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Friday, February 07, 2014

The 17-month-old daughter of a North Carolina parenting columnist is expected to recover after her 3-year-old brother shot her with his father's gun. Justin Carper, who writes an unpaid parenting column for the Shelby Star, said that he never imagined that his son could have climbed on a stool and and then taken the gun from a "secret compartment" on top of his dresser. "My mind is pretty much blown," Carper said.

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In his most recent column, Carper writes, "Many people spend a lifetime in search of something more than what is right in front of them. Your spouse. Your children. Friendships."

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Darwin swing and a miss.

#1 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-02-07 10:04 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

Our Republican legislators, with their NRA granted "wisdom," think that a Doctor asking about guns in a house with children should be illegal. Florida's still fighting against the Doctors in "Docs vs. Glocks."

#2 | Posted by YAV at 2014-02-07 10:43 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

The young lad should have been taught proper use and respect for weapons. Fire Arms Handling for Toddlers sounds like the kind of pop-up book that is sorely needed.

#3 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2014-02-08 12:20 AM | Reply | Flag:

If only the little girl had a gun to defend herself. The only defense for a toddler with a gun is an infant with a gun. Another pro-gun conservative fail. Maybe we need armed guards in every home.

#4 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2014-02-08 11:38 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

Another pro-gun conservative fail.

People who leave firearms where children can find them are neither pro-gun nor conservative. They're just stupid. Find another straw man.

#5 | Posted by Zatoichi at 2014-02-08 12:12 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

People who leave firearms where children can find them

#5 | Posted by Zatoichi at

The kids always know where the guns are. Always.

#6 | Posted by Zed at 2014-02-08 12:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

Thats why you teach children gun safety because if you dont this will happen

#7 | Posted by tmaster at 2014-02-08 01:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

Thats why you teach children gun safety because if you dont this will happen

"Teach" doesn't equate to "Learned" or a child "doing." What do you expect to "teach" a 3 year old that would have helped in this situation?

As if adults always act responsibly. This case in point: this adult parental advice "columnist" should have kept the gun locked up.

#8 | Posted by YAV at 2014-02-08 02:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

You can't teach a three year old anything, you as a parent have to TAKE CARE of your children by being responsible, locking up your gun, using a child safety lock, making sure your child will NEVER get his/her hands on it. It is very fortunate that this little girl did not die!

Zat you have Pro-Gun confused with Pro-Gun Safety. There are LOTS of irresponsible PRO-GUN, Pro NRA people out there. I meet them all the time when I take burglary reports at their homes. They've had their guns stolen from the bedside table, the top shelf of the closet, under the bed, the dresser drawer, etc. They don't lock up their guns, because they want them available in their bedside table for that one in ten million chance that they'll be the victim of a home invasion robbery (the majority of which appear to actually be drug rips, so if you're not selling drugs you probably have a better chance of being hit by lightening). So instead, they will risk the health and welfare of their children who are much more likely to harm themselves or others when they find that hidden gun. They risk the lives and safety of their family members and others when they get into a domestic dispute, or when they mistake a family member coming home late for a burglar, or they have a mentally disturbed family member who decides that today is the day that they become the next Harris or Klebold, or Lanza.

I've not read the sort of fantastic parenting advice this "father" writes, but based on the description in the story, he's a Christian conservative, pro-NRA (probably an NRA life member), gun nut. Obviously, pro-gun, not pro-gun safety.

The pro-gun safety folks would like universal background checks (to keep guns out of the hands of people who should not have them), greater use of child safety locks (you know to keep children SAFE), use of gun safes (you know to keep guns from falling into then hands of criminals when your house gets burglarized), limited size for magazines, etc. We know we can't eliminate guns, but we can certainly make owning guns safer, and make life safer for those who would rather not own guns. Oh, and full disclosure, I own three guns, and I'm looking to buy a fourth this year. Will never be an NRA member, and I'm pro-gun safety!

#9 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2014-02-08 08:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

Uh...what very small child can load a 45 clip and/or chamber a round? Don't have a revolver.

#10 | Posted by Greatamerican at 2014-02-08 11:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

Obviously, pro-gun, not pro-gun safety.

I am pro-gun and pro-gun safety. You mention a few effective pro-gun safety measures, yet seem to conflate that issue with pro-gun. One has to do with the Second Amendment the other with responsibility, constraint on the former is limited, constraint on latter unlimited.

What suggestions do you have, from your experience, that can accommodate the two? Trigger locks and safes nullify a component of pro-gun, the in-home constitutional right to a handgun ready for defense.

#12 | Posted by et_al at 2014-02-09 01:53 AM | Reply | Flag:

. , constraint on the former is limited, constraint on latter unlimited.

#13 | Posted by et_al at 2014-02-09 02:03 AM | Reply | Flag:

Meanwhile:
U.S. Postal Service Announces Giant Ammo Purchase

Post Office joins other federal agencies stockpiling over two billion rounds of ammo.

#14 | Posted by Greatamerican at 2014-02-09 05:17 AM | Reply | Flag:

Greatamerican, you need to stop with the Alex Jones, World Nut Daily, Glenn Beck conspiracy theories. Here's the wording of request: "The United States Postal Service intends to solicit proposals for assorted small arms ammunition. If your organization wishes to participate, you must pre-register at https:// uspsesourcing.emptoris.com, the Postal Service's eSourcing tool."

What Beck and Jones and WND failed to mention is this: "So the Postal Service has most likely been purchasing "assorted small arms ammunition" for over 200 years. The department has over 1,000 armed agents. Fourteen USPIS agents have been killed in the line of duty gunssavelives.net"

So they're not "stockpiling" anything. Their 1000 agents have to qualify at least twice a year, so that's at least 100,000 rounds just for qualifications. Not to mention that they also provide ammo for training, etc. New agents shoot hundreds of rounds at their academy. There is no story here, no conspiracy, just an agency calling for bids to get the best price for your tax dollars.

Now, you might wonder what kind of cases these agents work. They work any case that has a postal nexus, so ID Theft that comes from mail theft, simple mail theft, child porn, drugs, and a variety of other types of cases. As suggested by the above statistic of 14 or their agents being killed in the line of duty, they work dangerous cases, and need to be armed!

Jeebus, you righties are gullible. Did Alex Jones ask you for some money after he told you this fairy tale? I did a Google search, and had to laugh at all the RW blogs, each adding their own idiotic speculation to this easily explained non-story.

#15 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2014-02-09 05:56 AM | Reply | Flag:

ET_AL, the paranoia on the right is fascinating. Unless you're a drug dealer, or have had negative dealings with dangerous people you don't NEED a handgun ready for defense, either in your home, in your car or on your person.

I think having a handgun handy only increases your paranoia. I point to the recent murder in the movie theater, or the murder of the young black girl who knocked on a door asking for help after a car accident in the middle of the night, or the murder of the lost dementia patient who wandered into some paranoid gun owners backyard. Or the murder of Trevon Martin. In every case, an innocent person was murdered by a paranoid ----- (responsible gun owner).

You ask for answers? The answer is already happening. The percentage of American homes with a gun in them is dropping. People are taking notice of the statistics that show that if you have a gun in your house, you are far more likely to die by gunfire than people who don't have a gun in their house. If some really bad guy who intends to do you harm breaks into your house, and you meet him with your gun, he's going to take your gun away from you, and stick it where the sun don't shine.

#16 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2014-02-09 06:31 AM | Reply | Flag:

...you don't NEED a handgun...

Thanks, for nothing.

#17 | Posted by et_al at 2014-02-09 07:27 AM | Reply | Flag:

GUNSLINGER

I don't disagree with anything you said but, to be fair, you should also cite the many cases where having a gun came in quite handy. I can't quote individual cases because I don't keep track but I do recall a specific case where a woman, alone in her home because her husband was out of town, barricaded herself and her two children in a bedroom closet with her husband's gun from the nightstand.

Long story short, the intruder found her and she shot him dead when he opened the door.

Cases like this are not exceptions to the rule. I'm just saying that all cases of guns for self-protection shouldn't be lumped together with the crazies. Of course, it goes without saying that gun ownership should require proper training, etc., but having been a victim myself at one time, I was damn happy to have that gun in my hand that night when a stalker decided to enter my house.

#18 | Posted by Twinpac at 2014-02-09 07:33 AM | Reply | Flag:

ET_AL, if you don't NEED to have a gun in your house, why would you CHOOSE to have such a deadly tool that statistics show places your family at greater risk? It's like CHOOSING to have asbestos insulation because it is more fire retardant, even though it makes you far more likely to die from cancer. Is the small chance of a house fire, worth the far greater chance of getting cancer? If you enjoy target shooting, or use it when hiking in case you are confronted by a bear or cougar, I have no issue with that, then lock it up.

Twinpac, I'm not saying that there are no stories of people who have used a gun to defend themselves. In many of those cases, a locked door, a better lock, light, a baseball bat, pepper spray, would have been just as effective. The woman you site was lucky that she was willing to pull the trigger as the gun. If this woman had not been ready to kill, then she and her children would have likely died from her husband's gun. I've read many of the first person accounts provided by the NRA of people who "saved" themselves and others through the use of a gun. In many of those cases they waived a gun around, and people ran away. Well, have you ever thought that the gun was likely unnecessary, as the author was ascribing motives to the other people that may not have been there. Or these authors put themselves in a vulnerable position because they had the false sense of security that a gun gives them. In other cases less lethal approaches such as pepper spray could have been employed with equally good results. The presence of a gun is more likely to escalate an argument or a road rage situation. There are far more examples, like the one from the news story that spawned this thread, of a tragedy coming from the use of a gun than there are actual stories of people saving themselves with a gun.

In the end, the number of those who "saved" themselves or family members is insignificant when compared to the statistic of how much greater danger you place your family in by having a gun in the house.

#19 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2014-02-09 08:42 AM | Reply | Flag:

GUNSLINGER

I do not doubt any of your statistics. I can only speak from my own experiences. As for being willing to "pull the trigger," you are correct. Too many gun owners are not adequately trained. I never entertained the idea of false security when I purchased my gun. I was very much aware of the responsibility I assumed in doing so. I was also a member of our local gun club . . . not because I had some macho female image of myself but rather because I knew the pitfalls others experienced for lack of training, i.e. the willingness to pull the trigger ~ so to speak.

I'm not a gun owner at the present time. A long talk with MATSOP on this site convinced me that I should have the gun field stripped and turned in to the police. I don't miss having it and I probably won't have another one. But that's not a definite.

Every case (there have been three) where I saved my own life or prevented an assault on my person, means much more to me than an accumulation of numbers. Plus, I would never want to put myself close enough to an assailant to use a baseball bat or pepper spray. Those things are not as effective as staring at the business end of a gun.

I'm not trying to argue with you. You make good valid points. It's just that I'm not willing to be anybody's victim because of statistics.

As my dear ol' grandpappy (an avid collector) used to preach ~ don't pick it up unless you're ready to use it. Words to live by ~ literally.

#20 | Posted by Twinpac at 2014-02-09 09:26 AM | Reply | Flag:

In the end, the number of those who "saved" themselves or family members is insignificant when compared to the statistic of how much greater danger you place your family in by having a gun in the house.

liar

#21 | Posted by Zatoichi at 2014-02-09 11:40 AM | Reply | Flag:

Move to Juarez.
Guns are illegal there.
You'll feel much safer.
I'll stay on the north side of the river, thank you very much.

What an idiot.

#22 | Posted by Zatoichi at 2014-02-09 11:41 AM | Reply | Flag:

Out here in the sticks, it's more likely a rattlesnake or a feral hog, but an alligator?

When Alan Abele, 68, crept outside to investigate the thumping sounds at his back door around 4 a.m., he found an unexpected trespasser. After quickly grabbing a flashlight and his .357 magnum pistol, Abele opened the door to his back porch and was met with an angry 200-lb., 6-ft. alligator. The animal sprang toward Abele. He said, "I was crouched down and looking around when he hit me hard enough to knock me into a planter. The next thing I knew he's coming at me with his jaws open. …" Abele pulled the trigger just in time as the alligator was just inches away. Abele said he regrets having to kill the alligator, but was glad he had his gun with him. Abele suffered only a minor bruise during the attack. (Tampa Bay Times, Dunnellon, Fla., 10/24/13)

#23 | Posted by Zatoichi at 2014-02-09 11:48 AM | Reply | Flag:

Greatamerican, you need to stop with the Alex Jones, World Nut Daily, Glenn Beck conspiracy theories.

#15 | Posted by _Gunslinger_

Where is all the ammo going _gu? The non military feds are going thru a lot more ammo than the military is. Explain that one to me.

#24 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-02-09 11:54 AM | Reply | Flag:

If you enjoy target shooting, or use it when hiking in case you are confronted by a bear or cougar, I have no issue with that, then lock it up.

Your solution is to nullify the in-home constitutional right to a handgun ready for defense. As I said, thanks, for nothing.

#25 | Posted by et_al at 2014-02-09 03:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

then lock it up, keep it within reach or wear it.

FTFY

People who leave firearms where children can get access to them are idiots.

#26 | Posted by Zatoichi at 2014-02-09 03:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yet another "So? What?" Thread on the Retort.

It was an accident, folks. Move along, nothing to see here.

#27 | Posted by LastAmerican at 2014-02-09 06:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

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