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Monday, February 24, 2014

Though many in the West see the Ukrainian crisis as a case of self-determination being violently curtailed by a bullying outside force, Russian government officials see it far differently. A spokesman for Russian leader Vladimir Putin spokesman blamed Kiev's chaos on "extremists" who are using violence in "an attempt to carry out a coup." Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said, "We cannot characterize what is happening in Ukraine as anything except a violent attempt to seize power. Many western countries, who have tried to interfere in events and played games with insurgents, are also to blame. The west has solidly, repeatedly and shamefully avoided criticism of the actions of extremists, including Nazi elements."

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Russian media – the state-controlled television specifically – have shown images of chaos and violence that seem intended to show the dangers of an unstable Ukraine.

Western media has been sympathetic to the protesters, while Russian state media has focused on victims among the security forces. RT, a Russian state-sponsored network, has shown a continuous livestream of Independence Square with two sentences of context:

"Violence has engulfed central Kiev, with rioters burning tires and throwing fireworks at the security forces. Ukraine authorities are set to launch a counter-terror operation across the country."

What's a nice guy like Vlad doing in a place like this?

#1 | Posted by Corky at 2014-02-23 12:05 AM | Reply | Flag:

Glad Obama is speaking out, although I know not which news source to trust about the revolt.
He compares well with FDR, who ignored the starvation of millions of Ukrainians by Stalin. If any president had chummed up to Hitler the way FDR did to Stalin, we would have urinals in his image.

#2 | Posted by Diablo at 2014-02-23 04:04 AM | Reply | Flag:

Russia's next moves, to continue sending their goons to bloody the streets, then to send in their troops to 'protect' the Ukrainians.

#3 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2014-02-23 12:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

Ukraine Charts Course to Europe, Wants 'Neighborly' Russia Ties

KIEV -- Acting President Oleksander Turchinov said on Sunday Ukraine would try to improve relations with Russia but made clear that Kiev's return to European integration would be the priority.

In an address to the nation, Turchinov spelled out the enormity of the task facing Ukraine's new leadership following the fall of Viktor Yanukovich, including stabilizing an economy which he said was close to default and "heading into the abyss."

"We recognize the importance of relations with the Russian Federation and are ready for dialogue with the Russian leadership in order to build relations with this country on a new, truly equitable and good-neighborly basis," he said.

But he added: "Another priority is the return to the path of European integration ... We must return to the family of European nations."

www.nbcnews.com

"Howdy neighborinski!"

https://www.truthwinsout.org/ wp-content/uploads/2013/06/ valadimirhorse.jpg

#4 | Posted by Corky at 2014-02-23 06:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

www.truthwinsout.org

#5 | Posted by Corky at 2014-02-23 06:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

Wanna see riots here. Just cut off food stamps.

#6 | Posted by Ray at 2014-02-23 06:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

Wanna see riots here. Just cut off food stamps.

Posted by Ray

Even worse....require work - OMG!

#7 | Posted by Greatamerican at 2014-02-23 06:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

Have the Russkies turned off the gas to western Ukraine yet?

#8 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2014-02-24 09:09 AM | Reply | Flag:

Have the Russkies turned off the gas to western Ukraine yet?

#8 | POSTED BY DOC_SARVIS

Nope. They'll need the gas to fire the ovens.

#9 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-02-24 09:13 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Glad Obama is speaking out..."

I think he may have drawn a line too.

#10 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-02-24 09:35 AM | Reply | Flag:

This is part of a series of broken promises made to Gorbachev by the USA. The plan is to surround Russia and China with missiles, while pretending Iran is a threat to Poland.

#11 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-02-24 09:58 AM | Reply | Flag:

#11

lol, the "Blame America First" crowd.

#12 | Posted by Corky at 2014-02-24 10:27 AM | Reply | Flag:

#11
lol, the "Blame America First" crowd.

#12 | POSTED BY CORKY

No.

More like the "Blame America first, second, third, (...insert N. Korea...), fifth, sixth....

I don't have a problem with the foreign policy criticisms of the US on their face. It's when the absurd and gut-wrenching moral equivalencies get so cavalierly tossed about that I want to vomit.

Do the Nutcases of the Retort not get the risible irony of labeling their own government in the worst possible global/historical terms yet being steadfastly protected by said Country's bill of rights from retaliation from that very same government?

PS to Nutcase - If I misconstrue your arguments PLEASE clarify. That is not my intent.

#13 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-02-24 10:43 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Do the Nutcases of the Retort not get the risible irony of labeling their own government in the worst possible global/historical terms yet being steadfastly protected by said Country's bill of rights from retaliation from that very same government?""

that depends on whether or not nutcase is a pseudonym for a guy named edward snowden.

#14 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-02-24 11:41 AM | Reply | Flag:

Putin must have read Alenski, "All oppression must be demonized". Rules for Radicals is the new political play book.

#15 | Posted by docnjo at 2014-02-24 11:55 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Putin must have read Alinsky"

he found the book at the thrift store and it had obama's name scrawled in indelible pen on the inside cover.

#16 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-02-24 12:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

The pattern of US aggression and interference in the affairs of other countries is obvious to any impartial observer. These behaviors violate our founding principles. But most Americans are completely unaware.

It is a fact that the US Ambassador to the Ukraine bragged last December that the US has invested $5 billion destabilizing the Ukraine. It is also appears that the uprising in Western Ukraine has gotten away from us and into the hands of Nazis. We should be aware and hope that this situation does not result in a confrontation between the US and Russia.

Why do these things happen and why do they usually not turn out as the conspirators intended? On Bill Moyers this week Mike Lofgren, a former Congressional Budget analyst, asserts that it is not a conspiracy but it is a consequence of what he terms a "Deep State" operating in their individual boxes and sending our nation completely off course.

billmoyers.com

#17 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-02-24 02:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

#2 Diablo "Glad Obama is speaking out, although I know not which news source to trust about the revolt. He compares well with FDR, who ignored the starvation of millions of Ukrainians by Stalin. If any president had chummed up to Hitler the way FDR did to Stalin, we would have urinals in his image."

We all face the underlying problem of recognizing reality from deception. The public via the smoke and mirrors of social media and the orchestrated media have no way to separate reality from the deception of provocateurs. Those who control the media control the minds.

Ukrainians suffered millions who died in their own holocaust that to this day goes under-reported. I have no doubt that many that have found their way into influential positions in our government and in our media, such as those pushing gun control for the serfs, have ancestral ties to the commies and Russian Bolsheviks that did the deed in the Ukraine.

#18 | Posted by Robson at 2014-02-24 02:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

Even worse....require work - OMG!

#7 | Posted by Greatamerican

How are you going to require the 1%ers to actually work?

Good luck with that. Sounds like an aweful lot like Communism to me.

"Everyone works in communism. Those who don't work don't eat."

#19 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-02-24 03:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

No excuses for Putin who should stay out of it, but here's John McCain palling around with Neo-Nazis:

http://imgur.com/a/1ghhi/

Isn't palling around with Neo-Nazis and terrorists supposed to be against US law?

#20 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2014-02-24 03:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

Russia's next moves, to continue sending their goons to bloody the streets, then to send in their troops to 'protect' the Ukrainians.

No, they will "liberate the grateful Ukranians" in about six weeks and for $40 billion, tops, and restore the legally elected government.

Isn't it amazing that the same crowd who cheered on Americans dying to "spread democracy" in the ME suddenly find themselves cheering for the violent overthrow of an elected government? At the same time as they criticize Putin for foreign interventions just days after they cheered him on for his intervention in Syria?

Appaently for conservatives, the correct foreign policy is any one that they can criticize Obama for. Haven't seen any proposals from them on what to do, and we all know they oppose any kind of military intervention.

Unless, of course, Obama rules it out.

#21 | Posted by northguy3 at 2014-02-24 04:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

I expect the Ukraine will go the way of Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia. Split into ethnically "pure" countries, then generally ignored by the rest of the world.

#22 | Posted by northguy3 at 2014-02-24 04:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

When the media shows Police snipers picking off protesters who do you think is the problem? Don't forget who actually started the violence in this. It was the pro-Russian Yanukovych.

Look if there is any wonder in your mind why actual Ukrainians want nothing to do with the USSR go read what you can find on Holodomor. As already said by others, what Russians did to the Ukrainians is incredibly bad. In many respects worse than the Nazi holocaust. True Ukrainians remember this. Now the ethnic Russians that are in the Ukraine, they don't and fear losing the tight connection to mother Russia. Tragic really.

Throw in the UTTER corruption that has continued to engulf Russia and the totalitarian state it has become under Putin - these people have one chance to fight for what they want. All the former Soviet nations that are under the wing of Russia are now dictatorships.

#23 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2014-02-24 06:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

21. what a twisted bunch of garbage. You make no sense while trying to put words in my mouth. My comments stand. Yours are a hunch of junk.

#24 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2014-02-24 09:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

The Deep State does not consist of the entire government. It is a hybrid of national security and law enforcement agencies: the Department of Defense, the Department of State, the Department of Homeland Security, the Central Intelligence Agency and the Justice Department. I also include the Department of the Treasury because of its jurisdiction over financial flows, its enforcement of international sanctions and its organic symbiosis with Wall Street. All these agencies are coordinated by the Executive Office of the President via the National Security Council. Certain key areas of the judiciary belong to the Deep State, such as the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, whose actions are mysterious even to most members of Congress. (Lofgren)

#25 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-02-24 09:45 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

The Deep State is the big story of our time. It is the red thread that runs through the war on terrorism, the financialization and deindustrialization of the American economy, the rise of a plutocratic social structure and political dysfunction. Washington is the headquarters of the Deep State, and its time in the sun as a rival to Rome, Constantinople or London may be term-limited by its overweening sense of self-importance and its habit, as Winwood Reade said of Rome, to "live upon its principal till ruin stared it in the face." "Living upon its principal," in this case, means that the Deep State has been extracting value from the American people in vampire-like fashion.

#26 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-02-24 11:41 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Lets not forget why the Ukraine dose not trust their neighbors to the north, about eight million reasons. Ask why their is so many ethnic Russians in their country now. After Stalin murdered 30% of their population, they were moved in to farm the fields that were vacated by his victims.

#27 | Posted by docnjo at 2014-02-26 10:35 AM | Reply | Flag:

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