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Conner Mertens, a redshirt freshman kicker at Division III Willamette, came out publicly last week, telling his coach and teammates he's bisexual. "I like dudes. I have a boyfriend," he told his coach. "And next week, I'm going to tell the world." Mertens said he hopes his announcement helps dispel the stereotypes and stigmas associated with gay and bisexual athletes. No college football player at any level has ever come out publicly while still playing, reports OutSports. Teammate Kyle Shaver said Mertens has the support of his team. "As long as you're willing to get on the field and in the weight room and in the film room and give 100%, it doesn't matter to us who you are. Conner's a Bearcat. Whether he's gay, bisexual or straight, he's one of us," he said.

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oops, he has a boyfriend. guess he's not available. here's the thing, two things actually:
1) most people are to some degree bisexual ( which is not to say actively so ).
2) the bisexual community is DESPISED by the gay community in
general ( i've seen this repeatedly in pride parades & in the bars. )
( transsexuals do not fare much better in said community ~ ironic )

#1 | Posted by kenx at 2014-01-30 05:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

he's not available AT THE MOMENT LiH

#2 | Posted by kenx at 2014-01-30 05:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

Ah, smart move as if he is passed over for the NFL he can sue for discrimination...

#6 | Posted by MSgt at 2014-01-30 07:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

"the bisexual community is DESPISED by the gay community in
general"

I think it's a bit much to make such a broad claim.
Every open bisexual I've met has been among gay friends.

#7 | Posted by TheTom at 2014-01-30 08:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

[...] #7 ~ i'm glad the gay people you know are so tolerant.

i am going by pride parades where there is yelling & cheering, then the bi float goes
by & there's dead silence. this drag queen that hosts a strip show always asks who's
gay, straight and bi. dead silence for bi. i always hoot for STRAIGHT, along with a few
girls who've come to see the show.

the drag queen usually asks the new contestants "so, are you gay, bi, straight, a freak or
just stupid?" if they hesitate one second, she says, "stupid." then she asks the crowd
what they think...(oops, she doesn't ask orientation she asks their preferred position.)

#8 | Posted by kenx at 2014-01-30 09:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

#9 ~ LiH ~ well, i think the kid is pretty damn
brave & his facebook tweet thoughtful & kind.

y'know, i don't agree with Boaz on most (!?) issues,
but i like him as i do most of the bozos on this bus.
(afflk must be an acquired taste, with an acidic bouquet)

#11 | Posted by kenx at 2014-01-30 11:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

#9 ~ LiH ~ well, i think the kid is pretty damn
brave & his facebook tweet thoughtful & kind.
y'know, i don't agree with Boaz on most (!?) issues,
but i like him as i do most of the bozos on this bus.
(afflk must be an acquired taste, with an acidic bouquet)

#11 | POSTED BY KENX AT 2014-01-30 11:02 PM | REPLY

There was no insult intended in my post. and I agree the kid is brave.

But it's also becoming more common and more accepted and I would even say expected.

As people realize society accepts them regardless of their sexuality there should be no reason for them to remain in the closet.

Maybe that will help society as a whole. I can see the benefits.

#12 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-01-30 11:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

A kicker.....this is a surprise?

#13 | Posted by Diablo at 2014-01-31 02:36 AM | Reply | Flag:

But it's also becoming more common and more accepted and I would even say expected.

Not in football. He's the first active college football player to come out of the closet:

espn.go.com

Good for him. There are probably over a hundred gay athletes in college football. His courage -- and the outspoken support he's received on his team -- should help them even if they don't follow him out.

#16 | Posted by rcade at 2014-01-31 08:58 AM | Reply | Flag:

Kenx: Please stop putting breaks in your comments in the middle of paragraphs. It's preventing them from flowing all the way to the right margin.

#17 | Posted by rcade at 2014-01-31 08:59 AM | Reply | Flag:

"look at me, look at me, look at me now - f the team!" - Conner Mertens

#18 | Posted by e_pluribus_unum at 2014-01-31 09:19 AM | Reply | Flag:

#12 ~ no offense taken, at all

#3 ~ always loved the Packers, just 'cause ~ & they have my high school's colors

now, when i was watching TV, this must've been '98 or 99, the Buccaneers were all
running around with no jock straps under their stretch uniforms (like most of the Black
track athletes before they reined them in). i kid you not. was kinda interesting after they
got hot & sweaty; nothing left to the imagination. (don't recall them ever winning tho.)

#19 | Posted by kenx at 2014-01-31 09:22 AM | Reply | Flag:

17 ~ ok, but i liked that. no problem though RC

#20 | Posted by kenx at 2014-01-31 09:25 AM | Reply | Flag:

"look at me, look at me, look at me now - f the team!" - Conner Mertens

If your football team could be hurt by a player admitting seven months before the season that he's bisexual, your team was looking for an excuse to be lousy.

#21 | Posted by rcade at 2014-01-31 11:43 AM | Reply | Flag:

i intended to follow~up on a word i used when vocabulary became an issue, and had already obviously crossed the line (but i wasn't going to be cowed into backing down).

i had read Camille Paglia's book, Vamps and Tramps, years ago (her 3rd & she was new to me at the time). it was of course quite controversial, and inflamed feminists more than her first two books had. i recently decided to go back & read those, the first of which is Sexual Personae. i used that title in connection to Elvis days ago (very appropriately, except i didn't recall my high school Latin, which would've informed me -AE is how a word becomes plural). This book is highly academic, and anything but dry. "Chthonian" is her favorite word, which i had to get defined as well as learn how to pronounce. it means spirits of or under the earth, and likewise, she uses "daemonic" quite a bit.

a major issue that must arise from Conner Mertens' coming out (#18 almost goes there, but is about narcissism) is the FEAR heterosexual men have of a gay man in the locker room & shower (homophobia in its most basic form). they fear they will be sexualized necessarily, just as they would sexualize a female member of the team if she showered with them. it is a groundless, irrational fear, and they need to get over themselves. (this issue arose when female reporters forced their way into the locker room, satirized at the time on SNL & later in Sex & the City. not sure, but i think the locker room got divided into naked & non-naked sections to accommodate them.) a gay football player is only doing what his teammates are doing in the shower, getting clean. it is no big deal and no big thrill. (dropping the soap is always a joke.)

This fear is ironic in & of itself, because the football uniform, quite notably sexualizes the male physique--the suit & the affectionate rear-slapping, etc., mentioned a lot--with the tight pants & shoulder pads (broad shoulders a primary indicator of male attractiveness). this fact is verified by example that the more modest quarterbacks (the "star" & for some reason usually the most glamorous & attractive team member) will hang a rag in the front from their waistband. i've wondered if that's to wipe/dry their hands, but have never seen them do that; so have assumed they are uncomfortable about the fact that the uniform reveals too much. it is revealing; and THAT is an unstated attraction to the game for women and straight men alike.

Except when it's too damn cold, as it will be for this Sunday's Superbowl.

#22 | Posted by kenx at 2014-01-31 02:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

If your football team could be hurt by a player admitting seven months before the season that he's bisexual, your team was looking for an excuse to be lousy.

#21 | Posted by rcade at 2014-01-31 11:43 AM | Reply | Flag:

BS - he made it about himself and not the team. NOT a team player. You obviously never played a team sport above tee ball. The idiots who attract attention to themselves have two reasons to do so - to take pressure off the other teammates in the media or because they have an over sized ego that screams I am more important than the rest of you. This kid is the latter - not to mention how much team chemistry it destroyed. So you are wrong in your statement.

#23 | Posted by e_pluribus_unum at 2014-01-31 05:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

Who cares?

#24 | Posted by soheifox at 2014-01-31 06:37 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

#23 ~ all right, but you are assuming, possibly incorrectly, that this has harmed team chemistry. it just might be the kids are ready to move past negative stereotypes, and be part of CREATING a more tolerant society.

your protestations just sound like you're grabbing at straws to maintain a bigoted status quo, or promote a standard perception of the past.

#25 | Posted by kenx at 2014-01-31 07:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

#23 cont. ~ i meant to add that it is possible some of his teammates encouraged him to come out.

#24 ~ "who cares?" ~ well obviously i do in the positive direction, while others do pejoratively, as ONE above.

#26 | Posted by kenx at 2014-01-31 07:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

Why is this story on both pages? Identical threads.

Oh. Wait. I get it.

Clever.

#27 | Posted by TheTom at 2014-01-31 07:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

And no one cares. Besides the bigots and haters.

#28 | Posted by pragmatous at 2014-01-31 08:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

OK, sorry but many males like to xxxx only women and vice versa. Do they go out and tout it everyday as if they are something special? Don't think so.

What's wrong with these idiots who think society cares one iota about their sexual preference? They need to keep it to themselves, and do what turns them on. The views are promoted because its become the new official job of the media, that promotes anything that will divide our society and move votes. It's become the job that the PTB assigned them when they were transferred from the 4th estate to the Dept of Propaganda.

Oh, you want to know what the PTB means? www.forbes.com

#29 | Posted by Robson at 2014-01-31 08:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

#29 ~ Powers That Be? (didn't click on Forbes link) all right, in the first place, i like your posts on the NWO a lot & we see almost eye to eye on that issue. i wrote letter after letter to The Austin Chronicle about NWO, to the frustration of editor (Louis Black) who passionately hates conspiracy theory & who would sabotage my letters with the titles (i got printed a lot or just posted online). He made one personal plea to me that stuck (you know Alex Jones is HQ'd in Austin). that was: [if Jones & his ilk should come to power the gay community will suffer, or even be exterminated]. Jones tries not to appear homophobic, but if gays come up in a rant, they're always conspirators to destroy America & the world & molest children (shades of recent Putin statement). Never mentions gays were a targeted group by Hitler (& many other despotic psychopaths) who suffered greatly & died in the camps.

So i'm left with the knowledge that SHOULD The Resistance make significant headway and ever supplant the NWO, gays MAY have another battle to the death on their hands. Perhaps the former scenario is so unlikely as to render the latter moot.

Gays have been lynched just like Blacks. DNA magazine awhile back published photos of two young teenage males being tried, then hung by their necks in Iran. Gays are not trying to be provocative (yes, sometimes they are) as much as trying to survive.

Conner Mertens is putting another respectable human face on the "gay community" in order to avert persecution & death, so don't delude yourself.

#30 | Posted by kenx at 2014-02-01 12:12 AM | Reply | Flag:

Who cares?

#24 | POSTED BY SOHEIFOX AT 2014-01-31 06:37 PM | FLAG:

Did you have a point? Oh, I see, you "don't care." Yet you care enough to post in this thread. Therefore you do care.

There are dozens of thread on the DR, do you go into all of the ones you "don't care" about and post "who cares"?

Thanks for sharing. I guess you believe the world revolves around you.

#31 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-02-01 12:24 AM | Reply | Flag:

What's wrong with these idiots who think society cares one iota about their sexual preference? They need to keep it to themselves, and do what turns them on. The views are promoted because its become the new official job of the media, that promotes anything that will divide our society and move votes. It's become the job that the PTB assigned them when they were transferred from the 4th estate to the Dept of Propaganda.

Society cares about their sexual preference. That's why and it's being used to divide the country.

GLBT people are drawing attention to themselves to get acknowledgement that they exist so they can gain some protections from the law. Also drawing attention to themselves allows others like them not to feel so alienated.

#32 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-02-01 12:47 AM | Reply | Flag:

#30 Kenx sorry my point was probably not clear. I'll be the first to admit that my statement may not always be as clear to others as it is to me.

My view on sexual preference is that the ultimate societal reaction as to heteros or bi's or gays should be who cares? I don't pay any attention to it which is why I sometimes question why others make it into an issue.

I sometimes think that there are elements in society that use such issues to stir the pot. There are elements that see a united America as more of a threat to the status quo than a divided America.

#33 | Posted by Robson at 2014-02-01 12:57 AM | Reply | Flag:

#27 ~ i have no idea what you're talking about; i'm real "slow" in matters tech.

#34 | Posted by kenx at 2014-02-01 01:16 AM | Reply | Flag:

#33 ~ yes, all societal differences are exploited and groups/ideologies pitted against each other to prevent improvement & progress in politics. Divide And Conquer.

here's the thing. two guys or girls walking down the street holding hands (straight guys do this all the time in Italy and the Mid~East) are lambasted by homophobes as "rubbing it in our faces." They are doing no such thing!

a guy is walking down the street with a certain haircut or style of clothes in NYC or San Francisco, and is beaten to death by a gang of cowardly thugs. how dare he cut his hair or wear clothes in that fashion! those thugs are raised in households where a father may kill his toddler son for exhibiting feminine traits.

Homophobia is learned behavior. It is still important to religious fundamentalists that gays are seen as sub~human* & choosing their orientation rather than born that way. Well, i was born that way & was perceptive enough at about 3 to realize "everybody" (i.e., my church social structure) was faking it, did not have a clue about the human psyche. it literally made me sick, i remember the circumstance clearly, & of course i couldn't articulate it. i asked my father about the sick feeling; he told me it was MY CONSCIENCE BOTHERING ME (you see, he already knew he had a gay son & was typically humiliated).

*groups of people must be portrayed as sub~human in order for genocide to occur.

#35 | Posted by kenx at 2014-02-01 01:55 AM | Reply | Flag:

my dad, i love him so & he is on his deathbed but is of hardy stock: also told me when my mom* was pregnant that he prayed i would be exceptional; early IQ testing had indicated that was the case. He, an educator, did not have the foggiest idea what to do about it. (but gay was universally a severe psychological disorder then, so what WAS to be done?) he made the mistake of putting me in public school a year early, & i turned out to be a late maturer. So starting in the 6th grade (school districts re~drawn & i changed schools) incessant bullying began, which continued thru 11th grade.

(high IQ doesn't make someone any better than anyone else; it might make you worse; the way you treat people determines the quality of person you are. and i'm self~aware enough -- also indicated in repeated psychological testing -- to know i'm not the person i should be.)

*my mom, may she R.I.P., was beautiful, psychic, and histrionic. i took after her.

#36 | Posted by kenx at 2014-02-01 02:22 AM | Reply | Flag:

Sorry to hear about your dad, Kenx. God bless him and you.

"Homophobia is learned behavior"

I disagree.
The only reason to have to enforce behavior laws (in this discussion, hate crime laws regarding gays) is because the reactions are so natural to humans.
What are the first instinctive things you recognize when seeing another person? Gender, race....and whether the guy is draped across the shoulder of another guy? These are basic reactions.
I do not favor gay marriage but totally oppose gay bullying, denial of housing, job discrimination and such.
But how to change basic human reactions is as difficult as enforcing prohibition.

#37 | Posted by Diablo at 2014-02-01 03:48 AM | Reply | Flag:

P.S. Your mom was psychic? All mothers can read a son's mind! Bless their hearts.

#38 | Posted by Diablo at 2014-02-01 03:50 AM | Reply | Flag:

thanks, devil. i went on too long, and turned this thread into the Me Story. Don't know anything about Mr Mertens, just hope he has a great year and stays safe & healthy, maybe marries his boyfriend one day, has kids & the house with...that his dreams come true.

guess you missed the fireworks at the beginning (comments 3-5 deleted). RC was right to do it, of course, they were raunchy & inappropriate. we gays have that effect on people sometimes. and i learned not to break my lines up! live & learn

holding my breath all goes well at the Superbowl & the Winter Games in Russia.

#39 | Posted by kenx at 2014-02-01 06:32 AM | Reply | Flag:

1) most people are to some degree bisexual ( which is not to say actively so ).

True and this is where I think a lot of homophobia comes from. Straight guys get a bit attracted to another dude and they freak out and lash out. Once this happens it carries on through a life of homophobia. If people would learn that sexuality is not so binary then I think we would end a lot of the hangups on it. On the Kinsey scale, yes I know the arguments about the Kinsey scale but for the sake of this discussion it is the most common resources, only 43% of people are either a 0 or 6 the two classifications that are strictly gay or straight. So 57% of people have some degree of bisexuality.

#40 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2014-02-01 10:03 AM | Reply | Flag:

he made it about himself and not the team. NOT a team player.

I think you're trying to hard to find a reason to be upset about this.

Athletes on teams express themselves as individuals all the time. Do you think Tim Tebow hurt the Florida Gators by being such an out evangelical Christian?

This guy could have said nothing to his team and just let them find out through gossip. If he came out to his social circle, it would undoubtedly have gotten back to the team at some point, because no college football player has ever been out as gay or bisexual before. Instead, he faced the issue head on during the offseason. It was the best thing to do unless you think he was obligated to keep his sexuality a secret, and nobody should have to hide that. It's 2014.

#41 | Posted by rcade at 2014-02-01 11:10 AM | Reply | Flag:

Sorry to hear about your dad, Kenx. God bless him and you.
"Homophobia is learned behavior"
I disagree.

The only reason to have to enforce behavior laws (in this discussion, hate crime laws regarding gays) is because the reactions are so natural to humans.
What are the first instinctive things you recognize when seeing another person? Gender, race....and whether the guy is draped across the shoulder of another guy? These are basic reactions.
I do not favor gay marriage but totally oppose gay bullying, denial of housing, job discrimination and such.
But how to change basic human reactions is as difficult as enforcing prohibition.
#37 | Posted by Diablo at 2014-02-01 03:48 AM

Wow, what an assumption going against all of human history. Amazing insight!

These "prohibitions" as you put it are sociologically implanted, almost 100% by religious bigotry, re-enforced with political racism re-inventing the "enemy" into any number of "enemies". A gay is instantly a flaming liberal pinko commie by that logic which has dominated the critical thinking for most Americans for decades. It's not just cultural vandalism (I love that term, wished I had coined it) but abuse of the human race itself.

"Gay" marriage - you are as transparently bigoted by your religious teaching as you are anti-humanitarian by your degree of political leanings.

#42 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2014-02-01 03:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

Do the rules have a penalty for groping?

#43 | Posted by Ray at 2014-02-01 07:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

TAOWARRIOR makes more sense around here than 95% of the other posters, IMHO.

#44 | Posted by danni at 2014-02-01 07:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

I am waiting for the public figure brave enough to call a press conference and declare before God and man he or she is heterosexual. It's about time heterosexuals felt liberated enough to talk freely about our lifestyle.

#45 | Posted by Diablo at 2014-02-02 03:58 AM | Reply | Flag:

#45 | POSTED BY DIABLO

Heterosexuals are stigmatized socially and are in hiding because of it?

#46 | Posted by Lohocla at 2014-02-02 04:18 AM | Reply | Flag:

#40 and #41...very good and to the 'real' point quotes... I do not think this young man, in any degree, was trying to 'hawk headlines', but made a very courageous and compassionate disclosure...compassionate in the sense of the #41 comments and courageous because he must know how the reaction would be from the 'ignorant and intolerant' class of people..
It was a prudent decision and more for his team than most will ever realize or want to accept.

#47 | Posted by drsoul at 2014-02-02 09:43 AM | Reply | Flag:

Kenx,

"Homophobia is learned behavior."

I disagree.

Your opinion is being pushed heavily by some groups but my personal observation is different.

Just watch his "supportive" team mates turn around first if they drop something on the floor and reach to pick it up.

Or see how they avoid being nude around him now.

You guys know what I mean.

Just like homosexuality, homophobia occurs naturally.

Of course, it comes in varying degrees but it is natural all the same.

It's more or less similar to how women feel. I think women grow up with this problem so they become more...ummm...used to men looking at them sexually.

Straight men in a locker room with someone they know for sure is gay changes the dynamics of the room.

You'll never convince me otherwise.

I think feeling uncomfortable around homosexuals is natural and overcoming those feelings is a learned behavior regardless how many studies I read telling me otherwise.

#48 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2014-02-02 10:55 AM | Reply | Flag:

"..you are as transparently bigoted by your religious teaching as you are anti-humanitarian by your degree of political leanings."

Having an opinion different from yours on the matter does not constitute bigotry.
You failed to address my point, however: how does a basic reaction apparently shared by many across the ages get changed? You say it was 'religious bigots' (that term used to mean people bigoted against a religion), but even in so-called tolerant ancient Greece we read snide remarks aimed at Socrates for alleged gay behavior (Symposium).
Human nature can not be legislated.

#49 | Posted by Diablo at 2014-02-02 04:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

Having an opinion different from yours on the matter does not constitute bigotry.

It does when the opinion is bigoted.

#50 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-02-02 04:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

"..you are as transparently bigoted by your religious teaching as you are anti-humanitarian by your degree of political leanings."
Having an opinion different from yours on the matter does not constitute bigotry.
You failed to address my point, however: how does a basic reaction apparently shared by many across the ages get changed? You say it was 'religious bigots' (that term used to mean people bigoted against a religion), but even in so-called tolerant ancient Greece we read snide remarks aimed at Socrates for alleged gay behavior (Symposium).
Human nature can not be legislated.
#49 | Posted by Diablo at 2014-02-02 04:15 PM

Excellent. Imo negative re-enforcement programming of nearly all forms is often begun early and stems directly from religious views of dominion and inequality, "spiritual purity" and "obedience". Modern day Mormonism has even invented a religiously-based explanation for race that involves God punishing all darker-skinned people.

Gay people are disallowed from a majority of popular Christian flavors often based on a misinterpretation of the the destruction of Gomorrah, Admah, Sodom and Zeboim.. Was Bela spared because God turned out to be comfortable with 1/5 of the population of the plains as "hethen"?

#51 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2014-02-02 09:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

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