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Friday, May 02, 2014

George Will: Earnest moralists lament Americans' distrust of government. What really is regrettable is that government does much to earn distrust, as Terry Dehko, 70, and his daughter Sandy Thomas, 41, understand. Terry, who came to Michigan from Iraq in 1970, soon did what immigrants often do: He went into business, buying Schott's Supermarket in Fraser, Mich., where he still works six days a week. The IRS, a tentacle of a government that spent $3.5 trillion in 2013, tried to steal more than $35,000 from Terry and Sandy that year.

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The fact that this type of activity from the IRS is routine should concern everybody.

This is an interesting topic IMO and hopefully it gets some traffic as it's unrelated to the usual news-cycle stuff.

#1 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-05-01 09:25 AM | Reply | Flag:

"it has Nothing to do with Obama"

According to "the Left", the other IRS scandal didn't either....

#2 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-05-01 12:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

#2

You're referring, of course, to the IRS giving extra scrutiny to the applications for 501(c)(3) and 501(c)(4) tax-exempt status of more liberal/progressive groups than tea suckers.

#3 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2014-05-01 12:04 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

A more accurate headline would have been this:

"IRS seizes innocent citizens' assets..."

Doc,

Your joking, right?

You know what? Nevermind. I don't want this thread to be hijacked into the Obama/IRS thing. This is a separate and unrelated issue and I hope at least a few people take the time to click the link and post some thoughts.

#4 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-05-01 12:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

After my mother-in-law got screwed out of 55k by the IRS I am not surprised by anything they do any more.

They spent years failing to respond to her and then they claimed that it was too late to recover the money they had seized. Glad to see the government can prey on immigrants as well as disabled blind folks.

#5 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2014-05-01 12:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's scary stuff, Tao.

The fact that this property seizure falls under the purview of 'guilty until proven innocent' is such a gross abuse of our property rights and liberties.

The IRS has been given WAY too much power and they are routinely abusing it. This crap MUST be reined in.

#6 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-05-01 12:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

That's the way the irs works sometimes, not so well. I've heard of accounts frozen, under dubious claims, with no attempt to contact victim. I could list several cases for you, all ended up owing nothing.

They have antiquated computer systems and have had some horrible issues trying to deal with them. A couple decades ago they got e d posed actually discarding returns rather then processing them!

#7 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2014-05-01 12:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

I got a love letter from them once, saying I owed almost 4,000.

So I called them. A nice lady got on the phone and tried to figure out what was all about. She was confused, and I said I understood....having to use a patchwork of old systems at my company.

She finally said..oh you never filed last year. I paused and said yes I had filed electronically thru a cpa..and my checks had. Cleared on 4.14

She said...wait,that's not it, then!

She kept on digging while I entertained her and she said to me.....your much more patient then the average person who calls here! ,lol I would have shouted if it would have gotten me anywhere! !

#8 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2014-05-01 01:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

That was the problem with my mother-in-law dave they couldn't figure out why she owed the money.

Sadly they had put a lien on a house she owned and when she sold it they took the money from the sale. Once they have your money good luck ever getting it back.

What was even more messed up is when she retired and went to get SS they tried to deduct the same 55k from her benefits. So not only did she pay it in the first place but then they took it a second time and then tried to take it a 3rd time. It took 3 years to sort out the issue with SS the whole time she got reduced benefits and was trying to live on the 800 a month the offered while they fixed the error. Then when it was resolved she tried to get back benefits from the reduction and as you can guess that never happened. She finally just walked away and took the hit.

Way too much power and no accountability is just a horrible combination.

#9 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2014-05-01 01:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

Ouch.

#10 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2014-05-01 05:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

There should be more avenues of accountability for when a federal agency runs amok and drags people through bureaucratic and financial hell. I know some people who were charged in a $425 million federal indictment over a yellow pages business they ran:

jacksonville.com

The charges were later totally dropped. The feds had misunderstood how the company's banking procedures worked and thought something was illegal that was just a normal accounting practice.

#11 | Posted by rcade at 2014-05-01 07:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

Ah yes... "Terry and Sandy" vs. "a tentacle of government".

Objective reporting at its finest.

#12 | Posted by REDIAL at 2014-05-01 08:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

Ah yes... "Terry and Sandy" vs. "a tentacle of government".
Objective reporting at its finest.

#12 | POSTED BY REDIAL

Seeing how the IRS was completely in the wrong and the court sided with "Terry and Sandy" I'd say the reporting was fairly accurate.

Also, George Will is an opinion writer.

#13 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-05-01 09:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

I had my bank account drained by those vampires once. Luckily my friend, an attorney, took my case without my being able to pay him.
Turned out the IRS was wrong....but try suing them for the expense they cause you when it happens. It cost me several thousands of dollars and could have cost more if the IRS error had not been easy to prove.
I am absolutely in favor of forcing the IRS to get a warrant before they do such things. They seem immune from the Bill of Rights.

#14 | Posted by Diablo at 2014-05-02 12:52 AM | Reply | Flag:

NO Gov agency should be unaccountable, especially one that is perhaps the most intrusive.

#15 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2014-05-02 08:05 AM | Reply | Flag:

Nice job on the headline fix, Rogers.

#16 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-05-02 09:41 AM | Reply | Flag:

IMHO, both the left and the right should be able to agree on this one.

The crux of the article is: "The civil-forfeiture law [...] is an incentive for perverse behavior: Predatory government agencies get to pocket the proceeds from property they seize from Americans without even charging them with, let alone convicting them of, crimes."

The idea that the government has to meet a "beyond a reasonable doubt" standard before locking someone up for a day, but can deprive that same individual of their entire life savings by meeting a much lower (50.0001%)"preponderance of the evidence" standard is utterly ridiculous. In addition, many states shift the burden onto the individual to prove that they did nothing wrong, which is a__-backwards.

#17 | Posted by censored at 2014-05-02 09:52 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

I've got an idea? Let's put the IRS in charge of 1/6th the US economy by handing over health care spending to them! What could possibly go wrong?

#18 | Posted by paneocon at 2014-05-02 10:29 AM | Reply | Flag:

"it has Nothing to do with Obama"

According to "the Left", the other IRS scandal didn't either....

#2 | Posted by MUSTANG

If that is a face................. he has NO control over anyone that works for him. What a deal. That would make him incompentent.

#19 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-05-02 10:35 AM | Reply | Flag:

If you don't want your property confiscated, move to Somalia. Oppressive government it the price we pay for civilization.

#20 | Posted by visitor_ at 2014-05-02 10:59 AM | Reply | Flag:

Oppressive government it the price we pay for civilization.
#20 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

FTFY Oppressive government it the price we pay for voting Democrat.

#21 | Posted by paneocon at 2014-05-02 12:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

FTFY Oppressive government it the price we pay for voting Democrat.
#21 | Posted by paneocon at 2014-05-02 12:02 PM

Your partisan hackery is impressive. Red states are some of the biggest exploiters of civil forfeiture, presumably because they are anti-tax (but someone's got to pay the bills) and because it can be targeted against minorities.

#22 | Posted by censored at 2014-05-02 12:20 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

I believe the IRS mentioned in this article is Federal.

#23 | Posted by visitor_ at 2014-05-02 12:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

I believe the IRS mentioned in this article is Federal.
#23 | Posted by visitor_ at 2014-05-02 12:31 PM

So you're OK with the government stealing money if it's State or Local?

The IRS and other federal agencies have been engaging in this conduct for many administrations, both Republican and Democratic, so I don't understand the basis for suggesting that civil asset forfeiture abuse is somehow the sole responsibility of Democrats.

#24 | Posted by censored at 2014-05-02 12:50 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

When someone in an organization misbehaves, generally we blame the man or woman at the top. The exception seems to be this president who seems to be responsible and accountable for nothing, ever.

#25 | Posted by visitor_ at 2014-05-02 01:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

"When someone in an organization misbehaves, generally we blame the man or woman at the top."

Really? Link??

#26 | Posted by Harry_Powell at 2014-05-02 04:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

I was thinking of the vitriol over situations such as the BP spill. But here's a facetious one for you:

I still blame him for Nicholas Cage.

#23 | POSTED BY HARRY_POWELL AT 2014-04-30 07:01 PM | FLAG:

#27 | Posted by visitor_ at 2014-05-02 04:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

Er.....you are WAAAY off base palsy walsy.

#28 | Posted by Harry_Powell at 2014-05-02 05:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

Abuse by the IRS is older than Obama.

I would 'like' to see the IRS gutted, but even States operating on the principles of minimal government need a budget, so abusive or not, the IRS in some form will stay.

Having said that, even if it guts revenue, incidents like this MUST end.

#29 | Posted by USAF242 at 2014-05-02 08:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

.... Take Your Ball and Go Home!

**** If a Few Million Americans simply REFUSE to Pay the IRS Taxes or even to Fill Out the IRS Forms...then it becomes a Brand New Ball Game! Then it will be the People who SAY how the Game will be Played...if at all!

#30 | Posted by AntiCadillac at 2014-05-02 08:21 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

Good government is honest, responsive, and ethical to all the people. Bad government is responsive only to lobbyists and connected cronies who grease the skids of politicians. Bad government is partisan and owned. The question we must now ourselves is what kind of government does America now have?

Attributed to Cicero. "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague."

#31 | Posted by Robson at 2014-05-03 02:30 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"When someone in an organization misbehaves, generally we blame the man or woman at the top."

Really? Link??

#26 | Posted by Harry_Powell at 2014-05-02 04:23 PM | Reply |

Our corrupt American politicians and media enablers have deceptively brainwashed society to have this strange aversion to holding top officials (like themselves) accountable. They convinced us to worship "W" after 9-11, which was obviously due to the massive failure of government to track visas and watch illegal immigrants.

#32 | Posted by Robson at 2014-05-03 02:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Terry, who came to Michigan from Iraq in 1970"

Iraq is one of the most conservative countries in the world, why would he leave a conservative "paradise" to come to a liberal hell hole ??
Just Asking ?

Arizona is similar to Iraq, without the oil or the charm
Sammy in Arizona and Rhode Island

#33 | Posted by SammyAZ_RI at 2014-05-03 09:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

I've never seen our government and civilization out of control as its' been the last few years. Both wallstreet and the government are corrupt. I believe it'll become worse in the years to come since they in all likelihood will become more desperate as they can't get from under the debt they have. You're going to see all kinds of heavy handedness. The revelations of the NSA spying will be a walk in the park compared to what is potentially in the offing.

#34 | Posted by matsop at 2014-05-03 10:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

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