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Tuesday, February 18, 2014

A new study has found that around 60 more people have been murdered each year since the state of Missouri made it easier to buy a handguns without going through a background check. In the study which will be published in an issue of the Journal of Urban Health, a team of researchers led by Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research Director Daniel Webster found that between 55 to 63 more people were murdered each year after Missouri repealed its permit-to-purchase handgun law in 2007. "This study provides compelling confirmation that weaknesses in firearm laws lead to deaths from gun violence," said lead researcher Daniel Webster of the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research. "There is strong evidence to support the idea that the repeal of Missouri's handgun purchaser licensing law contributed to dozens of additional murders in Missouri each year since the law was changed."

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I'll wait for the actual study, but the article seems to dance around the words 'murder' and death by guns at points. Not all of the latter are the former.

#1 | Posted by Diablo at 2014-02-17 05:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

Hmmm I think they're playing with the numbers here, although 60 more murders is a lot when the total number is 350-400. www.disastercenter.com

That said, the number of murders was super high around 1975 to 1995.

Interesting problem though - quantifying exactly many lives depend on background checks.

#2 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2014-02-17 05:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

Let em kill each other, I have given up worrying about states which want to let themselves turn into the old west or Lebanon, have at it.

I have my own worries.

I do believe that pink guns, that look like toys should be outlawed.

#3 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2014-02-17 06:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Murders Up In Missouri After Background Check Repeal"

There is no repeal of the required background check (FBI/NICS). What was repealed was a "Permit to Purchase" or "Permit to Transfer a Concealable Firearm" issued by the local Sheriff.

"Here's the process:

(1) One has to agree in principle with a gun dealer or an individual on the handgun that one wants to purchase.

(2) Go to the county sheriff's office (or the County Police Headquarters in St. Louis County), and get the "Permit to Transfer" forms.

(3) Take the forms and yourself back to the seller.

(4) You fill out your half, the seller fills out his or hers, which includes serial number of the gun, make, model, caliber, etc., not to mention personal information about yourself and the seller.

(5) You take the paperwork back to the county sheriff's office.

(6) Wait five business days, probably more in certain jurisdictions.

(7) Return to the sheriff's office, and if you passed the background check, your permit will have been approved.

(8) Take the approved paperwork back to the dealer, and then you can legally take possession of the gun. You keep a copy, the dealer keeps a copy, and the sheriff's office keeps a copy.

(Meanwhile, if you wanted to make an illicit purchase, just go to the wrong part of town and throw down fifty or a hundred bucks.)"
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Yearly background checks in Missouri have doubled from 2000 to date with most of the increase beginning when Democrats took over congress in 2007 and Obama became President in 2009. Of course this has nothing to do with the increase of the murder rate starting in 2007.

#4 | Posted by KBM at 2014-02-17 07:58 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Pop my bubble, KBM! I was hoping the increase in gun deaths was because of jerks sticking their heads through bedroom windows at 3 a.m. demanding money.

#5 | Posted by Diablo at 2014-02-18 02:06 AM | Reply | Flag:

Tons of person-person undocumented in-state sales in MO...and elsewhere...just look online.

#6 | Posted by Greatamerican at 2014-02-18 04:07 AM | Reply | Flag:

Pop my bubble, KBM!

#5 | POSTED BY DIABLO AT 2014-02-18 02:06 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

Get a room.

#7 | Posted by 726 at 2014-02-18 07:15 AM | Reply | Flag:

Seems like it would be easy to quantify how many deaths are actually caused by people who would have failed whatever check is "missing". Time consuming but easy.

Seems dishonest to talk about general gun deaths rather than the measurable impact of whatever policy it is the author is condoning.

#8 | Posted by Sully at 2014-02-18 09:42 AM | Reply | Flag:

Seems like it would be easy to quantify how many deaths are actually caused by people who would have failed whatever check is "missing". Time consuming but easy.

Seems dishonest to talk about general gun deaths rather than the measurable impact of whatever policy it is the author is condoning.

#9 | Posted by Sully at 2014-02-18 09:42 AM | Reply | Flag:

I'm not sure if you can assign blame with confidence Sully. You're assuming the system is perfect if you do.

#10 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2014-02-18 01:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

This study just doesn't make sense. Why would gun deaths increase just because more people are getting guns? I mean, what's the connection there?

#11 | Posted by nimbleswitch at 2014-02-18 05:51 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

In 1993 there were 590 murders in MO. In 2012 there were 389. In 1993 the population was 5.2 million. In 2012 it was 6 million.

#12 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2014-02-18 07:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

What? Guns kill people?

"around 60 more people have been murdered each year since the state of Missouri"

Most countries don't even have 60 gun deaths a year.

"After the law was repealed, unlicensed sellers were no longer required to perform background checks before selling their guns."

They repealed background checks for unlicensed sellers? Is that a typo? Why would they do that?

#13 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2014-02-18 10:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

Amazing.

When it's easier to get handguns, it's easier to use them for their intended purpose.

This is truly groundbreaking research.

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-02-18 10:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

Is that a typo?

More likely a misnomer.

Why would they do that?

To conform state law to federal law?

#15 | Posted by et_al at 2014-02-19 12:23 AM | Reply | Flag:

.... Showing His Hand!

**** Glad to see Matt Drudge is willingly spreading PROPAGANDA for the Obama Anti-Gun,Anti-Democracy Zionistas!!!

#16 | Posted by AntiCadillac at 2014-02-19 12:44 AM | Reply | Flag:

When it's easier to get handguns, it's easier to use them for their intended purpose.

This is truly groundbreaking research.

Indeed.

I'm sure the number of paper targets "killed" since then has increased more than 60 per year.

#17 | Posted by jpw at 2014-02-19 01:11 AM | Reply | Flag:

Without researching, bet it was mostly in da 'Hood.....EVERY nite on St. Louis news...

#18 | Posted by Greatamerican at 2014-02-19 03:36 AM | Reply | Flag:

I believe the ole saying is: Correlation IS NOT Causation.

#19 | Posted by GotTruth at 2014-02-19 06:56 AM | Reply | Flag:

Correlation IS NOT Causation.

Unless it's the ole "more CCW = less crime" saying.

#20 | Posted by REDIAL at 2014-02-19 07:24 AM | Reply | Flag:

There will never be any sane gun laws in this country until we get sane leadership of the NRA.

LaPierre used to be for sane gun policy.

He's been been bought and paid for like most politicians.

#21 | Posted by drewl at 2014-02-19 10:34 AM | Reply | Flag:

"I'm not sure if you can assign blame with confidence Sully. You're assuming the system is perfect if you do."

If we know what would cause someone to fail a background check then in cases where we know who the murderer is it can be verified whether the murderer A) Purchased the gun legally and B) Would have failed the background check.

It would be time consuming to compile the data but it would directly measure the impact of having no background checks.

#22 | Posted by Sully at 2014-02-19 10:47 AM | Reply | Flag:

I do believe that pink guns, that look like toys should be outlawed.

#3 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour

Along with sour mash whiskey.

#23 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-02-19 11:13 AM | Reply | Flag:

"There will never be any sane gun laws in this country until we get sane leadership of the NRA."

NOT a NRA member.

AM a owner of Multiple firearms.

PLEASE explain to me what you think are "sane" gun laws.

I am truly interested to hear a reply.

#24 | Posted by GotTruth at 2014-02-20 12:45 AM | Reply | Flag:

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