Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Thursday, February 06, 2014

Brad Friedman, Salon: We've long argued that the Republican Party is no longer a legitimate governing party. Never mind whether we agree with them on any particular policy issue, they are simply no longer a serious organization. That fact was underscored again this week and over the weekend, in light of the release of two different official reports, one from the U.S. State Department on the proposed Keystone XL Pipeline project and another from the Congressional Budget Office on the economic outlook in light of the Affordable Care Act. Never mind whether you agree with the Republican position on either of those two policies. The fact that the party feels it necessary to blatantly lie about what's in each of those reports, specifically with regard to "job creation," in order to advocate for their own policy positions, underscores yet again that these are simply not serious people are worth being taken seriously anymore.

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The Republican Party has given up on advocating seriously for whatever policy positions they believe in. They are far past that, and have now simply taken to lying in hopes of scamming Americans into voting for them and buying into their policies.

That is not the earmark of a serious policymaking organization, and it is for that reason that we -- sadly -- no longer regard the Republican Party as a legitimate political body.

That's not good for America or for Democrats, for that matter. But it just happens to be the sad truth.

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"Keystone XL Jobs Lie"

Yep. Obama corrected that number stating a mere 20 jobs.

#1 | Posted by KBM at 2014-02-06 12:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

I am too young to remember the last time they had any credibility.

#2 | Posted by 726 at 2014-02-06 12:29 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 4

RIP Republican Credibility

How old is this article? Republicans haven't had credibility in over a decade.

You can thank the BushJr administration and the Tea Party for that.

#3 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-02-06 07:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

A couple of months ago Jon Stewart described John Bohner as Seinfeld "if he had to deal with hundreds of kramers".

#4 | Posted by Tor at 2014-02-06 07:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

The Romney-Ryan Campaign of 2012 marked the ascendency of reality-free politics. Their willingness to outright lie -- and repeat the lies after they've been called out -- is a game-changer. Not that others didn't lie in the past, such as Al Gore's line about his mother-in-laws medication costs. But none before have lied so diligently and with such tenacity.

The GOP forumla is simple: Credibility is not a necessary ingredient to win elections.

#5 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-02-06 08:00 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

I am too young to remember the last time they had any credibility.

Me too, and I'm almost as old as aflac.

#6 | Posted by northguy3 at 2014-02-06 09:01 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 2

"Credibility is not a necessary"

Like how they attacked Kerry for his having served in Vietnam?

#7 | Posted by Tor at 2014-02-06 09:01 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

If you have enough money you can sell almost any candidate because so many of our citizens don't have a clue about anything.

#8 | Posted by danni at 2014-02-06 09:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

Left wingers you seem to forget we have a president that would lie if it was easier to tell the truth, that never knows what is going on (he always sees it on TV like us), and if anything does go wrong it is ALWAYS somebody elses fault. Why did he get elected? Daffy Duck could do as good of a job.

Lets look at a few whoppers by the president, "If you like your healthcare you can keep it...period" or "my plan will save the average family $2500 in healthcare premiums" how about "you can keep you doctor under my plan" or "the passage of the stimulus bill will allow us to put the money into shovel ready jobs" (than months later he said and I quote, "seems those jobs were not shovel ready" and then he laughed. " the attack on our embassy was the result of an offensive video" Now if I take some time I can easily come up with 50 more.

And you clowns want to talk about the republicans? Get real. If you want to go further we can go to Pelosi and Reid quotes for another treasure trove, and the idiot that wrote the article wants to tell us the republicans are the big liars? Sure does not appear that way, although they are not perfect either.

#9 | Posted by gtjr at 2014-02-06 09:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

#5

Snoofy

You have the wrong party, just look at the last election.

#10 | Posted by gtjr at 2014-02-06 09:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

ha ha ha..another funny story.....

in the old days this sort of malarky wouldn't start until about a year before elections...not it's starting before an off year election because dems remember what happened in 2010 regardless of how they've tried to alter history.....

ah yes...when there's no specific candidate to lie about, you make up stuff like this and attempt to discredit the entire party by talking about their imminent demise...

it's an old and boring story BUT it's also a story that can come true as long as cowards like boehner are running the party.

#11 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-02-06 09:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

#7

Tor

I have never seen anyone in the military openly attack one of their own like Kerry's team did. Now we do not have the ability to go back and see what happened, but because of their coming out about Kerry's lack of leadership, and his lying testimony on capital hill it sure sounds like it was legitimate.

If this was the norm it would not have meant anything, but because it is so unheard of you have to believe there was some substance. Quite frankly Kerry is an rich elitist pig so I had no use for him anyway.

#12 | Posted by gtjr at 2014-02-06 09:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

The sad part about it is that it works for them. Just look at some of the trolls you'll see here. If all you hear is Faux News you'll believe that XL will create 100,000 jobs.

#13 | Posted by SomebodyElse at 2014-02-06 09:44 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

"Last Friday, I reported on All Things Considered about a new ad that attacks Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry's record as a naval officer in small-boat combat. The ad was sponsored by a group of Vietnam veterans.

It took all of four minutes after the piece aired for the first e-mail to arrive, challenging my story's accuracy.

I had said that all but one of the surviving sailors who served on Kerry's boats was now a supporter. The e-mail writer said I was wrong, that they all do: "Why did you not tell the whole story? Every member of Kerry's crew supports him. The one that doesn't is dead!… Do you have a hidden agenda? If not, it is just sloppy. Tighten up!"

It's easy to see why someone might have hit the roof and then hit the "send" button last week. After a Democratic National Convention that stressed Kerry's image as a war hero, it was a sharp slap to hear from the group that calls itself "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth."

This conservative political group put up a TV ad in three key states that essentially calls Kerry's war record a fraud."

www.npr.org

#14 | Posted by danni at 2014-02-06 09:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

Swift Boat Veterans for Truth

aka: paid Swift Boat Liars. They weren't even there. They are still disgusting liars.

#15 | Posted by danni at 2014-02-06 09:58 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 4

The XL pipeline will create the 100,000 jobs. Do you think someone waves a majic wand and the pipes appear and bury themselves in the ground? A business needs to produce the pipes, another business needs to build the sensing devices for any possible leaks, Someobdy needs to do the construction, yes it is a huge undertaking. If you look at the scope of the project it is that big. The oil goes to the gulf and if I understnd it correctly, some will be refined and some will be shipped out. I would much rather buy oil from Canada rather than some terrorist in the Middle East.

As far as safety we already have over 200,000 miles of pipelines in the country with minimal issues, and any leaks are much easier to deal with than ocean drilling. It is a no brainer, unless of course, you are Obummer.

#16 | Posted by gtjr at 2014-02-06 10:03 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

#14

You were there Danni? I was not so I cannot vouch for it being totally true. I am just saying I really have never seen military turn on their leader like the swift boat guys.

By the way since when do you support a rich elitist that tried to avoid paying millions in taxes in his own state by docking his 73 million dollar yatch in RI rather than MA? Then when the uproar hit from an article he moved it to MA and paid the tax. I thought those rich people are evil and take form the poor to enrich themselves. Of course Kerry came by it honestly by doing his fellow senate collegue's wife after he died. What a class act...........yeah right.

#17 | Posted by gtjr at 2014-02-06 10:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

@ GTJR

The Navy investigated Kerry in 2004 and the results came sadly after he lost the election.

Kerry deserved every metal he got and deserved his honorable discharge.

#18 | Posted by Tor at 2014-02-06 10:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

Sorry by swift boat guys I meant his crew, just to clarify. If they all supported Kerry it is strange they did not say anything to make it known that they did not agree during his campaign, seems sort of odd.

#19 | Posted by gtjr at 2014-02-06 10:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

"You were there Danni? I was not so I cannot vouch for it being totally true. I am just saying I really have never seen military turn on their leader like the swift boat guys. "

They stood on the stage in support of him though your distorted memory of history is probably unaware of that.

"The XL pipeline will create the 100,000 jobs."

This has been debunked by many different groups, no where near that number of jobs would be created and then after it is built it is estimated that 35 jobs would remain. 35 jobs to risk the water supply for one third of the nation? With no real benefit for America? And why do they want to do it here in the U.S., Because Canadians won't allow it to be built across their territories. They want us to take the ecological risk but let them keep the profits. BAd deal, stupid deal

#20 | Posted by danni at 2014-02-06 10:19 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

Obama's credibility is a little lower than GOP. I'm sure SALON's credibility is a tad lower than Obama's. Plenty RIPs.

#21 | Posted by takitez at 2014-02-06 10:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

GTJR

Check your sources for updates.

And no a hit piece book doesn't count for jack.

#22 | Posted by Tor at 2014-02-06 10:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

"You were there Danni? I was not" so I will STFU, the people I posted about were there. They were the crew members of his boat. Yes. that means that their view completely destroys yours because you have nothing except the statements of PAID Kerry haters. And yes, they were PAID to say the things they said about him even though they were never in a position to actually see what happened. But you accept their lies because if fits your political agenda, only problem is it makes you look like an idiot.

#23 | Posted by danni at 2014-02-06 10:23 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

"Obama's credibility is a little lower than GOP"

NOt in any poll I have ever seen. Congressional Republicans are actually at an all time low for any party or President.

#24 | Posted by danni at 2014-02-06 10:32 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

With a solid 25% loyalty, caging voters in every Rethug controlled State, phoney felon lists, diebold rigged voting machines, jamming elderly telephone voter ride lines, jamming illegal ballot destruction, and the lies, the endless unabashed lying you cannot count the Rethugs out. Geobbels would be so proud of the Rethugs. Obama hasn't helped either by pursuing Rethug policies there has been no change, no recovery, just falling deficits and rising poverty. This gives Rethugs another opportunity, as long as there are fools that believe their lies.

#25 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-02-06 10:37 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

I am too young to remember the last time they had any credibility.

#2 | POSTED BY 726

About 1960, as I recall.

#26 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2014-02-06 10:39 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

Obama's credibility is a little lower than GOP. I'm sure SALON's credibility is a tad lower than Obama's. Plenty RIPs.

#21 | POSTED BY TAKITEZ

And your credibility is lower still.

#27 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2014-02-06 10:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

Obama's credibility is a little lower than GOP. I'm sure SALON's credibility is a tad lower than Obama's. Plenty RIPs.
#21 | POSTED BY TAKITEZ

And your credibility is lower still.
#27 | POSTED BY WHODAMAN

You're saying MakeitSleazy had credibility to begin with?

#28 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-02-06 10:46 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Well, when you put it that way...

#29 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2014-02-06 10:47 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

"About 1960, as I recall."

I wasn't a fan of W.'s father but I don't remember him as a scum bucket.

Still I think the crazy branch of the GOP took over the party during Ford's presidency.

And no I don't think Ford was a bad guy or one of them.

#30 | Posted by Tor at 2014-02-06 10:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

I was thinking more about credibility than character. I agree with you about the post-Ford timing on the crazy. Plus you had all the Watergate cover-up people looking to get back in power. And that was when the "Moral Majority" became the right-wing talking point. It's been all downhill from there.

#31 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2014-02-06 11:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

@WHODAMAN

The craziness in the GOP may have started to takeover as early as the RNC of 1964.

"The Republican Party geared its appeal and program to racism, reaction, and extremism. All people of goodwill viewed with alarm and concern the frenzied wedding at the Cow Palace of the KKK with the radical right.

The "best man" at this ceremony was a senator whose voting record, philosophy, and program were anathema to all the hard-won achievements of the past decade.

It was both unfortunate and disastrous that the Republican Party nominated Barry Goldwater as its candidate for President of the United States. In foreign policy Mr. Goldwater advocated a narrow nationalism, a crippling isolationism, and a trigger-happy attitude that could plunge the whole world into the dark abyss of annihilation. On social and economic issues, Mr. Goldwater represented an unrealistic conservatism that was totally out of touch with the realities of the twentieth century. The issue of poverty compelled the attention of all citizens of our country. Senator Goldwater had neither the concern nor the comprehension necessary to grapple with this problem of poverty in the fashion that the historical moment dictated. On the urgent issue of civil rights, Senator Goldwater represented a philosophy that was morally indefensible and socially suicidal. While not himself a racist, Mr. Goldwater articulated a philosophy which gave aid and comfort to the racist. His candidacy and philosophy would serve as an umbrella under which extremists of all stripes would stand. In the light of these facts and because of my love for America, I had no alternative but to urge every Negro and white person of goodwill to vote against Mr. Goldwater and to withdraw support from any Republican candidate that did not publicly disassociate himself from Senator Goldwater and his philosophy.

While I had followed a policy of not endorsing political candidates, I felt that the prospect of Senator Goldwater being President of the United States so threatened the health, morality, and survival of our nation, that I could not in good conscience fail to take a stand against what he represented."

MLK Jr.

#32 | Posted by Tor at 2014-02-07 12:18 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Kerry deserved every metal he got and deserved his honorable discharge.

#18 | Posted by Tor at 2014-02-06 10:17 PM

there was some question about the purple heart but I don't care now...what I care about is his behavior after.....

when it comes to kerry, there is a bottom line. He didn't run a good campaign and at that time there were republicans that weren't cowards ala boehner/mccain ( political coward)....

still wondering what he's going to do IF WMD are found in Syria that have 'bagdad' written on the side....

#33 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-02-07 12:58 AM | Reply | Flag:

and lets look at OBAMA CREDIBILITY....

OBAMA UNILATERALLY CHANGES ANOTHER LAW.........

WHEN will democrats open their biased eyes to what this fraud is doing.....

www.teaparty.org

#34 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-02-07 01:00 AM | Reply | Flag:

Canadians won't allow it to be built across their territories. They want us to take the ecological risk but let them keep the profits. BAd deal, stupid deal

#20 | Posted by danni at 2014-02-06 10:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

Don't worry Danni all those American corporations that are paying Alberta for the right to extract wealth from our provincial resource are making a couple of dollars out of the deal.Your nationalistic bigotry is quite revealing though.How dare us Canadians operate a competing business against the American owned pipelines.As far as Canadians not allowing it on our territory..I think its time you stopped huffing gas and just stick with the weed. It crosses Three Canadian provinces.Alberta,Saskatchewan and Manitoba

#35 | Posted by Scotty at 2014-02-07 02:27 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

#34 | POSTED BY AFKABL2 AT 2014-02-07 01:00 AM | FLAG: WEIRD

You do realize that you are backing up a claim using an obviously biased web site sourcing an op-ed piece with a party whose objective since its inception has been to undo everything Obama?. You know this is the same party that did the happy dance over a government shutdown and inserted a small group of congressmen into the process that spent the past three years trying to rewrite the constitution? That is clear to you right?

This kind of crazy is precisely why the clown party has no credibility. You want everyone to treat your opinions as if they were facts and not just some skewed perspective.

I mean you're the same people telling me all this stuff is happening because of the ACA even before it was enacted. Just the thought of it was destroying every there is.

You need to spend more time looking as your teams behavior over the last 30 years its been really bad. And expensive. The fact that you don;t do that demonstrates why you lack credibility.... well that and the weird conspiracy stuff/

#36 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2014-02-07 02:52 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

"This has been debunked by many different groups, no where near that number of jobs would be created and then after it is built it is estimated that 35 jobs would remain. 35 jobs to risk the water supply for one third of the nation?"

One of the finest examples of 'static analysis' sophisms ever.
Soooo, the pipeline is finished and only 35 jobs are left?
More fuel, cheaper energy and such cause many more jobs, Danni. Try again. That one almost worked until the pot wore off among those who agree with you.

#37 | Posted by Diablo at 2014-02-07 03:10 AM | Reply | Flag:

W's father is the US equivalent of Putin, two of the most dangerous people in the world.

#38 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-02-07 09:18 AM | Reply | Flag:

Salon should be the GOPs biggest donor. Because without the GOP, Salon is out of work. What would they do if they didn't have the GOP to complain about. Sort of like in the early 2000's, when a week couldn't go by where the Economist didn't have some scathing article on Hugo Chavez's latest crappy policy.

#39 | Posted by madbomber at 2014-02-07 09:45 AM | Reply | Flag:

Re#39

What will Fox News talk about once Obama leaves office??

Oh nevermind.

BENGAHZI!!!!

#40 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-02-07 10:00 AM | Reply | Flag:

"What will Fox News talk about once Obama leaves office??"

Simple. They'll gush about how wonderful the new republican president it.

#41 | Posted by madbomber at 2014-02-07 11:59 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Shovel ready jobs"
"Summer of recovery"
"Laser focus on jobs after Labor Day"
"Making or saving jobs"
"4 million new green jobs"
"ACA will cost less than $1T"
"ACA will bend down the cost curve"
"ACA will create 4 million new jobs, 400,000 of them right away."
"If you like your plan you can keep your plan"
"If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor. Period."

-- Daydream Believer

#42 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-02-07 12:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

Canadians won't allow it to be built across their territories. They want us to take the ecological risk but let them keep the profits. BAd deal, stupid deal
#20 | Posted by danni at 2014-02-06 10:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

Don't worry Danni all those American corporations that are paying Alberta for the right to extract wealth from our provincial resource are making a couple of dollars out of the deal.Your nationalistic bigotry is quite revealing though.How dare us Canadians operate a competing business against the American owned pipelines.As far as Canadians not allowing it on our territory..I think its time you stopped huffing gas and just stick with the weed. It crosses Three Canadian provinces.Alberta,Saskatchewan and Manitoba

#35 | POSTED BY SCOTTY

Funny, funny stuff. Danni gets PWN'd on a credibility thread. LOL

#43 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-02-07 12:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

"That means no more illegal wiretapping of American citizens. No more national security letters to spy on citizens who are not suspected of a crime. No more tracking citizens who do nothing more than protest a misguided war. No more ignoring the law when it is inconvenient. That is not who we are."

Candidate Obama, 2007

#44 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-02-07 12:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here.' Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.

"I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America's debt limit."

-- Senator Obama

#45 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-02-07 12:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

Surging 20,000 Marines in Iraq will make the violence worse, not better.

www.youtube.com

#46 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-02-07 12:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

WHEN will democrats open their biased eyes to what this fraud is doing.....

www.teaparty.org

Tea Party.

The whole 'change the system' approach has never worked. It didn't work in France. It didn't work in Russia, etc.

You have to change peoples heads. No one is going to do that by taking things away from them. The only way to change people is to alleviate fear. The Tea Party only enrages people.

#47 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2014-02-07 12:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

Swift Boat Veterans for Truth
aka: paid Swift Boat Liars. They weren't even there. They are still disgusting liars.

#15 | POSTED BY DANNI

Or heroes. Maybe both.

#48 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-02-07 01:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

You need to spend more time looking as your teams behavior over the last 30 years its been really bad. And expensive. The fact that you don;t do that demonstrates why you lack credibility.... well that and the weird conspiracy stuff/

#36 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2014-0

[...] there is absolutely no doubt this president is engaging in a lawlessness that we haven't seen for some time. There are THREE reasons why he hasn't been in an impeachment process already...

he's the first black president
he's a democrat
and, the CURRENT gop leadership are cowards.

#49 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-02-07 01:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

and surely none of you think that threads like this are going to deflect our attention away from 2016??

we will NEVER FORGET !!!

chicksontheright.com

#50 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-02-07 01:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

Well good thing we have a very credible administration - LOL

#51 | Posted by MSgt at 2014-02-07 01:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

I like my health care plan, and I can keep it.

No lie there, but keep trying lying GOP.

Historians will look back at this time in history in shame at the way the GOP and their party have treated this historical president.
Shame......Shame.....

The GOP are soon to be discarded into the dumpster of history for their reckless and dangerous behavior.

Threatening to tank the worlds economy like petulant children.

Shame

Shame.

#52 | Posted by drewl at 2014-02-07 02:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

#35 - then why doesn't Canada move the toxic oil through British Columbia which is next to Alberta where the tar sands are coming from? It is a shorter more direct distance and it stays in Canada.

Let's see how honest you are?

#53 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2014-02-07 02:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

More fuel, cheaper energy and such cause many more

please, let me know fuel prices fall less than 5 cents. $3 per gallon or more fuel is here to stay.

#54 | Posted by cjk85 at 2014-02-07 02:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

either way, there is absolutely no doubt this president is engaging in a lawlessness that we haven't seen for some time.
babbs

talk to your representatives babbs, get the ball rolling!

#55 | Posted by cjk85 at 2014-02-07 02:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

#9 | POSTED BY GTJR
"If you like your healthcare you can keep it...period"
-True statement so long as your insurance company doesn't kill the plan for profit.

"my plan will save the average family $2500 in healthcare premiums"
-True statement.

"you can keep you doctor under my plan"
-Generally a true statement.

"the passage of the stimulus bill will allow us to put the money into shovel ready jobs"
-True statement, many shovel ready jobs.

"the attack on our embassy was the result of an offensive video"
-Turned out to be for the most part a true statement. Shame you haven't read the news lately.

You are a political hack like the rest of the die hard Conservatives on here.

#56 | Posted by Sycophant at 2014-02-07 02:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

Here is what is sad.

I'm someone who wants to move to the right and vote Republican but they have gone bat ---- crazy. There are no near center Republicans.

#57 | Posted by Sycophant at 2014-02-07 03:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

The reason this is a stupid piece is because for anyone paying attention neither the RNC nor the DNC have had any credibility for a long time. Maybe certain individuals within those parties still have some credibility, - but the institutions as a whole. Same with pundits on cable news shows. They have no credibility either. Most times you can guess in advance what the talking points will be.

#58 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-02-07 03:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

#35 - then why doesn't Canada move the toxic oil through British Columbia which is next to Alberta where the tar sands are coming from? It is a shorter more direct distance and it stays in Canada.

Let's see how honest you are?

#53 | Posted by Prolix247

Look at a map.It already does.BTW all oil is toxic.Then again those American owned Tar sands producers will get the oil they produced to market by rail.
www.capp.ca

#59 | Posted by Scotty at 2014-02-07 03:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

Republican Credibility:

Marine Barracks Bombing Beirut

Arms For Hostages

Iran-Contra

The whole Fubar where Iraqi military tried to oust Saddam in the early 90's and Bush 1st Lip Wristly bailed on them

Weapons of Mass Distuction (Iraq)
- a side note any remember when the war started DOD didn't have enough body armor so soldiers family were buying their own ?? We just couldn't wait another 3 or months so we had the right equipment ..

Osama Bin Laden on the loose for years ( Bush the lesser said he didn't care if we ever caught him)

The near default on our Debt because the Tea Party has no real clue.

The constant reality distortion field.
- # Pipeline Jobs ( I have a clue for you nimrods, I worked at oil refinery and for a pipeline company and the state department estimate sound alot closer to reality)

- The CBO report Obama Care Costing 2 million Jobs

- All the lies about death panels .... etc ..

Not that I couldn't list the same or more number of issues for the Democrats .. But lets be honest neither party really knows or cares about America they just want to Pander to their corporate sponsers .

#60 | Posted by ReagansNads at 2014-02-07 06:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

You are a political hack like the rest of the die hard Conservatives on here.

#56 | Posted by Sycophant at 2014-0

never seen one post as blatantly wrong as this one....

when he said over and over again..won't lose your insurance..PERIOD...that means that you won't under any circumstances...you quote that and give us circumstances actually proving the exact opposite of what you were attempting to do...

on each point, you're repeating the lies the dems told to cover the president's lies...

NOW we can add the part that YEAH you could lose your JOB or have you pay cut IN HALF too.... and even this destructive liberal flush is being defended as a 'good thing'...

sometimes, 'you people' amaze even me and I've been exposing democrat lies and fraud since jimmy carter sent us into a 'misery' so deep it had it's own index

#61 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-02-07 08:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

you can keep you doctor under my plan"
-Generally a true statement.

your use of the word 'generally' proves the obama and democrat statement is a lie.

#62 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-02-07 08:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

OOOH WAIT !!!!
I GET IT NOW

what you're talking about is the democrat BASE can keep all that and gets all that 'STUFF".....
it's just the people like me who have to PAY MORE so they can sit at home and do nothing because obamacare has caused them to work 30 hours instead of 60 AND they will ALWAYS vote democrat because they can sit on the couch and still have insurance..

okay I get it now...comrade..

#63 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-02-07 08:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

your use of the word 'generally' proves the obama and democrat statement is a lie.

#62 | POSTED BY AFKABL2 AT 2014-02-07 08:23 PM

OR that there's nothing in life thats 100%.

#64 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-02-07 08:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

OOOH WAIT !!!!
I GET IT NOW
#63 | POSTED BY AFKABL2 AT 2014-02-07 08:26 PM

Do you? I doubt it.

#65 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-02-07 08:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

We did a pipeline from eastern ok up through Kansas... it was like 800 something miles ... this was 92 or 93 we had around 2000 contractors for construction ( welders ... concrete , truck drivers etc) and it ended adding about 15 New jobs. 20 yrs later running a pipeline is a lot less labor intensive than then... The state department estimate is probably a little high.

#66 | Posted by ReagansNads at 2014-02-07 08:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

I believe that the statement below paints an early picture of the storied lack of credibility by this imposter...

"The biggest problems that we're facing
right now have to do with George Bush
trying to bring more and more power into
the executive branch and not go through
Congress at all. And that's what I intend
To reverse when I'm president of the
United States of America."

--- Senator Barack Obama, March 31, 2008

#67 | Posted by drsoul at 2014-02-07 08:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

OR that there's nothing in life thats 100%.

#64 | Posted by ClownShack at

really? this is your defense?

welllll okaaayyyyyyyyy ha ha

on raising taxes he said "NOT ONE DIME" and that promise was broken the first couple of months on tobacco taxes...

here he used the word 'period' and we know exactly what he was saying that NO ONE would lose all of that....

NOW this same report also says that 31 million STILL won't be covered...so what's your defense of that?

#68 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-02-07 09:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

#68 | POSTED BY AFKABL2

Tobacco taxes? WTF does B. Hussein Obama have to do with tobacco taxes? Voters approve tobacco taxes, at least in CA.

Blaming Obama for tobacco taxes is based on what exactly? Correlation?

#69 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-02-07 09:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

and it would be great to be young again...well not just for those reasons...but....

some youngster who gets insurance now can just stop making payments...AND if he gets something bad..all he has to do is get back on during the open enrollment period....

and lest we forget..these are the people who the dems said would pay for the rest....

what a total "mess up"...

#70 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-02-07 09:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

really ??

geesh...obama said no one making less than 250K would have taxes raised..>NOT ONE DIME....

he then raised federal taxes on tobacco...average salary of smokers is around 44K....

hope that explains that obama lie to you...

#71 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-02-07 09:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

oh correlation....the man lies and gets away with it because dems dont care and gop base are cowards.

#72 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-02-07 09:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

NO NO....should have said 'gop LEADERSHIP" are cowards....

#73 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-02-07 09:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

there's nothing in life thats(sic) 100%

The odds are 100% that no one gets out of it alive.

#74 | Posted by Zatoichi at 2014-02-07 09:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

before I go to the bar....you guys are going to have to come to grips with this fact....this 'thing' called obamacare is falling apart..in other words, virtually all of the things we have been predicting and plus some are coming true.

what's good about it all?? a republican senate for one,..

#75 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-02-07 09:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

Friedman: RIP Republican Credibility
POSTED BY LEE_THE_AGENT

This is so stupid.

Using the same logic, the Democrats lost 100% of their credibility with no hope of regaining.

#76 | Posted by LastAmerican at 2014-02-07 09:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

he then raised federal taxes on tobacco...average salary of smokers is around 44K....

Well when you put it that way, thank GOD he did so!

The 2009 Federal Tobacco Tax Increase Succeeded in Generating Revenues and Reducing Tobacco Use www.tobaccofreekids.org

Especially when you consider that:

Total annual public and private health care expenditures caused by smoking: $96 billion:
- Annual Federal and state government smoking-caused Medicaid payments: $30.9 billion
[Federal share: $17.6 billion per year. States' share: $13.3 billion]
- Federal government smoking-caused Medicare expenditures each year: $27.4 billion
- Other federal government tobacco-caused health care costs (e.g. through VA health care): $9.6 billion
• Annual health care expenditures solely from secondhand smoke exposure: $4.98 billion
Productivity losses caused by smoking each year: $97 billion
Annual expenditures through Social Security Survivors Insurance for the more than 300,000 kids who have lost at
least one parent from a smoking-caused death: $2.6 billion
• Taxpayers yearly fed/state tax burden from smoking-caused gov't spending: $70.3 billion ($611 per household)
• Smoking-caused health costs and productivity losses per pack sold in USA (low estimate): $10.47 per pack
• Average retail price per pack in the USA (including sales tax): $6.03
www.tobaccofreekids.org

I get what you're saying; you just used probably the worst example possible. Should have stuck with one of his numerous other lies.

#77 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-02-07 09:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

The odds are 100% that no one gets out of it alive.

#74 | POSTED BY ZATOICHI

Depends on your definition of 'alive': The Singularity is Near

#78 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-02-07 09:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren".

...except productivity has never been higher, which means fewer people can support the same number of retired and unemployed. This is something you're not supposed to know, so that all the extra profits derived from these savings can be pocketed by a few and the less fortunate thrown to the wolves.

#79 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-02-07 10:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

Left wingers you seem to forget we have a president that would lie if it was easier to tell the truth, that never knows what is going on (he always sees it on TV like us), and if anything does go wrong it is ALWAYS somebody elses fault. #9 | POSTED BY GTJR AT 2014-02-06 09:31 PM | FLAG: PATHETIC

Yeah okay he's all that stuff you say he is and he still manages to ---- slap the republiclowns like they don;t matter.... and they don't

#80 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2014-02-08 08:17 AM | Reply | Flag:

I get what you're saying; you just used probably the worst example possible. Should have stuck with one of his numerous other lies.

#77 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-02-07 09:16 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag:

uh...er...thanks ???

lol

#81 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-02-08 12:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

#80 | Posted by RightisTrite at 201

as did Bush....as is said often..."the pendulum swings like a pendulum should"...

#82 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-02-08 12:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

Shrub, the incoherent crime family member, would never have served had it not been for interference from SCOTUS, including two of his daddy's appointments. Then in 2004, after all the cheating in Florida, "Ohio's Rethugs destroyed their ballots illegally, preventing a legitimate recount.

To suggest that Shrub was ever legitimately elected is to display ignorance.

#83 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-02-08 03:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

Shrub, the incoherent crime family member, would never have served had it not been for interference from SCOTUS, including two of his daddy's appointments. Then in 2004, after all the cheating in Florida, "Ohio's Rethugs destroyed their ballots illegally, preventing a legitimate recount.

To suggest that Shrub was ever legitimately elected is to display ignorance.

#84 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-02-08 03:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

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