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Thursday, February 20, 2014

Members of the Russian protest punk band Pussy Riot were attacked in Sochi by Cossack militia armed with horsewhips. The clash took place as Tolokonnikova, Alyokhina and one other Pussy Riot member sought to stage an action in the center of Sochi, about 30 kilometers north of the main Olympic Park. They were immediately surrounded by uniformed security personnel who appeared to be Cossacks. The band members were whipped repeatedly with horsewhips and roughly handled, video footage showed. At one point Tolokonnikova was thrown to the ground and her coat thrown on top of her. Several uniformed Cossacks pulled the women's ski-masks off them, punched them repeatedly and whipped them. Tolokonnikova wrote on tolokno that they had been attempting to stage a new performance titled "Putin will teach you to love the motherland."

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News from that bastion of human and civil rights, freedom and democracy, Vlad's Russia.

If not the land of the free, certainly the home of the brave.

#1 | Posted by Corky at 2014-02-20 12:19 AM | Reply | Flag:

Idiots vs --------.

I dislike them both.

#2 | Posted by Tor at 2014-02-20 12:25 AM | Reply | Flag:

News from that bastion of human and civil rights, of freedom of expression and horse whips, Vlad's Russia.

If not the land of the free, then certainly the home of the brave.

#3 | Posted by Corky at 2014-02-20 12:50 AM | Reply | Flag:

Cossacks attacking people with whips.

It's an anachronism come to life.

#4 | Posted by Tor at 2014-02-20 12:50 AM | Reply | Flag:

Pussy Riot is becoming Cindy Sheehan: destroying their potential by overkilling the dramatics and number of appearances.
I wonder why the intellectuals and journalists of the west were not as concerned in the 1930's about far more brutal Russian oppression against far more legitimate groups?

#5 | Posted by Diablo at 2014-02-20 02:19 AM | Reply | Flag:

Pussy Riot is becoming Cindy Sheehan: destroying their potential by overkilling the dramatics and number of appearances.
I wonder why the intellectuals and journalists of the west were not as concerned in the 1930's about far more brutal Russian oppression against far more legitimate groups?

#3 | POSTED BY DIABLO

1930's internet was awfully slow.

#7 | Posted by CrisisStills at 2014-02-20 08:02 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

"Pussy Riot is becoming Cindy Sheehan"

For the record....Cindy Sheehan was proven to be absolutely correct in her questioning of Dubya about why her son and thousands of others along with hundreds of thousands of Iraqis needed to die in a war of choice. Cindy Sheehan has more honor in her pinky than Dubya's entire treasonous family.

#8 | Posted by danni at 2014-02-20 08:12 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 8

Pussy Riot has more honor in their pinky than Obama.

#9 | Posted by wisgod at 2014-02-20 08:23 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"Pussy whipped" means something entirely different in Russia.

#13 | Posted by Sully at 2014-02-20 09:41 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 2

#3

Blaming the victims again.

#15 | Posted by Corky at 2014-02-20 10:16 AM | Reply | Flag:

Why we do ANY business with the bastards in Russia is beyond me...

#16 | Posted by e1g1 at 2014-02-20 10:18 AM | Reply | Flag:

" against far more legitimate groups?"

More legitimate? Admit it, were you in Russia, you'd be siding with the Cossacks.

#17 | Posted by danni at 2014-02-20 10:19 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

It took guts for Pussy Riot to stage that protest performance in Sochi. The oppression against political dissidents in Russia is massive under Putin. Every time they try to motivate people to stand up and fight his government, they risk being thrown in prison again or worse.

#18 | Posted by rcade at 2014-02-20 11:34 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 6

Oh please. Those Russian cops were a bunch of amateurs. Any USA cop would have had those chicks on the ground with a boot on their neck within 10 seconds.

#19 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2014-02-20 11:39 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"For the record...."

For the record as well, I agreed with Sheehan about that war for the most part at the time, Danni, but got angry at the way she was used as a prop. She obviously had mental issues dealing with her loss.

#20 | Posted by Diablo at 2014-02-20 12:15 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"Admit it, were you in Russia, you'd be siding with the Cossacks."

You know, Danni, that tactic of assigning a view to someone he or she does not hold is juvenile.

#21 | Posted by Diablo at 2014-02-20 12:16 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

#18 | POSTED BY DIABLO AT 2014-02-20 12:15 PM | FLAG: Sure you did

#22 | Posted by bocaink at 2014-02-20 12:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

Those Russians are so kinky.

#23 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-02-20 02:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Admit it, were you in Russia, you'd be siding with the Cossacks."

You know, Danni, that tactic of assigning a view to someone he or she does not hold is juvenile.

#19 | Posted by Diablo

Well. Would you?

#24 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-02-20 04:12 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

How does sign up to become a Cossack? That looks like fun.

#25 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2014-02-20 04:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

I agreed with Sheehan about that war for the most part at the time, Danni, but got angry at the way she was used as a prop.

So are you saying Pussy Riot are being used as prop, or they're acting like the people who used Sheehan as a prop? As noted above, they're actually putting their lives at risk by doing this.

#26 | Posted by sentinel at 2014-02-20 08:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

This site really needs to have a feature to allow users to edit their posts, at least for a short time after they're originally posted.

#27 | Posted by sentinel at 2014-02-20 08:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

"destroying their potential by overkilling the dramatics and number of appearances."

How many "dramatic" appearances have they had since they were released from prison? How were they "overkilling" it, unless you're suggesting (like some comments on other sites do) that the whipping was staged (which it most certainly wasn't)?

#28 | Posted by sentinel at 2014-02-20 09:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Oh please. Those Russian cops were a bunch of amateurs."

You're not taking into account this was them being "restrained" in their response to the situation, knowing full well the eyes of the world are upon them in this venue.

But yes, there's definitely some parallels to be made to police brutality and bullying in other places, including the U.S.

#29 | Posted by sentinel at 2014-02-20 09:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

The Russians do not seem to know how to deal with bad taste. They have actually made a punk rock group into a cause celeb. We have Larry Flint, and the best way to deal with those without talent who have a pathological need for publicity is to ignore them. Never make some flake into a martyr. Some stupid Jesus freak did that with that to that perverted troll when he shot Flint. Remember the Sex Pistols? If you don't, you didn't miss much. Same "music" in Russian from "Pussy Riot".

#30 | Posted by docnjo at 2014-02-21 09:33 AM | Reply | Flag:

What do you have against punk rock? The Sex Pistols were a fantastic band. Their sound completely rewrote the rules. A lot of great '80s punk followed their example.

#31 | Posted by rcade at 2014-02-21 10:15 AM | Reply | Flag:

Remember the Sex Pistols? If you don't, you didn't miss much. Same "music" in Russian from "Pussy Riot".

#27 | Posted by docnjo

I've seen alot of things on this site, but comparing The Sex Pistols to Pussy Riot? Take me now, Jesus.

#32 | Posted by wisgod at 2014-02-21 10:23 AM | Reply | Flag:

"You know, Danni, that tactic of assigning a view to someone he or she does not hold is juvenile."

I've been called lots of things but not juvenile, at least not for the past three or four decades.

#33 | Posted by danni at 2014-02-21 10:23 AM | Reply | Flag:

I've seen alot of things on this site, but comparing The Sex Pistols to Pussy Riot? Take me now, Jesus.

Unless you're Russian, I don't know how you could judge whether that comparison is valid. Their songs are all in Russian, as far as I've heard.

#34 | Posted by rcade at 2014-02-21 11:26 AM | Reply | Flag:

Steve Jones is still one of the best.

#35 | Posted by Harry_Powell at 2014-02-21 02:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

www.youtube.com

#36 | Posted by Harry_Powell at 2014-02-21 02:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

Their songs are all in Russian, as far as I've heard.

#34 | Posted by rcade

The English transaltion of their jibberish is available for free on Google.

#37 | Posted by wisgod at 2014-02-21 03:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

you cannot possibly compare pussy riot to the sex pistols. people who base the comparison solely on their music really miss what both bands were all about.

#38 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-02-21 03:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

What Pussy Riot is doing is astounding and courageous. They live in a profoundly oppressed society and they are using rock n' roll to fight it.

#39 | Posted by rcade at 2014-02-21 04:37 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

- a profoundly oppressed society

Oh noooo.... according to much of the far right and far left around here,
Russia is the home of the free and the brave, a shing example of freedom of teh press, civil and human rights, and the US is a police state, while Vlad is the epitome of a democratic leader and Obama is either Hitler or Mao, depending on which extreme is ranting.

#40 | Posted by Corky at 2014-02-21 04:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

shining

#41 | Posted by Corky at 2014-02-21 04:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

Oh noooo.... according to much of the far right and far left around here, Russia is the home of the free and the brave, a shing example of freedom of teh press, civil and human rights, and the US is a police state, while Vlad is the epitome of a democratic leader...

???

Who from the right ever said that, corky? I call BS. You are lying again.

Now folks from the far left like you may have said it as you say, though. I wouldn't doubt that. I know you were ecstatic when your hero vlad saved 0bama from himself with his "red line" Syria bungle.

#42 | Posted by goatman at 2014-02-21 04:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

They're in Russia. What did they expect?

#43 | Posted by goatman at 2014-02-21 04:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

"according to much of the far right and far left around here, Russia is the home of the free and the brave,"

There's no one around here on the far left who claim that. Provide a link or stfu.

#44 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-02-21 04:58 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

-stfu.

Another freedom of speech advocate.

#45 | Posted by Corky at 2014-02-21 05:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

Prove your allegation.

#46 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-02-21 05:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

"according to much of the far right and far left around here,
Russia is the home of the free and the brave, a shing example of freedom of teh press, civil and human rights,"

Name one retorter who claims that. Just one.

#47 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-02-21 05:08 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Anyone who reads the far lefties here ranting about the US is a police state and quoting the RT understands the point.... [...]

#48 | Posted by Corky at 2014-02-21 05:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

#51

Redundant or repetitive? You decide.

You got your answer, should I call a wambulance now?

#52 | Posted by Corky at 2014-02-21 05:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

Name one retorter who claims that. Just one.

#47 | Posted by nullifidian

#53 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-02-21 05:14 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Looked like those broads got beaten with ugly sticks first.

Note: Get masks on before video starts rolling. FUGH!

#54 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-02-21 05:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

A workout program would help the cause.

#55 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-02-21 05:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

Who from the right ever said that, corky?

Surely you've seen the discussions where people on the left and right believed and/or supported Russia and Putin over the U.S. It started with the Syria chemical attack crisis. Some people here hate Obama so much that they jump into a Snuggie with the bare-chested tyrant any time he speaks out against the U.S.

Ray even said the other day that RT is superior to American media.

#56 | Posted by rcade at 2014-02-21 05:17 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

"Surely you've seen the discussions where people on the left and right believed and/or supported Russia and Putin over the U.S"

No one has ever said anything close to "Russia is the home of the free and the brave, a shining example of freedom of teh press, civil and human rights,"

If you have a link, prove me wrong.

#57 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-02-21 05:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

Surely you've seen the discussions where people on the left and right believed and/or supported Russia and Putin over the U.S. It started with the Syria chemical attack crisis. Some people here hate Obama so much that they jump into a Snuggie with the bare-chested tyrant any time he speaks out against the U.S. - RCade

Its not so much jumping to Putin, but highlighting Obama's inability to handle foreign affairs. I realize you might not be able to discern the difference.

Has the Syrian thingy worked out?
Has the Iranian thingy worked out?
Hase the Venezuelan thingy worked out?
Has the Ukrainian thingy worked out?

Hows that "reset" gone?

Look I was against going into Syria, but when the President of US declares a REDLINE, he better back it up.

Putin has really taken Obama to task, and each time Obama is shown wanting. I am not rooting for Putin, I wish Obama would back up his words. But he's not..... unlike Putin, who says little, but acts with decisiveness. It like living in San Jose and criticizing the 49ers, doesn't mean I like Seattle.....


President Obama Wednesday stepped into the explosive political eruptions in Ukraine to gratuitously warn the embattled repressive government "there will be consequences if someone steps over the line."
Seriously?
After 1,856 days in office, this naive yokel, who promised he'd charm the world into loving America again, still cannot resist the temptation to utter empty threats to foreign leaders, threats that they know very well he has absolutely no intention of fulfilling, threats that diminish any surviving U.S. clout abroad.
Apparently Barack Obama doesn't remember the time Barack Obama drew a very public red line and threatened to do something really serious if Syrian President Bashir al Assad used his chemical weapons. Which he did. And which Barack Obama did zipola about. Except talk some more, which he thinks he's still good at.
Sure, Obama's south side was covered by Russian President Vladimir Putin appearing to broker a deal with Assad to relinquish the fixings for those lethal chemical stews, which the Syrian leader has now aborted. And about which Obama can only utter more warnings. Can you say yada-yada in Arabic?
All while al Qaeda and others turn Syria's civil war into an invaluable recruiting and training ground for a United Nations of terrorist wannabes.
news.investors.com

#58 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-02-21 05:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

Surely you've seen the discussions where people on the left and right believed and/or supported Russia and Putin over the U.S

Yes, but that wasn't the question. I challenged corky on his assertion:

Russia is the home of the free and the brave, a shing example of freedom of teh press, civil and human rights, and the US is a police state, while Vlad is the epitome of a democratic leader...
Why are you defending corky and to such an extent that you move goalposts, rcade?

#59 | Posted by goatman at 2014-02-21 05:41 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

-unlike Putin, who says little, but acts with decisiveness.

I rest my case.

Vlad should never have taken his shirt off, now he needs a restraining order on Obama Haters. (Yes, that too is hyperbole, "the use of exaggeration as a rhetorical device or figure of speech.")

(Oh, and just for those who don't really read, Obama and Putin had discussed the Syrian solution of getting rid of chemical weapons months before it happened.)

#60 | Posted by Corky at 2014-02-21 05:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

Why are you defending corky and to such an extent that you move goalposts, rcade?

Why are you failing to recognize that Corky was engaging in hyperbole?

#61 | Posted by rcade at 2014-02-21 06:12 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

#61

Even I knew that, lol.

#62 | Posted by Corky at 2014-02-21 07:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

"For the record....Cindy Sheehan was proven to be absolutely correct in her questioning of Dubya about why her son and thousands of others along with hundreds of thousands of Iraqis needed to die in a war of choice. Cindy Sheehan has more honor in her pinky than Dubya's entire treasonous family."

I met Cindy and saw her comfort a distraught Iraq War Veteran she had never met before.

I don't think these Russia's have the capacity to do what she did in that moment.

#63 | Posted by Tor at 2014-02-21 07:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

#64

(Warning: Hyperbole Ahead!)

Damn uppity women! How dare they do an Amnesty International concert and protest human rights!

#65 | Posted by Corky at 2014-02-21 08:32 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

#58. I only wish Obama would quit making comments that inevitably end up fomenting more violence by inciting protestors. This is what happened in Syria when Obama suggested several years ago that Assad regime needs replaced. The protests turned violent when outsiders came into to Syria in anticipation of filling the vacuum when Assad was overthrown with help of USA. That was Brzynskis analysis.

#66 | Posted by Robson at 2014-02-22 08:31 AM | Reply | Flag:

The USA and Russia are becoming more alike than different. Corruption, government intrusion into privacy and rights, and a media and govt. that regularly use propaganda against the people is behavior that now reigns in both countries.

Have we forgotten the importance of Dixie Chicks who had their career almost destroyed by those who own and pull the strings of radio media and by the lobbyists who wanted the USA to remove Saddam?

#67 | Posted by Robson at 2014-02-22 08:53 AM | Reply | Flag:

Why are you failing to recognize that Corky was engaging in hyperbole?

#61 | POSTED BY RCADE

You mean "lying"? And if he was engaging in hyperbole, why did you feel the need to swoop in and defend your poor little darling?

Why is it when I "engage in hyperbole" (as you put it) you call it trolling? When corky does it, he's misunderstood.

#68 | Posted by goatman at 2014-02-22 10:51 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

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