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Charles Blow: The Republican messaging machine is at it again, cranking out scurrilous memes that defame the president and distract from the party's inaction. The latest talking point is that the president is a "lawless" "dictator" hellbent on operating outside, and indeed above, the law. ... It seems to matter not that this president has in no way been an abuser of executive orders. Quite the opposite. According to the American Presidency Project, a collaboration between John T. Woolley and Gerhard Peters at the University of California, Santa Barbara, President Obama had issued only 168 executive orders as of Jan. 20, fewer than any two-term president in more than 100 years.

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This lawlessness talk is simply another iteration of the "othering" of this president. Paint him as a criminal, an enemy to the rule of law, and by extension, to the construct of America. America is, after all, a nation of laws. ...

They are banking on wearing down the truth, and this president, through what has become their bailiwick: repetition of fallacy.

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you will not find the other presidents changing a law now 16 times. A law that we got LECTURED by even 'you people' that was a law that was settled and COULD NOT BE CHANGED !!!!!!!!!!....so by your own words this thread is just another liberal apology and excuse for this LAWLESS president.

#1 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-02-09 12:13 AM | Reply | Flag:

and I ask all the time about how he can just change things..even major parts of it..like deadlines for coverage and then extorting insurance companies and business into delaying things to dates that JUST HAPPEN TO BE sometime after November of 2014....wow...what a coincidence THAT is....

#2 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-02-09 12:19 AM | Reply | Flag:

Lawless?

Then what's keeping wallstreet from being burned?

#3 | Posted by Tor at 2014-02-09 12:21 AM | Reply | Flag:

"They are banking on wearing down the truth, and this president, through what has become their bailiwick: repetition of fallacy."

Like these often repeated gems?

"If you like your health care plan, you can keep it"

"If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor"

"If you like your healthcare plan, you can keep your healthcare plan, period"

"Premiums will be reduced by 2,500.00″

"Nothing in this plan will require you or your employer to change the coverage or Doctor you have."

"Nobody's going to force you to leave your healthcare plan"

"No matter what you've heard, if you like your Doctor or Healthcare plan you can keep it."

"It will not impose a single new burden on small business"

"It will reduce our deficit by 4 Trillion dollars"

#4 | Posted by sames1 at 2014-02-09 01:17 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Paint him as a criminal, an enemy to the rule of law, and by extension, to the construct of America. America is, after all, a nation of laws. ... "

Just checking, but did ACA (Obamacare) have in the letter of the law the ability for a president to exempt groups and change the effective dates of implementation by executive fiat?

#5 | Posted by Diablo at 2014-02-09 01:53 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

The bill itself allows the executive discretion in implementing the law. This is not new or uncommon. It's a way of avoiding having to go to the legistlator for every little thing. Republicans have gone completely off he rails since Obama was elected. No amount of inconsistent bs can wake them from their delusion. This has everything to do with nullifying the president.

#6 | Posted by ron81 at 2014-02-09 05:02 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 4

What a joke rcade. You must really have to strain, nor to post the WSJ interview with the CBO economist.

#7 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2014-02-09 08:00 AM | Reply | Flag:

Lets not pretend that our President's operate within the law. They might prefer to, and as Shrub did, rewrite or reinterpret the Law for their own convenience. But this country has shown little respect for international law or human rights or freedom or democracy. That never stops us from wrapping ourselves in those principles, whenever its convenient. Whenever those things interfere with our race to exploit the labor and resources of other countries against the will of those people they ignore the law and nobody does anything about it. Piling on this President for that offense is both legitimate and another example of crass politics at best and more blatant racism at worst.

#8 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-02-09 10:17 AM | Reply | Flag:

and I ask all the time about how he can just change things..even major parts of it..like deadlines for coverage and then extorting insurance companies and business into delaying things to dates that JUST HAPPEN TO BE sometime after November of 2014....wow...what a coincidence THAT is....
#2 | POSTED BY AFKABL2 AT 2014-02-09 12:19 AM | FLAG: MISSING THE OBVIOUS

You offer up the best proof contained in this article. You take minutia and turn it into this horrible thing when really all you are barking about is part of the adjustment process of implementing anything new. Besides you really need to get over it.

A deadline is not a "major part"... especially for anything big. You aren't a participant so why should it bother you?

You know if Bush had extended the deadline for Saddam so the inspectors could do their job... could have saved the nation a trillion dollars, countless lives, and our nations credibility. That in itself should have taught you to be a little more flexible.

This is a massive undertaking and your upset is another one of those pointless ventures in futility raising your blood pressure for no earthly reason. Blah blah November really... Yeah I know the bad bad dictator who wants to implement domestic policies benefitting low income Americans. What an awful man. No wonder you hate him.

What the clowns like call good is starving its own citizens into ambition and bombing the bejeezus out of nations that don't share our world view. Sounds an awful lot like that North Korea you and your kind rattle on about.

Let me pass on a little secret... there are liberal shills out there planting these ideas in unsuspecting clown brains like yours telling you to pitch a fit about minutia because it is an an excellent way of preventing you from formulating a genuine argument about serious issues. Funny thing. You fall for it every time. Its like shooting pigs in a barrel.

#9 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2014-02-09 10:43 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"President Obama had issued only 168 executive orders as of Jan. 20, fewer than any two-term president in more than 100 years."

And how many of them are in direct contradiction to congressionally passed and presidentially signed written legislation? It's not the number of executive actions, it's the legality of them that's eating people. He's actually making Putin to appear not so bad.

#10 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-02-09 10:46 AM | Reply | Flag:

#9 | POSTED BY RIGHTISTRITE

I guess you're telling us that this administration is not so "transparent" as they try to tell us, right? Well, we've known that ever since the health care negotiations were shown on CSPAN. LOL

#11 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-02-09 10:55 AM | Reply | Flag:

Lawless?

Then what's keeping wallstreet from being burned?

#3 | Posted by Tor

They are his buddies.

#12 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-02-09 11:41 AM | Reply | Flag:

The bill itself allows the executive discretion in implementing the law. This is not new or uncommon.

#6 | Posted by ron81

show me where that is.

#13 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-02-09 11:43 AM | Reply | Flag:

Lets not pretend that our President's operate within the law. They might prefer to, and as Shrub did, rewrite or reinterpret the Law for their own convenience. But this country has shown little respect for international law or human rights or freedom or democracy. That never stops us from wrapping ourselves in those principles, whenever its convenient. Whenever those things interfere with our race to exploit the labor and resources of other countries against the will of those people they ignore the law and nobody does anything about it. Piling on this President for that offense is both legitimate and another example of crass politics at best and more blatant racism at worst.

#8 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-02-

could you please refresh my memory and show us where "W" unilaterally changed laws passed by congress.

#14 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-02-09 12:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

Let me pass on a little secret... there are liberal shills out there planting these ideas in unsuspecting clown brains like yours telling you to pitch a fit about minutia because it is an an excellent way of preventing you from formulating a genuine argument about serious issues. Funny thing. You fall for it every time. Its like shooting pigs in a barrel.

#9 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2014

"minutia"..this is what the constitution has become to obama drones like you. It's disgusting that the radical leftists have allowed this president to get away with this stuff. It's disgustingly pathetic that there are people like you who not only believe it but support it.
when these 'chickens come home to roost', left wing zealots are going to look up and wonder what happened and I'm going to laugh in your face.

#15 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-02-09 12:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

JEST AND OTHERS..

MOST of the time, these people are not going to give you examples of anything. It's all about denial, emotion and attack and the ones that do are dependable to spout out the democrat company line and as usual it's all done with semantics and 'think speech'.

#16 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-02-09 12:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

"The Obama administration is considering an extension of the president's decision to let people keep their individual insurance policies even if they are not compliant with the health care overhaul, industry and government officials said Thursday.

"To put it bluntly, this is illegal. "Prosecutorial discretion" is one thing; completely ignoring a part of what the Left is awfully fond of describing as "the law of the land" is quite another. And make no mistake: that is what the Obama administration is considering doing once again – usurping the power of Congress and rewriting the rules on its own. "

"As Northwestern's Eugene Kontorovitch correctly observed last time the president cloaked himself in the Divine Right of Kings, this really isn't a close one:

Unlike prior exercises of presidential enforcement discretion, the fix depends on states violating federal law. That is because it does not change the law on the books. Rather, the feds are simply signaling that they will not enforce certain provisions for some time.

www.nationalreview.com

#17 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-02-09 02:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

seems to me like this thread is over and done with.

#18 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-02-09 02:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

You mean we can put a fork into it afk?

#19 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-02-09 02:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

Ahh so much babble from the Party of Sour Grapes and so little time.

"On a number of prior occasions across administrations, this authority has been used to postpone the application of new legislation when the immediate application would have subjected taxpayers to unreasonable administrative burdens or costs," Mark Iwry, Deputy Assistant Secretary for Retirement and Health Policy at Treasury, told legislators.

The constution says that the President must take care the law is FAITHFULLY EXECUTED. Not faithfully repealed or destroyed or undermined. The actions he is taking is to insure the intent of the law is implemented. We all know your intentions Mr Babble.

But, do carry on with the Whine of the Day.

#20 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-02-09 02:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

so it's gone from being 'minutia'...to 'faithfully executing"...which of COURSE does not mean changing it depending upon the political polls in ANY WAY the president unilaterally decides...

as I said SNIPE.....close this "book"....

#21 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-02-09 03:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

seems to me like this thread is over and done with.
#18 | POSTED BY AFKABL2 AT 2014-02-09 02:07 PM | FLAG:

You mean we can put a fork into it afk?
#19 | POSTED BY SNIPER AT 2014-02-09 02:23 PM

Yes, go ahead and claim "victory". The rest of us will conduct discourse without your despicable hackery.

Thank you in advance.

:-)

#22 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-02-09 03:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

es, go ahead and claim "victory".
#22 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11

No, I have to agree. This thread is done. This article is out of desperation in hopes that someone would believe it.

I don't quite understand how the current Administration can continue to defy the law. It's killing the Democrats.

#23 | Posted by LastAmerican at 2014-02-09 06:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

President Obama had issued only 168 executive orders as of Jan. 20, fewer than any two-term president in more than 100 years.

I hate to agree with Paul Ryan and Jest, but a simple numbers comparison isn't giving anywhere near the entire story. It's sort of disingenuous to spin it that way.

On the other hand, I disagree completely with the rest of Jest's statement.

it's the legality of them that's eating people. He's actually making Putin to appear not so bad.

As if you, afk or the rest of the Fox News watching geriatric crowd have the slightest clue as to the legality of the orders. Hell, I'm more than willing to bet someone actually familiar with the law could mop the floor with you.

Not a difficult prediction, as in general you seem to fail, hard, whenever you debate someone who's actually knowledgeable. Probably because you're a parrot. *shrug*

#24 | Posted by jpw at 2014-02-09 08:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

show me where that is.

#13 | Posted by Sniper

Yawn. Like that would stop you from repeating the talking points verbatim.

#25 | Posted by jpw at 2014-02-09 08:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's all about denial, emotion and attack and the ones that do are dependable to spout out the democrat company line and as usual it's all done with semantics and 'think speech'.

#16 | Posted by afkabl2

Can someone please tattoo the definition of irony on Afk's arm so he can read it every time he goes to hit "publish"? That guy has some serious lack of self-awareness.

#26 | Posted by jpw at 2014-02-09 08:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

I don't quite understand how the current Administration can continue to defy the law. It's killing the Democrats.

Please list, specifically, the ways in which Obama is defying the law with his orders along with supporting links.

www.cnbc.com

Seems EOs are very common and rarely overturned. Maybe someone will take a crack at overturning some of Obama's. The way you guys talk, it should be a cake walk.

#27 | Posted by jpw at 2014-02-09 08:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

Most of the EOs Republicans object to were done in efforts to make the ACA less of a shock to businesses, etc. and to insure that the program, passed by Congress, would not fail. Republicans, in many cases, are now arguing that Obama had a responsibility to let the program fail and they are very upset that he didn't. Republicans, no ideas but lots of schemes to try and prevent those with them from succeeding.

#28 | Posted by danni at 2014-02-09 08:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

You are comparing apples and oranges, the other 2 term presidents had 8 years, obama has only had 5. Come back with this when he is at 8 years or tell us what the others had at year 5.

#29 | Posted by rehabber at 2014-02-09 09:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

As if you, afk or the rest of the Fox News watching geriatric crowd .....

#24 | Posted by jpw at 20

HEY !!! I'll geriatric YOU...as soon as I get more Geritol....

I would have been here sooner but the 4:30 special at the diner gave me heartburn....
in other words...'hardy har har..
lol

It doesn't take a community organizer/constitution lawyer...AHA HA HA...( sorry but I laugh every time I see that.) to see how doing precisely what we have charged...but I always enjoy you guys trying.

#30 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-02-09 09:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

Republicans, no ideas but lots of schemes to try and prevent those with them from succeeding.

#28 | Posted by danni at 2014-02-0

this statement has been proven to be false, untrue, and ridiculous by me here as well as major newspaper OUTLINING the republican ideas on health care and yet you continue this worthless line that's not even true enough to be a talking point....move on...please and use the time to make arguments with even a chance....

#31 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-02-09 09:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

the presidents job is to faithfully execute the laws passed by the people's reps in congress, NOT alter and change them as those changes help his parties run at the next election. YES, party over country at a level not seen before even from this crowd in DC.

#32 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-02-09 09:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

"this statement has been proven to be false, untrue, and ridiculous by me here as well as major newspaper OUTLINING the republican ideas on health care"

I told you one of the biggest jokes about the Republican HEalthcare Plan on the day it was announced, it would immediately make health insurance unaffordable for millions of people between 50 and 65, bankrupting any who got any type of serious illness. The GOP has no real healthcare plan, they have a joke announced just to try to convince voters they aren't completely without a single idea about anything.

#33 | Posted by danni at 2014-02-09 09:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

now you're just being silly..

the GOP expressed it's ideas during the hearings broadcast on cspan when they had an idea on EACH AND EVERY democrat idea that we see continues to lose jobs and insurance plans and doctors..EACH ONE voted down on straight party lines...so to say the gop has no ideas is a fabrication from the left and repeated falsehoods from people repeating them.
it was even in the WAPO or the TIMES...who listed each of the gop ideas.

and how do you think car insurance and laser insurance on your eyes are so inexpensive....you can get it BEYOND STATE LINES and get the best deal a GOP plan for health care..so there's one example where you're wrong....PROVEN by facts, not conjecture.

and now...it's BACK to watching THE BEATLES....

#34 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-02-09 09:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

GOP idea, let whichever state has the lowest level of requirements for insurance companies to offer coverage and let everyone in every state have access to pretend insurance.
It's a great idea until someone gets sick, then it's not so great.
I'll choose to keep Obamacare which forces insurance companies to offer real coverage.

#35 | Posted by danni at 2014-02-09 09:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

"and now...it's BACK to watching THE BEATLES...."

With the Sochi Olympics on???? I loved the BEatles but they are so yesterday, Sochi is today! I'm watching as much as I can, it's fantastic!

#36 | Posted by danni at 2014-02-09 09:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Thread's dead." = "La la la la la la la ... I can't hear you ... la la la la la la ...."

#37 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-02-09 09:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

oh yeah....hey hey......hey jude.....

but they kept showing YOKO ONO...and she's UGLY AND she broke them up..why show her..

#38 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-02-09 11:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

Republicans, no ideas but lots of schemes to try and prevent those with them from succeeding.
#28 | Posted by danni at 2014-02-0
this statement has been proven to be false, untrue, and ridiculous by me here as well as major newspaper OUTLINING the republican ideas on health care and yet you continue this worthless line that's not even true enough to be a talking point....move on...please and use the time to make arguments with even a chance....

#31 | POSTED BY AFKABL2

This is correct, how can the Democrats keep saying that the ACA is a success? It's the very example of what we should have NOT done. This is a good idea? Are you kidding me?

The only, and I mean, THE ONLY thing that the ACA has accomplished was to provide healthcare for those who couldn't get it beause of pre-existing. THE REPUBLICANS HAD THIS SOLVED FOR FAR LESS!!!!

It's ok. This thing will go away in a few years. What a disaster.

#39 | Posted by LastAmerican at 2014-02-10 10:05 AM | Reply | Flag:

Executive orders can be made to help facilitate a duly passed law or they can be made to controvert a duly passed law. Measuring quantity of executive orders is childish.

#40 | Posted by Huguenot at 2014-02-10 10:36 AM | Reply | Flag:

Shrub....hehehehe.....remember that guy.....worst president ever....

This the new GOP/FAUX news talking point, Obama is lawless eh?

That's rich.
Good thing most of the nation knows the truth.

#41 | Posted by drewl at 2014-02-10 11:50 AM | Reply | Flag:

THE REPUBLICANS HAD THIS SOLVED FOR FAR LESS!!!!
It's ok. This thing will go away in a few years. What a disaster.

#39 | POSTED BY LASTAMERICAN AT 2014-02-10 10:05 AM | REPLY | FLAG:MISSING THE OBVIOUS...AGAIN

Yeah that is why they implemented way back in the 90's when they were yammering about it... oh... wait... they forgot. Stop being stupid.. if you can.

#42 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2014-02-10 04:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

Why does Obama keep repealing Obamacare?

#43 | Posted by Huguenot at 2014-02-10 05:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I can do whatever I want"
~Obama

What a slap in the face for Charles Blow. :(

#44 | Posted by Huguenot at 2014-02-10 06:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

AND ONCE AGAIN this lawless president IGNORES HIS OWN LAW and yet you people continue to DESPERATELY try and get us to look the other way......

www.washingtonpost.com

#45 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-02-10 09:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

Shrub did rewrite or reinterpret the Law for their own convenience.

what unable then asks where did '"W" unilaterally changed laws passed by congress'? Not exactly the same issue but;

Shrub invaded Iraq illegally. Shrub used Bybee & Yoo to rationalize the use of torture, unnecessarily because it never yielded any useful intelligence. The Shrub team rigged the election in Florida and Ohio, caging voters, maldistributing voting machines, and paying Yang Enterprizes to rig the vote count in southern Florida. None of which was enough, so SCOTUS intervened with specious arguments about stopping a legitimate recount in order to preserve the illusion of legitimscy to the outside world. all of which pales in comparison to his daddy trading missiles for delayed release of US hostages in Iran in order to beat Carter. Then trading machine guns to murder priests, nuns and other human rights workers for cocaine leading to a crack cocaine epidemic. All for a war declared illegal by Congress.

Most amazingly nobody cares. There is no outrage, only fear.

#46 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-02-10 11:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

Shrub invaded Iraq illegally

Congress passed a resolution authorizing the use of force.

As for the rest of your post....Good Lord, where do you come up with this stuff?

#47 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-02-11 12:01 AM | Reply | Flag:

Sorry sniper but the GOP is the one always trying to give corporations tax breaks.

#48 | Posted by Tor at 2014-02-11 12:06 AM | Reply | Flag:

It's amazing how hard FreedomWorks is dry ------- this lie.

#49 | Posted by Tor at 2014-02-11 12:10 AM | Reply | Flag:

#49 what lie?

#50 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-02-11 12:16 AM | Reply | Flag:

Charles Blow doesn't even address what Obama's critics and the GOP are citing as lawlessness.

He goes into some rant about EO's when Executive Orders are not the issue.

#51 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-02-11 12:24 AM | Reply | Flag:

Unrelated - I just saw a video clip of Obama saying "I can do whatever I want."

I know that some of the Obama critics are going to make a huge deal out of the comment and they will be stupid for doing so IMO. He was making a joke with a foreign head of state. In context the comment is innocuous.

#52 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-02-11 12:33 AM | Reply | Flag:

'I just saw a video clip of Obama saying "I can do whatever I want."'

Yeah like that's not taken out of context.

#53 | Posted by Tor at 2014-02-11 12:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

'I just saw a video clip of Obama saying "I can do whatever I want."'
Yeah like that's not taken out of context.

#53 | POSTED BY TOR

Which was my whole damn point.

Did you not read #52 in its entirety?

It's only a couple of sentences.

#54 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-02-11 01:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

Here, let me help you:

In context the comment is innocuous.

#52 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

#55 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-02-11 01:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

Son of a....

My bad JEFFJ.

I misread you.

#56 | Posted by Tor at 2014-02-11 01:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

No problem. It happens.

#57 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-02-11 01:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

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