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Monday, February 10, 2014

The Ecologist: New research predicts that coastal regions face massive increases in damages from storm surge flooding over the 21st century -- to $100 trillion annually, more than the world's entire economic product today. According to a study published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, global average storm surge damages could increase from about $10-$40 billion per year today to up to $100,000 billion per year by the end of century, if no adaptation action is taken. This staggering figure represents the upper end of the estimate that storm surges will cost between 0.3 and 9.3% of global GDP by 2100, taking into account expected GDP increases. But timely investments in coastal protection could cut that cost by more than 99.9%, the authors conclude. "Countries need to take action and invest in coastal protection measures, such as building or raising dikes, amongst other options," said Jochen Hinkel, the lead author of the study.

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Apathy is the answer, right?

#1 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-02-10 01:56 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

Apathy is the answer, right?

#1 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11

Beats the hell out of stupid carbon taxes that crush the standard of living for millions but won't have any kind of impact on warming.

#2 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-02-10 02:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

#1 Maybe apathy, maybe not...who cares...

I suppose I should freak out about volcanoes, asteroids, earthquakes, tsunamis and solar flares, too...but I don't.

#3 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-02-10 02:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

"carbon taxes that crush the standard of living for millions"

Millions? Can you just post one person (shows their standard of living crushed by a carbon tax).

#4 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2014-02-10 02:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

"New research predicts that coastal regions face massive increases in damages from storm surge flooding over the 21st century - to $100 trillion annually, more than the world's entire economic product today."

I quit worrying about that crap when global warming guru, Algore, moved to a huge carbon-footprint house on the shore in Florida. If HE ain't worried, I ain't worried.

#5 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-02-10 02:16 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Millions? Can you just post one person (shows their standard of living crushed by a carbon tax).
#4 | POSTED BY CHIEFTUTMOSES

Carbon taxes are a means for greatly driving up the cost of carbon-based fuel as to then 'nudge' people to make do with less of it thus reducing overall emissions.

Take a poor household that is barely making ends meet and double the cost to heat and cool their home, power all of their electronics and the fuel needed to drive to and from work and any place else and watch what happens to their standard of living.

#6 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-02-10 02:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

#4 His method of deriving "millions" is probably every bit as accurate as the methods used to come up with "100 trillion annually" [...]

#7 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-02-10 02:20 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

The sky is falling! The sky is falling!

#8 | Posted by Diablo at 2014-02-10 02:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Take a poor household that is barely making ends meet and double the cost to heat"
Umm, you said carbon taxes "crush the standard of living for millions".

I asked for evidence of just one. Out of these "millions" you would think you could cough up at least one real, non-hypothetical example.
In the real world this is called a lie. A stupid lie that didn't need telling. [...]

"If HE ain't worried, I ain't worried"

Al gore has a net worth of $300 million. He isn't worried [...]

#9 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2014-02-10 02:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

Beats the hell out of stupid carbon taxes that crush the standard of living for millions but won't have any kind of impact on warming.
#2 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

At least paint your god damn roof white, eh JEFFY?

:-P

#11 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-02-10 02:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

At least paint your god damn roof white, eh JEFFY?
:-P

#11 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11

Good one! Seriously.

#12 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-02-10 03:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

Sounds like we need to increase the amount of money going to Americacorp et al to protect our waterfronts.

#13 | Posted by Tor at 2014-02-10 03:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's only money.

"But timely investments in coastal protection could cut that cost by more than 99.9%, the authors conclude."

ROFLMAO. Of course. 'Gimme money NOW! Lots of money!'

#14 | Posted by KBM at 2014-02-10 04:15 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"Gimme money NOW! Lots of money!"
#14 | Posted by KBM at 2014-02-10 04:15 PM | Reply

You forgot to add, "and then when it doesn't happen, I'll take all the credit for stopping it."

#15 | Posted by hawk at 2014-02-10 04:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Al gore has a net worth of $300 million. He isn't worried ------"

Of course he's not worried, 'cause HE knows the whole "global warming" harangue is a load of cow poo poo. BUT he's sure made a bundle from it...as you've stated above. He'll be high and dry, no sweat, and you'll probably be shaking while watching for that big rise in sea level that HE knows won't happen.[...]

Do you REALLY think that China, India, Venezuela, Mexico, Brazil and many others are gonna follow us when we go all green, windmills and solar power? So lets just wreck our entire economy while Algore lives on the beach laughing at your ass like he did those fools who were knocking him for selling out to Al Jazeera. [...]

#16 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-02-10 04:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

Railway workers inspect the railway line at Dawlish after part of it was washed away by the sea
'Highest wave ever' recorded off British coast.

lol

The future will not be kind to the terminally stupid.

#17 | Posted by Zatoichi at 2014-02-10 05:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Al gore has a net worth of $300 million. He isn't worried"

The Koch Brothers have that in their front pockets.

So why would you think Al Gore would not be worried, but you would think the Kochs are?

Oh, that's right....you pretend to know anything about those people, none of whom would ever let you near them.

I don't know anything about carbon taxes but I will tell you that the insurance industry will not lose money on this. They'll either collect enough premium to surround the risk or they'll get out of it.

BTW, the P&C industry just loves doomsday predictions like this.

#18 | Posted by eberly at 2014-02-10 05:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

Of course. 'Gimme money NOW! Lots of money!'

The author of the study and the Global Climate Forum aren't asking for money, nor would they make money from the large-scale storm surge mitigation projects.

I don't take much stock in the numbers from this prediction, but after Katrina and Sandy it would be magnificently stupid not to prepare for the higher storm surges that are an obvious and inescapable consequence of a significant rise in sea level.

#19 | Posted by rcade at 2014-02-10 06:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

but after Katrina and Sandy it would be magnificently stupid not to prepare for the higher storm surges that are an obvious and inescapable consequence of a significant rise in sea level.

Now that is common sense. A warming planet brings certain problems as well as some benefits.

Deal with the actual problems, not boogeymen.

#20 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-02-10 06:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

a significant rise in sea level.

#19 | Posted by rcade at 2014-02-10 06:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

How many feet in a "significant" RCADE? I would worry more about subsidence along the coast than an increase in sea level.

#22 | Posted by e_pluribus_unum at 2014-02-10 06:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

You forgot to add, "and then when it doesn't happen, I'll take all the credit for stopping it."
#15 | POSTED BY HAWK

A win-win!

#23 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-02-10 06:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

Who should pay? Owners? Or taxpayers? Decisions. Decisions. Such a hard decision to make. After no thought, I think owners should pay. Repair the damages at personal cost or abandon the property. Owners bear the risk. Nature has no sympathy for them and neither do I.

#24 | Posted by Ray at 2014-02-10 07:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

#15 works for the DoD and HLS.

#25 | Posted by bored at 2014-02-10 07:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

How many feet in a "significant" RCADE?

That depends on what low-lying areas you consider significant.

Here's a map you can use to see the effects of different increases in the sea level.

flood.firetree.net

#26 | Posted by rcade at 2014-02-10 08:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

I like how the guy who says Al Gore is a moron is happy to follow Al Gore's lead.

#27 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-02-10 08:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

Repair the damages at personal cost or abandon the property. Owners bear the risk. Nature has no sympathy for them and neither do I.

#24 | POSTED BY RAY

Yes, lets abandon every major city with a seaport. Let's see, that's probably about 90 of major population centers in the country.

#28 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2014-02-10 09:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yes, lets abandon every major city with a seaport. Let's see, that's probably about 90 of major population centers in the country.
#28 | POSTED BY WHODAMAN

Abandon? Who said anything about abandon? I'm talking about property owners bearing the cost of losses. The sea level doesn't rise that fast.

#29 | Posted by Ray at 2014-02-10 09:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

Did that whole Hurricane Sandy thing just go by you? You really think it is within the wherewithal of all the property owners affected (not just beach homes, but major cities like Hoboken) to bear the cost of all the losses? I want some of whatever it is you are smoking.

#30 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2014-02-10 10:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

Arnold wanted to build more dams and reservoirs in case California faced a drought like we have now but it was decided that the salmon and the Delta smelt were more important. It's like when liberals are in control it's a lose lose.

#31 | Posted by Huguenot at 2014-02-11 12:20 AM | Reply | Flag:

..sea level doesn't rise that fast? wha?

Article is referencing a storm surge..like the one NYC/Hoboken and the Jersey Shore experienced during Sandy. Storm surges erode many of the beaches and natural barriers that keep destruction to a minimum.

Ask the people of Sea Bright, Nj if they aren't concerned about this.

#32 | Posted by drewinnj at 2014-02-11 08:59 AM | Reply | Flag:

..sea level doesn't rise that fast? wha?

Article is referencing a storm surge..like the one NYC/Hoboken and the Jersey Shore experienced during Sandy. Storm surges erode many of the beaches and natural barriers that keep destruction to a minimum.

Ask the people of Sea Bright, Nj if they aren't concerned about this.

#33 | Posted by drewinnj at 2014-02-11 08:59 AM | Reply | Flag:

..sea level doesn't rise that fast? wha?

Article is referencing a storm surge..like the one NYC/Hoboken and the Jersey Shore experienced during Sandy. Storm surges erode many of the beaches and natural barriers that keep destruction to a minimum.

Ask the people of Sea Bright, Nj if they aren't concerned about this.

#34 | Posted by drewinnj at 2014-02-11 08:59 AM | Reply | Flag:

The solution is so simple even a climate change denier can grasp it. Mortgage all waterfront property to the max with Investment Banks holding the bag. The when the properties are destroyed the Fed can print $100 trillion with a simple keystroke and the Banks will not only be whole again, they'll have money to rebuild all the wrecked homes. Bernanke has always said that the purpose of the bailouts was to boost the economy and we've seen how well that works.

#35 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-02-11 09:23 AM | Reply | Flag:

Nobody living along the coast wants protection from storm surges built (in America anyway). They are so unsightly and don't forget about the environmental impact studies. It would wipe out the sand crabs.

Back when Arnold wanted to build the dams and reservoirs he was citing "global warming".

#36 | Posted by Huguenot at 2014-02-11 09:49 AM | Reply | Flag:

Did that whole Hurricane Sandy thing just go by you? You really think it is within the wherewithal of all the property owners affected (not just beach homes, but major cities like Hoboken) to bear the cost of all the losses? I want some of whatever it is you are smoking.
#30 | Posted by WhoDaMan

Sick and tired of seeing taxpayers subsidizing losses, whether its the Jersey shore, General Motors or Wall Street. All government does is charge the bill to future generations. Eventually the bills are going to come due.

BTW I live in Jersey. Northern Jersey has a section known as the flood plains which, at one time, was zoned off for building. Eventually builders bribed the politicians and the land was built on anyway. Now floods are a regular occurance as are taxpayer bailouts. It's no wonder governments at every level are in debt beyond all means.

#37 | Posted by Ray at 2014-02-11 10:18 AM | Reply | Flag:

The sky is falling! The sky is falling!

#8 | POSTED BY DIABLO

The Oceans are rising! The Oceans are rising!

#38 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-02-11 11:24 AM | Reply | Flag:

I suppose I should freak out about volcanoes, asteroids, earthquakes, tsunamis and solar flares, too...but I don't.

#3 | POSTED BY MUSTANG

Yes why study and prepare for any if those things. God would never harm us.

#39 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-02-11 11:28 AM | Reply | Flag:

Thats correct which is why we should stop bailing out people who live on the coast who refuse to buy insurance.

If your going to live in the flood surge area then you need to foot the total cost to rebuilding.

Why should tax payers pay to rebuild homes in surge areas when they will just be destroyed again?

The US needs to identify such surge and flood areas and not pay these people any FEMA funds They need to buy the gov flood insurance.

#40 | Posted by tmaster at 2014-02-11 11:31 AM | Reply | Flag:

"higher storm surges that are an obvious and inescapable consequence of a significant rise in sea level."

I don't think you know what a storm surge actually is, based on that statement.

#41 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2014-02-11 11:40 AM | Reply | Flag:

#40

Actually what's insane is that the flood insurance program is a taxpayer subsidized program and it's stupid considering that a large amount of what the program pays out is in recurring properties meaning that we continue to pay flood claims on the same properties over and over.

we'd be better off to just buy these properties and move these people.

#42 | Posted by eberly at 2014-02-11 12:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

Beats the hell out of stupid carbon taxes that crush the standard of living for millions but won't have any kind of impact on warming.

#2 | Posted by JeffJ

What warming?

#43 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-02-11 12:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

What warming?
#43 | POSTED BY SNIPER

The Earth is warming, SNIPE, whether you have acknowledge as much or not. The debate now surrounds whether it is anthropogenically based or not.

But you knew this, didn't you.

#44 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-02-11 01:00 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

#39 Prepare how? I can't do a damned thing about an asteroid or a solar flare. I have just chosen not to be stupid. I don't live in a flood zone, I don't live in tornado alley, I don't live on the beach, I don't live next to a volcano. I don't live in a city that requires a constant influx of food or outflow of waste. I have cleared the area around my house of trees that might fall on it. I have excellent homeowners insurance. If you are one of those that choose to double dare mother nature, and you are unprepared for the consequences, no matter how remote, you should not be able to have the federal government bail you out.

#45 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-02-11 04:09 PM | Reply | Flag:


I don't take much stock in the numbers from this prediction, but after Katrina and Sandy it would be magnificently stupid not to prepare for the higher storm surges that are an obvious and inescapable consequence of a significant rise in sea level.

#19 | Posted by rcade

Actually, the potential catastrophe talked about in this article have 99% to do with man building too close to the sea and 1% on the fact that in the enormous cycle of nature peaks in storm surges from time to time.

The bad effects of Hurricane Sandy and Katrina were not caused by a rise in Sea level. It was a storm that travelled a few degrees to the North. Unusual for recent history (300 years or so). Not unusual for a time span just a little longer, say 2000 years.

#46 | Posted by LastAmerican at 2014-02-11 04:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

libs, yadda, yadda and more yadda; snore…..

#47 | Posted by MSgt at 2014-02-11 07:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

storm surge and rise in sea levels are two different things...kinda like weather and climate.

#48 | Posted by drewinnj at 2014-02-12 09:05 AM | Reply | Flag:

Re #48 and when they happen together. VOILA. La Catastrophe.

#49 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-02-12 10:59 AM | Reply | Flag:

If you build your house on the coast you're eventually going to be affected by weather (hurricane, storm surge, rising sea levels, reduction in sea levels). If you are worried about this, pay for it yourself or move. Taxpayers should not subsidize your view.

#50 | Posted by bogey1355 at 2014-02-12 12:23 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Millions? Can you just post one person (shows their standard of living crushed by a carbon tax).

#4 | POSTED BY CHIEFTUTMOSES

It ain't you chi, anyone sucking on the government teat isn't hurt by another tax.

#51 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-02-12 03:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

The sky is falling! The sky is falling!

#8 | POSTED BY DIABLO

Only on the progressive libs.

#52 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-02-12 03:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

Earth is Cooling…No It's Warming

In 1967 Hansen went to work for NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies, in New York City, where he continued his research on planetary problems. Around 1970, some scientists suspected Earth was entering a period of global cooling. Decades prior, the brilliant Serbian mathematician Milutin Milankovitch had explained how our world warms and cools on roughly 100,000-year cycles due to its slowly changing position relative to the Sun. Milankovitch's theory suggested Earth should be just beginning to head into its next ice age cycle. The surface temperature data gathered by Mitchell seemed to agree; the record showed that Earth experienced a period of cooling (by about 0.3°C) from 1940 through 1970. Of course, Mitchell was only collecting data over a fraction of the Northern Hemisphere -- from 20 to 90 degrees North latitude. Still, the result drew public attention and a number of speculative articles about Earth's coming ice age appeared in newspapers and magazines.

#53 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-02-12 03:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

Why thank you sniper for taking your information out of context.

To see snipers stolen quote in context go to this link.

earthobservatory.nasa.gov

#54 | Posted by Tor at 2014-02-12 03:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

#53 | Posted by Sniper

Wow. So you're saying that people today know more about the climate than they did 50 years ago?

What a scandal.

It's called science. It progresses. Sorry we know you hate things that do that.

#55 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-02-12 03:32 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

If you are one of those that choose to double dare mother nature, and you are unprepared for the consequences, no matter how remote, you should not be able to have the federal government bail you out.

#45 | Posted by MUSTANG

The entire republican party has chosen the path of double daring mother nature. That oil money is just too tastey to them.

Always with the excuse of "it's too expensive to get off oil" Then when the storm hits, they're first in line for emergency funds.

#56 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-02-12 03:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

Basically we are undergoing the same type weather cycle which we had in the 60s and 70s. One of the reasons that in the 70s the alarmists were shouting global cooling/Ice Age. Imagine that, the earth going through cycles -- who could have guessed.

#57 | Posted by MSgt at 2014-02-12 04:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

Bush's fault.

#58 | Posted by drewl at 2014-02-12 04:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

Bush's fault.

#58 | Posted by drewl

Bush's bosses' fault actually. Exxon and Saudi Arabia.

#59 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-02-12 04:22 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

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