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Saturday, April 26, 2014

John XXIII, revered by Roman Catholic liberals, and John Paul II, beloved by conservatives, will be recognized as saints at a Mass on Sunday as Pope Francis pushes his own vision of a church under a big tent. "The man who took the lid off and the man who tried to put it back on," said Eamon Duffy, a professor of the history of Christianity at the University of Cambridge.

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I'd like to be the first to light those canons.
Wait, what?

#1 | Posted by e1g1 at 2014-04-26 10:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

stay away from crucifixes this weekend....

#2 | Posted by badgerwest at 2014-04-26 10:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

Much as I like John Paul the great they should wait at least a decade before making him a saint.

#3 | Posted by Tor at 2014-04-26 10:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

Friggin' nonsense.

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#4 | Posted by Dave at 2014-04-26 10:55 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

I thought you had to be dead for fifty years before they can canonize you. Did they change that after Mother Teresa died?

#5 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-04-26 11:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

fast tracking him before the big guy finds out about the priest/pedo coverup...

#6 | Posted by badgerwest at 2014-04-27 12:14 AM | Reply | Flag:

Much as I like John Paul the great they should wait at least a decade before making him a saint.

#3 | Posted by Tor

Agreed. The decision should be made when none who were influenced by the time have a say. I include John in that, too.
A saint is someone who should stand outside his time and the only way to see it is to be outside the era in which he or she lived.

#7 | Posted by Diablo at 2014-04-27 02:05 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Although, to be honest about it, Mother Therese is my exception, Tor.

#8 | Posted by Diablo at 2014-04-27 02:44 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

A saint is someone who should stand outside his time and the only way to see it is to be outside the era in which he or she lived.
#7 | Posted by Diablo

I strongly agree with you, Diablo. I feel this is like a marketing thing and a reflection of the fast pace of today's globalized life.

#9 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-04-27 04:31 AM | Reply | Flag:

I'm going to receive some ire over this, I'm sure, but I find the very concept of saints offensive. They were humans. Period. And not even all that good. One man's saint is another man's... feminine hygiene product.

Mother Theresa, for example, enjoyed a rather extravagant lifestyle for where she was and the best in medical care while those she purported to help were told, by her, that their suffering was a blessing.

Johhny Paul was clearly complicit in the kiddie diddling that when on under his watch.

Yes, they both did some good, but they also both participated in some very bad things. Saints to some, swine to others.

#10 | Posted by RevDarko at 2014-04-27 07:05 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

www.cnbc.com

"He has railed against the "tyranny" of global capitalism and the "idolatry of money" but even Pope Francis needs a little corporate coin sometimes – as proven by the list of sponsors for Sunday's canonizations.

An oil and gas giant, several banks and Switzerland-based food megacorp Nestle are among more than a dozen financial backers of the Rome event."

#11 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2014-04-27 09:19 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Johhny Paul was clearly complicit in the kiddie diddling that when on under his watch."

Actually, he appointed Ratzinger to reform the clergy. If you notice, the vast majority of such complaints that have come to light came before those reforms were enacted. He actually responded to clerical problems before the newspaper stories and lawsuits started.

#12 | Posted by Diablo at 2014-04-27 10:40 AM | Reply | Flag:

#12 | POSTED BY DIABLO

Diablo, by his first paragraph he admits he is trolling. Just his language supports it, rather than any sort of objective opinion, Revs is an emotional one.....

#13 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-04-27 10:50 AM | Reply | Flag:

"To be made a saint in-a the catholic church, you have to have-a four miracles. That's-a the rules, you know. It's-a always been that-a. Four miracles, and-a to prove it. Well, this-a Mother Seton-now they could only prove-a three miracles. But the Pope-he just waved the fourth one. He just waved it! And do you know why? It's-a because she was American. It's all-a politics. We got-a some Italian-a people, they got-a forty, fifty, sixty miracles to their name. They can't-a get in just cause they say there's already too many Italian saints, and this woman comes along with-a three lousy miracles. I understand that-a two of them was-a card tricks."

Father Guido Sarducci

#14 | Posted by danni at 2014-04-27 11:00 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

I guess the christian monotheists need all the "saints" they can get, given all the people that think they are full of sh$t.

#15 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-04-27 03:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

hocus-pocus ...LOL
What a bunch on nonsense, there were no miracles, both of these guys are just regular men, who put their pants on one leg at a time, just like the rest of us. The whole charade is just a money making scheme (and a tax-exempt one at that)

The best weapon against religion is knowledge.
an open mind can never be enslaved by fictitious nonsense

#16 | Posted by SammyAZ_RI at 2014-04-27 05:33 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

How can anyone take this nonsense seriously. What a joke.

#17 | Posted by Laius at 2014-04-27 06:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

10 | Posted by RevDarko

Your comment is mostly B.S.

it is also obvious most of you have no idea what being a saint means

#18 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2014-04-27 07:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

#18 | Posted by PunchyPossum

One thing's for sure...he knows more than you do.

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#19 | Posted by Angrydad at 2014-04-27 09:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

No he doesn't you just want to believe in his lies.
I happen to know a lot about Mother Teresa even the criticisms against her, and anyone who says she livid a luxury life style is either mistaken
or a God Damn liar.
and you have no idea what I know or my experience in life, you are judging my knowledge on your bases of hate and nothing more

#20 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2014-04-27 10:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I happen to know a lot about Mother Teresa even the criticisms against her, and anyone who says she livid a luxury life style is either mistaken
or a God Damn liar."

I have also followed the life of Mother Teresa, perhaps not as much as some but quite a bit, she was the real McCoy. I do not believe she lived in luxury or had great health care while her people did not. If anyone, that I am aware of in my lifetime, should be a Saint it is she though I don't think she ever claimed to have performed a miracle. She did claim though that the suffering she saw made her seriously question her faith, made her agnostic at times. My perception of faith is pretty much based on what I have read of hers.

#21 | Posted by danni at 2014-04-27 10:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

"hocus-pocus ...LOL
What a bunch on nonsense, there were no miracles,"

Please explain it to us then: An inoperable brain aneurysm and Parkinson's disease.
Got a 'scientific' answer?

abcnews.go.com

www.telegraph.co.uk

#22 | Posted by Diablo at 2014-04-28 12:40 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"If anyone, that I am aware of in my lifetime, should be a Saint it is she though I don't think she ever claimed to have performed a miracle"

I am unaware of anything like a miracle attributed to Mother Teresa, Danni, but totally agree with your assessment of her.
To make one's life mission finding the dying in the gutters and bringing them in to be washed and have a dignified death? That is an extraordinary willingness to confront life at its worst every day.
She said she was not trying to solve poverty. She only wanted to "create something beautiful for God." What a remarkable woman.

#23 | Posted by Diablo at 2014-04-28 12:50 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Although, to be honest about it, Mother Therese is my exception, Tor."

I knew a guy who thought she was a figure of speech rather than a real person until two years before she died.

#24 | Posted by Tor at 2014-04-28 01:18 AM | Reply | Flag:

BTW, not a miracle but good news. I checked Kanrei's blog the other day and he got a totally clean diagnosis from the doctors on his cancer. He had not posted for so long I thought the poor guy had hit the worst.
God bless Kanrei and may he return soon.

#25 | Posted by Diablo at 2014-04-28 01:21 AM | Reply | Flag:

Read it here:

kanrei.blogspot.com

#26 | Posted by Diablo at 2014-04-28 01:34 AM | Reply | Flag:

BTW, at the Kanrei link, the first post is wonderful but read the one below it posted in October. The poor fella. I am so happy Kanrei is back.

#27 | Posted by Diablo at 2014-04-28 01:44 AM | Reply | Flag:

"The best weapon against religion is knowledge."

You must be a pacifist.

#28 | Posted by Diablo at 2014-04-28 03:22 AM | Reply | Flag:

Why do so many atheists care who the Catholics decide was a saint? It would be like complaining about the All-Star voting for a sport you had heard about but never watched. All it is is a list of people who the Catholics believe were blessed by God to do good work. All the Catholics are trying to do is provide examples of how to lead a good, Christian life for their followers. Anyone who tries to make it more than that is clearly just trying to cause a scene, nothing more.

#29 | Posted by mariosanchez at 2014-04-28 10:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

"The best weapon against religion is knowledge."

So, is knowledge an acceptable synonym for ignorance or hypocrisy? I just checked the thesaurus and didn't find either of those words under synonyms, but ignorance was listed as an antonym, so you almost got it.

#30 | Posted by mariosanchez at 2014-04-29 01:43 AM | Reply | Flag:

the new pope is a nice PR start, but the church(TM) may be somewhat superficially relevant once again after it comes clean with regards to the kiddie diddling.

who knew what, and when? don't send those -------- up to heaven just yet!

#32 | Posted by Zarathustra at 2014-04-29 01:58 AM | Reply | Flag:

#31 | Posted by Zarathustra a

Nice, very nice,.
not filled with hate at all are you.

#33 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2014-04-29 02:01 AM | Reply | Flag:

and, if they're being properly cannonized, oughtn't they be shot out of a mortar into the ocean, so they can sink with all the other bottom-feeders? it'd only be fitting!

#34 | Posted by Zarathustra at 2014-04-29 02:03 AM | Reply | Flag:

#33,

pray for me, then.

#35 | Posted by Zarathustra at 2014-04-29 02:04 AM | Reply | Flag:

*cannionized

#36 | Posted by Zarathustra at 2014-04-29 02:06 AM | Reply | Flag:

#35 | Posted by Zarathustra at

If it was a real request I would

#37 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2014-04-29 02:16 AM | Reply | Flag:

#37

Why would you feed the trolls like that?

#38 | Posted by mariosanchez at 2014-04-29 02:22 AM | Reply | Flag:

go right ahead. pray for me so I don't have to do so. you've got me covered, right? I'll carry along with my misanthropy and decadence, so long as I've got someone covering my eternal soul, or whatever.

#39 | Posted by Zarathustra at 2014-04-29 02:24 AM | Reply | Flag:

#31 | Posted by Zarathustra at 2014-04-29 01:48 AM | Reply | Flag: Has an interesting view of the size of my donkey

I was merely confused about why people make such a big deal about Catholicism when it isn't their religion. It isn't like they are forcing you to accept these people as holy. If you don't want their religious views to affect the laws, then turning around a yelling about how they should run their religion seems shallow to me.

#40 | Posted by mariosanchez at 2014-04-29 02:29 AM | Reply | Flag:

I'll carry along with my misanthropy and decadence,
39 | Posted by Zarathustra

Yes I am sure you will

#41 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2014-04-29 02:32 AM | Reply | Flag:

"make such a big deal about Catholicism when it isn't their religion"

several centuries of world history would like to have a word with you.

this is called blowback, in the form of cannionization! shoot those old geezers' remains out into the middle of the ocean; nobody wants to deal with them any more. just a blot-out in the history of religious confusion and similar absurdities.

#42 | Posted by Zarathustra at 2014-04-29 02:36 AM | Reply | Flag:

as long as we're shaking things up in the catholic church by stuffing the remains of former hol(e)y men into cannons, isn't it high time to levy a substantial tax on the multifarious religious institutions in this country? they've all been getting a pass on the basis of pure -------- for far too long.

tax the churches!

#43 | Posted by Zarathustra at 2014-04-29 02:43 AM | Reply | Flag:

#42 and #43

A word with world history about what? I don't agree with the Catholic church's teachings, and I believe they have had their fair share of corrupt leaders who got power hungry.

What do you hope to prove by firing their corpses into the ocean? Do you like it when people look at you like a jerk? Do you think that it will change anything? No, you will just look like an angsty teenager whose parents forced them to go to church as a child.

Yes, tax the churches who have been getting a pass on the basis of being charitable. You know what? Let's just abolish all charities, what good have they done me lately? What a wonderful politician you would make...

#44 | Posted by mariosanchez at 2014-04-29 03:15 AM | Reply | Flag:

if I may answer your many queries slightly out of order:

"A word with world history about what?"

wars for religious unity or subjugation. don't play coy with me, unless you're totally ignorant of continental european history.

"What do you hope to prove by firing their corpses into the ocean?"

peace and prosperity, of course!

"an angsty teenager whose parents forced them to go to church as a child."

actually, I've never been to church -- thank odin! -- excepting a couple of heathen weddings and a time I was dragged along as a kid while staying the night at a friend's house. Gawd damn.

"Do you like it when people look at you like a jerk? Do you think that it will change anything?"

Respectively, yes, and no.
This is an an anonymous handle for expressing opinions which might otherwise be ostricized. If the hol(e)y rollers think I'm a jerk, then that's fine by me.
Do you think YOUR line of inquiry will change anything?

"Let's just abolish all charities"

fallacious overinterpolation. next.

#45 | Posted by Zarathustra at 2014-04-29 03:37 AM | Reply | Flag:

"wars for religious unity or subjugation. don't play coy with me, unless you're totally ignorant of continental european history."

45 | Posted by Zarathustra at

all wars are about power, resource and money.
if there was no religion the wars would still be fought, but then I am sure you know this.
this was just another excuse to be ------

#46 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2014-04-29 05:18 AM | Reply | Flag:

#45

So, World History wants a word with me about people who I believe were misguided and who I have never met? Sounds fine with me.

I think you are mistaken about what I was trying to do. I was curious as to why someone would take such strong opinions about Catholicism and who they deem worthy of sainthood. Does the existence of Catholicism hurt this person in some way? Were they abused by a Catholic Priest as a child? Would they be Catholic if Catholicism wasn't so hypocritical? I don't have any frame of reference for why someone would feel the need to tell a group of people how they should run their system of beliefs, so I was genuinely curious. The only thing I could come up with is that they wanted to cause a scene and had no real agenda to change anything. I apologize if anything I said was confusing or offensive to you in any way.

#47 | Posted by mariosanchez at 2014-04-29 07:35 AM | Reply | Flag:

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