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Monday, May 05, 2014

Former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, who had been invited to give the commencement address at Rutgers University in New Jersey this month, said on Saturday that she would no longer give the speech. Her announcement came after weeks of protests by some students and faculty members over the university's decision to invite her. Students staged a sit-in last week outside the office of the university's president to protest the speech. Earlier the faculty council voted for her to be disinvited. "This is not good for Rutgers," said professor H. Bruce Franklin, who introduced the resolution. "What we're doing is awarding an honorary degree and having a commencement speech from someone who is a war criminal."

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good. let her give the commencement at the university of baghdad. i'm sure she'll be pelted with improvised chocolates and flowers..

#1 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-05-05 10:07 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

All decent people should refuse to associate with dirtbags like Rice.

#2 | Posted by Sully at 2014-05-05 10:12 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

All decent people should refuse to associate with dirtbags like the protesters.

#3 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-05-05 10:16 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

This has been happening quite a bit........ for both sides... Michelle at a high school...

The funny thing is Condi and Michelle probably get along well. Like the VanJones pics from WHCD, both sides get along..... its their constituents that don't...

Manufacturing hate to keep them employed...

#4 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-05-05 10:19 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 4

"Rutgers University officials made no apologies today for Snooki's $32,000 appearance at a pair of student-run events on the Piscataway campus.

The "Jersey Shore" reality TV star was invited and paid by students, who are allowed to select their own entertainment, a campus spokesman said.

"The students use funds designated for student programming. The university does not censor the speakers students choose to invite to campus," said E.J. Miranda, a Rutgers spokesman.

Snooki's appearance made national news -- and drew some criticism on campus -- when students revealed she was compensated $32,000 for a pair of one-hour question-and-answer sessions on the Livingston campus Thursday night. She was paid using the mandatory student fees that students pay with their tuition."

But, they'll pay a scumbag like snooki? They don't seem to concerned about who speaks at their school.

#5 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-05-05 10:20 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

integrity and class...it's no wonder radical leftists hate her.

#6 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-05-05 10:21 AM | Reply | Flag:

#6 Whooo boy, thank for the laugh aflac.

#7 | Posted by 726 at 2014-05-05 10:24 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

#5 | POSTED BY DALTON AT 2014-05-05 10:20 AM | FLAG:

Snooki's a pretty low class option, but she's never taken part in killing anyone, let alone thousands upon thousands. Might have wasted some money, but never participated in ruining our economy through unfunded trillions of dollars of war costs. Basically, despite her lack of credentials, she's still a far better person than Rice.

But then, by any moral standard, so are Ted Bundy, Wayne Gacy, and a few others out there.

#8 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2014-05-05 10:34 AM | Reply | Flag:

But then, by any moral standard, so are Ted Bundy, Wayne Gacy, and a few others out there.

#8 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2014-05-05 10:34 AM | Reply | Flag

Thanks for letting me know you can't be taken seriously.

#9 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-05-05 10:36 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Snooki's a pretty low class option, but she's never taken part in killing anyone, let alone thousands upon thousands.
#8 | POSTED BY ZEROPOINTNRG

I expect you to take the same viewpoint on anyone from the Obama administration doing commencements.

#10 | Posted by paneocon at 2014-05-05 10:37 AM | Reply | Flag:

Thanks for letting me know you can't be taken seriously.
#9 | POSTED BY DALTON AT 2014-05-05 10:36 AM | FLAG:

Thanks for letting me know you're only okay with sociopathic killers if they do it on the international and not local stage.

I expect you to take the same viewpoint on anyone from the Obama administration doing commencements.
#10 | POSTED BY PANEOCON AT 2014-05-05 10:37 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

I expect you'd be right. I only voted for Obama in 2008, going third party in 2012. I'm a liberal and sometimes a libertarian, not a democrat. And deeply disgusted with other Dems who suddenly became perfectly fine with the 3rd and 4th terms of Dubya, so long as it was now with a D after the name.

#11 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2014-05-05 10:46 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

But, they'll pay a scumbag like snooki? They don't seem to concerned about who speaks at their school.

#5 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-05-05 10:20 AM | Reply | Flag:

Snooki is an idiot who has not business speaking at any school.

But Rice is way more of a lowlife and its not even close. Snooki never participated in getting 4,000+ American soldiers killed over lies.

#13 | Posted by Sully at 2014-05-05 10:59 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

But Rice is way more of a lowlife and its not even close. Snooki never participated in getting 4,000+ American soldiers killed over lies.

#13 | Posted by Sully at 2014-05-05 10:59 AM | Reply | Flag:

I'm just pointing out that they really don't care that much about who speaks at their school. It's political. I'm sure they will invite Obama and he's murdered American citizens.

#14 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-05-05 11:01 AM | Reply | Flag:

"I have read both of her books...one on her role in the bush white house and her autobio.."

partisan puff pieces to be sure. try this documentary, if you dare:

www.youtube.com

...i'm guessing you don't dare.

#15 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-05-05 11:04 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

I'm just pointing out that they really don't care that much about who speaks at their school. It's political. I'm sure they will invite Obama and he's murdered American citizens.

#14 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-05-05 11:01 AM | Reply | Flag:

But they do care. Snooki is a clown and idiot and they didn't protest her. Rice is an unapologetic traitor who helped lied us into a war and who still stands by those actions now. She's got blood on her hands (both Iraqi and American) and she's proud of it. So as far as what they care about, the line right now seems to be that jackasses are OK but traitors with the blood of thousands on their hands are not.

If that changes in the future we can call out the contradiction but for right now, I can clearly see the line they've drawn.

#16 | Posted by Sully at 2014-05-05 11:05 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

provide some proof you've read her books and perhaps I will...I do not believe you have read them either..

#17 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-05-05 11:06 AM | Reply | Flag:

"After Rutgers University's president sent a letter to President Obama inviting him to deliver the 2016 commencement address, the school reached out to two prominent alumni - U.S. Rep. Frank Pallone Jr. and Sen. Robert Menendez - to lobby further."

Well there goes that theory Sully.

#18 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-05-05 11:11 AM | Reply | Flag:

Robert L. Barchi, Rutgers' president, formally invited Obama to attend the May 15, 2016, ceremony in a letter dated Oct. 17.

"I cannot imagine a more inspirational commencement speaker on this important day in the history of Rutgers," Barchi wrote in the letter. "Your dedication to promoting education is reflected in the diverse faces of Rutgers students, many of whom are transforming the future as the first in their families to graduate from college."

Rutgers would give Obama an honorary degree, Barchi wrote, "to recognize your remarkable eight years of service to our nation in the White House as well as your tremendous support of New Jersey following the devastation of Superstorm Sandy."

That's some real principle there.

#19 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-05-05 11:12 AM | Reply | Flag:

Well there goes that theory Sully.

#18 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-05-05 11:11 AM | Reply | Flag:

Illegally killing a few Americans who have joined Al Quada is not the same as starting a war over lies and getting 4,000+ Americans killed in the process.

People can and do have different opinions on the two. Its not a contradiction.

I don't get the need on the part of some people to defend Rice. Uncle Babbles, who proclaims her completely innocent, may be off his rocker and factually incorrect, but he makes more sense to me than the people who are defending her not by saying she's innocent but by attacking the protestors. The protestors haven't killed thousands of Americans so even if they were being hypocritical they're still not as bas as Rice.....

#20 | Posted by Sully at 2014-05-05 11:17 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 4

Thumbs up for Rutgers. Why is it always young people who display the most common sense in these issues? The notion of giving an honorary degree to a war criminal should have been laughed out of consideration by all the venerable regents, professors and scholars at Rutgers. Instead it took student action to nix it.

#21 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-05-05 11:19 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

and just happens to be a black woman who's a conservative and not on that you know what metaphor from the 'old south'...and therefore MUST BE DESTROYED no matter what.......

from poor beginnings she became a concert pianist and a powerful member of the government..........her own father became a republican because democrats wouldn't let him vote....

if she supported baby killing and keeping the poor on welfare ON welfare you all would be singing her praises...

#23 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-05-05 11:27 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

I'm not arguing for or against anyone. Just pointing out that if you have a D after your name you can speak at Rutgers if you kill Americans or spy on Americans. You can bomb countries w/out congressional approval. I don't care who speaks at Rutgers and they are free to ask or not ask who they like. I'm just saying that it's a political statement and nothing else.

#24 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-05-05 11:29 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

but that's beside the point..I know....the real problem here is all the intelligent drone moron students following the liberal establishment academia in being close minded, biased, bigoted lemmings who are SCARED and AFRAID to allow these young minds to hear anything but the required liberal nonsense.

#25 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-05-05 11:29 AM | Reply | Flag:

"provide some proof you've read her books and perhaps I will.."

i don't have to provide jack s---. if you want to keep your head buried in the sand that is not my problem. you just look rather foolish, but then again, virulent partisans usually do when confronted with information that doesn't fit in with their hive's pre-conceived narrative.

it is a fantastic documentary and well worth the 3 dollars.

#26 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-05-05 11:30 AM | Reply | Flag:

that answers my question....your response speaks to every question I might have.....but then I knew I was right to begin with...I know liberals better than they know themselves..and is one more reason why I do not believe anything I read here on first reading or at face value.

#27 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-05-05 11:32 AM | Reply | Flag:

So any high ranking individual in the Bush administration is automatically snubbed from any of these appearances. That doesn't look like the way to go. What's next, FOX banning all liberal viewpoints or CNN doing vice versa? Let's be fair and open minded.

#28 | Posted by CrisisStills at 2014-05-05 11:50 AM | Reply | Flag:

I'm not arguing for or against anyone. Just pointing out that if you have a D after your name you can speak at Rutgers if you kill Americans or spy on Americans. You can bomb countries w/out congressional approval. I don't care who speaks at Rutgers and they are free to ask or not ask who they like. I'm just saying that it's a political statement and nothing else.

#24 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-05-05 11:29 AM | Reply | Flag:

That might be it. But it might not be. I don't like Obama and criticize alot of things he's done. I personally would not attend an event where he was speaking. And I generally don't like "not as bad as Bush" arguments because I don't think the bar should be continually lowered every time a president does something horrible. I would never defend a specific mistake or misdeed by Obama by saying "but look what Bush did...." But having said that, as far as how people feel personally about one person versus other, the depth of their misdeeds do matter. And the Bush admin's betrayal of this country is worse than anything Obama has done. - even if its only due to scope.

#29 | Posted by Sully at 2014-05-05 11:56 AM | Reply | Flag:

"that answers my question....your response speaks to every question I might have.....but then I knew I was right to begin with...I know liberals better than they know themselves..and is one more reason why I do not believe anything I read here on first reading or at face value"

lol, whatever makes you feel better about supporting a piece of trash like condoleeza rice...

#30 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-05-05 11:58 AM | Reply | Flag:

"So any high ranking individual in the Bush administration is automatically snubbed from any of these appearances. That doesn't look like the way to go."

Under what circumstances is inviting an amoral lowlife with the blood of thousands on her hands to speak at a commencement "the way to go"?

#31 | Posted by Sully at 2014-05-05 11:59 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

What's next, FOX banning all liberal viewpoints or CNN doing vice versa? Let's be fair and open minded.

#28 | POSTED BY CRISISSTILLS AT 2014-05-05 11:50 AM | FLAG:

You've accidentally conflated opposing viewpoints with mass murderers.

#32 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2014-05-05 12:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

Snooki's appearance made national news -- and drew some criticism on campus -- when students revealed she was compensated $32,000 for a pair of one-hour question-and-answer sessions on the Livingston campus Thursday night. She was paid using the mandatory student fees that students pay with their tuition."

But, they'll pay a scumbag like snooki? They don't seem to concerned about who speaks at their school.

#5 | Posted by Dalton

Snooki isn't responsible for war crimes and a half million deaths.

#33 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-05-05 12:50 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

" Snooki is a clown and idiot ..."

Just what good little libs deserve.

#34 | Posted by MSgt at 2014-05-05 01:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

Just what good little libs deserve.

#34 | Posted by MSgt

Fine. Libs can have the idiot clown and republicans can have the murdering war criminal.

#35 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-05-05 01:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

Fine. Libs can have the idiot clown and republicans can have the murdering war criminal.

#35 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2014-05-05 01:27 PM | FLAG: Ah, war criminal - as the the dems in congress voted for 'his' war so I guess lots of yours were complicit.

#36 | Posted by MSgt at 2014-05-05 01:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

I have read both of her books...one on her role in the bush white house and her autobio....what do you have to base your opinion on besides the rantings of liberal pundits and other racists bigots?

#12 | POSTED BY AFKABL2 AT 2014-05-05 10:53 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

Certainly nothing as unbiased as her books, just history and facts.

#38 | Posted by 726 at 2014-05-05 01:51 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

#35 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2014-05-05 01:27 PM | FLAG: Ah, war criminal - as the the dems in congress voted for 'his' war so I guess lots of yours were complicit.

#36 | Posted by MSgt

Yeah. Funny how you can get people to vote for a war when you provide false intel to them.

#39 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-05-05 01:51 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

Yeah. Funny how you can get people to vote for a war when you provide false intel to them.

#39 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2014-05-05 01:51 PM | FLAG: Since our allied nations had the same intel I wonder if your ilk have ever learned the difference between false as opposed to mistaken/incorrect.

Whenever you made a mistake in life on info provided to you by another were your a liar?

#40 | Posted by MSgt at 2014-05-05 01:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

your =you

#41 | Posted by MSgt at 2014-05-05 01:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

and just happens to be a black woman

#23 | POSTED BY AFKABL2 AT 2014-05-05 11:27 AM | FLAG:

As far as I have seen, you are the only one race baiting here.

Clean yourself up.

#42 | Posted by 726 at 2014-05-05 02:00 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

Funny how that "mistake" fit right into already known PNAC goals.

#43 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2014-05-05 02:19 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

Whenever you made a mistake in life on info provided to you by another were your a liar?

#40 | Posted by MSgt at 2014-05-05 01:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

Rice hasn't admitted to any mistakes. She's cool with the way everything went down.

Check your talking points.

And really if a morally upright person made a mistake that killed 4000+ of their countrymen, that person would be contrite instead of parading around like some kind of accomplished hero after the fact. If Rice were a decent person who had only contributed to killing all those people through incompetence, she'd at least have the decency to never show her face again. Really if any of the Bushies were decent people they'd be so overcome with guilt that they'd have killed themselves. Decent people don't throw away the lives of thousands of others "by accident" and then live the rest of their lives claiming they would do it all over again.

#44 | Posted by Sully at 2014-05-05 02:21 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

"Whenever you made a mistake..."

Scores of thousands dead, maimed, countless lives destroyed is "a mistake".

I wonder what qualifies as an "oops".

#45 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2014-05-05 02:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

The same people who are practically frothing at the mouth in their excitement to see someone who's killed only one other person put to death are strangely okay with people responsible for killing thousands of our service members. Let alone innocent Iraqis. Guess it's the "R" after the name that makes it okay.

#46 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2014-05-05 02:35 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

Scores of thousands dead, maimed, countless lives destroyed is "a mistake".

I wonder what qualifies as an "oops".

#45 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

When you can't remember the name of that third country you were going to attack based on false information?

#47 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-05-05 03:35 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

I'm just saying that it's a political statement and nothing else.

#24 | Posted by Dalton

Made by whom?

Rutgers did not withdraw the invitation.

She made the decision not to go herself.

What political statement was she making?

#48 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-05-05 03:39 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Made by whom?

Rutgers did not withdraw the invitation.

The protestors Einstein.

#49 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-05-05 03:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

1) i support Rutger's cancellation of Rice's speech; she is a war criminal & does not deserve a pulpit.

2) i do not hold her as responsible as i do Dick Cheney, who actually profiteered from the war he manufactured. No other example illustrates as well that the rule of law in the U.S. is a farce; not even Obama's many stunts which are just him running with the Bush legacy he inherited.

As none of these criminals are liable to be held accountable in this life (listen carefully: you can hear Cheney's "The Penguin" laugh); i hold to the Hope there is Justice meted out in another Life.

#50 | Posted by kenx at 2014-05-05 04:04 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

The protestors Einstein.

#49 | Posted by Dalton

Student protesters, by their very nature, are usually are making political statements.

Einstein.

#51 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-05-05 04:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

"i do not hold her as responsible as i do Dick Cheney, who actually profiteered from the war he manufactured. No other example illustrates as well that the rule of law in the U.S. is a farce; not even Obama's many stunts which are just him running with the Bush legacy he inherited."

I feel largely the same the way. Its not just that they lied but they did it so obviously and selfishly. And even now we still have a large segment of the population making excuses for them. Its made me fundamentally change the way I think about my country. I used to think "People end up with the government they deserve" was a BS statement but now I fully understand it. We no longer have any standards. This country will never be as great as it once was.

#52 | Posted by Sully at 2014-05-05 04:17 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

and just happens to be a black woman

#23 | POSTED BY AFKABL2 AT 2014-05-05 11:27 AM | FLAG:

As far as I have seen, you are the only one race baiting here.

Clean yourself up.

#42 | Posted by 726 at 20

aha aha ha ha ha,..yeah okay.....we all know what's going on regardless......it's not that she's black...and LET ME post the entire comment and not just cherry pick it like you did.

nd just happens to be a black woman who's a conservative and not on that you know what metaphor from the 'old south....

so they bring in snooki instead....all you need to know..

lol

#53 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-05-05 07:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

aha aha ha ha ha,..yeah okay.....we all know what's going on regardless......it's not that she's black...and LET ME post the entire comment and not just cherry pick it like you did.

nd just happens to be a black woman who's a conservative and not on that you know what metaphor from the 'old south....

so they bring in snooki instead....all you need to know..

lol

#53 | Posted by afkabl2

Please. If they HADN'T protested her you'd have said they were only going easy on her because of her race.

Holding her accountable despite her minority status shows the protests were colorblind, and simply related to her being a war criminal.

YOU were the only one to make this about race. Again. As usual.

#54 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-05-05 07:35 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

Bl2: I must say, with all the very very valid reasons to angrily denounce Condi Rice, I don't think any rational person believes her race is one of them. Hey afk, if you want to turn every issue involving a person of color into a racial issue then nobody is gonna take you seriously. She is a horrible person who should be in prison for war crimes. Her race is irrelevant to every one but you and other rightwing apologists.

#55 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-05-05 07:39 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"Hey afk, if you want to turn every issue involving a person of color into a racial issue then nobody is gonna take you seriously."

Fixed, no charge.

#56 | Posted by REDIAL at 2014-05-05 07:52 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

My question is: why doesn't the same thing happen when Obama makes speeches? How many people has the American empire murdered during his office eh?

#58 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-05-05 08:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

"How many people has the American empire murdered during his office eh?"

Comparatively few, would be my guess.

#59 | Posted by REDIAL at 2014-05-05 08:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Hey afk, if you want to turn every issue involving a person of color into a racial issue then nobody is gonna take you seriously." - Moder8

Thats a good one, I will try to remember it.....

#60 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-05-05 08:33 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

If she's a war criminal then charge her, until then she is only one because you call her one.

Which brings one to the idea it might be because of her race....

A bunch of Sterlings not caught on tape at Rutgers I suppose.....

#61 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-05-05 08:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

If she's a war criminal then charge her, until then she is only one because you call her one.

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If Hitler was a war criminal then charge him.

And Obama can't be a war criminal because of the color of his skin.

You are straw man obfuscating.

#62 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-05-05 09:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

If Hitler was a war criminal then charge him.

Um, he committed suicide before he could be brought to trial like his minions. He is still dead. Condi isn't. So as Andrea said . . .

History is your friend, Shawn.

#63 | Posted by goatman at 2014-05-05 09:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Snooki never participated in getting 4,000+ American soldiers killed over lies."

Rewriting history again? Liberal spin machine in action. I guess liberals are schooled on how to repeat a lie long enough that people start to believe it.

If Rice "participated in getting 4,000+ American soldiers killed over lies" then Kerry, H. Clinton, and Biden are in that mix too as well as a host of Democrat Congressmen who put their stamp of approval on the Iraq war.

#64 | Posted by sames1 at 2014-05-05 09:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

If Rice "participated in getting 4,000+ American soldiers killed over lies" then Kerry, H. Clinton, and Biden are in that mix too...

And that has what to do with Snookie?

#65 | Posted by REDIAL at 2014-05-05 09:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

Um, he committed suicide before he could be brought to trial like his minions. He is still dead. Condi isn't. So as Andrea said . . .

History is your friend, Shawn.

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Congratulations on deliberately missing the point entirely.

You are being intellectually dishonest and you know it.

#66 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-05-05 09:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

Who is snookie? I guess I could google, but I'm afraid that I'd feel rather foolish getting 552,143,904,265,000 jillion hits in .12 seconds and not knowing who he (she?) is

#67 | Posted by goatman at 2014-05-05 10:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

You are being intellectually dishonest and you know it.

#66 | POSTED BY SHAWN

Says the guy who says, "Charge Hitler with war crimes" in response to post #6.

Yea, whatever.

#68 | Posted by goatman at 2014-05-05 10:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

1) i support Rutger's cancellation of Rice's speech; she is a war criminal & does not deserve a pulpit.

Rutgers did not cancel her. She canceled herself. As it says in the headline.

Basically, Condi chickened out. She said it was because:

"Commencement should be a time of joyous celebration for the graduates and their families," the statement said. "Rutgers' invitation to me to speak has become a distraction for the university community at this very special time."

"I am honored to have served my country," she added. "I have defended America's belief in free speech and the exchange of ideas. These values are essential to the health of our democracy."

If she truly believed all that(which does sound mighty fine!) then she should have gone there and defended those beliefs joyously and celebrate those "essential values" we hold so dear with the graduating class. What a fine lesson in democracy that would have been.

Was she afraid? Did she think that the students would rush the stage or physically attack her and string her up just because they disagreed with her?

Why would she even think that? Did she think Rutgers would or could not keep order?

Rutgers is not in the South for goodness sake. Oh wait. It is in New Jersey though. Maybe she was afraid of getting stuck in traffic for 4-5 hours.

#69 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-05-05 10:14 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

"Who is snookie? I guess I could google, but I'm afraid that I'd feel rather foolish getting 552,143,904,265,000 jillion hits in .12 seconds..."

That's what you'd get. Tabloid queen. Not sure where from... some reality show has-been.

#70 | Posted by REDIAL at 2014-05-05 10:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Did she think that the students would rush the stage or physically attack her and string her up just because they disagreed with her?"

Ann Coulter ran away from a bunch of university students in Ontario, so maybe.

#71 | Posted by REDIAL at 2014-05-05 10:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

she is a war criminal....

???

Really? When was her war crimes trial and conviction? I completely missed it. Also, she must've gotten off light since she is (as far as I know) a free woman today.

#72 | Posted by goatman at 2014-05-05 10:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

Really? When was her war crimes trial and conviction? I completely missed it. Also, she must've gotten off light since she is (as far as I know) a free woman today.

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So did Stalin.

You are obfuscating for your party again.

#73 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-05-05 10:55 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

You are obfuscating for your party again.

???

I have no party, shawn.

Assigning false positions doesn't help your case and just makes you look silly. Also, the "obfuscation" strawman is not only off mark, but old as well. But if you got nothing' else, do carry on with it.

#74 | Posted by goatman at 2014-05-05 10:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

If she's a war criminal then charge her, until then she is only one because you call her one.

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If Hitler was a war criminal then charge him.

And Obama can't be a war criminal because of the color of his skin.

You are straw man obfuscating.

#62 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-05

for out...best way I've heard it put....

bravo ...

#75 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-05-05 11:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

Bah. For whatever reason you are still obfuscating. Don't waste my time.

#76 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-05-05 11:03 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

she is a war criminal....

???

Really? When was her war crimes trial and conviction? I completely missed it. Also, she must've gotten off light since she is (as far as I know) a free woman today.

#72 | Posted by goatman at 201

really goat...you know full well..libs pronounce benghazi a PHONEY ISSUE then no matter WHAT obama said or promised....
www.arabamericannews.com

then if they pronounce her and 'W" war criminals..then WE ARE EXPECTED to fall in line with them like good soldiers...geesh bro....you still haven't gotten that down ?? aha ha ha ha

and DONNER...you're actually calling her out as chickening out? geesh...that's a crazy idea,...

#77 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-05-05 11:05 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

...you are still obfuscating.

LOL Can I call 'em (see post 74) or what?

#78 | Posted by goatman at 2014-05-05 11:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

Don't waste my time.

#76 | POSTED BY SHAWN

I guess you didn't knonw, shawn, but there's a thing called "killfiles". Feel free to put my name on your killfile list and you won't have to worry about me wasting your precious time again.

Would you like me to show you how to use them? I love helping people out who need it.

#79 | Posted by goatman at 2014-05-05 11:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

#69 | Posted by donnerboy

I will be honest, if I was going to do a speech somewhere and they protested my presence, I wouldn't waste my time there, I don't think you would either.

"It is in New Jersey though. Maybe she was afraid of getting stuck in traffic for 4-5 hours."

That was also probably weighty in her decision.

#81 | Posted by mariosanchez at 2014-05-05 11:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

#80

What's a good word for, "full of himself"?

Ah, "egotistical"... that's it.

#82 | Posted by Corky at 2014-05-05 11:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

You stump for the other party. I'm done bothering with you.

Just want to make one thing clear before you stop bothering with me: Even though I am against the death penalty, pro-abortion, pro separation of church and state, pro public school, hate Bush, Limbaugh, Beck, etc., have always been against the war in Iraq, support gay rights, OK with euthanasia, etc., I am not a democrat. I hope you'll stop confusing me for one and stop this silly nonsense of "your party".

Thanks, shawn!

#83 | Posted by goatman at 2014-05-05 11:25 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Ah, "egotistical"... that's it.

#82 | POSTED BY CORKY

Corky, shawn may be a little misguided, but I never pegged him as particularly egotistical.

#84 | Posted by goatman at 2014-05-05 11:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's funny, I have no idea what Shawn is saying, so it looks like Goatman is arguing with himself, hahaha.

#86 | Posted by mariosanchez at 2014-05-05 11:57 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

They should've just put her at the piano. She's a quite talented concert pianist. Never would Pomp and Circumstance sound as good I would imagine.

#87 | Posted by goatman at 2014-05-06 12:19 AM | Reply | Flag:

I have no idea what Shawn is saying,

I don't think shawn does either. In post 80 he says I'm not a "power pointer" then in post 85 he implies I am.

#88 | Posted by goatman at 2014-05-06 12:21 AM | Reply | Flag:

It should be pointed out that it is the Obama administration that refused to even look into prosecuting the Bush admin for war crimes. Had that not been one of Obama's many spineless failures to have anything remotely to do with "hope and change," Ms. Rice might well actually bear that grim title legally and factually as well as derogatorily.

All of the Bush admin one way or another bear the distinction of being either criminal or criminally inept, that much is undeniable. A decision between the two would have to know everything they knew, basically whether they lied about WMD's and such or were mislead, and if they were mislead, given that they closely followed PNAC goals that had existed since the late 90's, it was mostly likely by choice and blind cherry-picking for a desired outcome.

Either way, over 4000 US service members lost their lives for no good reason, for a purpose that only cost us in the long run, in weakened dollars, deficit, lost moral highground, and lost international good will. A travesty, in that our service member's lives should never be cheaply, let alone pointlessly given. And that is only counting ours. Between sanctions, sickness, war, and damaged infrastructure, most figures given for Iraq lives lost are in the millions. We made them far worse off than they were under a despotic dictator. Certainly not an accomplishment to be proud of.

Either way, this woman is one of those with that blood on her hands. One of the very few directly responsible. She is either a traitor and war criminal, or else a national tragedy. Not someone who should ever be celebrated.

#89 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2014-05-06 12:40 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Had that not been one of Obama's many spineless failures to have anything remotely to do with "hope and change," Ms. Rice might well actually bear that grim title legally and factually as well as derogatorily.

What would she have been charged with? I'm not being snarky -- I just didn't think the Secretary of State had the power to do anything that could be called war criminal.

#90 | Posted by goatman at 2014-05-06 12:46 AM | Reply | Flag:

What would she have been charged with?

#90 | Posted by goatman

Not being aborted.

#91 | Posted by mariosanchez at 2014-05-06 12:56 AM | Reply | Flag:

Just want to make one thing clear before you stop bothering with me: Even though I am against the death penalty, pro-abortion, pro separation of church and state, pro public school, hate Bush, Limbaugh, Beck, etc., have always been against the war in Iraq, support gay rights, OK with euthanasia, etc., I am not a democrat.

F'g DINO.

~Shawn

#92 | Posted by et_al at 2014-05-06 01:06 AM | Reply | Flag:

As I said - depends on how much she knew, and how much she lied to get us into those wars. After WWII, Nuremberg trials were pretty broad. Notice I never specifically called her a war criminal, though. "Either criminal, or criminally inept." I avoid that, however much my fellow lefties do, because she may in no way legally match the definition. Wars of aggression are generally illegal under international treaties. Waterboarding was one of the tortures Japanese were hung for after WWII. So - was she part of the decision to carry out those actions, or merely a cheerleader? I don't know. I do however, believe everyone in that administration who did not speak out against their actions, but rather spoke on behalf of them, did ours and other nations a great disservice. Then, there are those in the Army I served with who will never come back - and I firmly place their blood on the hands of that group. That makes it a little personal. I don't see them as distant politicians who made mistakes. I see them as the people responsible for the deaths of friends of mine, who have never even faced the threat of trial.

Perhaps that just leaves me incapable of impartiality. Partial or impartial, I have no respect for what they did, be it lie or mistake.

#93 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2014-05-06 01:18 AM | Reply | Flag:

It should be pointed out that it is the Obama administration that refused to even look into prosecuting the Bush admin for war crimes. Had that not been one of Obama's many spineless failures to have anything remotely to do with "hope and change," Ms. Rice might well actually bear that grim title legally and factually as well as derogatorily.

---------

You are mistaking corruption for cowardliness. A whore is not a coward. There are no mistakes. There is only the fascisti and what it wants. Both parties are owned.

#94 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-05-06 03:48 AM | Reply | Flag:

#85 | Posted by Shawn

As flattered as I am to have been included in "the group". I recall on multiple occasions (don't know the exact threads) that I thought the bipartisan system was complete crap and needed to be done away with. I hardly see how that makes me a fascist nor do I see how that aligns me with either of the two parties. Does that count as obfuscating?

#95 | Posted by mariosanchez at 2014-05-06 05:42 AM | Reply | Flag:

#53 | POSTED BY AFKABL2 AT 2014-05-05 07:18 PM | REPLY | FLAG

[...] You inject it into the argument and then cry racism. Your one trick is sooooo olllldddd. [...]

#96 | Posted by 726 at 2014-05-06 08:25 AM | Reply | Flag:

If Rice "participated in getting 4,000+ American soldiers killed over lies" then Kerry, H. Clinton, and Biden are in that mix too as well as a host of Democrat Congressmen who put their stamp of approval on the Iraq war.

#64 | Posted by sames1 at 2014-05-05 09:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

All the deflections in the world won't clean up Rice's resume. [...]

#97 | Posted by sully at 2014-05-06 09:16 AM | Reply | Flag:

#53 | POSTED BY AFKABL2 AT 2014-05-05 07:18 PM | REPLY | FLAG

[...] You inject it into the argument and then cry racism. Your one trick is sooooo olllldddd. [...]

#96 | Posted by 726 at 201

"dude, that was like two years ago"...

sorry..wanted to be JUST LIKE obama's communication people..

okay I"LL say it...YOU"RE A RACIST because you don't like condi rice....

there..hope that made you happy...

#98 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-05-06 11:04 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

"It is in New Jersey though. Maybe she was afraid of getting stuck in traffic for 4-5 hours."

That was also probably weighty in her decision.

#81 | Posted by mariosanchez at 2014-05

read this 7../..

maybe you can get some sort of a sense of humor..

#99 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-05-06 11:06 AM | Reply | Flag:

#97 All these left posts about Rice lying us into wars and that Kerry and Clinton had no responsabilty in voting to go to war just goes to show why idiots in the Democratic party get elected.

#100 | Posted by fishpaw at 2014-05-06 11:25 AM | Reply | Flag:

"#97 All these left posts about Rice lying us into wars and that Kerry and Clinton had no responsabilty in voting to go to war just goes to show why idiots in the Democratic party get elected."

They bought in because they didn't want to seem weak on terrer and hurt their reelection chances. Most of the electorate was ignorant or in denial that they were being lied to.
#shockdoctrine

#101 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2014-05-06 11:29 AM | Reply | Flag:

sorry..wanted to be JUST LIKE obama's communication people..

Weak sauce. Not surprised.

#102 | Posted by 726 at 2014-05-06 11:41 AM | Reply | Flag:

once rice and bush and cheney and rumsfeld et al have been convicted and sentenced we can then move on the enablers on the other side of the aisle...

#103 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-05-06 11:42 AM | Reply | Flag:

okay I"LL say it...YOU"RE A RACIST because you don't like condi rice....
there..hope that made you happy...

#98 | POSTED BY AFKABL2 AT 2014-05-06 11:04 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

That does not make me happy.

But why bother to inject race into the issue in the first place?

So now I am to blame for pointing out your race baiting.

Jesus.

#104 | Posted by 726 at 2014-05-06 11:43 AM | Reply | Flag:

Clinton and Kerry voted for the war.

How does that excuse Condi lying and cheerleading for it?

It doesn't.

#105 | Posted by 726 at 2014-05-06 11:45 AM | Reply | Flag:

Clinton and Kerry had the same intel as Rice and Bush so to say they only voted for the war so they could get elected says two things; 1. They were too lazy to read and study the intel 2. They will do anything to get re-elected. Thanks for varifying that your party's leaders are lazy self serving scum.

#106 | Posted by fishpaw at 2014-05-06 11:52 AM | Reply | Flag:

#97 All these left posts about Rice lying us into wars and that Kerry and Clinton had no responsabilty in voting to go to war just goes to show why idiots in the Democratic party get elected.

#100 | Posted by fishpaw at 2014-05-06 11:25 AM | Reply | Flag:

I don't like Clinton and Kerry either. But your emotional investment in the reputation of traitors is offputting. "Deflection" is a horrible brand of ---- polish. You should ask yourself why you even bother. Why do you feel compelled to defend horrible human beings who could care less about you?

#108 | Posted by Sully at 2014-05-06 12:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

"How does that excuse Condi lying and cheerleading for it?

It doesn't."

Kerry and Clinton were cheerleaders for the war... hello???? God you liberals slant things beyond truth.

"Thank you very much for contacting me to express your support for the actions of President Bush in response to the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. From the outset of the invasion, I have strongly and unequivocally supported President Bush's response to the crisis and the policy goals he has established with our military deployment in the Persian Gulf." Senator Kerry to Wallace Carter, January 31 [1991]

Oct 9, 2002: "I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." Senate Speech - Senator Kerry

Need I quote Hillary Clinton as well? To save space I won't.

Bill Clinton paved the way for the Iraq war by ramping up the conversation as well... forget that did ya?

"The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow." -- Bill Clinton in 1998

#110 | Posted by sames1 at 2014-05-06 12:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

Condi cheerleading for the war is a bit different than Kerry and Hillary cheering for it. The latter two had the power to vote for it. Condi didn't.

#112 | Posted by goatman at 2014-05-06 12:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

#109 | Posted by fishpaw at 2014-05-06 12:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

[...] I've already said why Rice is a lowlife. That you can't read isn't my problem.

And I'm not interested in helping you derail the thread by talking about Clinton and Kerry. [...]

#114 | Posted by Sully at 2014-05-06 12:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

Condi cheerleading for the war is a bit different than Kerry and Hillary cheering for it. The latter two had the power to vote for it. Condi didn't.

#112 | Posted by goatman at 2014-05-06 12:15 PM | Reply

I came to this thread late. It's a good thing I did since I've learned a lot from the resident posters. Really; Kerry and Hillary voted for the war?----what despicable people they are. The next thing you're going to tell me is these 2 neocons will someday be the Secretary of State. How crazy can this country continue to get.

#116 | Posted by matsop at 2014-05-06 12:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's classic Sully.
Hey Sully why do you think Rice is a lowlife?
Sully: "Cuz"
Hey Sully why is it ok that Kerry and Clinton voted for the war?
Sully: "Cuz"

#109 | Posted by fishpaw at 2014-05-06 12:12 PM | Reply

Sully, develop a little sense of humor----don't ya think that's a little funny. Self-deprecating humor is some of the best----your hero, the Obummer needs to learn that principle a little.

#117 | Posted by matsop at 2014-05-06 12:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

Why do you feel compelled to defend horrible human beings who could care less about you?

#108 | Posted by Sully at 2014-05-06 12:10 PM | Reply |

Maybe we should ask for the answer to that question from the 4 individuals that died in Benghazi----especially the 2 sitting on the top of a building holding off their attackers for hours while awaiting help from the country they had pledged their allegiance to. But then again, maybe "no man left behind" only applies to the marines.

#118 | Posted by matsop at 2014-05-06 12:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

Maybe we should ask for the answer to that question from the 4 individuals that died in Benghazi----especially the 2 sitting on the top of a building holding off their attackers for hours while awaiting help from the country they had pledged their allegiance to. But then again, maybe "no man left behind" only applies to the marines.

#118 | Posted by matsop

Maybe you should ask some questions about the DOZENS of people that died in 13 consulate attacks during Dubya's administration.

www.policymic.com

The fact that repubs said NOTHING about them yet SCREAM about bengaziiiiii reveals their anger is completely FAKE.

#119 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-05-06 12:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

Sully, read #110. Oh don't bother, forgot that facts are not part of your thought process.

#120 | Posted by fishpaw at 2014-05-06 12:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

Maybe we should ask for the answer to that question from the 4 individuals that died in Benghazi----especially the 2 sitting on the top of a building holding off their attackers for hours while awaiting help from the country they had pledged their allegiance to. But then again, maybe "no man left behind" only applies to the marines.

#118 | Posted by matsop at 2014-05-06 12:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

I've slammed the Obama admin over our involvement in Libya every time it has come up. Maybe you should ask yourself why you assume everyone else is as partisan as you are.

#121 | Posted by Sully at 2014-05-06 12:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

Sully, read #110. Oh don't bother, forgot that facts are not part of your thought process.

#120 | Posted by fishpaw at 2014-05-06 12:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

It doesn't contradict anything I've said about Rice or make her any less of a lowlife. Its an off topic post about two other people who I hold in very low regard.

Posting off topic facts is not the same as having a point. I just had to tell you that. You should be proud.

#122 | Posted by Sully at 2014-05-06 12:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's not a deflection [...] you keep on with the same liberal dribble that you got from talk american and msnbc that Condi Rice and Bush lied us into war and that they are responsible for the thousands of deaths. Without Kerry and Clinton's support we would not have gone to war, and yes they had the same info to make their decision as Bush and Rice. [...]

#123 | Posted by fishpaw at 2014-05-06 01:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

The fact that repubs said NOTHING about them yet SCREAM about bengaziiiiii reveals their anger is completely FAKE.

#119 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-05-06 12:44 PM | Reply | Flag

Big difference. Those previous attacks didn't last for hours. They were all either one bomb going off or a RPG fired at the building. Nobody came out and lied and blamed it on a video and claim it was a protest.

#124 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-05-06 01:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's not a deflection you moron, you keep on with the same liberal dribble that you got from talk american and msnbc that Condi Rice and Bush lied us into war and that they are responsible for the thousands of deaths. Without Kerry and Clinton's support we would not have gone to war, and yes they had the same info to make their decision as Bush and Rice. And don't tell us your not a liberal you dope.

#123 | Posted by fishpaw at 2014-05-06 01:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

If Clinton and Kerry were complicite in the crime, it doesn't make Rice any less of a dirtbag for her role.

Bush and Rice and the rest are still responsible for their betrayal regardless of who supported them.

I just had to explain that to you so don't tell me you're not a retard.

#125 | Posted by Sully at 2014-05-06 01:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

Big difference. Those previous attacks didn't last for hours. They were all either one bomb going off or a RPG fired at the building. Nobody came out and lied and blamed it on a video and claim it was a protest.

#124 | Posted by Dalton

That's what you call a "big" difference? The length of the attack?

The only "big" difference is the party and race of the president when the attacks happened.

I'm sure you don't care at all that it was the house GOP who cut funding for consulate security either right?

#126 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-05-06 01:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'm sure you don't care at all that it was the house GOP who cut funding for consulate security either right?

#126 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-05-06 01:40 PM | Reply | Flag

Except they didn't say "we declined extra security b/c we had no money". If you don't think a sustained attack that took place in two parts isn't a significant difference than I don't know what to tell you. This attack is different b/c of the amount of people and coordination also. There is a big difference than one RPG fired at a embassy.

#127 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-05-06 01:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

I noticed you went straight to you're race card crutch too w/out addressing the lies about the video.

#128 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-05-06 01:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

If Benghazi wasn't a big deal Obama or the administration would have released all of the information and told the truth instead of the lies that we now know were coming from the administration and not the CIA.

#129 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-05-06 01:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

Clearly we can now see how far the political spectrum has become corrupt with democrat ignorance.

Now our higher educational system has become powerful in political slanting without regard to law. Democratic left liberals have now really run amuck.

#130 | Posted by moneywar at 2014-05-06 01:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

The fact that repubs said NOTHING about them yet SCREAM about bengaziiiiii reveals their anger is completely FAKE.

#119 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-05-06 12:44 PM | Reply | Flag

Big difference. Those previous attacks didn't last for hours. They were all either one bomb going off or a RPG fired at the building. Nobody came out and lied and blamed it on a video and claim it was a protest.

#124 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-05-06 01:12 PM | Reply |

Dalton, thanks for the response to our "apple to apple" comparison friend. I was going to respond with the same point but didn't think it was worth it since I knew it wouldn't penetrate his cranium.

#131 | Posted by matsop at 2014-05-06 01:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Nobody came out and lied and blamed it on a video and claim it was a protest."

Because there hadn't been another attack shortly before the Benghazi attack which was a protest of that video so it wasn't exactly a lie when it was assumed, at first, that this was more of the same. As soon as they got the correct information it was delivered to the public but Republicans saw a tiny opening in which to try and create a controversy.

#132 | Posted by danni at 2014-05-06 02:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

What would she have been charged with? I'm not being snarky -- I just didn't think the Secretary of State had the power to do anything that could be called war criminal.
goatman

she was also a national security advisor, i'm surprised you didn't know that. and in that capacity she signed off on the authorization for the use of torture.

#133 | Posted by cjk85 at 2014-05-06 02:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

The new Rhodes email proves the lie. First the administration said they played no roll in the talking points. Then we found out they did make changes but, they were just cosmetic. Then this latest email comes out and shows they wanted to push the video instead of policy failures.

#134 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-05-06 02:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

she was also a national security advisor, i'm surprised you didn't know that. and in that capacity she signed off on the authorization for the use of torture.

As an advisor, she had no authority to sign off on such a thing. Only the president does. I'm surprised you didn't know that.

#135 | Posted by goatman at 2014-05-06 02:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Ambassador Rice went on those shows and she said that the attack in Benghazi was rooted in protests over an Internet video. We now know that that was not true; that, in fact, the CIA Director Morell just -- former Director Morell just testified last month that ‘when she talked about the video, my reaction was, that's not something the analysts have attributed this attack to.' It did not come from the CIA."

Then there is this.

#136 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-05-06 02:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

Does anyone doubt for even a second that there would be the exact same protest in response if it were Rumsfeld as opposed to Condi Rice getting the honor? I don't. This has nothing to do with race, except in the mind of race obsessed rightwingers.

#137 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-05-06 03:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

If Benghazi wasn't a big deal Obama or the administration would have released all of the information and told the truth instead of the lies that we now know were coming from the administration and not the CIA.

#129 | Posted by Dalton

Sure. Cause the the CIA and foreign policy departments are always so forthcoming with details of how they operate.

Seriously? Your argument is - the CIA won't tell us everything therefore obama should be impeached?

#138 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-05-06 03:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

The new Rhodes email proves the lie. First the administration said they played no roll in the talking points. Then we found out they did make changes but, they were just cosmetic. Then this latest email comes out and shows they wanted to push the video instead of policy failures.

#134 | Posted by Dalton

Wow, it sounds like you have a ton of info on the topic. Just so you're aware - it makes you sound like every other chump at fox news.

All these talking points and events "painting a picture" of... well... SOMETHING.

You don't even know what to accuse anyone of other than BAD STUFF that obama or hillary must pay for! As soon as we decide what they did.

But the bottom line is foreign service is risky and sometimes bad things happen. When 13 embassy attacks happened under bush, you didn't care. 1 happens under obama, and you think he should be punished.

Republican accountability applies to everyone but themselves.

#139 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-05-06 03:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

Does anyone doubt for even a second that there would be the exact same protest in response if it were Rumsfeld as opposed to Condi Rice getting the honor? I don't. This has nothing to do with race, except in the mind of race obsessed rightwingers.

#137 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-05-06 03:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

Its not even plural. Uncle Babbles is the only one playing the race card. Its not unusual for him to be the only one saying whatever it he's saying.

#140 | Posted by sully at 2014-05-06 03:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

Republicans...LOL.

Let's here how much accountability the democrats have had in the last 6 years.

#141 | Posted by moneywar at 2014-05-06 03:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

How is the vets hospitals doing?

How is obamacare going?

How is the irs going?

How is employment going?

and you have the Kahoona to speak of accountability.

#142 | Posted by moneywar at 2014-05-06 03:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

Sure. Cause the the CIA and foreign policy departments are always so forthcoming with details of how they operate.

Seriously? Your argument is - the CIA won't tell us everything therefore obama should be impeached?

#138 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-05-06 03:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

I never said anything like that Speak. I merely pointed out the difference in previous attacks on Embassies. You're the one that asked I believe. It's not that the CIA failed to release information. It's the WH failed to release information. The recent Rhodes email shows they were hiding the little fact that the change in the talking points came from the WH when they have been lying about that since it happened.

#143 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-05-06 03:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Ambassador Rice went on those shows and she said that the attack in Benghazi was rooted in protests over an Internet video. We now know that that was not true; that, in fact, the CIA Director Morell just -- former Director Morell just testified last month that ‘when she talked about the video, my reaction was, that's not something the analysts have attributed this attack to.' It did not come from the CIA."

Speak how do you explain this sworn testimony and not conclude that the WH knowingly lied about the nature of the attack.

#144 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-05-06 03:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

Republican accountability applies to everyone but themselves.

#139 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-05-06 03:38 PM | Reply | Flag

How many people have been held accountable in this administration for major screw ups?

#145 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-05-06 03:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Ambassador Rice went on those shows and she said that the attack in Benghazi was rooted in protests over an Internet video. We now know that that was not true; that, in fact, the CIA Director Morell just -- former Director Morell just testified last month that ‘when she talked about the video, my reaction was, that's not something the analysts have attributed this attack to.' It did not come from the CIA."

Speak how do you explain this sworn testimony and not conclude that the WH knowingly lied about the nature of the attack.

#144 | Posted by Dalton

Yeah that does sound fishy. Just like EVERYTHING the government does overseas in the interests of our bankers and oil companies. The fact that republicans are clinging to THIS incident as somehow worse than all the rest is what is pathetic about it.

#146 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-05-06 05:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yeah that does sound fishy. Just like EVERYTHING the government does overseas in the interests of our bankers and oil companies. The fact that republicans are clinging to THIS incident as somehow worse than all the rest is what is pathetic about it.

#146 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-05-06 05:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

You keep moving the goalpost by switching what you're outraged about.

#147 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-05-06 05:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

As an advisor, she had no authority to sign off on such a thing. Only the president does. I'm surprised you didn't know that.
goat

here we go. you really think she had no say in the authorization of torture? bush's most trusted national security advisor? come on goat.

#148 | Posted by cjk85 at 2014-05-06 06:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

here we go. you really think she had no say in the authorization of torture?

I didn't say she had no say. I'm saying she couldn't authorize it.

If I advised my neighbor he go rob the local liquor store to help pay his bills and he does it, am I culpable? Can I be sent up the river for doing it?

#149 | Posted by goatman at 2014-05-06 06:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

As an advisor, she had no authority to sign off on such a thing. Only the president does. I'm surprised you didn't know that.

#135 | Posted by goatman

As Secretary of State she had the authority and the information needed to stand up and protest.

Instead she choose to lie.

I am not surprised you didn't know this.

#150 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-05-06 06:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

As Secretary of State she had the authority and the information needed to stand up and protest.

Instead she choose to lie.

I am not surprised you didn't know this.

#150 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

Call the cops and request charges be filed and quit whining. As an American citizen you have that right..

I am not surprised you didn't know this.

#151 | Posted by goatman at 2014-05-06 06:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

RE #150

and I thought you were referring to the topic of the thread Condi Rice...so never mind...

#152 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-05-06 06:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

As Secretary of State she had the authority and the information needed to stand up and protest.

#150 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

You voted for the clown in the executive office whose job it is to execute the laws of this country. (read up on the 'three branches of government' thing. I'm not surprised you are unfamiliar with it) That he isn't doing his job is not my problem. It's yours for voting for him. So whine to him, not me, and kick yourself in the butt for voting for such a loser.

#153 | Posted by goatman at 2014-05-06 06:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

You keep moving the goalpost by switching what you're outraged about.

#147 | Posted by Dalton

Nope. I'm interested in hypocrisy.

If republicans were outraged at dubya's embassy disasters and demanded accountability for them, it would be perfectly reasonable to hold obama to the same standard.

But they were SILENT about those THIRTEEN incidents and enraged about the ONE under obama. It's not even believable and you can see it in their faces during the hearings - they can barely even keep the charade going themselves.

#154 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-05-06 06:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

Condi vs. Hillary
Dick Morris is never wrong.
;-0

#155 | Posted by sentinel at 2014-05-06 07:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

You voted for the clown in the executive office whose job it is to execute the laws of this country. (read up on the 'three branches of government' thing. I'm not surprised you are unfamiliar with it) That he isn't doing his job is not my problem. It's yours for voting for him. So whine to him, not me, and kick yourself in the butt for voting for such a loser.

#153 | Posted by goatman

You should also not be surprised that I have no idea what the heck you are talking about.

How does any of this have anything to do with Condoleezza Rice knowingly lying about WMD and knowingly supporting and defending torture?

#156 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-05-06 07:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

You should also not be surprised that I have no idea what the heck you are talking about.

Nope, I'm not.

#157 | Posted by goatman at 2014-05-06 07:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

"If republicans were outraged at dubya's embassy disasters and demanded accountability for them, it would be perfectly reasonable to hold obama to the same standard. "

13 Embassy attacks under Bush! oh my!!

You fail to realize that the US gets attacked regularly. What we object to is the President and Secretary of State lying and covering up what really happened to make their own posteriors look good. It backfired. They got caught.

We had the attack on the USS Cole in 2000 under Clinton. Clinton didn't cover it up. We gave him a pass, mostly. Still he just "let it slide" and refused to counter.

This Administration ( OBAMA's ) was supposed to be the most transparent Administration ever. They make what Nixon did look like nothing.

#158 | Posted by sames1 at 2014-05-06 08:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

Well this thread exploded while I wasn't looking

RE: #99 | Posted by afkabl2

Really? How old are you, ten? Grow up.

#159 | Posted by mariosanchez at 2014-05-06 09:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

You fail to realize that the US gets attacked regularly. What we object to is the President and Secretary of State lying and covering up what really happened to make their own posteriors look good. It backfired. They got caught.

#158 | Posted by sames1

So you admit that attacks happen, no matter who's in charge and consulates can never be totally safe.

So the republican outrage is about whether obama said terrorism on the first day or not? The entire temper tantrum is about MESSAGING?

The country is in a war against terrorists (or so they tell us.) If you accept that premise, then why do you think they would release strategic details about that an incident in that war to the public? They would use fake press releases and propaganda and lie to us just like they do in any war.

"Oh my god! The commander in chief didn't expose military details to us! Impeach him!!"

#160 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-05-06 10:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

The gop has always been about in your face corruption, I wonder why she folded so easily?

#161 | Posted by fresno500 at 2014-05-07 01:27 AM | Reply | Flag:

If republicans were outraged at dubya's embassy disasters and demanded accountability for them, it would be perfectly reasonable to hold obama to the same standard.

But they were SILENT about those THIRTEEN incidents and enraged about the ONE under obama. It's not even believable and you can see it in their faces during the hearings - they can barely even keep the charade going themselves.

#154 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-05-06 06:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'll explain the difference one more time. The Benghazi attack lasted for hours with mortars etc... There was also a previous attack in June. The attacks under Bush were random one person attacks with RPG's being fired instead of prolonged. Also, no one lied about those attacks to promote the meme that al queda was on the run for the purpose of re election.

#162 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-05-07 09:30 AM | Reply | Flag:

"They would use fake press releases and propaganda and lie to us just like they do in any war."

They lied about Benghazi b/c they had already lied to us about the nature of the Lybian civil war. Obama said he was preventing a slaughter. When he was actually providing weapons and air support for a city and jihadist that had sent multiple fighters to Iraq to kill American soldiers.

#163 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-05-07 09:34 AM | Reply | Flag:

They lied about Benghazi b/c they had already lied to us about the nature of the Lybian civil war. Obama said he was preventing a slaughter. When he was actually providing weapons and air support for a city and jihadist that had sent multiple fighters to Iraq to kill American soldiers.

#163 | Posted by Dalton

Exactly. The US was acting just like the US always does, yet because the prez is a black dem and hillary was sec of state, someone needs to be PUNISHED.

#164 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-05-07 11:50 AM | Reply | Flag:

I'll explain the difference one more time. The Benghazi attack lasted for hours with mortars etc... There was also a previous attack in June. The attacks under Bush were random one person attacks with RPG's being fired instead of prolonged. Also, no one lied about those attacks to promote the meme that al queda was on the run for the purpose of re election.

#162 | Posted by Dalton

You already explained the difference. 13 short attacks = fine by you.
1 longer attack = SCANDAL!

Repubs are so upset about being "lied to" about an embassy attack that killed 14 people, but how upset were they about being lied to about a war that killed half a million and cost 3 trillion? Not at all. So spare us your demands for truth and accountability.

#165 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-05-07 11:53 AM | Reply | Flag:

And you are/were so upset and demanded answers until the black guy and Hillary were in charge.

#166 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-05-07 11:58 AM | Reply | Flag:

And you are/were so upset and demanded answers until the black guy and Hillary were in charge.

#166 | Posted by Dalton a

When they spend 3 trillion dollars and half a million lives invading a nonaggressive nation under false pretenses, let me know.

#167 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-05-07 12:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

When they spend 3 trillion dollars and half a million lives invading a nonaggressive nation under false pretenses, let me know.

#167 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-05-07 12:34 PM | Reply

Try 5 billion dollars and destabalizing a "nonaggressive" nation with the resulting death and burning of a number of individuals----under false pretenses.

#168 | Posted by matsop at 2014-05-07 12:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

As bad as Iraq and Bush was. He never lied us into providing air support for al queda the way Obama and Hillary have.

#169 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-05-07 12:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

As bad as Iraq and Bush was. He never lied us into providing air support for al queda the way Obama and Hillary have.

#169 | Posted by Dalton

No he just started a war that created far more al quaeda than it killed.

#170 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-05-07 12:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

No he just started a war that created far more al quaeda than it killed.

#170 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-05-07 12:50 PM | Reply | Flag

Don't pretend to care about Iraqis. You were just fine when Madeline Notsobright said sanctions were worth starving millions of Iraqi children. You are fine when Obama blows up a wedding party or teenage boys playing on the side of the rode. Also, were attacked prior to the Iraq war so you can't play that card.

#171 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-05-07 12:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

Try 5 billion dollars and destabalizing a "nonaggressive" nation with the resulting death and burning of a number of individuals----under false pretenses.

#168 | Posted by matsop

Exactly. That's 1/1000th the cost and 1/10,000th the fatalities. Only to a true foxwatcher is that even comparable.

#172 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-05-07 12:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

Also, were attacked prior to the Iraq war so you can't play that card.

#171 | Posted by Dalton

Attacked by who? You might be the last one on earth still trying to tie 9/11 to the iraq invasion.

#173 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-05-07 01:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

You might be the last one on earth still trying to tie 9/11 to the iraq invasion.

#173 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-05-07 01:04 PM | Reply | Flag

I've never tied Iraq to 9/11. I just pointed out there jihadist prior to Iraq.

#174 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-05-07 01:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

I've never tied Iraq to 9/11. I just pointed out there jihadist prior to Iraq.

#174 | Posted by Dalton

You said we were attacked before the iraq war. What other attack were you referring to?

#175 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-05-07 01:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

A shame that liberal twisted professors hoodwinked and brainwashed students into believing they know something about the character of Rice.

None of these little mush heads were even yet concerned about acne when all this happened in the world.

#176 | Posted by sames1 at 2014-05-07 05:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

A shame that liberal twisted professors hoodwinked and brainwashed students into believing they know something about the character of Rice.

#176 | Posted by sames1

A bigger shame that seeing her start a 3 trillion dollar war based on cherry picked false intelligence doesn't tell you anything about her character.

#177 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-05-07 06:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

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