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Wednesday, April 30, 2014

Pro-Russia militants wielding baseball bats, iron bars and knives attacked a rally for Ukrainian national unity in Donetsk on Monday. Around 1,000 pro-government supporters held a rally in Donetsk on April 28 in support of a united Ukraine. Fourteen people were later wounded when pro-Russia militants wielding baseball bats, iron bars and knives attacked the rally for national unity in the eastern Ukrainian city

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Never happened.

#5 | Posted by danni at 2014-04-29 11:33 AM | Reply | Flag:

What never happened, the very real movement of naval forces into the area or the heavily public and well documented threats levied against Ukraine's ousted President?

#1 | Posted by daniel_3 at 2014-04-29 12:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

Slightly topical: Whatever happens to Russia, the Olympics committee should be disbanded, investigated and persecuted by every nation participating in sending their athletes to the fake event in faked-up Sochi.

The reason those snipers were handy is the same excuse used to militarize Sochi - "terrorist threat".

Never happened.
#5 | Posted by danni at 2014-04-29 11:33 AM
What never happened, the very real movement of naval forces into the area or the heavily public and well documented threats levied against Ukraine's ousted President?
#6 | Posted by daniel_3 at 2014-04-29 12:59 PM

That is a lie intended to re-enforce the concept of "destabilization by radicals". Who's snipers were murdering non-violent protesters? Who caused the free-for-all in Ukraine parliament? Russians, not Ukrainians..

#2 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2014-04-29 02:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

That is a lie intended to re-enforce the concept of "destabilization by radicals". Who's snipers were murdering non-violent protesters? Who caused the free-for-all in Ukraine parliament? Russians, not Ukrainians..

#7 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2014-04-29 02:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yes, it was the Russians sniping everyone from both sides, with Putin directing them personally. No matter if that the whole incident served the purposes of the opposition more than the government, who was increasingly backing down due to outside pressure.

Yes, it was also Putin that paid for and orchestrated the pro-EU movement that devolved into a violent takeover of Parliament and the subsequent ousting, through force in necessary, of opposing elected politicians.

Far be it from the people who voted out the same players running around leading the pro-EU movement to have an issue with the forced takeover in Kiev and the subsequent alienation of a huge section of the electorate. That had nothing to do with any of this.

#3 | Posted by daniel_3 at 2014-04-29 04:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

Who's snipers were murdering non-violent protesters?

#7 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2014-04-29 02:01 PM | Reply

That's open to debate. How about giving me a non-propangandized link to support your conclusion. I have a verifiable phone call from major players in the area that talked about the perpetrators as being part of the Maidan protest--- possibly ultra-nationalists.

#4 | Posted by matsop at 2014-04-29 04:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

"That's open to debate."

No it isn't, there would have been no benefit to the non-seperatists to have instigated the murders and Russian special forces were spotted and photographed carrying out the murders. We're talking Putin here, he is ruthless.

#5 | Posted by danni at 2014-04-30 06:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

DAniel 3, you seem to forget that the Maidan protesters had made an agreement with President Yanokovych, for him to remain as President but for Parliament to have more power. He agred then after the murders he fled the country and couldn't be located for three days after which he showed up in Russia. He has since stated that he deeply regrets his invitation to the Russian troops to invade Crimea. BTW, there is not just the murders that he needs to answer for but the billions missing from the Treasury and it would also be nice if he could exlplain how his son became so filthy rich in just a couple of years....while DAddy was PResident. They looted the Treasury. What strikes me too about the seperatists, most of them look too young to really remember life when they were part of the USSR, now they are so anxious to be part of Russia again and they don't even know what that necessarily even means, the Georgian activists just like them now regret their desire to join Mother Russia. They now live within a fence, isolated, cut off from the rest of the free world.

#6 | Posted by danni at 2014-04-30 06:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

Does the Ukraine have no military left?

#7 | Posted by Tor at 2014-04-30 07:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

the Georgian activists just like them now regret their desire to join Mother Russia. They now live within a fence, isolated, cut off from the rest of the free world.

#11 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2014-04-30 06:46 PM | FLAG:

but they're not getting bombarded with Georgian artillery cannons and rockets, so there's that.

It's a bit worrying in Ukraine though, Russians have managed to evolve war by pretending it's not going on and not moving armies in the traditional sense. I'm going to have to crack some books to figure out who's tried something like this before.

#8 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2014-04-30 08:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

"but they're not getting bombarded with Georgian artillery cannons and rockets, so there's that."

Funny what nations will do when their territory is invaded. Remember, "We're all Georgians today."

#9 | Posted by danni at 2014-04-30 08:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

Funny what nations will do when their territory is invaded. Remember, "We're all Georgians today."

#14 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2014-04-30 08:34 PM | FLAG:

You don't get to just make up your own timeline of what happened. It's actually quite well documented, even Humans Rights Watch has a report on it.

Georgians responded to inaccurate mortar fire from separatists with a huge artillery deployment and shelled a bunch of villages. The Russian army came after that.

www.hrw.org

#10 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2014-04-30 08:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Georgians responded to inaccurate mortar fire from separatists with a huge artillery deployment and shelled a bunch of villages. The Russian army came after that."

I'll take your word for it, wasn't really all that invested in the Georgian thing unlike the situation with Ukraine where I actually have some family connections and thus am quite concerned and anti-seperatist because my family connections there are too.

#11 | Posted by danni at 2014-04-30 08:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

Ukraine & Georgia are 2 quite different things, but could become similar if the Ukrainians don't learn from Georgians mistakes.

Here's the short version:

Georgia has had a separatist issue since it got independence in 91.

Things eventually came to a head. Georgians went tit-for-tat with the separatists. One would mortar and snipe at the other, and each would blame the other for starting it on any given day. It went on for a decade. Ossetian police would should at Georgian police and the other way around. Georgia tried to assassinate Ossetian politicians, Ossetians struck back with car bombs. Eventually the Georgians snapped.

Russians, since they're not stupid, kept a close eye on the situation. With the growth of the FSB, they infiltrated the Georgian government. We monitor metadata, Russians go the cheaper, traditional route. They knew about the Georgian overreaction before it mobilized and warned Ossetians to evacuate. Some did.

The Georgians turned up with a battalion of heavy artillery and shelled civilians and separatists all the same. Here's what the BM-21 Grad company looked like firing: www.youtube.com

It was another 8 days before the Russians mobilized to put a stop to the fighting, pushed into Georgia, dismantled much of their military, then turned around and left just peacekeepers in Ossetia, and allegedly some encroachment in the West were Georgian troops simply fled after a token defense.

While this was going on, that idiot McCain was standing around saying "We're all Georgians now", because Georgia is a geopolitical ally that we willingly turned a blind eye towards as they shelled civilians, drastically damaging our regional credibility.

#12 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2014-05-01 07:29 AM | Reply | Flag:

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