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Wednesday, February 19, 2014

The conservative news site WND has gotten into a dispute with Google after the company accused it of "hate speech" because of frequent racially provocative, anti-black headlines on its stories. WND uses Google AdSense as an ad provider and that service has a policy against sites using "derogatory racial or ethnic slurs to refer to an individual or group." WND has 670 stories using the term "black mob" in the headline, making the site more resemble a virulent racist site than a professional media outlet.

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WorldNutDaily is bigoted trash aimed specifically at the lowest forms of scum.

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#2 | Posted by Dave at 2014-02-19 02:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

WorldNutDaily is bigoted trash aimed specifically at the lowest forms of scum.
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#2 | POSTED BY DAVE

I'll have to take your word for it. I've never been to that site.

#3 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-02-19 02:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

The problem stems from a reluctance by the MSM to correctly identify perpetraitors of crimes. Correctly pointing to descriptive identifiers makes people uncomfortable...

Shhhh! Don't tell blacks they have a cultural problem. If we ignore it the problem will go away.

#4 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-02-19 02:26 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

hhhh! Don't tell blacks they have a cultural problem. If we ignore it the problem will go away.

Or better yet, we'll blame the problem on the man.

#5 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-02-19 02:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

If notating ethnicity is hate then Caltrans is the biggest hater of them all.

www.dot.ca.gov

#6 | Posted by Huguenot at 2014-02-19 02:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

I've never been to that site.
#3 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Oh, JEFFY, you're really missing out, man! It's a porthole view into the world of the whacky Right Wing. Much the same as MoveOn.org or MediaMatters is a porthole view into the looney Left Wing.

I consider all of the above on the same level as the Onion. Their stories have some truth, but only enough truth to set up a completely false narrative. And there's an audience, besides folks like me, who gobble it up as fact.

The latter is what's truly disturbing. Like when China congratulated Kim Jung Un on receiving the sexiest man alive award from the Onion. That was fnckin' classic!

#7 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-02-19 03:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

Shhhh! Don't tell blacks they have a cultural problem. If we ignore it the problem will go away.
#4 | POSTED BY 101CHAIRBORNE

Or better yet, we'll blame the problem on the man.
#5 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Nope! Can't even consider the effects a racially disproportionate criminal justice system has upon an entire group of people, right?

Even though the evidence is present, clear, and acknowledged, it's a "cultural" problem. Riiiiiiiiight.

#8 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-02-19 03:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

Shhhh! Don't tell blacks they have a cultural problem. If we ignore it the problem will go away.

#4 | Posted by 101Chairborne

Shhh! Don't tell conservatives that they're racist. They surround themselves with other racists so they don't even know the difference.

#9 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-02-19 03:10 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

"Nope! Can't even consider the effects a racially disproportionate criminal justice system has upon an entire group of people, right?"

I saw nothing about suppressing a conversation that had different sides to it.

Except the part where Google considers the beginning of such a conversation racist.

and I didn't realize a "cultural problem" meant it was all their own fault.

Wouldn't a "disproportionate criminal justice system" be part of the cultural problem?

#10 | Posted by eberly at 2014-02-19 03:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Shhh! Don't tell conservatives that they're racist."

Now see...I don't think google will have a problem with websites that publish stories like that.

#11 | Posted by eberly at 2014-02-19 03:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

670 stories featuring the term "black mob". Boy, does that speak volumes about WND and the type of wussified rightwing mindset it appeals to. Precious. Can't make this stuff up.

#12 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-02-19 03:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

Google should just make sure that anytime someone types in "racist websites" that WND comes up first.

#13 | Posted by eberly at 2014-02-19 03:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

Don't tell blacks they have a cultural problem.

I'm pretty sure their cultural problem stems from being torn out of their native lands and communities, treated as animals (or less than an animal), left uneducated, beaten, tortured, forced into Christianity, and fed crack.

Black peoples cultural problem seems to have been white people.

#14 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-02-19 03:19 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

On the other hand, rightwingers have always been racist and derisive of black people. The GOP has always tried to appeal to those who just don't like blacks. Why is Google suddenly acting all surprised about it?

#15 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-02-19 03:20 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

#10 | POSTED BY EBERLY

I interpretted 101's comment as indicative of placing blame on the people for their plight and NOT considering the other variables involved, such as a racially disproportionate justice system. Your point about said variable being a cultural issue would be on point if it was only relegated to the "black culture," which it is not. The issue affects every culture within the nonwhite group. Therefore it's an American issue.

I understand the point you are trying to make, but I just don't fully agree.

And for JEFF's comment, it's clear that "the man" in fact does have a significant play in this regard. I mean come on, Congress just lowered the crack/cocaine sentencing disparity from 100:1 to 18:1 last year (or the year before). And even now, it's still 18:1! The proof is in the pudding. The black population has been significantly affected negatively with this country's laws, just as other nonwhite groups have as well.

To ignore this fact when it is presented is a crime in and of itself, IMO.

#16 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-02-19 03:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

Why is Google suddenly acting all surprised about it?
#15 | POSTED BY MODER8

Somebody at Google finally googled it and this is what they got. Knowledge. Who'da thunk it?

#17 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-02-19 03:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

"The black population has been significantly affected negatively with this country's laws,"

How do we change the laws so that the black population is no longer significantly affected negatively?

#18 | Posted by eberly at 2014-02-19 03:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

How do we change the laws so that the black population is no longer significantly affected negatively?

#18 | Posted by eberly

We could make the penalties for crack the same as the ones for cocaine for starters.

We could allow ex-felons to vote after they've served their time and repaid their debt to society.

We could regulate financial companies that take advantage of uneducated and desperate people.

Guess which party doesn't want to do any of that?

#19 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-02-19 03:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I'm pretty sure their cultural problem stems from being torn out of their native lands and communities, treated as animals (or less than an animal), left uneducated, beaten, tortured, forced into Christianity, and fed crack."

I don't know if that's been denied, even by the likes of 101.

None of that history represents a solution, or do you think there is a solution for this problem inside that somewhere? None of us can go back and change any of that.

I think you just made 101's point. you don't want to talk about the cultural problem....it's too uncomfortable. Rather, you want to explain why there is a cultural problem.

#20 | Posted by eberly at 2014-02-19 03:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

How do we change the laws so that the black population is no longer significantly affected negatively?
#18 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2014-02-19 03:25 PM

you can't. Black people are gaining more of a sense of self and dignity. The problem will cease to be racial and eventually become class based.

you should really ask, "How do we change the laws so that the poor are no longer significantly affected negatively?"

#21 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-02-19 03:30 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"We could make the penalties for crack the same as the ones for cocaine for starters."

I agree. Do you think this will lead to a less disproportionate # of black people in prison?

"We could allow ex-felons to vote after they've served their time and repaid their debt to society."

this will make felons not become felons in the first place?

#22 | Posted by eberly at 2014-02-19 03:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I'm pretty sure their cultural problem stems from being torn out of their native lands and communities, treated as animals (or less than an animal), left uneducated, beaten, tortured, forced into Christianity, and fed crack."

That would make alot more sense if the breakdown of family and demonization of education were prevalent from the beginning but I've always been led to believe that these are more recent developments.

Also, nobody was ever fed crack.

#23 | Posted by Sully at 2014-02-19 03:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

#18 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Crack/cocaine sentencing disparity is one that needs to be changed. And for that matter, the whole Controlled Substances Act needs to be changed (if not omitted entirely). The lack of a law protecting people from infringements into their right to privacy needs to be looked at (sorry, but the Constitution is not living up to its own standards). And federal probationary/parole guidelines need to be amended as well.

On a local level, the most egregious law currently on the books, IMO, is New York's stop and frisk. Stand your ground, at the state level, also does not have any protections regarding disproportionate enforcement.

#24 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-02-19 03:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

None of that history represents a solution, or do you think there is a solution for this problem inside that somewhere? None of us can go back and change any of that.
I think you just made 101's point. you don't want to talk about the cultural problem....it's too uncomfortable. Rather, you want to explain why there is a cultural problem.
#20 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2014-02-19 03:30 PM

You're mistaken, I was never attempting to propose a solution.

I was identifying why they have a cultural problem.

As you eventually figured out.

#25 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-02-19 03:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

"We could make the penalties for crack the same as the ones for cocaine for starters."

I agree. Do you think this will lead to a less disproportionate # of black people in prison?

YES.

"We could allow ex-felons to vote after they've served their time and repaid their debt to society."

this will make felons not become felons in the first place?

#22 | Posted by eberly

No but it will enable millions of americans who are largely minorities to contribute to the selection of the officials who represent them.

Knowing that felons are disproportionately minority, keeping people from voting after theyve served their time has the effect of minorities being underrepresented in government.

#26 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-02-19 03:41 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"We could allow ex-felons to vote after they've served their time and repaid their debt to society."

this will make felons not become felons in the first place?
#22 | POSTED BY EBERLY

SPEAK's suggestion above, IMO, would mainly address recidivism of felons. Since allowing felons to vote will help them feel less disenfranchised, they will be more likely to view the system as legitimate. The higher levels of perceived legitimacy in authority and the CJS in general, correlates with a decreased likelihood for recidivism.

Amending the drug laws, though, would most definitely address the initial incarceration issue.

#27 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-02-19 03:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

That would make alot more sense if the breakdown of family and demonization of education were prevalent from the beginning but I've always been led to believe that these are more recent developments.

Well, breakdown of family could stem from slaves not having families in the first place. With their children being sold off and men and women being denied the right to marriage.

Demonizing education? Never heard of it being demonized, other than by Tea Party and GOP members. But Slaves were left uneducated. Also, education is a luxury, for people that can afford to send their kids to school. There are people that have to fund a job and start working as soon and they are able to. Education is just not an option.

If anything I believe more black people are forming stable families and graduating from colleges.

Also, nobody was ever fed crack.
#23 | POSTED BY SULLY AT 2014-02-19 03:33 PM

Weren't they though?

#28 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-02-19 03:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'm pretty sure their cultural problem stems from being torn out of their native lands and communities, treated as animals (or less than an animal), left uneducated, beaten, tortured, forced into Christianity, and fed crack.

#14 | Posted by ClownShack

They must have a special gene they hand down from generation to generation, eh?

#29 | Posted by wisgod at 2014-02-19 03:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

okay...let me see if I got this.

if we let ex-cons (primarily black) vote and if we sent them to prison for less time (to equalize the crack vs cocaine thing) then we've address the cultural problem of the black community.

really? You feel as though this will make any kind of an improvement?

#30 | Posted by eberly at 2014-02-19 03:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

I don't see how slavery has much to do with the current problems b/c a large portion of todays blacks didn't have any ancestors that were slaves. Also, the break down of the family didn't start until after the 60's from what I've read.

#31 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-02-19 03:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

really? You feel as though this will make any kind of an improvement?
#30 | POSTED BY EBERLY

It's a start. Believe me, I've spent a long time studying the effects a disproportionate criminal justice system can have on communities. It's why I'm a single issue voter. Criminal justice reform will have the most significantly positive impact on our society right now compared to anything else, IMO. The consequences involved in maintaining the status quo in this regard have a domino effect that has truly handcuffed the nonwhite populations.

#32 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-02-19 03:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

They must have a special gene they hand down from generation to generation, eh?
#29 | POSTED BY WISGOD AT 2014-02-19 03:45 PM

You must have a special gene that allows you to comprehend what you just wrote.

Slavery began in 1621 and ended 1865. But it took several decades after that for society to adjust, roughly until 1968.

Thats several generations of Black Americans that were raised in a society that only saw them as animals.

Black Americans are gaining status in society, they are now in the upper and middle classes and future generations will have a strong sense of self.

As for now, theres nothing to do but allow Black Americans to grow as a culture.

#33 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-02-19 03:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

They must have a special gene they hand down from generation to generation, eh?

#29 | Posted by wisgod

It's not a gene but that sort of cultural abuse and destruction DOES get passed down for generations.

But like most right wingers, you think if a problem doesn't affect YOU then it must not exist.

#34 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-02-19 03:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

#33 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK
#34 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

You also have to consider the effects the Jim Crow era had on ALL blacks, not just those who were related to the slavery system in some way. Even the educated blacks from abroad were wrapped up in those egregious laws. Again, it's a lot less of a black cultural problem and much more of an American problem.

#35 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-02-19 04:00 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"Well, breakdown of family could stem from slaves not having families in the first place. With their children being sold off and men and women being denied the right to marriage."

That's why I asked if this is a historical problem. If at some point after slavery black Americans were mostly getting married and staying together to raise their kids and now they are not then its a recent development and not something that goes directly back to slavery. I wasn't around in the 1940's-1960's but I was led to believe that black people pretty much got married and raised families together back then. If that isn'tthe case, then my mistake.

"Demonizing education? Never heard of it being demonized, other than by Tea Party and GOP members. "

You've never heard of a black American being accused by his peers of "trying to act white"? You're unaware of what is glorfied by rappers? You've never heard of teachers being frustrated by black students flat out telling them that certain subjects are only for whites?

"Weren't they though?"

No.

#36 | Posted by Sully at 2014-02-19 04:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

"It's a start. Believe me, I've spent a long time studying the effects a disproportionate criminal justice system can have on communities."

and all of that tells you that we can improve the black community with those 2 changes?

I don't see how that stops a race of people from continuing to make the same destructive choices that keep their community in such shambles.

#37 | Posted by eberly at 2014-02-19 04:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

People are people and we are more similar than not. Some people prefer to validate their own existence against the "Other." Since blacks were forced to come here by slavery, when most "Other" races came by choice, it became easy to paint the black person as the ultimate "Other." Recently that has moved from Hispanics to Muslims. Even when the Irish took their turn as the "Other" many were referred to as Black Irish.

You see, the black culture has not been given the opportunity to become truly american. They have Kwanza, MLK Day and black history month which are outside the american mainstream agenda but they are symbols of blackness and it makes us feel like we threw the blacks a bone.

I remember growing up in the 60's and there was a push to integrate all races and celebrate our likenesses and forget about the differences.

Today we highlight the differences and forget about the similarities of the "Others."

I want to buy the world a coke!

#38 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2014-02-19 04:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

I don't see how that stops a race of people from continuing to make the same destructive choices that keep their community in such shambles.
#37 | POSTED BY EBERLY

I'm sorry the argument is not convincing enough. That's probably because I've done a disservice in attempting to explain it. If you would, take a look at Michelle Alexander's The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness

Or, if you would prefer watching the cliffs-notes/youtube version, watch the following presentation: www.youtube.com

Or you can watch her segment on the Colbert Report (much shorter): www.colbertnation.com

#39 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-02-19 04:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

I don't see how that stops a race of people from continuing to make the same destructive choices that keep their community in such shambles.
#37 | POSTED BY EBERLY

A further note, that might be because you deem the choices made by this culture as a whole have are more significantly detrimental than the widespread effects experienced by their group as a whole in regards to an unjust, racist criminal justice system. Considering only one of the above variables has be quantified, that being the latter, it is my opinion that the variable that has been shown to negatively affect multiple groups should be addressed. If you, or anyone else, is capable of quantifying the negative effects produced by their "destructive choices," then lets have a discussion about how to help them alleviate their plight. Resorting to BOAZ's rhetoric that "Nobody can help that community besides themselves," is apathetic and misses the point. Again, this is not a "black problem," this is an American problem.

Besides, have you ever considered that their "destructive choices" could be partially a result of the negative impacts experienced by a racist justice system? One that was built to supplant the system of laws that made up the Jim Crow era?

#40 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-02-19 04:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

#40

The problem is a disproportionately high percentage of children growing up in father-less homes.

That's the bottom line.

How to correct that is anybody's guess, but if it were to be corrected we'd see a lot of the cultural problems within the black community go away.

#41 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-02-19 04:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

The problem is a disproportionately high percentage of children growing up in father-less homes.

That's the bottom line.

How to correct that is anybody's guess, but if it were to be corrected we'd see a lot of the cultural problems within the black community go away.

#41 | Posted by JeffJ

Fatherless children is a SYMPTOM of the problem, not the problem itself.

The problem is the legacy of systematic societal disadvantage. That leads to lack of education, which leads to lack of jobs and crime, and THAT leads to fatherless children.

Blaming black society's problems on fatherless children is like blaming food poisoning on diarrhea. You've got it backwards.

#42 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-02-19 04:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Besides, have you ever considered that their "destructive choices" could be partially a result of the negative impacts experienced by a racist justice system?"

dropping out of school
getting pregnant out of wedlock
drug use

tell the "racist justice system" to stop creating those choices.

"Blaming black society's problems on fatherless children is like blaming food poisoning on diarrhea."

so, we should blame fatherless children on black society? I just reversed it, like you said.

#43 | Posted by eberly at 2014-02-19 05:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

How to correct that is anybody's guess, but if it were to be corrected we'd see a lot of the cultural problems within the black community go away.
#41 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Approximately one out of every three young, black males in the U.S. is, or has been, behind bars for a significant period of time. An even higher percentage of them are currently supervised by the criminal justice system in some way (probation/parole). Is it not clear that the young, black fathers of America have been disproportionately taken from their communities? And placed in environments that are entirely criminalizing? We are talking about an environment where a nonviolent criminal is highly likely to become a violent criminal once released. Our prison system creates violent criminals.

Keep in mind that every black male in prison equates an entire family negatively affected. Every family negatively affected in this manner equates to an entire neighborhood being negatively affected. Every neighborhood affected in this manner equates to an entire community. So on and so forth.

I just don't think you, or EB, are fully aware of how wide spread, disproportionate, and unjust the CJS truly has become. Again, please take a look at one of the links I provided in #39 for a better understanding of my argument.

#44 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-02-19 05:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

The bottom line is that convincing people that every poor choice they make is the someone else's fault has never helped anyone.

On some level all people understand that dropping out of school is a poor life choice or that being a deadbeat father screws over one's own children. People SHOULD feel bad about making horrible choices like these. The last thing anyone who is ruining his/her own life needs is someone rationalizing it for them and telling them its not their fault.

#45 | Posted by Sully at 2014-02-19 05:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

dropping out of school
getting pregnant out of wedlock
drug use
tell the "racist justice system" to stop creating those choices.

#43 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Dropping out of school is directly tied to involvement with the CJS. Involvement with the CJS is highly associated with drug use. However, drug use in the black community is on par with that of the white community. The difference between the two? The enforcement of drug laws and the sentences that result disproportionately affect the black community.

One bad choice should not relegate you to a lifetime of disenfranchisement. It doesn't for white people, in general, but does for nonwhites. Keep in mind this is not something that only negatively affects the black community. It's really a white versus nonwhite issue.

#46 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-02-19 05:14 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

"Blaming black society's problems on fatherless children is like blaming food poisoning on diarrhea."

so, we should blame fatherless children on black society? I just reversed it, like you said.

#43 | Posted by eberly

Nice try. But you left out "black society's problems" part.

Yes. We should blame the high amount of fatherless black children on the challenges faced by black society that white society doesn't have to face.

Racists would have you believe there is something inherent in black people that makes them abandon their kids.

#47 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-02-19 05:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

The bottom line is that convincing people that every poor choice they make is the someone else's fault has never helped anyone.
#45 | POSTED BY SULLY

I'm sorry, who is it that is presenting the above argument, other than you?

#48 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-02-19 05:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Is it not clear that the young, black fathers of America have been disproportionately taken from their communities?"

yes, and it's killing those communities....but you are blaming this on the criminal justice system and not on the people actually committing the crimes.

what..do you want there to be no laws that apply to black youth....because we can't have young black fathers being disproportionately taken from their community?

"Hey, I just arrest them, I don't make them steal!!"

-Nick Nolte, "48 Hours"

#49 | Posted by eberly at 2014-02-19 05:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

On some level all people understand that dropping out of school is a poor life choice or that being a deadbeat father screws over one's own children. People SHOULD feel bad about making horrible choices like these. The last thing anyone who is ruining his/her own life needs is someone rationalizing it for them and telling them its not their fault.

#45 | Posted by Sully

You sound like one more white person who can't imagine any world other than your own.

All the things you say "people SHOULD know" are things that you learn from the people who raise you. And if your father is in jail on some crack charges, like many other people in your community, you might not get that knowledge.

#50 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-02-19 05:17 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

yes, and it's killing those communities....but you are blaming this on the criminal justice system and not on the people actually committing the crimes.
#49 | POSTED BY EBERLY

For one, it's the crimes that should not be crimes, IMO (i.e. drug possession). This argument mainly surrounds the War on Drugs. Secondly, white people commit just as much "crime" in this regard as people of other races, yet they are not charged as often and when they are, they do not receive anywhere near as heavy sentences as nonwhites. Again, it's the disproportionality of enforcement that really is the difference. Why should white people get away with the same crimes that black people commit? It's the same choice, just a different outcome. If you're not going to apply the law to some, then why have the law at all?

what..do you want there to be no laws that apply to black youth....because we can't have young black fathers being disproportionately taken from their community?

Is that how I'm really framing my argument? If so, I will stop now and not even attempt as I must be failing. If that's what you really have gleaned from our conversation, I implore you to watch one of the links I provided in #39 or actually take the time to read Alexander's book. It's very convincing.

#51 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-02-19 05:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

"For one, it's the crimes that should not be crimes, IMO (i.e. drug possession)."

I agree, but I don't know how much this drives black crime stats.

"Secondly, white people commit just as much "crime" in this regard as people of other races, yet they are not charged as often and when they are"

not quantified, but I agree...but...... so we should lock up some more white people and the black communities will do better? I don't think that's a solution.

"I implore you to watch one of the links I provided in #39 or actually take the time to read Alexander's book. It's very convincing."

fair enough, rsty.

#52 | Posted by eberly at 2014-02-19 05:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

not quantified, but I agree...but...... so we should lock up some more white people and the black communities will do better? I don't think that's a solution.

#52 | Posted by eberly

Actually it is. If you start locking up white kids as ruthlessly as black kids, the white parents will get the laws changed.

The drug war would never have gotten as big as it has if it was victimizing whites as much as minorities.

#53 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-02-19 05:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Secondly, white people commit just as much "crime" in this regard as people of other races, yet they are not charged as often and when they are"

not quantified
#52 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Yes, it has been quantified: www.washingtonpost.com

so we should lock up some more white people and the black communities will do better? I don't think that's a solution.

No, again, we should nix the laws that we disproportionately enforce upon certain segments of the population, as, IMO, they were initially implemented as an alternative to the justice system that which was implemented in the Jim Crow era.

#54 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-02-19 05:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

okay...so it's about the drug war.

If we end the drug war, things will get better in the black community.

not sure if that is true....but I'm no expert and at least that is a proposal for a solution that's realistic and worth the effort in any case.

#55 | Posted by eberly at 2014-02-19 05:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

Fatherless children is a SYMPTOM of the problem, not the problem itself.

I disagree.

Fatherless children IS the primary problem.

I'll have to check out Beach's links to try and gauge how much the criminal justice system plays a role as he makes a solid argument on this line of argument.

#56 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-02-19 05:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

If we end the drug war, things will get better in the black community.
#55 | POSTED BY EBERLY

That's more or less the crux of the thesis, yes.

at least that is a proposal for a solution that's realistic and worth the effort in any case.

Definitely, for more reasons than just that of the discussion's current topic.

#57 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-02-19 05:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

Fatherless children IS the primary problem.

I'll have to check out Beach's links to try and gauge how much the criminal justice system plays a role as he makes a solid argument on this line of argument.

#56 | Posted by JeffJ

Then you're taking the extremely racist position that black people inherently abandon their kids, right?

Not that their disadvantaged upbringing causes more child abandonment...

#58 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-02-19 05:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

"You sound like one more white person who can't imagine any world other than your own."

Really? Because I feel you lack real world experience with these issues. Everything you say sounds like it came from a white professor. I've actually had a job dealing with people from very depressed black neighborhoods and where I was literally the only white person. And the people I worked with - who grew up in "the ghetto" and were making their lives better - had little time for those who made excuses for horrible choices and self perpetuating ghetto culture.

"All the things you say "people SHOULD know" are things that you learn from the people who raise you."

--------. Eveyrone knows that being a dropout hurts your job prospects. People who grow up without a father know that it sucks and that they are perpetrating the same on their own kids if they are deadbeats themselves.

#59 | Posted by Sully at 2014-02-19 05:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

#54

That link focuses on the fact that blacks are arrested more than whites for MJ possession despite evidence of equal usage.

It admits that a small amount of possession charges results in prison sentences so that makes it an expensive nuisance, but it doesn't remove young black fathers from their communities.

#60 | Posted by eberly at 2014-02-19 05:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'm sorry, who is it that is presenting the above argument, other than you?

#48 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-02-19 05:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

What else do you think one is doing when one's reaction to every criticism of negative culture is to make an excuse for it?

#61 | Posted by Sully at 2014-02-19 05:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

self perpetuating ghetto culture.

HAHA! Riiiiiight. If only those lazy folks would just pull themselves up by the bootstraps, right?

There is more to the story than just personal choices. Multiple variables are involved, one of the most significant being the War on Drugs and its disproportionate effect on nonwhite communities.

#62 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-02-19 05:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

#61 | POSTED BY SULLY

Is that what I've done?

#63 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-02-19 05:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Then you're taking the extremely racist position that black people inherently abandon their kids, right?"

Racists think they are right about that.

Stop trying to attach that to Jeff.

#64 | Posted by eberly at 2014-02-19 05:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

Is that what I've done?

#63 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-02-19 05:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

I wasn't directing the comment at anyone in particular.

#65 | Posted by Sully at 2014-02-19 05:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

#60 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Try this one: www.huffingtonpost.com

Or just take a look at Alexander's book. She is incredibly thorough regarding the point you have inquired about.

#66 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-02-19 05:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

"the people I worked with - who grew up in "the ghetto" and were making their lives better - had little time for those who made excuses for horrible choices and self perpetuating ghetto culture."

I've worked with some blacks just as you described and their attitude was the same.....they had no time for the excuses being made for horrible choices their peers made.

I'm no expert in ghetto culture...hell I'm not even a novice at ghetto culture. I know nothing about it so I have to rely on the first hand knowledge folks I have met to provide me with information.

#67 | Posted by eberly at 2014-02-19 05:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

"HAHA! Riiiiiight. If only those lazy folks would just pull themselves up by the bootstraps, right?"

I said people should stay in school and maybe give their kids a chance by not abandoning them. I said nothing about laziness.

Starting off disadvantaged is enough of a an obstacle. Imagine how much worse it is when your own parent screws you over or you screw yourself over by dropping out.

"There is more to the story than just personal choices. Multiple variables are involved, one of the most significant being the War on Drugs and its disproportionate effect on nonwhite communities."

There are other factors but that is no excuse for self destructive behavior.

#68 | Posted by Sully at 2014-02-19 05:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

I wasn't directing the comment at anyone in particular.
#65 | POSTED BY SULLY

Thanks for the clarification. Because that's not what I was attempting to do. People's choices have an effect, no doubt. But when nonwhites make a choice (i.e. drug use), they are disproportionately punished for the exact same choice that white people make. This disproportionality has a cumulative effect in nonwhite communities that is, IMO, unjust.

The outcomes of the choices are distinctively different. The cumulative effects domino down through an individual's family, neighborhood, community, and eventually culture when the disproportionate enforcement of Drug Laws becomes as widespread as it has.

Again, Alexander's main argument is that the War on Drugs was consciously developed as a replacement for the set of laws that made up the Jim Crow era. Her research is incredibly convincing. If you're interested, you should take a look at her book or one of the links I provided in #39.

(For the record, I am not attempting to peddle a book or anything of the sort. I'm just not as nearly adept to explaining this argument as eloquently as Alexander. If I were, I'd have a PhD to my name, like she does.)

#69 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-02-19 06:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

Then you're taking the extremely racist position that black people inherently abandon their kids, right?

No.

I am making a statistical argument. Out of wedlock birth-rates for blacks as a whole is over 70%. In the inner city it is closer to 90%.

I don't know why this is - likely a multitude of reasons.

The numbers are what they are.

#70 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-02-19 06:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

I said people should stay in school and maybe give their kids a chance by not abandoning them. I said nothing about laziness.

Point taken. And apologies for the projection.

#71 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-02-19 06:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

#69 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11

Very interesting argument.

I'll definitely have to check out her book.

#72 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-02-19 06:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I am making a statistical argument. Out of wedlock birth-rates for blacks as a whole is over 70%. In the inner city it is closer to 90%."

and Rsty's argument is that the drug war has caused that.

if we end the drug war, those numbers will improve??

Has Alexander, specifically, made that claim, Rsty??

#73 | Posted by eberly at 2014-02-19 06:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

--------. Eveyrone knows that being a dropout hurts your job prospects. People who grow up without a father know that it sucks and that they are perpetrating the same on their own kids if they are deadbeats themselves.

#59 | Posted by Sully

Keep proving my point: "You sound like one more white person who can't imagine any world other than your own."

You are putting values you learned in your upbringing and saying everyone shouldve learned those in their own upbringing.

Its an extremely ethnocentric view of society. Not aggressively racist, but racist nonetheless.

#74 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-02-19 06:05 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

No.

I am making a statistical argument. Out of wedlock birth-rates for blacks as a whole is over 70%. In the inner city it is closer to 90%.

I don't know why this is - likely a multitude of reasons.

The numbers are what they are.

#70 | Posted by JeffJ

Who is arguing the numbers? No one.

You still can't tell the difference between CAUSE and EFFECT.

High child abandonment for black is an EFFECT of historical societal disadvantages. Only racists think they just abandon their kids for no reason.

#75 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-02-19 06:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Its an extremely ethnocentric view of society. Not aggressively racist, but racist nonetheless."

Sully and I have quoted folks who left the ghetto.

you can dismiss it if you want but I don't think it's fair to call it "racist".

#76 | Posted by eberly at 2014-02-19 06:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

Very interesting argument.
I'll definitely have to check out her book.

#72 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

I found a link to the book's introduction, if that will suffice for now:

communitysuccess.org

I found the following passage most intriguing when I first read it:

Mass incarceration, like Jim Crow, helps to define the meaning and significance of race in America. Indeed, the stigma of criminality functions in much the same way that the stigma of race once did. It justifies a legal, social, and economic boundary between "us" and "them." ... Finally, this chapter responds to skeptics who claim that mass incarceration cannot be understood as a racial caste system because many "get tough on crime" policies are supported by African Americans. Many of these claims, I note, are no more persuasive today than arguments made a hundred years ago by blacks and whites who claimed that racial segregation simply reflected "reality," not racial animus, and that African Americans would be better off not challenging the Jim Crow system but should focus instead on improving themselves within it. Throughout our history, there have been African Americans who, for a variety of reasons, have defended or been complicit with the prevailing system of control.

#77 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-02-19 06:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

Has Alexander, specifically, made that claim, Rsty??
#73 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Good question. I'll have to check to see if she did in fact make such a prediction. Give me a few minutes while I look through the book.

#78 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-02-19 06:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

#69 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-02-19 06:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

For the record, I understand that statistically drug laws are more harshly enforced against blacks - really most criminal prosecutions.

#79 | Posted by Sully at 2014-02-19 06:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Keep proving my point: "You sound like one more white person who can't imagine any world other than your own.""

And you keep proving my point that you're opinions come more from academia than experience.

"You are putting values you learned in your upbringing and saying everyone shouldve learned those in their own upbringing."

You can pretend all you want that "dropping out of school is bad for you" is some "white secret" but it will never be true. You can pretend all you want that people who grew up with a father don't know that growing up without a father is bad but it will never be true.

"Its an extremely ethnocentric view of society."

No it isn't. You are pretending that black people don't understand fairly obvious truths and that isn't the case.

"Not aggressively racist, but racist nonetheless."

That's right, I'm racist because I disagree with you. I knew you would go there eventually.....

I find you somewhat ignorant for not giving impoverished black people enough credit. As if the link between education and employability is a complete mystery to them. As if a guy who grew up without a dad is too dull to understand that he suffered for it.

Notice how I gave you the benefit of the doubt by saying ignorant instead of racist.

#80 | Posted by Sully at 2014-02-19 06:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

EBERLY -

To answer your question, Alexander offers the following:

The fact that Barack Obama can give a speech on Father's Day dedicated to the subject of fathers who are "AWOL" without ever acknowledging that the majority of young black men in many large urban areas are currently under the control of the criminal justice system is disturbing, to say the least. What is more problematic, though, is that hardly anyone in the mainstream media noticed the oversight. One might not expect serious analysis from Tyra Banks [who said "Where Have All the Good Black Men Gone?" She wondered aloud whether black women are unable to find "good black men" because too many of them are gay or dating white women], but shouldn't we expect a bit more from the New York Times and CNN? Hundreds of thousands of black men are unable to be good fathers for their children, not because of a lack of commitment or desire but because they are warehoused in prisons, locked in cages. They did not walk out on their families voluntarily; they were taken away in handcuffs, often due to a massive federal program known as the War on Drugs.

More african American adults are under correctional control today - in prison or jail, on probation or parole - than were enslaved in 1850, a decade before the Civil War began. The mass incarceration of people of color is a big part of the reason that a black child born today is less likely to be raised by both parents than a black child born during slavery. The absence of black fathers from families across America is not simply a function of laziness, immaturity, or too much time watching Sports Center. Thousands of black men have disappeared into prisons and jails, locked away for drug crimes that are largely ignored when committed by whites...

More black men are imprisoned today than at any other moment in our nation's history. More are disenfranchised today than in 1870, the year the Fifteenth Amendment was ratified prohibiting laws that explicitly deny the right to vote on the basis of race. Young black men today may be just as likely to suffer discrimination in employment, housing, public benefits, and jury service as a black man in the Jim Crow era - discrimination that is perfectly legal, because it is based on one's criminal record. This is the new normal, the new racial equilibrium...

It is simply taken for granted that, in cities like Baltimore and Chicago, the vast maajority of young black men are currently under the control of the criminal justice system or branded criminals for life. This extraordinary circumstance - unheard of in the rest of the world - is treated here in America as a fact of life, as normal as separate water fountains were just as half century ago (Alexander, 2010, p. 180-181).


Definitely not concise, for which I apologize, but I believe it will answer your question.

#81 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-02-19 06:37 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Notice how I gave you the benefit of the doubt by saying ignorant instead of racist.
#80 | POSTED BY SULLY

HAHA! Sorry, SPEAKS, that deserves a FF.

#82 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-02-19 06:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

BTW, is this discussion within the parameters of the thread's topic? I hate for such great discussion to be relegated as a thread hijack.

#83 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-02-19 06:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

BTW, is this discussion within the parameters of the thread's topic? I hate for such great discussion to be relegated as a thread hijack.

#83 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11

I first started visiting this site in 2004, before user profiles were set up.

This is the type of debate that Rcade craves on his blog.

I am confident that he is good with this even if it may have veered off topic a bit.

IMO - You brought good stuff into this thread.

#84 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-02-19 11:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

You still can't tell the difference between CAUSE and EFFECT.
High child abandonment for black is an EFFECT of historical societal disadvantages. Only racists think they just abandon their kids for no reason.

#75 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

I wasn't arguing cause and effect.

This is what I said:

I am making a statistical argument. Out of wedlock birth-rates for blacks as a whole is over 70%. In the inner city it is closer to 90%.
I don't know why this is - likely a multitude of reasons.

Re-read what I put in bold [...].

#85 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-02-19 11:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

"...torn out of their native lands and communities, treated as animals (or less than an animal), left uneducated, beaten, tortured, forced into Christianity, and fed crack."

I don't recall Voltaire, Rousseau and the 'Rationalists' wasting much time speaking out against slavery. Can't recall any atheist complaining.
But the Catholic Spanish made it illegal in the New World. Protestants like Wesley and the American Abolitionists made it a cause too. So if slaves were 'forced' into Christianity (an equally dubious claim) they were forced to something more humane than rationalism.

#86 | Posted by Diablo at 2014-02-20 02:49 AM | Reply | Flag:

SO, what I have gather from the article and this thread, is that it is "racist" to accurately describe the ethnic make up of a large raucous crowd behaving in a uncivilized manor, often referred to as a "mob". Good god that does not exist.......tell me this a joke.

#87 | Posted by GotTruth at 2014-02-20 07:50 AM | Reply | Flag:

"The black population has been significantly affected negatively with this country's laws,"
How do we change the laws so that the black population is no longer significantly affected negatively?

#18 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2014-02-19 03:25 PM | FLAG:

I recommend ending racial and economic segregation in America.

#88 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2014-02-20 08:06 AM | Reply | Flag:

"I recommend ending racial and economic segregation in America."

how? that's not a solution....it's a wish.

#89 | Posted by eberly at 2014-02-20 09:08 AM | Reply | Flag:

#81

Thanks Rsty. I think we have a lot of agreement here on ending the drug war for a number of reasons....this is a great one.

#90 | Posted by eberly at 2014-02-20 09:14 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

From what I have read, WND, is racist because it have and continues to report the activities of packs of young black people who find it entertaining to assault, rob or steal. The libs ether say such activity does not exist or they excuse such behavior as the result of racism.
As for myself, I am up to my ears with black and brown people every day.
I have had one of my kids go to jail, and she stayed there. She wanted to play thug, she got to see the inside of the system. She had a white man support her from the time she was 2, can't really say that racism was her motive. She settled down after that.
Maybe, and I will try not to stretch the fragile progressive mind set, kids who are unsupervised and have copious amounts of free time tend to find trouble, and trouble says, the more with you the less chance of getting caught. That is called a mob. Mob attacks do not happen here, that happens where the attackers know their victim is unarmed, which is never a sure bet in Texas.

#91 | Posted by docnjo at 2014-02-20 09:58 AM | Reply | Flag:

Black peoples cultural problem seems to have been white people.

#14 | Posted by ClownShack

I wonder, how did those slaves get to the slave dealers? It couldn't have been by other blacks, right?

You might want to look up who sold those people into slavery in the first place.

#92 | Posted by boaz at 2014-02-20 10:24 AM | Reply | Flag:

It couldn't have been by other blacks, right?
You might want to look up who sold those people into slavery in the first place.

#92 | POSTED BY BOAZ

And you might want to look up who bought those slaves. The sellers were not Americans (and therefore irrelevant to the discussion), the buyers were. And what color were the buyers? Not black, that's for sure. The entire system of American slavery was established and maintained exclusively by and for whites, as were the Jim Crow laws put into effect after Andrew Johnson sabotaged the Reconstruction of the south.

#93 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2014-02-20 02:29 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

#93 | POSTED BY WHODAMAN AT 2014-02-20 02:29 PM | FLAG: NW

#94 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-02-20 02:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

Black peoples cultural problem seems to have been white people.

#14 | Posted by ClownShack

I wonder, how did those slaves get to the slave dealers? It couldn't have been by other blacks, right?

You might want to look up who sold those people into slavery in the first place.

#92 | Posted by boaz at 2014-02-20 10:24 AM

I get your point boaz,same as the holocaust being blamed on the Nazi's instead of the Jewish collaborators.It still isn't an excuse to justify what the true victims endured.

#95 | Posted by Scotty at 2014-02-20 02:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

I wonder, how did those slaves get to the slave dealers? It couldn't have been by other blacks, right?

You might want to look up who sold those people into slavery in the first place.

#92 | Posted by boaz at 2014-02-20 10:24 AM

YUP! I knew them blacks were somehow responsible for their own enslavement.

You sure you don't want to go for the Full Monty and through some of that blame at Obama, too?

#96 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-02-20 03:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Well, since you brought it up..." -- BOAZ

#97 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-02-20 03:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

"And what color were the buyers? Not black, that's for sure."

Oh, I don't know about that. The largest slave holder in Louisiana was a black woman. Actually, there were a number of black slave holders in the South. I strongly recommend reading some history before you show your a-- in public by blurting such inaccurate statements so strongly.

"In 1860 there were at least six [blacks] in Louisiana who owned 65 or more slaves The largest number, 152 slaves, were owned by the widow C. Richards and her son P.C. Richards, who owned a large sugar cane plantation. Another [black] slave magnate in Louisiana, with over 100 slaves, was Antoine Dubuclet, a sugar planter whose estate was valued at (in 1860 dollars) $264,000 (3). That year, the mean wealth of southern white men was $3,978 (4)."

"The census of 1830 lists 965 free black slave owners in Louisiana, owning 4,206 slaves. The state of South Carolina, lists 464 free blacks owning 2,715 slaves. How ironic it is that so many blacks owned so many slaves in South Carolina. Yet, no one seemed to mention this during the flag controversy."

"By 1860, so many Black women in Charleston had inherited or been given slaves and other property by white men, and used their property to start successful businesses, that they owned 70% of the Black owned slaves in the city."[36]

www.ironbarkresources.com

#98 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-02-20 03:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

The largest slave holder in Louisiana was a black woman. Actually, there were a number of black slave holders in the South.
#98 | POSTED BY JESTGETTINALONG

And that accounts for what percentage of the total? There were Jews that collaborated with the Nazis, so I guess the holocaust was just as much the Jews' fault as the Nazis, right? Look up "false equivalence".

#100 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2014-02-20 03:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

So the consensus of the right is that the problem with Black America is that black people are of lesser intelligence, or lesser morality or lesser character, right? Because it's not the fault of the "system", right?

I suppose that's why a white man with a criminal record is more likely to get a job applied for than a black man without one. Or how you can submit identical resumes for a job and the ones with "black-sounding" names are rejected, while the "white-sounding" (e.g., "normal") names get interviews. Or rentals where when the applicant shows up and is black, the rental is "no longer available", but send a white applicant after, and they are shown an apartment.

These things have all been documented over and over, but there is a sizeable part of the population who believes that blacks are treated equally, and their failure to succeed is their own fault (due to their lack of something or other). Rather than call it "racist" I will call it by its actual name: "white supremacy". In other words, whites are just "better".

#102 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2014-02-20 04:08 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Where is the Asian crime? Asians where historically racially persecuted and even rounded up in concentration camps and treated like second class citizens while doing what was basically slave labor.

And where is the Jewish mob violence? Jews have a bastardy rate of only 6%, that's probably why there is none. Strong family values in both cases.

No, blaming black crime rates on white racism is a stupid argument.

#103 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2014-02-20 04:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

"And that accounts for what percentage of the total?"

Ohhhh, big changey, changey from when you were SURE there were no black buyers when you said, "And what color were the buyers? Not black, that's for sure." Right???? I have to shift you over to the "not worth addressing" file now.

P.S. Read more on the subject, you'll be surprised and be better educated if the subject comes up again. You might even take a look at the subject of blacks in the Confederate Army while you're at it. Hell, you might even come back as a psuedo-expert on the subject, who knows, WhoDa? At a minimum it might keep you from appearing completely ignorant.

#104 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-02-20 04:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

#102 Show me the studies - oh, you can't because there are none.

I did read a Harvard study that shows blacks and whites with the same degree and work experience with no criminal record get hired at the same rate.

#105 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2014-02-20 04:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

Asians and jews were held in slavery in the united states for 300 years, and were then oppressed by Jim Crow laws for another 100 years? Wow, I must have missed that one. The difference here is that black people still live in the country that enslaved them with the descendants of those who enslaved them. I don't see where that happened to Asians or Jews.

#106 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2014-02-20 04:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

You understand that is the perfect example of a racist rant, right?

#108 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2014-02-20 04:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

#103 | POSTED BY HELIUMRAT

You're wasting your bandwidth and you'll have about as much effect as a fart in a tornado. WhoDa and his little friends will just segue to a new tact as soon as you leave them in the dust on some point. Can they not see that ALL of the different races and nationalities which were victims at one time have progressed. You were right about values being at the root of their success and it's the failed "progressive" policies that are the enablers of the conditions of the large segment of blacks that are in the poor condition they are.

#109 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-02-20 04:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

"And you might want to look up who bought those slaves. The sellers were not Americans (and therefore irrelevant to the discussion), the buyers were."

Are you SERIOUSLY abdicating the responsibility and part played in a SLAVE TRADE away from the people who CAPTURED and SOLD the slave?
You cannot seriously think that BUYIN a slave is WORSE that SELLING one?

They are both equally horrific.

#110 | Posted by GotTruth at 2014-02-21 12:27 AM | Reply | Flag:

A website does not run 670 stories with "black mobs" in the headline without intentionally trying to foment race hatred by how it characterizes the news.

It's funny how some people who doubt the media's motives all the time suddenly develop 100% faith in their fairness when they are saying negative things about black people.

#111 | Posted by rcade at 2014-02-21 07:47 AM | Reply | Flag:

Are they stories about a groups of youth of a "particular genetic make-up" engaged in criminal activities though? Are the physical description NOT accurate or backed up by evidence?

#112 | Posted by GotTruth at 2014-02-21 07:57 AM | Reply | Flag:

WHat about Huf Post, Daily KOS, and such, HUNDREDS of NEGATIVE articles and op-eds with outright distortions and LIES about fire-arms, gun-owners, gun shows, and so on and so forth.....

You NEVER see a sympathetic piece twords Libertarians or COnservatives?

Would that not mean those sites are intentionally trying to foment hatred by how it characterizes the news?

#113 | Posted by GotTruth at 2014-02-21 08:00 AM | Reply | Flag:

#113 Yet those "liberal" websites you mentioned, and others, seem to make it their primary reporting to go after honest average Anglo Gentile Americans not because of what they've done, but because they can and the reporters have obvious bigotry and bias. Examine the numerous negative racist headlines on this target group.

If Media Matters and others who claim to monitor the media were halfway legit and unbiased in their mission, they'd be calling major foul and mega hypocrisy on the actual disproportionate ethnic representation in the USA media itself.

Minorities dominate our media while they call out the basically unrepresented majority as racists. They use guile to cover up their own gross racism. They exclude certain groups because they want license to attack them without push back.

A study of the ethnic, religious, racial makeup at different levels of our MSM would illustrate just how singularly biased their point of view has become, thanks to consolidation in ownership.

Different group heritage such as Jews, Blacks, Catholics, Baptists, Muslims, etc. do not promote he same cultural point of view. To accurately report the news to a diverse society we need appropriately diverse points of view that represent the USA society. Start examining the imbalance yourself.

#114 | Posted by Robson at 2014-02-21 01:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

As for now, theres nothing to do but allow Black Americans to grow as a culture.

#33 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

Thus endeth hip-hop, 24" rims and swordcanes?

#115 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2014-02-21 02:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

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