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Tuesday, February 18, 2014

Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro called supporters to take to the street tomorrow, hours after an opposition politician sought by police urged his allies to march with him on the same day. Leopoldo Lopez, the leader of opposition party Voluntad Popular, whom Maduro accuses of inciting violence, urged Venezuelans to dress in white and march with him on Tuesday, daring officials to enforce an arrest order issued against him. After Maduro responded by summoning a demonstration of 30,000 to 40,000 oil workers at the same location, Voluntad Popular today switched the site of their march. "I've not committed any crime," Lopez said in a video linked from his Twitter account yesterday. "If there is a decision to illegally jail me, I'll be there." On Feb. 12, three people died and 66 were injured when protesters clashed with government supporters.

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Claiming US interference, now I know this is Nulli's homeland, but seriously..... Chavez legacy is going down.......

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Can't they get a government bailout like American Capitalism did in '08?

#1 | Posted by DRJIMMIES at 2014-02-18 01:07 AM | Reply | Flag:

Watch the news from surrounding countries. Just a hint from one who has been there. If there are military maneuvers by another country next to Venezuela or a 'humanitarian initiative' calling for troops to be deployed, you know the government is going down.

#2 | Posted by Diablo at 2014-02-18 02:39 AM | Reply | Flag:

I wonder where the Iranian "fleet" is going to stop for gas now?

Good comment on Morning Joe this morning. Essentially said that what is happening in Venezuela is a travesty, because Venezuela has all the ingredients it needs to be a thriving nation: natural resources, climate, shipping access, an educated population, etc...but that Chavez and now Maduro have totally screwed the country.

If ANYONE on the DR has any thoughts about what a fantastic idea a totalitarian socialist (or fascist) state would be, look no further than Venezuela.

#3 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-02-18 08:15 AM | Reply | Flag:

"If ANYONE on the DR has any thoughts about what a fantastic idea a totalitarian socialist (or fascist) state would be, look no further than Venezuela."

Just like the accusations against President Obama, fact of the matter is, Maduro was duly elected by a majority of the Venezuelan people. Like him or not, he is definitely not a fascist dictator.

#4 | Posted by danni at 2014-02-18 08:22 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

#4 Neither was Hitler, who was also duly elected.

#5 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-02-18 10:36 AM | Reply | Flag:

Maduro is not a dictator. He's an authoritarian-liberal, much like the pro-Patriot Act, pro-NSA Clintonites.

#6 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-02-18 10:50 AM | Reply | Flag:

This is an attempt by the old oligarchy to regain wealth and power. It's similar to Chile before the coup, except that Chavez had years to remake the military.

#7 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-02-18 10:55 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"Maduro was duly elected by a majority of the Venezuelan people." - Danni

I don't understand why you would protect him..... there is no need if you understood Maduro's authoritarian nature. The vote is being contested as fraudulent...
news.investors.com

It is similar to old Chile, the people are suffering.....they devalue their currency, wait in line for toilet paper, food shortages.....
www.youtube.com

Compared to Chile today.... where would you rather live Nulli?
blogs.ft.com

#8 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-02-18 11:10 AM | Reply | Flag:

From a commenter..

It is interesting, the vigor with which the "Arab Spring" protests were covered by US media. The oppressed throwing off a dictator or monarch in favor of a Muslim theocracy seems to have been a much bigger story than the oppressed attempting to throw off a progressive fascist regime (albeit clothed the the faux covering of socialism) in favor of more individual liberty. Wonder why that is?

Nice point..

#9 | Posted by boaz at 2014-02-18 11:34 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Wonder why that is?"

because anything vaguely dealing with muslims sells in this country, which has muslimania on the brain. the commenter (and you, boaz) should know that.

#10 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-02-18 11:42 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

I don't care what the Chavistas do as long as they are a thorn in the side of U.S. imperialism. The oligarchy keeps attemping coups and the people keep voting for the Chavistas. Chavez should have hanged the people who kidnapped him in the last coup attempt.

Latin America's history of authoritarian governments, left or right, stems directly from U.S. imperialism.

#11 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-02-18 11:46 AM | Reply | Flag:

Nulli,

Why don't you just leave the U.S. if it's so bad? I'm sure Cuba's door is wide open.

#12 | Posted by boaz at 2014-02-18 12:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I don't understand why you would protect him..... there is no need if you understood Maduro's authoritarian nature. The vote is being contested as fraudulent...
news.investors.com"

I remember we had a vote up here that was called fraudulent and the "winner" of that one led us into two wars and a destroyed economy. Let Venezuela sort out their own government.

#13 | Posted by danni at 2014-02-18 12:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

You can be sure that the USA is fueling and funding these riots. The same thing is going on in the Ukraine.

To understand a totalitarian Fascist State look no further than the United States. Our interference in the affairs of other countries needs to stop. We sent $5 billion destabilizing the Ukraine (up to 1997) and then cut food stamps for our own people.

#14 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-02-18 01:24 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

#4 Neither was Hitler, who was also duly elected.

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No he was not.

Read Rise and Fall of the Third Reich before you make stupid statements like this.

#15 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-02-18 01:37 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Nulli,

Why don't you just leave the U.S. if it's so bad? I'm sure Cuba's door is wide open.

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Another black shirt.

#16 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-02-18 01:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

Nulli,

Why don't you just leave the U.S. if it's so bad? I'm sure Cuba's door is wide open.

#12 | Posted by boaz

Do you enjoy being dumb cannon fodder for the empire?

#17 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-02-18 01:38 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

You can be sure that the USA is fueling and funding these riots. The same thing is going on in the Ukraine.

To understand a totalitarian Fascist State look no further than the United States. Our interference in the affairs of other countries needs to stop. We sent $5 billion destabilizing the Ukraine (up to 1997) and then cut food stamps for our own people.

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Yup.

There is no difference between the parties.

Both are fascist.

#18 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-02-18 01:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

#18

Pony needs a new trick.

#19 | Posted by Corky at 2014-02-18 01:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

*Sigh* It is a proxy battle folks. There probably are US sponsored instigators. Yes as a world power like all other world powers we engage in them and have for many decades now. Unfortunately we kept backing dictators. Now the people are fed up with it and in comes China...

#20 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2014-02-18 01:49 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

The Arab spring was portrayed as a spontaneous uprising by home town democracy seeking activists using social media like Twitter and Facebook. The more likely reality is this turmoil was purposely created by the only country in the Middle East that benefits from Arabs overthrowing powerful leaders, Muslims killing each other off, and installing weakened leaders. The same country benefited from 9-11 too. But it is not the only devious nation.

We Americans need to become wary and aware that there are nation provocateurs that will foment unrest around the world, and it is a hobby when it serves their interests. They will even sacrifice their own when necessary.

The more a country is preconditioned for unrest, the easier it is to ignite the fire. They divide a country religiously, ethnically, culturally and politically, which makes it a tinderbox for unrest, turmoil and turbulence.

Control and orchestration of the media message (be it MSM or social media) is a first requirement as well as a penchant for deception and infiltrating intelligence organizations.

#21 | Posted by Robson at 2014-02-18 02:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

The Ukraine is going nuts too

www.youtube.com

#22 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-02-18 03:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

"It's similar to Chile before the coup, except that Chavez had years to remake the military."

That's exactly right. Where Allende failed was by not appointing his own cronies to key military positions prior to implimenting unconstitutional reforms. if you are going to pursue a socialist agenda in a liberalized society, it is absolutely essential that you not be limited to constitutional constraints. Allende beleived that he was working towards a greater cause. The Chilean Supreme Court, Chamber of Deputies, and even the people felt differently. And allowed the military to remove him from power.

Although tied to different ideologies, one must wonder if Chavez hadn't been paying attention to what happened in Chile. Identifying where Allende had failed, as well as where Pinochet had been successful. Chavez and Pinochet have a lot in common.

#23 | Posted by madbomber at 2014-02-18 04:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

Obama himself throughout and in Egypt he got rid of Mubarak in Iran he stayed silent as their citizens were murdered in the streets again in Venezuela he said nothing he's such a great master of foreign policy surely deserve another Nobel Peace Prize don't you think.

And in Syria he's done an outstanding job leading from behind

#24 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2014-02-18 05:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

...threw out muammar gaddafi...

#25 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2014-02-18 05:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

And now we have violent protests in the Ukraine in again Obama has said nothing how many people have to die before he speaks up?

Oh thats like Obama promised Putin more flexibility after the election

#26 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2014-02-18 09:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

OK let me get this straight. The same people that scoff, decry, deride, and belittle ANY notion that the US Gov't would EVER stage an attack on its own Citizen to further a policy agenda do not bat an eye at the notion that The US Gov't is responsible for the destabilizations in Ukraine and Venezuela for a policy agenda?

#27 | Posted by GotTruth at 2014-02-19 07:07 AM | Reply | Flag:

Vz's problems are self inflicted.

#28 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2014-02-19 07:57 AM | Reply | Flag:

And Putin has rolled Obama over in the Ukraine. Besides Obama never liked them very much, because they were friends with George Bush!!

#29 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2014-02-19 08:10 AM | Reply | Flag:

Dang! One story about riots in a South American country (as rare as THAT is cough-cough) and we have an entire thread of international conspiracy opinions.

#30 | Posted by Diablo at 2014-02-20 03:30 AM | Reply | Flag:

Your point is indisputable. We've already seen that highly organized behavior in the violent attacks against peaceful OWS protests. Wall Street recognized the threat they represent immediately and spent millions on the NYPD, to make sure that violence was carried out. The White House provided national coordination with local police groups, including targeting OWS leaders much like what the FBI did during the sixties.

#31 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-02-20 09:33 AM | Reply | Flag:

Maduro's party won municipal elections by a wide margin last December, the opposition was defeated. Inflation was running at 56%. There were widespread shortages of consumer goods, yet a solid majority had still voted for the government. Their choice could not be attributed to the personal charisma of Chávez, who died nearly a year ago; nor was it irrational. The past year has been rough and the past 11 years, since the government took over the oil industry. But this change has brought large gains in living standards to the majority of Venezuelans. The rich, right-wing politicians who led the opposition did not reflect the majoities values nor inspire their trust.

On Sunday, the Mercosur governments (Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay, Paraguay, and Venezuela) released a statement on the past week's demonstrations in Venezuela. They described "the recent violent acts" in Venezuela as "attempts to destabilize the democratic order." They reject the criminal actions of violent groups that want to spread intolerance and hatred in the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela as a political tool. When much larger demonstrations rocked Brazil last year, there were no statements from Mercosur or neighboring governments. That's not because they didn't love Dilma; it's because these demonstrations did not seek to topple Brazil's democratically-elected government.

The U.S. government supports regime change in Venezuela. They don't really try to hide it: there's $5 million dollars in the 2014 U.S. federal budget for funding opposition activities inside Venezuela, and this is the tip of a hundred million dolalriceberg of overt support over the past 15 years. This support inflames the situation, since Washington has so much influence within the opposition and in the hemispheric media. It took a long time for the opposition to accept the results of democratic elections in Venezuela. They tried a military coup, backed by the U.S. in 2002; when that failed they tried to topple the government with an oil strike. The attempt to recall the president in 2004 also failed. It remains to be seen how far they will go this time to win by other means what they have not been able to win at the ballot box, and how long they will have Washington's support for regime change in Venezuela.

The Obama administration is more subtle, but still pursues the Neocon agenda in Venezuela. A State Department spokesman expressed concern about "weakening of democratic institutions in Venezuela," and said that there was an obligation for "government institutions to respond effectively to the legitimate economic and social needs of its citizens." He was joining the opposition's efforts to de-legitimize the government, a vital part of any "regime change" strategy. (Mark Weisbrot )

#32 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-02-20 11:43 AM | Reply | Flag:

"We've already seen that highly organized behavior in the violent attacks against peaceful OWS protests."

Oh yeah, there was blood in the streets....more like empty yogurt cups and used condoms left behind afterwards.

#33 | Posted by Diablo at 2014-02-20 12:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

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