01:51 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

enjoy your hate...it is what you do best.

#31 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

LOL

Physician, heal thyself

And troll elsewhere.

#32 | Posted by goatman at 2014-05-07 01:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

Physician, heal thyself

And troll elsewhere.

#32 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

Neither a physician or troll am I but a mere humble retorter I be.

Take your O' hate somewhere else my friend. Or many a retort you will see.

#33 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-05-07 10:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

Take your O' hate somewhere else my friend.

When you cease your hatred. Deal? Or do you prefer to stick to your "Do as I say, not as I do" ways?

Physician, heal thyself.

#34 | Posted by goatman at 2014-05-07 10:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

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