Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Monday, February 17, 2014

Bill Scher, The Week: We all know why Christie has been sinking: lingering suspicions over his role in Bridgegate, much of which has been fueled by MSNBC's relentless coverage. ... But why hasn't Clinton suffered similarly in the past several weeks? Fox News has been just as tough on her regarding the Benghazi attack. Fox has the bigger audience. And Fox is the experienced TV muckraker, having gamely tried to tag the Obama administration with a series of supposed scandals such as Solyndra, Operation Fast and Furious, and the IRS auditing episode, often prioritizing such stories when more traditional outlets put them on the back burner. Indeed, it is MSNBC's coverage that is packing the bigger punch and influencing the most voters. What is Fox doing wrong and MSNBC doing right? It comes down to credibility.

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... Fox has created itself a sizeable audience, but drowns it in a swamp of fever dreams and cuts it off from the reality-based community. MSNBC's audience may be smaller, but it's more influential and helps carry MSNBC's coverage farther.

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I like how you werked Fox and credibility into the same headline.

Impressive.

#1 | Posted by Corky at 2014-02-17 11:16 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 3

Seriously? Have you not seen the Pew poll regarding which news sources are the most trusted and which are considered the least reliable? I'm neither a Fox fan nor a Fox watcher, but MSNBC is pablum with an audience that numbers in the hundreds, even if they all fervently believe what they're watching. That said, the only news I reliably watch on television is 45 minutes of Morning Joe.

stateofthemedia.org
www.mediabistro.com

#2 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-02-17 11:20 AM | Reply | Flag:

"That said, the only news I reliably watch on television is 45 minutes of Morning Joe."

PBS Newshour is the only reliable news. Try it sometime.

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#3 | Posted by Dave at 2014-02-17 12:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

MSNBC even apologized because a guest mentioned the name 'Lewinsky'.

#4 | Posted by KBM at 2014-02-17 12:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

"...supposed scandals such as Solyndra, Operation Fast and Furious, and the IRS auditing episode..."

Supposed? Yeah, in your dreams.

#5 | Posted by Diablo at 2014-02-17 03:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

#5 | POSTED BY DIABLO

Such strong, credible scandals that have led to the inevitable impeachment of B. Hussein Obama. Oh wait...no they didn't.

Some fnckin' scandal. Bill Clinton gets impeached for lying about a --------. Repubs can't even impeach B. Hussein Obama over, well, anything.

Some scandals those are turning out to be. Or could it be the sex variable that is necessitated for Republicans to go after a Dem president? Just what is it about B. Hussein Obama that keeps the Republicans from ousting the Muslim-in-Chief?

#6 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-02-17 03:06 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

#6 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11

Impeachment isn't a legal remedy, it's a political remedy.

The political will to impeach Obama doesn't currently exist. This is why so few actually talk about impeachment in a serious manner.

#7 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-02-17 03:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

#7 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Meh, fair enough.

:-)

#8 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-02-17 03:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Just what is it about B. Hussein Obama that keeps the Republicans from ousting the Muslim-in-Chief?"

A Democratic senate, for one.

#9 | Posted by Diablo at 2014-02-17 03:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Just what is it about B. Hussein Obama that keeps the Republicans from ousting the Muslim-in-Chief?"

As far as I know being in over your head isn't a crime?

#10 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-02-17 03:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

A Democratic senate, for one.
#9 | POSTED BY DIABLO

So that keeps the House from even trying? Hmmmmm. Says more about the scandals than it does about partisanship.

Did B. Hussein Obama break the law or not, DIABLO?

#11 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-02-17 03:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

Says more about the scandals than it does about partisanship.

Fast and Furious: Negligence and incompetence but not scandalous. Why cite 'executive privilege'?

Benghazi: Negligence and incompetence but not scandalous. Why lie about the Youtube video?

IRS: Indisputably a huge scandal BUT evidence doesn't currently exist that ties it directly to the WH. Having said that, having Barbara Bosserman appointed as lead investigator and having the FBI claim no criminality when they didn't even bother themselves to interview any of the aggrieved certainly causes pause...

Pigford: Huge scandal directly tied to the WH, but out of a sense of political correctness (I guess) it has been pretty much ignored.

The GOP is utterly useless when it comes to checking this president. Add to that a legacy media that is absolutely in the tank for this president and we have a climate where not only is impeachment not even a remote possibility (perhaps the short list I've provided doesn't warrant impeachment) but this president has become increasingly emboldened as he's never held accountable for anything by our media.

#12 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-02-17 03:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

Foxnews time is over.

They now get to reap the wirlwind.

#13 | Posted by Tor at 2014-02-17 03:41 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

"Did B. Hussein Obama break the law or not, DIABLO?"

I think he did, but Lois Lerner took the 5th....without complaint from liberals.

#14 | Posted by Diablo at 2014-02-17 03:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

I think he did, but Lois Lerner took the 5th....without complaint from liberals.
#14 | POSTED BY DIABLO

I would imagine pleading the fifth, or you know, one's constitutional right, would be something valued by the Right, no?

#15 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-02-17 03:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Obama administration with a series of supposed scandals such as Solyndra, Operation Fast and Furious, and the IRS auditing episode" - FTA

Points out the hypocrisy of those decrying a higher minimum wage, using the we are subsidizing WalMart indirectly through benefits for its employees.......

Where as in the case of Solyndra et al "loans" we supported their employees directly..... but thats ok....

#16 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-02-17 03:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

I would imagine pleading the fifth, or you know, one's constitutional right, would be something valued by the Right, no?

#15 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-02-17 03:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

I have no problem with her pleading the fifth. She shouldn't have been able to make a statement though and then plead the 5th. To me once she opened her mouth with anything other than the 5th she forfeited it. What I find funny is everyone over at MSNBC getting the vapors b/c Gov Christie's people plead the 5th. Sure it looks bad but, people have a right not to send themselves to prison.

#17 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-02-17 03:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

Add to that a legacy media that is absolutely in the tank for this president and we have a climate where not only is impeachment not even a remote possibility (perhaps the short list I've provided doesn't warrant impeachment) but this president has become increasingly emboldened as he's never held accountable for anything by our media.

Please. Save me the indignation. The press has been in the Fed's pocket for DECADES:

MEDIA CONTROL DOCUMENT - CIA Memorandum Subject: Task Force Report on Greater CIA Openness - dated December 1991

"PAO [Public Affairs Office] now has relationships with reporters from every major wire service, newspaper, news weekly, and television network in the nation. This has helped us turn some intelligence failure stories into intelligence success stories, and it has contributed to the accuracy of countless others. In many instances, we have persuaded reporters to postpone, change, hold, or even scrap stories that could have adversely affected national security interests or jeopardized sources and methods."

www.namebase.org

#18 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-02-17 03:51 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

What I find funny is everyone over at MSNBC getting the vapors b/c Gov Christie's people plead the 5th.

HAHA! I like the reference to 'vapors'.

Sure it looks bad but, people have a right not to send themselves to prison.

Entirely agree, which is why I don't follow MSNBC's bitch fest about Christ Christie.

#19 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-02-17 03:54 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

*Chris

#20 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-02-17 03:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

Please. Save me the indignation.

Nope.

The press was outraged by Bush's drone policy. When Obama expanded it 10-fold they yawned.

The press was outraged by Bush's warrantless wiretaps but have been far more quiet regarding Obama's NSA protocols which are far more expansive than what we had under Bush.

Abu Graihb was covered for months and months. Outside of a few conservative outlets and 1 well-written NYT article, Pigford has been completely ignored.

I have little problem with the way in which the MSM treats Republican lawmakers. They are supposed to be contentious and highly skeptical. The problem with the MSM lies with their puppy-dog treatment of Dem lawmakers and this president in particular.

The bigger problem has nothing to do with Obama. He's setting precedents, that if go unchallenged, will be adopted by future presidents.

#21 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-02-17 03:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

Who cares about MSNBC

#22 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2014-02-17 04:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

I guess daves does and a few other liberal people in the country very few that is

#23 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2014-02-17 04:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Who cares about MSNBC"

Who opened the link and bothered to comment...twice?

Bonehead.

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#24 | Posted by Dave at 2014-02-17 04:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'd like for DIABLO to tell us where she got her degree in constitutional law.

Was it ivy league or matchbook cover?

#25 | Posted by Twinpac at 2014-02-17 04:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

Who cares about MSNBC

The Christie camp cares.

#26 | Posted by YAV at 2014-02-17 05:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

24 you care obviously. Perhaps you would like to tell a dave why MSNBC has the lowest ratings of all cable news channels

#27 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2014-02-17 05:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

Perhaps you would like to tell a dave why MSNBC has the lowest ratings of all cable news channels

#27 | POSTED BY DAVETHEWAVE AT 2014-02-17 05:20 PM | FLAG: MISSING THE OBVIOUS

Because more people watch FUAX instead of actually doing something...making it very clear why the clown brigade lost the last election by such a large margin. Mass agreement from the Barcalounger bunch is meaningless.

Besides you are talking about such a small percentage of the population that actually watch the news from any source. So when you are talking about FAUX has a large market share of blopdablam you are bragging about an insignificant number of people... or as this article points out the audience --- reaches has insignificant influence over anything.

Funny how it all boils down to money with you folks. You assign credibility to how much revenue a person or company takes in... which is all that ratings amount to. Despite his efforts your blow hard in chief has never made it out of AM radio. Still he hates Obama, gets a fat pay check which proves he has a valid opinion to the clown brigade.

Meanwhile a media mogul has a net worth 95 times that of the favored fat clown and has managed to successfully find a place in virtually all venues and is an ardent supporter of Obama. She could buy FAUX news with her chump change. But why bother?

#28 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2014-02-17 06:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

MSNBC Outpunches Fox on Scandals

The biggest "So What?" of the month here on the Retort.

#29 | Posted by LastAmerican at 2014-02-17 06:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

The Network that cried Wolf a few too many times.

I told you this would happen six months ago.

#30 | Posted by Sycophant at 2014-02-17 08:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

The audiences and the electorate like progressives and don't like conservatives. One problem with a Republic-it requires an informed and reason based electorate. We do not have that. Look at the results of Obama and Progressive (progress in what direction) programs.

#31 | Posted by Donald at 2014-02-17 08:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

The article has some good points, but there is a big difference they left out. A days long traffic snarl on the GWB is something that directly impacted a number of MSNBC viewers and is something that anyone who has ever sat in traffic thinking they are just closing these lanes as an excuse to spend the DOT budget can relate.

The scandals Fox has picked up on and their impacts are not as relatable. Benghazi, Solyndra, Operation Fast and Furious, and the IRS auditing episode are fairly abstract things to most people.

#32 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2014-02-17 08:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

Since being cutoff at the knees by Reagan and depending heavily now on Corporate sponsorship PBS News Hour has been neutralized. They do delve into issues deeper than the Network News, but carefully dodge stories contrary to the American fairytale of freedom and Democracy. They won't reveal the pernicious role of the USA in Ukraine for example.

#33 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-02-17 10:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

Abu Graihb was covered for months and months. Outside of a few conservative outlets and 1 well-written NYT article, Pigford has been completely ignored.

I only just heard of Pigford (vague recollection of hearing about it on the radio when it happened...it never stuck though) and read the wiki page, but based on that do you honestly think the two are comparable?

#34 | Posted by jpw at 2014-02-18 01:43 AM | Reply | Flag:

Sher is clueless, MSNBC does not have enough viewers to make a difference in any poll. If they did Obummer would have stellar approval numbers. The difference is the print media and radio keep hammering the Christe thing and ignoring the Clinton thing. Of course it helps that an improbable run by Hillary the witch is years away so it is not front page news.

Sher is trying to make it look like somebody on the planet watches MSNBC. Comcast has all of a sudden realized that you cannot sell ads on a station that nobody watches. If you cannot sell ads, you cannot make money and can lose a bunch of money. Sher is trying to make MSNBC look viable before all his buddies get fired.

#35 | Posted by gtjr at 2014-02-18 10:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

#27 | Posted by DavetheWave
"Perhaps you would like to tell a dave why MSNBC has the lowest ratings of all cable news channels"

Great. So Fox News is the Brittney-Gaga-Kanye of cable news.

Aim high, my friends.

#36 | Posted by TheTom at 2014-02-18 11:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

only just heard of Pigford (vague recollection of hearing about it on the radio when it happened...it never stuck though) and read the wiki page, but based on that do you honestly think the two are comparable?

#34 | POSTED BY JPW

Read the NYT article about it.

It's a multi-billion dollar scam.

Yes, it's a HUGE deal IMO.

#37 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-02-19 12:19 AM | Reply | Flag:

Try giving this article to MSNBC and Matthews will have leg cramps...
beforeitsnews.com

#38 | Posted by takitez at 2014-02-19 03:53 AM | Reply | Flag:

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