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A Georgia manufacturer has developed the Radically Invasive Projectile (RIP), a bullet with eight points that expand after firing to penetrate the target's skin and destroy internal organs more effectively. "It is capable of going through barriers such as sheet rock, plywood, sheet metal or glass and still performs its original intent. The bullet shreds through solid objects and only then, expands its energy," the website of manufacturer G2R states. "We wanted to create an effective one-shot manstopper," said Cliff Brown, G2 research president.

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It is also a 1 shot woman or child stopper.

Folks who gravitate to, lust for, and stand in awe of killing machines are a mystery to me.

#1 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2014-01-29 09:20 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

"there were so many stories out there about a woman trying to defend her home and having to shoot someone five or six times and they'd still come after her"

Throwing the BS flag on that one....

#2 | Posted by Sully at 2014-01-29 09:58 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

"there were so many stories out there about a woman trying to defend her home and having to shoot someone five or six times and they'd still come after her"

the name of the intruder in question wasn't michael myers or jason vorhees by any chance?

#3 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-01-29 10:00 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 2

It's great for hunting too as it avoids that terrible nuisance of skinning the hide.

#4 | Posted by CrisisStills at 2014-01-29 10:13 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 2

That'll leave a mark.

#5 | Posted by Daniel at 2014-01-29 10:32 AM | Reply | Flag:

What a perfect way to discourage people from texting before the movie.

#6 | Posted by rcade at 2014-01-29 11:35 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 3

If Georgie had had them, there wouldn't have been enough left of Trayvon for the autopsy.

#7 | Posted by Corky at 2014-01-29 11:40 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Folks who gravitate to, lust for, and stand in awe of killing machines are a mystery to me."

Including suction catheters that are inserted into the skull, and a baby's brains are sucked out during a late term abortion, I'm sure.

#8 | Posted by sames1 at 2014-01-29 11:56 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Throwing the BS flag on that one...."

No it is common knowledge. The 1 shot kill is a Hollywood thing. In fact a single shot it treated is lethal in about 2 percent of cases according to doctors. It's all about placement, there are very few areas of the body that cannot withstand a hole being put through it without it ending in death. Basically heart, brain, both lungs at the same time and spine. Ammo like this is designed to reduce the need for perfect shot placement but this one seems like it would be lees effective then a lot of hollow points as it splinters and the individual pieces would do less then lethal damage similarly to a glasser safety slug. The spreading of the force of the bullet over a larger area reduces penetration and permanent cavitation. Often with smaller or less powerful rounds even a hollow point will return diminished effects over a full metal jacket. There is no replacement for shot placement. While HP or special rounds like this grant a lower need for precision there is still a big chance that a single shot will not take someone down. There are tons of cases where it has taken many many shots to neutralize someone, which is why if you were to go through training you would be told never to fire a single shot. Even cops will tell you to keep pulling the trigger until your attacker is on the ground. It is a safety thing, a shot will piss em off 8 will quiet them.

#9 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-01-29 12:02 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

"there were so many stories out there about a woman trying to defend her home and having to shoot someone five or six times and they'd still come after her"
the name of the intruder in question wasn't michael myers or jason vorhees by any chance?

#3 | POSTED BY NERFHERDER

Tell that to the cop that just got indicted for shooting that guy 10 times.

Usually unless you hit something vital, a 9mm or 40 cal round will just go right through and not do a whole lot of damage. Especially if you're shooting ball rounds.

That said, that looks nasty as hell, even with the bullet overpenetration. Doubt it will be legal for long.

#10 | Posted by Lohocla at 2014-01-29 12:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

"No it is common knowledge. The 1 shot kill is a Hollywood thing. In fact a single shot it treated is lethal in about 2 percent of cases according to doctors."

Sal - I wasn't referring to a person surviving a single bullet wound. I was referring to incidents where some is shot five or six times and keeps coming at the person who is shooting him. It has probably happened but there definitely aren't "so many stories" of this happening. You know damn well that is BS.

#11 | Posted by Sully at 2014-01-29 12:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

You have to start digging to find documented cases of it. 1986 FBI shootout, one guy was hit 5 times, had a collapsed lung, bullet in his chest 1" from his heart, a broken arm, and was still picking off FBI agents with a mini-14 before eventually dying.

#12 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2014-01-29 01:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

After that, the FBI got bigger guns.

#13 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2014-01-29 01:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

" It has probably happened but there definitely aren't "so many stories" of this happening. You know damn well that is BS."

There are a lot. There is a reason why training dictates multiple rounds. I can link story after story and many articles about stopping power. But it may be easier for you to think of it in hunting terms. You have the same options to take down game that you would a person, the same targets. If those are missed you have a running animal that can sometimes take days to track if you ever find it. It is not uncommon to find old bullet holes in the hide of an animal you kill. Why would it be different with a human? But like i said there is no reason to just believe me, the science is clear and readily available to you.

#14 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-01-29 01:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

#14 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-01-29 01:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

You're still only addressing part of the story that I was calling BS.

You're still talking about people or animals who were shot by one bullet. The comment I called BS referred to a minimum of five gunshot wounds.

The other part of the claim is that the person who has been shot multiple times is coming after the shooter instead of running for his life.

I stand by the idea that an intruder being shot five or more times while still coming at the shooter is extremely rare.

I understand that not all gunshot wounds are fatal, that's not the claim I had an issue with.

#15 | Posted by Sully at 2014-01-29 01:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

#15 That's why I prefer the 12-gauge pump with #00 buckshot. Nobody "keeps on coming" after getting one of those center mass.

#16 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-01-29 02:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

"The comment I called BS referred to a minimum of five gunshot wounds."

The amount does not matter. There are, like i said tons of stories i have read from cops and citizens about many shots being needed. Until you hit a vital spot there is nothing aside from possibly shock that will stop someone.

Look here is even video of it happening
www.youtube.com

The military has known this and has dictates what arms are to be used and how based on decades and decades of research. Granted they do not get to use hollow points but the concept is the same.

Here is a brief article that may help you understand. There is a ton more info out there on terminal ballistics.
www.realclearscience.com

As for if they will still attack it is a simple matter of fight or flight. It is a no brainier to see that if someone has the power to kill you at a distance then running is not the best thing to do. If you were faced with a situation where you had the possibility to stop the attack would you or would you hope it ends by itself? On top of that the fight has already been chosen and in fight or flight it is usually the initial decision that dictates the entirety of action, reason is not as available under stressful situations or when so much adrenaline is coursing thorough your veins. It is also well know that a predator often reacts that way making certain animals very dangerous to hunt.

I understand your point, and often times you are correct, the sound, the flash and the knowledge of being hit will often send someone into shock or a defensive position but not always. Drugs often remove that completely and there is no psychological effect of being shot and it is all physical. The physical effects are what i was talking about, physically there is not any reason to stop unless you are actually disabled by the bullet and that takes a well aimed shot as only a very small percentage of the body is susceptible to that.

It may be rare that it happens but not that rare and in the situation where it could occur it is best to error on the safe side.

www.wsbtv.com

According to the FBI
www.firearmstactical.com

#17 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-01-29 02:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

That's why I prefer the 12-gauge pump with #00 buckshot. Nobody "keeps on coming" after getting one of those center mass.

#16 | POSTED BY MUSTANG

A little large, and goes through walls...... No4 Birdshot is recommended.....

But the best is to alternate, but you need to remember the series....

#18 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-01-29 02:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

"As for if they will still attack it is a simple matter of fight or flight. It is a no brainier to see that if someone has the power to kill you at a distance then running is not the best thing to do."

How is that a no brainer? The more distance you put between yourself and a shooter the better the chances that they miss or stop shooting. Charging at someone who has a handgun and has already hit you five times isn't exactly bright. And I know I wouldn't necessarily keep firing at someone who is running away, shooting up my own home in the process.

"If you were faced with a situation where you had the possibility to stop the attack would you or would you hope it ends by itself?"

I'm not arguing agains this product's existence. I'm not arguing against shooting to kill if your life is threatened. I merely observed the claim that there are lots of incidents of home intruders being shot five times and continuing an assult is untrue.


#19 | Posted by sully at 2014-01-29 02:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

#18 If I were back in the 'burbs, I might drop it down, but not to birdshot...that's for birds. As it is, I live in the country. Shot my last 3 deer within 150 feet of the house. Buckshot is of no concern to my neighbors.....

#20 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-01-29 02:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

"The more distance you put between yourself and a shooter the better the chances that they miss or stop shooting."

Which is putting your life in their hands. Attacking would be the only way to possible turn the tables would it not? Besides as i said there is plenty of proof that many animals react in the same manner so if you remove the thought process you still have basic instinct.

"I merely observed the claim that there are lots of incidents of home intruders being shot five times and continuing an assault is untrue."

But see there are a whole lot of them, i have read a ton. Now not all of them continue sometimes after being shot multiple times they run away. Or is the case where cops are involved usually after continuing the attack they are eventually brought down. But as i said it is not as rare as you make it out to be. Somewhere i have stacks of old magazines that have tons of instances where that exact thing occurred. Every few months you hear of another whacked out guy needing a lot of bullets to stop him from attacking some cops. It happens, maybe not frequently but definitely not all that rarely.

#21 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-01-29 02:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

I prefer Glaser Safety Slugs in my handgun, and #4 shot in my Mossberg 500. The late Mel Tappan espoused use for @4 12 ga for mine defense.

#22 | Posted by MSgt at 2014-01-29 02:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

for @4 12 ga = of #4 12 ga

#23 | Posted by MSgt at 2014-01-29 02:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

I had forgotten about this one. 22 rounds 17 in center mass and still was attacking. The officer also suffered many gunshots as well and kept going.

www.lawofficer.com

#24 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-01-29 02:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'm a fan of The Box o'clock Truth website, which does a good job of comparing penetration of various shot loads.

www.theboxotruth.com

#25 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-01-29 02:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Which is putting your life in their hands. Attacking would be the only way to possible turn the tables would it not?"

It also makes it much easier for a person who has already shot you five tims to shoot you again. If you're unarmed and have been shot five times already, you're optimistic about your chances of winning a fight against someone armed with a handgun and the skil to use it?

"But see there are a whole lot of them, i have read a ton."

I've heard about cops shooting someone many times claiming they kept coming. I've never heard of a person shooting an intruder five times and then being harmed by that same intruder. But if you're saying you've read about it many times then I can't really say you're wrong.

#26 | Posted by Sully at 2014-01-29 02:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

The gun lusters come out of the woodwork to discuss how they all use a better gun than the other gun lusters to kill people.

#27 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2014-01-29 03:02 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

My, my...OWS is cranky when he wakes up from his nap.

#28 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-01-29 03:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

"If you're unarmed and have been shot five times already, you're optimistic about your chances of winning a fight against someone armed with a handgun and the skill to use it?"

If you are unarmed and have been already shot 5 times then it seems like you are in a loosing situation regardless. At that point i would think the only opportunity would be to attempt to disarm the other. Very close quarters even handguns become difficult to use and control. But again i think its more about reaction then a concerted effort to reason out your next move.

But actually it is interesting, i have wasted some time finding more and more stories from cops and soldiers civilians online. Some are very high profile that many know like the Miami shootout or the coats shooting but there are also many forums dedicated to people telling of their personal experiences getting shot or watching it happen. Just a reminder that the human body and mind are amazing things.

#29 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-01-29 03:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

The gun lusters come out of the woodwork to discuss how they all use a better gun than the other gun lusters to kill people.
#27 | POSTED BY OLDWHISKEYSOUR AT 2014-01-29 03:02 PM | FLAG: NO, to DEFEND themselves.

#30 | Posted by MSgt at 2014-01-29 04:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

Only problem, a real heavy coat will stop it.

#31 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-01-29 04:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

Sal - I wasn't referring to a person surviving a single bullet wound. I was referring to incidents where some is shot five or six times and keeps coming at the person who is shooting him.

#11 | Posted by Sully

Unless the perp is hit in the deadly triangle, which will drop him in his tracks, they end up dying from loss of blood. It does take a while to bleed-out but they drain faster with 10 holes in them than just 1. Hole size matters too.

#32 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-01-29 04:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

After that, the FBI got bigger guns.

#13 | Posted by sitzkrieg

They went from the little 9mm to the 40 S&W. Seems our armed forces forgot what happened that made them switch from the 38 sp to the 45 also. I guess if you don't read history, you never learn.

#33 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-01-29 04:34 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

This sounds a lot like the Black Talon round which is no longer on the market. I just happen to have several boxes I inherited from an old friend who passed away a few years ago.

www.google.com

#34 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-01-29 04:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

Leave it to gun nuts to get all excited about a new generation of cop killer bullets. Cuz you know they will become the ammo of choice for some bad guys.

#35 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-01-29 04:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

-Unless the perp is hit in the deadly triangle,

Or the innocent kid, as the case may be.

#36 | Posted by Corky at 2014-01-29 04:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

"This sounds a lot like the Black Talon round which is no longer on the market."

They are they are just called SXT and have a clear lube rather then black. The difference is the evil black bullet was much closer to a standard hollow point and was designed to retain its mass rather then fragmenting.

#37 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-01-29 05:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Leave it to gun nuts to get all excited about a new generation of cop killer bullets."

You do realize you are about to become the butt of many jokes if you actually buy into the cop killer crap right?

#38 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-01-29 05:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

I just went to the site posted by JGA www.google.com

Right there in his own cited site they refer to the Black Talon as cop killer bullets. If I can't rely on the sites you gun nuts refer us to for ammo info, who should we rely on?

#39 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-01-29 05:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

#15 That's why I prefer the 12-gauge pump with #00 buckshot. Nobody "keeps on coming" after getting one of those center mass.

#16 | POSTED BY MUSTANG

I use winchester PDX buck-n-ball for my Judge. Decent pattern and stopping power for a .410 and relatively small chance of going through two walls (mine and my neighbors).

Nasty pattern for a dinky round too, those little disks tear up the target pretty good.

#40 | Posted by Lohocla at 2014-01-29 05:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Right there in his own cited site they refer to the Black Talon as cop killer bullets"

You mean google images?

Yes they are referred by some gun guys too because it is a big joke. It was all based on very bad reporting in the 90's that made people think that the black lubralox was teflon which gave it penetration through bullet proof jackets. And despite correct information put out there were still a lot of people that thought they were more lethal because they were lied to.

That is why it is such a joke, they were not the first hollow points and not radically different then others. They were not taken off shelves and made illegal but had minor changes, mainly in the lube, so that those who never bothered to educate themselves would no longer suffer from paranoia.

So pretty much any time you hear about "cop killer" bullets it is in reference to a major media blunder allowing anti-gun propagandists to instill fear in the uninformed.

#41 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-01-29 05:42 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

These things look like a marketing gimmick to me.

#42 | Posted by REDIAL at 2014-01-29 07:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

#35. You realize that Black Talons are not the projectiles that are the subject of the article? The article states that the RIP rounds (about which the article is written) are designed to NOT penetrate Level 3 body armor. Thus, not "cop killers".

#43 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-01-29 09:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

Last week I thought of something even better... still "proprietary" maybe a patent someday (investors needed).

#44 | Posted by reitze at 2014-01-30 12:34 AM | Reply | Flag:

I just went to the site posted by JGA www.google.com
Right there in his own cited site they refer to the Black Talon as cop killer bullets. If I can't rely on the sites you gun nuts refer us to for ammo info, who should we rely on?

#39 | POSTED BY MODER8 AT 2014-01-29 05:30 PM | FLAG:

Actually when you click the links on those "cop killer" bullets, the cop killer part is referenced because they're quoting news articles. They're quoting news articles to make fun of them.

It really is an 15+ year old running joke, making fun of reporters sensationalism.

#45 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2014-01-30 08:05 AM | Reply | Flag:

Not everyone is impressed with these things...

"Don't waste your time and money with this nonsense. If you want deep penetration, shoot FMJ. If you want a massive, ugly, shallow wound use a Glaser. If you want a round designed to actually stop fights, use Winchester Ranger, or Federal HST, or Speer Gold Dots."

www.gunnuts.net

#46 | Posted by REDIAL at 2014-01-30 08:11 AM | Reply | Flag:

Time to start carrying a grenade launcher.

#47 | Posted by drewl at 2014-01-30 09:45 AM | Reply | Flag:

Only problem, a real heavy coat will stop it.

#31 | Posted by Sniper
or a hoodie.

#48 | Posted by northguy3 at 2014-01-30 10:20 AM | Reply | Flag:

Leave it to gun nuts to get all excited about a new generation of cop killer bullets.

#35 | Posted by moder8

WTF are they? Do you need different bullets for libs, and different bullets for commies? You need to give me a list so I'm sure which bullets to buy for the different people I see.

#49 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-01-30 10:46 AM | Reply | Flag:

Thus, not "cop killers".

#43 | Posted by MUSTANG

Lots of bad guys have body armor now days. So, what are they good for?

#50 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-01-30 10:50 AM | Reply | Flag:

Lots of bad guys have body armor now days. So, what are they good for?

#50 | POSTED BY SNIPER AT 2014-01-30 10:50 AM | FLAG:

Making G2R a ton of money off a round that will never see military action... so they have to make sure that people who know nothing of ballistics are perfectly scared enough to get it publicity. For ----- sake theyre own calculations on energy transfer are noticeably flawed, and the videos show nothing of reliability or conclusive utility. If you just look at the history of ammo like this its all the same... regardless of the custom milled blades that come off it. Too light a round breaking up into lighter pieces... sure looked impressive on the balloon i guess.

#51 | Posted by monkeylogic42 at 2014-01-30 11:51 AM | Reply | Flag:

#50 They specifically pointed out Level 3 body armor. I don't think the average joe can buy that.

#52 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-01-30 11:58 AM | Reply | Flag:

Lots of bad guys have body armor now days. So, what are they good for?

#50 | POSTED BY SNIPER AT 2014-01-30 10:50 AM | FLAG: Lots, really? I've not seen evidence of that anywhere. How many shooting have happened where the perps were wearing?

#53 | Posted by MSgt at 2014-01-30 01:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

Why would someone invent this? I've been told on this site numerous times that guns are meant mainly for target practice and sport.

#54 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2014-01-30 01:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

#54 | POSTED BY TFDNIHILIST AT 2014-01-30 01:15 PM | FLAG: What, you never saw anyone post here about use of weapons for self defense? Possibly you require new eye glasses.

#55 | Posted by MSgt at 2014-01-30 01:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

#50 They specifically pointed out Level 3 body armor. I don't think the average joe can buy that.

#52 | POSTED BY MUSTANG AT 2014-01-30 11:58 AM | FLAG:

You can buy it on ebay, cheaply.

#56 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2014-01-30 01:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

#50 They specifically pointed out Level 3 body armor. I don't think the average joe can buy that.

#52 | POSTED BY MUSTANG AT 2014-01-30 11:58 AM | FLAG:

I'm really curious. What do you think people are not allowed to buy? Are you aware of how few limits their really are? Body armor, flame throwers, warplanes, main battle tanks, rocket propelled grenade launchers, mortars, automatic cannons, machine guns, sub-machine guns.. all that stuff is legal, it's just extra paperwork. The only limiting factor is the cost, and a lot of that stuff is way cheaper to buy than you think... it's the operating costs that are murder.

#57 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2014-01-30 01:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

#56 I stand corrected. You are right. Guess I'll stick with the buckshot! Maybe try that Centurion 12ga buck-n-ball. It might not make it through the plate, but I'll bet it hurts.

#58 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-01-30 02:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

#57 Oh, I'm fully aware that people with FFLs can purchase almost any sort of weapon, but I recalled that there were some restrictions on ballistic body armor 5 or 6 years ago. Guess those went away!

#59 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-01-30 02:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

"A Georgia manufacturer has developed the Radically Invasive Projectile (RIP), a bullet with eight points that expand after firing to penetrate the target's skin and destroy internal organs more effectively. "It is capable of going through barriers such as sheet rock, plywood, sheet metal or glass and still performs its original intent. The bullet shreds through solid objects and only then, expands its energy," the website of manufacturer G2R states. "We wanted to create an effective one-shot manstopper," said Cliff Brown, G2 research president."

This is the round that the grampas get for filth that messes with the grands.
Libs that oppose gramps can go pound salt.

#60 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2014-01-30 03:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Too light a round breaking up into lighter pieces..."

Pretty much. Funny how this all copper slug is billed as the deadliest thing since the plague and last month a lead plant closed down and it was the end of the world because you can't make manly bullets without lead.

#61 | Posted by REDIAL at 2014-01-30 07:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

Why would someone invent this?

Because other enemies will make bigger bullets, and those people aren't Americans who you can bully into giving away their weapons.

#62 | Posted by boaz at 2014-01-30 09:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

Now this is what America needs, ammo on steroids. I'd ban this before A-Rod.

#63 | Posted by CrisisStills at 2014-01-31 09:11 AM | Reply | Flag:

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