Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Wednesday, January 29, 2014

A president's annual address to Congress offers the opportunity to write a wish list for the year ahead. In the weeks leading up to his 2014 State of the Union, President Barack Obama emphasized a plan to work around Congress to accomplish his goals when they would not act. CBS News has compiled a breakdown of what the president wants to do in 2014, and whether he'll need Congress to do it.

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Meh, I'll wait for the Cliff notes.
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#1 | Posted by mattm at 2014-01-28 08:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

How much is this going to cost? And who will pay? Always for our own good, of course.

#2 | Posted by Ray at 2014-01-28 08:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

What is the over on number of lies?

#3 | Posted by sawdust at 2014-01-28 08:39 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

I'll be totally honest even though I voted 2x Obama. He always has the right words but rarely follows through with the right actions. BS loses credibility in short order. Instead of defending the people and going after Wall street, he hired Wall Street shills to make them richer again.

#4 | Posted by Robson at 2014-01-28 08:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

#2

The SOTU or your neighborhood streets?

Oh, both. Got it.

#5 | Posted by Corky at 2014-01-28 08:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

we are in bad shape, no denying that. it's the fix we differ

#6 | Posted by drewinnj at 2014-01-28 08:53 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

All that is probably true Robson but do you wish you would have voted for his opponents? Not a perfect PResident, I've got issues with him too but I'm still glad I voted for him instead of his opponents, nothing that's happened has really made me question that decision. I'm a bit disatisfied, I'm even mad about some things but still compared to his opponents I have no doubt that I voted the right way.

#7 | Posted by danni at 2014-01-28 08:55 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

It was funny to see the Republicans come out with immigration and health care, er, "plans", right before the SOTU.... after they had fought both tooth and nail, shutting down the government to stop healthcare.

So Obama will try executive orders for the next couple of years to do things like raise the min wage for Fed contractors to over $10 an hour.

Maybe he'll even do a Food Stamp program for pot... Pot Stamps! Yeah, that's the ticket!

Then he could order free NSA-free phones for everyone.

#8 | Posted by Corky at 2014-01-28 08:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

I wonder if he will declare his divinity tonight?

#9 | Posted by Daniel at 2014-01-28 09:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

So when is the dunce going to start blathering?

#10 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-01-28 09:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

When American workers get it that raising the minimum wage will effect the wages of those not working for the minimum wage they will be on board big time. RAise the minimum to $10.10 and what happens to those making $10.10 right now? OVernight they can find many jobs paying the exact same wages and thus they can quit, thus their employers will be forced to pay them more than the new minimum wage. This will effect workers making much more than today's minimum wage. When workers figure that out the pressure to raise the minimum is going to be tremendous. Great issue going into the 2014 elections, defend today's minimum wage Republicans...go for it.

#11 | Posted by danni at 2014-01-28 09:03 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

#10: about 5 years ago?

#12 | Posted by Daniel at 2014-01-28 09:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

"So when is the dunce going to start blathering?"

Dunce? Really? Nulli you are a sad thing.

#13 | Posted by danni at 2014-01-28 09:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

Spot on Danni, a raising minimum wage raises all wages.

#14 | Posted by SLBronkowitz at 2014-01-28 09:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Dunce? Really?"

Ok, he's smart, not a dunce. Just a chronic liar and corporate stooge. That better?

#15 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-01-28 09:06 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

-compared to his opponents I have no doubt that I voted the right way.

Some people who voted for him seem to have buyer's remorse and wish they had voted for Mitt! now. Some even make him sound worse than Mitt!, enabling the new batch of rwing loons like Cruz and Rand in the process.

As long as he's not overtly backing Keystone, calling coal "clean", or resisting the changes to NSA over-reaching, and he's doing things like raising the min wage where he can and using the bully pulpit to talk about inequality and jobs, he's doing considerably better than the real world alternatives.

#16 | Posted by Corky at 2014-01-28 09:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

I wonder if he will declare his divinity tonight?
#9 | POSTED BY DANIEL

More like God's messenger. His speech is carved on two stone tablets.

#17 | Posted by Ray at 2014-01-28 09:06 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

LISTEN TO THIS FRAUD...TO THIS FAKE??

I think I'll pass. ..someone can send me his teleprompter tomorrow ...

#18 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-01-28 09:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

I voted for him too and am pretty much horrified with the lies and ineffective polices and leadership so far.I hate to admit it,but I think he might be the worst president so far and my heart breaks from it

#19 | Posted by blake914 at 2014-01-28 09:07 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

CC"Just a chronic liar and corporate stooge. That better?"

NOt really. He inherited the worst economic situation of any President since FDR, two wars and the most intransigent opposition in history yet you think he should have waved his majic wand and created miracles. YOu're ridiculous. Obama isn't perfect but he has done the best job he could.

#20 | Posted by danni at 2014-01-28 09:07 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"LISTEN TO THIS FRAUD...TO THIS FAKE??"

Is he a fraud as President, but he was duly elected.
Is he a fake President, again, he was elected.

#21 | Posted by danni at 2014-01-28 09:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

Ah, thank goodness for CSPAN.

I haven't watched talking head "news" for well over a year now.

#22 | Posted by Corky at 2014-01-28 09:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

You are right Danni. This is the best that HE could do. That would be the same as putting a second grader in the Super Bowl to block for the QB and say, this is the best I could do. Do you think that the QB would be ok with that?

This job is over his rate.

#23 | Posted by phinphan at 2014-01-28 09:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

I think he and Kerry just kissed.

#24 | Posted by Corky at 2014-01-28 09:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

Sorry PhinPhan but I don't usually respond to children. When you grow up and form a real opinion come back and have a discussion.

#25 | Posted by danni at 2014-01-28 09:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

In keeping with how Washington functions these days, as Obama delivers the State of the Union the Republicans should cover their ears and keep saying "naa naa naa I can't hear you" until the speech is over.

#26 | Posted by rcade at 2014-01-28 09:13 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

He was elected on lies. He lied about Benghzi. He lied about Obamacare. Does anyone believe he would have been re-elected if he had not lied? Now the lies continue, that is all he knows to do.

#27 | Posted by sawdust at 2014-01-28 09:14 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Well that is an improvement over shouting "You lie"

#28 | Posted by SLBronkowitz at 2014-01-28 09:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

Not to be a suck up but...very astute RCADE.

#29 | Posted by danni at 2014-01-28 09:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

You got me on that one Danni.

#30 | Posted by phinphan at 2014-01-28 09:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

His pants must be on fire.

#31 | Posted by Corky at 2014-01-28 09:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

www.youtube.com

#32 | Posted by rearendhat at 2014-01-28 09:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

Drinking game. Take a drink every time he lies...

#33 | Posted by sawdust at 2014-01-28 09:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

This job is over his rate.

Keeping the country out of another Depression, ending a war, getting Bin Laden, and nearly ending another war isn't enough for you? Even Republicans should be able to appreciate those accomplishments.

#34 | Posted by rcade at 2014-01-28 09:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

Boehner has a tan from hell..

#35 | Posted by boaz at 2014-01-28 09:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

Really, he is going to talk about un-employment?

#36 | Posted by sawdust at 2014-01-28 09:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

My wife just said Boehner is as red as the flag stripes behind him..

#37 | Posted by boaz at 2014-01-28 09:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

The cold-hard-fact is that Obama's policies have failed.

#38 | Posted by sawdust at 2014-01-28 09:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

Boehner's skin color contrasts nicely with his tie.

#39 | Posted by SLBronkowitz at 2014-01-28 09:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

I can just imagine Mitt! giving this speech about these policies... the Party's being "the same" and all.

#40 | Posted by Corky at 2014-01-28 09:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

"The cold-hard-fact is that Obama's policies have failed."

Yeah, compared to his predecessor? Riiiight. You are laughable.

#41 | Posted by danni at 2014-01-28 09:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

#38

Yeah, that's why most economists are calling this a break-out year, because his policies have failed. Got it.

#42 | Posted by Corky at 2014-01-28 09:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

I didn't think Boehner could get anymore redder!

#43 | Posted by boaz at 2014-01-28 09:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

Wow! Boehner smiled!

#44 | Posted by danni at 2014-01-28 09:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

Tax cuts for big business?

#45 | Posted by sawdust at 2014-01-28 09:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

How many people dropped out of the job market? How many people lost health insurance? You really believe this is a success?

#46 | Posted by sawdust at 2014-01-28 09:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

Boehner looks real enthusiastic about helping entrepeneurs doesn't he?

#47 | Posted by danni at 2014-01-28 09:29 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

He's still thinking about his dad's bar....

#48 | Posted by Corky at 2014-01-28 09:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

WTF is Biden laughing at?

#49 | Posted by boaz at 2014-01-28 09:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

All the words while pushing more trade pacts such as TPP and sending our energy to China.

Instead of smooth talking promises he could have simply held Wall St accountable in 2009 and made them pay, instead of America.

He said he would but he didn't. He lost all credibly right out of the box, and easily could have done well by us.

Credibility lost is never credibility gained. He said he had no interest in gun control...He lied.

Because Romney would have been worse is not why I voted for Obama. I voted for what Obama promised, not what Romney promisefpromisef

#50 | Posted by Robson at 2014-01-28 09:34 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Nice to know Obama knows that west is being hit with the drought of the century.

#51 | Posted by Tor at 2014-01-28 09:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

How many people lost health insurance?

Far fewer than gained health insurance.

#52 | Posted by rcade at 2014-01-28 09:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

Well that is win for science, "Climate change is a fact."

#53 | Posted by SLBronkowitz at 2014-01-28 09:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

Robson you can ignore the political realities and blame Obama for them but I judge him in the context of the real world in which he governed. TPP though, we are on the same page.

#54 | Posted by danni at 2014-01-28 09:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

So he wants to bring more low wage workers to the US. How will that help un-employment? Are we ready for wages to go even lower? Who will benefit? Big Business...

#55 | Posted by sawdust at 2014-01-28 09:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

The sooner Americans understand that neither side is on our side, the sooner we'll toss the traitors out.

#56 | Posted by Robson at 2014-01-28 09:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

Obama brought up unemployment.

I'm surprised.

#57 | Posted by Tor at 2014-01-28 09:38 PM | Reply | Flag:


Far fewer than gained health insurance.

#52 | Posted by rcade

I hear five million have lost policies so far. Has ACA even signed up five thousand paying customers?

#58 | Posted by boaz at 2014-01-28 09:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

Biden: Can you believe they are buying all this tripe. Hey, everyone is looking at me. Don't I look goooood.

#59 | Posted by Daniel at 2014-01-28 09:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

Robson, when you realize that this is the government we have, that it is made up of all sorts of folks. Some are very patriotic some less so but it is what we have. It is still the best government in the history of the world.

#60 | Posted by danni at 2014-01-28 09:41 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

Yawn.....more campaign rhetoric....no real substance in HOW to get it done..!!!

#61 | Posted by drsoul at 2014-01-28 09:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

" Has ACA even signed up five thousand paying customers?"

Closer to 3 million.

#62 | Posted by danni at 2014-01-28 09:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

#50

Take a look at your spouse(or equivalent); is she perfect? Or did you settle for the better of your choices?

We have certain choices for the foreseeable future in government, until someone, perhaps even you, comes up with polices that will systemically change the system to be better rather than worse; voting for the progressive over the regressive policies is the right thing to do.

And if you are going to criticize your partner, ask her if she'd be interested in a going on a new diet with you, rather than telling her to move because she's blocking out the sun.

Constructive criticism is one thing, saying stupid .... about her that only encourages her competition for your interest is another.

#63 | Posted by Corky at 2014-01-28 09:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

I said paying Danni..

Remember, I am informed..3 million signing up doesn't equate to a paying customer shouldering the load..

#64 | Posted by boaz at 2014-01-28 09:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's a damn shame that a one particular person getting a college education is cause for celebration.... when all American kids should have that opportunity.

If they did, this country would have far less problems.

#65 | Posted by Corky at 2014-01-28 09:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Remember, I am informed..3 million signing up doesn't equate to a paying customer shouldering the load.."

NOt going to debate numbers but I ask you, is it better if ACA succeeds or are the right wing pundits and politicians trying to help or are they trying to hurt the chances for success. Do you and they want America to succeed or is partisan advantage worth the demise of the country you claim to care about?

#66 | Posted by danni at 2014-01-28 09:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'm taking bets..how long before "year of action" goes the way of "shovel-ready jobs?"

#67 | Posted by cookfish at 2014-01-28 09:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

Fool us once, shame on Obama; Fool us 4x shame on us.

How many times will Americans hear this same nonsensical political trash knowing they are empty promises. America needs the right to recall these political whxxes.

#68 | Posted by Robson at 2014-01-28 09:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Fool us once, shame on Obama; Fool us 4x shame on us."

And gee Genius, never one post about the obstructionist Congress. He's supposed to do it all by himself. Brilliant!

#69 | Posted by danni at 2014-01-28 09:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yea, there is something I can get behind. The Pres said to give me a raise...

#70 | Posted by sawdust at 2014-01-28 09:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

This will be a "breakout year" for America as effective as his "recovery summer".

#71 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-01-28 09:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

Can you imagine Palin giving a speech like this?

Yeah me neither.

#72 | Posted by Tor at 2014-01-28 09:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

NOt going to debate numbers

I know you aren't. I'm right.

#73 | Posted by boaz at 2014-01-28 09:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

"never one post about the obstructionist Congress."

Did Republicans prevent him from prosecuting Wall Street crooks? Did they force him to ramp up the national surveillance state? Did they force him to escalate the drug war?

#74 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-01-28 09:53 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Eliminate competition from temp visas and illegal immigrants and the USA citizens will see an immediate and significant wage increase.

#75 | Posted by Robson at 2014-01-28 09:54 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Of course, the GOP has been fighting most all these same policies for the since he was elected.

But he's the problem?

See how that werks?

#76 | Posted by Corky at 2014-01-28 09:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

This will be a "breakout year" for America as effective as his "recovery summer".

JUst think if the Civil Rights workers, the Vietnam WAr protesters, etc. operated the way you do. Berate the President because he has no majic want instead of joining the activists who don't just sit home and criticize. Lame Nulli. Lame. Some of us actually go out and join the demonstrations, etc. instead of just sitting home and pretending intellectual superiority. All the criticisms you think of we've thought of before you did but still this President is our best bet to create change. Thing is, it isn't about our egos. TAke a lesson.

#77 | Posted by danni at 2014-01-28 09:54 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

9 million Danni. But I still say how many are signing up without needed subsidies..

#78 | Posted by boaz at 2014-01-28 09:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

-his "recovery summer".

It's werking now.... oh, wait, it's not perfect, sorry.

#80 | Posted by Corky at 2014-01-28 09:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

forty vote to repeal...Well that one hurt.

#81 | Posted by SLBronkowitz at 2014-01-28 09:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

Glad to see he is owning Obamacare. Will help in the elections.

#82 | Posted by sawdust at 2014-01-28 09:57 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

Foxnews has one of those opinion trackers they show every five minutes or so. Obama has lost independents, who are tracking with Repubs...

#83 | Posted by boaz at 2014-01-28 09:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

Wow, this is the most partisan speech I've heard in a long time

#84 | Posted by boaz at 2014-01-28 09:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Eliminate competition from temp visas and illegal immigrants and the USA citizens will see an immediate and significant wage increase."

Don't lumb temp visas in with illegal immigrants. Two entirely different stories. When America can't be compassionate to immigrants then that will be the day America is no longer America because we are a nation of immigrant, every version of which made us a stronger and more successful country and that certainly does not exclude Mexicans.

#85 | Posted by danni at 2014-01-28 10:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

OH YEAH....getting a kiss from my BABE everytime I hear a reference to I or a lie....

lots of kisses...a couple more mins of his teleprompter reading and I'll be doing to her what he's been doing to us all.....

aha aha ha ha ha..what a fraud

#86 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-01-28 10:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

Speaking of diplomats. I have a campaign slogan for Hillary.

"I let them die, but then, Who cares".

#88 | Posted by sawdust at 2014-01-28 10:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

Oh yeah, the numbers of troops actually fighting overseas is unimportant. Right?

#89 | Posted by danni at 2014-01-28 10:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

Of course, the nattering nabobs of negativity who don't believe the system can change, that tech can help our future, or that progressive polices can work, don't believe any of this speech.

"The key to the future of the world is finding the optimistic stories and letting them be known." - Pete Seeger

#90 | Posted by Corky at 2014-01-28 10:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

#87

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#91 | Posted by Corky at 2014-01-28 10:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

Remember, I am informed..3 million signing up doesn't equate to a paying customer shouldering the load..

#64 | Posted by boaz at 2014-0

bingo...

they won't tell you how many have actually paid.....

OH YEAH,....another kiss....

mmm mmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

#92 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-01-28 10:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

that progressive polices can work

If this wasn't such a stupid remark, I would flag it as funny.

#93 | Posted by boaz at 2014-01-28 10:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

#87

Ah, the name-calling begins. Guess the argument is over.

#94 | Posted by Corky at 2014-01-28 10:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

Please Afka, I just ate dinner..

#95 | Posted by SLBronkowitz at 2014-01-28 10:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

Of course, the nattering nabobs of negativity who don't believe the system can change, that tech can help our future, or that progressive polices can work, don't believe any of this speech.

"The key to the future of the world is finding the optimistic stories and letting them be known." - Pete Seeger

#90 | Posted by Corky at 2014

I'm going to print this out and paste it on my wall...if that's okay with you....

right under my CRUZ in 2016 poster...

#96 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-01-28 10:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

Please Afka, I just ate dinner..

#95 | Posted by SLBronkowitz at 201

aha aha ha ha ha ha ha

OKAY..I'll keep my tongue where it belongs...

#97 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-01-28 10:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

Wow.

He's re-treading just about everything he's ever proposed.

What a tedious bore this SOTU is (in fairness, they are pretty much all boring).

#98 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-01-28 10:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

AFK......we will never get anything but finely 'spun' numbers on ACA, just like unemployment figures....no reality or fact...!!!

#99 | Posted by drsoul at 2014-01-28 10:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

=He's re-treading just about everything he's ever proposed.

Because your pals have blocked it all.

#100 | Posted by Corky at 2014-01-28 10:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

Really, do you believe Iran is eliminating it's ability to develop a nuclear weapon?

#101 | Posted by sawdust at 2014-01-28 10:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

okay I'll check back with you good people when the fraud gets through..or RATHER when the teleprompter stops...

I want to check on another site where people are estimating how many DRUNKS there are across the country playing the "I OBAMA" drinking game.....

#102 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-01-28 10:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Ah, the name-calling begins. Guess the argument is over."

What a hypocrite. You follow me all over the retort with gratuitous references to pot and anarchism. And I'M the name caller?

#103 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-01-28 10:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

=He's re-treading just about everything he's ever proposed.

Because your pals have blocked it all.

#100 | Posted by Corky at

sorry bro...but harry reids' no friend of mine....

#104 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-01-28 10:10 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

"right under my CRUZ in 2016 poster..."

You do that. I will get a laugh every time I think of it. Hilarious! Cruze will be lucky to be reelected in Texas, he's a buffooon.

#105 | Posted by danni at 2014-01-28 10:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

I will be the first to call for more sanctions. Anyone want to bet their paycheck on that?

#106 | Posted by sawdust at 2014-01-28 10:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

#103

Yes, you are.

#107 | Posted by Corky at 2014-01-28 10:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

So he will veto a sanctions bill.

Fine, that is within his constitutional scope.

What happens if a congressional super majority over-rides his veto?

Will he comply?

It's difficult to predict as he routinely flouts the Constitution whenever he feels like it.

#108 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-01-28 10:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

Have to agree AFKBL2, Reid has been the biggest obstructionist.

#109 | Posted by sawdust at 2014-01-28 10:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

yeah danni...I'll be sure and archive that....not only will he be there but he's gonna have help too...and I don't mean cornyn....

but that doesn't matter.....for now..

so keep lapping his stuff up //.

AND rockets up over spurs by TEN !!!!!!

#110 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-01-28 10:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Really, do you believe Iran is eliminating it's ability to develop a nuclear weapon?"

YOu ready to sing up to go invade IRan and make sure they don't? If not then really you need to let the experts involved do their job JUST LIKE THEY WERE DOING IN IRAQ BEFORE YOUR IDIOT PRESIDENT DECIDED TO INVADE ANYWAY AND DISCOVERED....THEY REALLY WEREN'T DEVELOPING NUKES. We don't need to repeat that stupidity do we?

#111 | Posted by danni at 2014-01-28 10:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

You do that. I will get a laugh every time I think of it. Hilarious! Cruze will be lucky to be reelected in Texas, he's a buffooon.

#105 | POSTED BY DANNI

Texas is a pretty conservative state. He'll probably cruise (pun intended) to re-election. He is much less a buffoon than Pelosi, and she is a permanent fixture due to her consituency.

#112 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-01-28 10:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

-Will he comply?

That's the difference between nice conservative Jeff and wild-eyed TP Jeff. The former knew he would, wouldn't even ask the question.

#113 | Posted by Corky at 2014-01-28 10:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

"What happens if a congressional super majority over-rides his veto?
Will he comply?"

NO -------, he's going to go rogue. What an idiot.

#114 | Posted by danni at 2014-01-28 10:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

Cork,

I can cite a litany of instances when he has blatantly flouted the Constitution.

His first order of business when the DC circuit shot down his recess appointments?

Ignore the ruling and continue with business as usual.

That is one of the milder instances.

#115 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-01-28 10:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

SAWDUST

you know I might be willing to meet some of these people close to half way on the obstruction issue, but they don't think that ried blocking a gop idea or bill from the house deserves even a DISCUSSION.......

so as I have said and I AM CORRECT>..libs here and in dc do NOT WANT COMPROMISE....they want the gop to bend over and get out of the way....

its just a shame that the white house HAS TO HAVE SOMETHING OVER boehner for him to turn into just another obama you know what...

we're thinking that the NSA got something on a boehner phone call and obama and VALERIE JARRETT ARE holding him hostage on things...AND ANYONE who doesn't think these chicago political punks wouldn't do that are asleep...

#116 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-01-28 10:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

Danni is a bit sensitive on this one.

#117 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-01-28 10:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

"He is much less a buffoon than Pelosi, and she is a permanent fixture due to her consituency."

Didn't seem that way as he denied any responsibility for shutting down the government, he just sounded like a blatant liar. Hey, defend him if you want, he's sort of disgusting.

#118 | Posted by danni at 2014-01-28 10:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

NO -------, he's going to go rogue. What an idiot.

#114 | Posted by danni at 2014-01-2

okay potty mouth...

just sit back and relax a little.

lol

#119 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-01-28 10:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

-NO -------, he's going to go rogue.

That's what I meant, lol.

It's a dumb proposition, Jeff. Fueled by wild-eyed rwing Echo Chamber nonsense. He's done nothing illegal.

#120 | Posted by Corky at 2014-01-28 10:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

Longest applause of the night for Remsberg and rightly so.

#121 | Posted by SLBronkowitz at 2014-01-28 10:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

Jobs?? We can only hope. Free Trade Agreements have cost this country 15 million jobs.

Immigration??? Fogetaboutit, we need more people like we need a hole in the head. This only sabotages wages. There is no job that Americans cannot do.

Education does not create jobs. Education can fill some jobs already in demand. The Student Loan Trap is caused by outlandish tuition hikes which is caused by a combination of administrator greed, cuts in government subsidies, and a proliferation of useless for profit schools.

Executives can't wait to raise workers wages.

A US Government guaranteed savings program is a good idea considering how much time and energy Wall Street devotes to liquidating everybody's savings.

Elimination of the pre-existing condition clause in health insurance policies may prove to be Obama's greatest achievement.

Reductions in violence by private gun owners is a noble cause. As 60 Minutes showed last week, it requires improving mental health care. Almost all of these attackers are paranoid schizophrenics. When it comes to violence, its time our Government should lead by example. We are the worst example. Terror threats are no excuse. Obama's diplomatic efforts with Iran are commendable.

Boehner's facial expressions???? Priceless!

#122 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-01-28 10:20 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Danni, I would not commit troops to Iran on that we can agree. I would however, keep the sanctions until they stop, whether of their own volition or because there was a revolution. This needs to not be out problem but Saudi Arabia's problem. The real creative solution would be to make it their's.

#123 | Posted by sawdust at 2014-01-28 10:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's so nice to hear SOTU speeches that are grammatically correct.

#124 | Posted by Tor at 2014-01-28 10:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Cork,
I can cite a litany of instances when he has blatantly flouted the Constitution.
His first order of business when the DC circuit shot down his recess appointments?
Ignore the ruling and continue with business as usual."

Because there were higher courts to go to, that is standard operating procedure when things are challenged in courts. It isn't as if he invented this tactic for crying out loud.

#125 | Posted by danni at 2014-01-28 10:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's a dumb proposition, Jeff. Fueled by wild-eyed rwing Echo Chamber nonsense. He's done nothing illegal.

#120 | Posted by Corky at 201

YEAH... another one for my wall...I"m going to repost this when a gop pres does even LESS than this fraud has and you're whining like a woman demanding they be arrested and then impeached..

#126 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-01-28 10:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

I hear five million have lost policies so far.

You hear incorrectly. The actual number was around 500,000.

#127 | Posted by rcade at 2014-01-28 10:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

Well, at least he's finally lost all expectations that the GOP might actually put their country first and comprise with him on any issues.

Hence the executive orders.

#128 | Posted by Corky at 2014-01-28 10:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's so nice to hear SOTU speeches that are grammatically correct.

#124 | Posted by Tor at 2014-01-2

THIS FRAUD is not smart enough to give a speech like this without those things you see off to the side....how many grammar goddesses did he have read it and proof it...and that's okay BUT..

you make is sound like this fake is winging it...

#129 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-01-28 10:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

He's done nothing illegal.

Extending the employer mandate, anyone?

He had no statutory authority to do that, but did it anyway. That was a lawless act and also but the tip of the iceberg.

He mandated the DREAM act in the run-up to the 2012 election. He had no authority to do so.

The entire rollout of ACA has been an issue of selective enforcement of the law (again, a lawless act).

#130 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-01-28 10:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

Well you all made my wife happy. Rather than yelling at the TV and stirring up the dogs, I posted here. Thanks for your contribution...

#131 | Posted by sawdust at 2014-01-28 10:23 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

So, how many responders do the Republicans have? 7-8. lol?

#132 | Posted by Corky at 2014-01-28 10:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I would however, keep the sanctions until they stop, whether of their own volition or because there was a revolution."

That is what they claim to have done and now they have agreed to allow inspectors to determine if that is true. This is the same drill we went through with Iraq. MOst intelligent folks would agree we should have listened to the weapons inspectors instead of the ideologues, we spent one trillion dollars, lost thousands of American troops and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis because some people had reasons to ignore the inspectors. Let's not repeat the stupidity.

#133 | Posted by danni at 2014-01-28 10:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

#130

Well, I'll let Danni school you on those. But be careful, she's tougher than I am.

#134 | Posted by Corky at 2014-01-28 10:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

yeah cork...all that spending only what you bring in...protecting americans overseas in embassies....helping business to create jobs...yeah you're right..THOSE ARE GOP ideas....so I guess we better stand in his way a little longer...

and 'you people' still dont get it....you didn't MIND DEMS BLOCKING EVERYTHING "W" even thought about ....so here is my reply

NAN A..NA>...NAN>>A BOO BOO...

#135 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-01-28 10:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

I do give him credit for keeping his belittlement of his opposition to a bare minimum.

I was half expecting to come out and excoriate the GOP and the Tea Party with a laundry list of childish strawmen arguments.

He didn't and it was a pleasant surprise (although I only caught the second half of the speech).

#136 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-01-28 10:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

Agreed... No more troops. Find a way to make this someone else's problem. I pick Saudi Arabia.

#137 | Posted by sawdust at 2014-01-28 10:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

- BLOCKING EVERYTHING "W" even thought about

That's whut Ah calls easy werk.

#138 | Posted by Corky at 2014-01-28 10:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

Only 137 posts? DR, you disappoint me.

#139 | Posted by pragmatist at 2014-01-28 10:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

Extending the employer mandate, anyone?

He had no statutory authority to do that, but did it anyway. That was a lawless act and also but the tip of the iceberg.

He mandated the DREAM act in the run-up to the 2012 election. He had no authority to do so.

The entire rollout of ACA has been an issue of selective enforcement of the law (again, a lawless act).

#130 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-01-28 1

jeff jeff JEFF JEFF !!!!!!!!!!!!!

THESE PEOPLE don't CARE about any of that....

'by any means necessary'......is their new preamble.

#140 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-01-28 10:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

BLOCKING EVERYTHING "W" even thought about

That's whut Ah calls easy werk.

#138 | Posted by Corky at 2014-

proud of you...you don't deny it..

#141 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-01-28 10:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

#134 - there is nothing to school

What is she going to do? Bust out Article II and point to the text that authorizes him to legislate from the Executive branch or selectively enforce laws?

#142 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-01-28 10:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

"jeff jeff JEFF JEFF !!!!!!!!!!!!!
THESE PEOPLE don't CARE about any of that....
'by any means necessary'......is their new preamble."

YOu do realize that both of you are such ideologues that you are tolerated as eccentrics but not listened to as thoughtful voices?

#143 | Posted by danni at 2014-01-28 10:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

post 142../

snicker snicker snicker..hee heeee heee

#144 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-01-28 10:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

#140 |

Let us know when Obama invades the wrong country with a 1/2 million troops and throws the world into recession.

Then we can talk legalities.

#145 | Posted by Corky at 2014-01-28 10:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

you DO realize that not one word of your last post proved he was wrong about any of his comments...

HEY this is better

rockets on tv and WINNING and reading this stuff..

#146 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-01-28 10:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

#143.....as if anyone takes your partisan spewing serious????

#147 | Posted by drsoul at 2014-01-28 10:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

Rodgers thinks she's kinda hot already.

#148 | Posted by Corky at 2014-01-28 10:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

Let us know when Obama invades the wrong country with a 1/2 million troops and throws the world into recession.

Then we can talk legalities.

#145 | Posted by Corky at 201

AND ONCE AGAIN...a reply with NOT ONE WORD having to do with the topic...

THATTA BOY....

#149 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-01-28 10:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

This must be a GOP prisoner of the War on Women.

She's been turned.

#150 | Posted by Corky at 2014-01-28 10:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

#143

Wow, Danni.

That was quite the rejoinder.

You really de-contructed my assertions with that one.

Well done!

#151 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-01-28 10:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

Cathy Rodgers: ...used to work in McDonald's, now able to sell the killa dilla!

#152 | Posted by ichiro at 2014-01-28 10:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

"He mandated the DREAM act in the run-up to the 2012 election. He had no authority to do so.

NO he didn't, what he did was entirely within his powers to decide who to prosecute and thus who to deport. He decided there were plenty of people deserving of prosecution an deportment and thus there was an opportunity to allow the children of immigrants, who grew up in the U.S., to not have to worry about being deported to countries they had never live in. Oh gee Jeff,what a horrible man. YOu have become ridiculous. Laughable.

#153 | Posted by danni at 2014-01-28 10:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

work hard, help others, dream for more.... great "opposing view."

#154 | Posted by ichiro at 2014-01-28 10:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

What the hell is she talking about?

#155 | Posted by Corky at 2014-01-28 10:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Well done!"

When you have an original thought Jeff, let me know. YOu ought to go a month or two with Fox News, you might just find your mind.

#156 | Posted by danni at 2014-01-28 10:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

...how about a "gift" from insurers? no, yes? apparently not, "without a dollar to our name"... she says.

#157 | Posted by ichiro at 2014-01-28 10:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

your "potential" and $3.50 will buy you 1 cup of joe. good luck.

#158 | Posted by ichiro at 2014-01-28 10:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

This after the SOTU monologue isn't working for me. It's oddly uncomfortable.

#159 | Posted by YAV at 2014-01-28 10:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

Republicans support Affordable Health Care? ... BREAKING NEWS!

#160 | Posted by Corky at 2014-01-28 10:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

#159

I thought I had been transported to the Womens Circle meeting when she was talking about her family.

#161 | Posted by Corky at 2014-01-28 10:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

quick look up this "Betty"... wait...nevermind... she just said: " No, we shouldn't go bsck to the way things were." Sorry Betty.

#162 | Posted by ichiro at 2014-01-28 10:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

#161 - ok - so it's not just me. Thanks.

#163 | Posted by YAV at 2014-01-28 10:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

"And may Gawd Bless America... and not send those hurricanes on the gheys!"

#164 | Posted by Corky at 2014-01-28 10:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

another prayer? ehhh....ok. yay.

#165 | Posted by ichiro at 2014-01-28 10:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

NEXT!

#166 | Posted by ichiro at 2014-01-28 10:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

#153

Selective enforcement and selective prosecution is a matter of limited resources.

If his executive order had been something along the lines of: We are going to reduce current border enforcement by 20%. Fine.

If his EO had been along the lines of: We are going to randomly drop 20% of our deportation cases due to a lack of resources. Fine.

But when he put all sorts of parameters such as the 'DREAMER' criteria, he moved into the legislative process.

He decided there were plenty of people deserving of prosecution an deportment and thus there was an opportunity to allow the children of immigrants, who grew up in the U.S., to not have to worry about being deported to countries they had never live in. Oh gee Jeff,what a horrible man.

Whether or not it's a good idea or the right, humanitarian thing to do is irrelevant to the point. This is a matter of following the rule of law, it's not about emotion.

#167 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-01-28 10:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

3 more, right?

#168 | Posted by ichiro at 2014-01-28 10:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

#156

You are full of well-though rejoinders tonight, Danni.

I am thoroughly impressed.

#169 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-01-28 10:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

-he moved into the legislative process.

What he did was not illegal. What you suggested he might do would be. So there is no comparison.

#170 | Posted by Corky at 2014-01-28 10:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

She certainly went toe-to-toe with Obama in the meaningless platitude department.

#171 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-01-28 10:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

Rafael! (cnn)

#172 | Posted by ichiro at 2014-01-28 10:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

#170

What he did was act outside of his consitutionally enumerated powers and has done so on countless occasions.

ACA gave a hard date for the employer mandate. He extended it for a year when he had no authority to do so.

That act was no different than if he failed to comply with a veto-override, which is precisely why I posed the rhetorical, hypothetical quesion.

#173 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-01-28 10:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

You forgot the "IMHO" part in #173, Jeff.

#174 | Posted by YAV at 2014-01-28 10:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

I feel like Obama got the most sustained applause was for the "repeal Obamacare 40 times" line.

If he would have delivered just those few lines, it would probably be the highest rated State of the Union speech in TV history.

#175 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-01-28 10:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

Obama was wise not to talk about more specific programs than he had to.

After all the GOP would target them.

en.wikipedia.org

#176 | Posted by Tor at 2014-01-28 10:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

-What he did was act outside of his consitutionally enumerated powers and has done so on countless occasions.

That's one opinion, not an illegality.

- he had no authority to do so.

Another opinion. You think if he were at all vulnerable to your accusation the GOP would not be going to court?

#177 | Posted by Corky at 2014-01-28 10:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

I wasn't expressing an opinion, Yav.

I was posing a hypothetical - would he comply with a veto override on sanctions?

Probably.

Having said that, when I watch the lawless manner in which he has been rolling out ACA it gives me pause.

I can't for certain predict that he'd comply.

#178 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-01-28 10:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

Cruz is being schooled on CNN on Obama's executive orders being less than Bush or Clinton.

You sound just like, Cruz, Jeff. Calling your opinions law.

But I love ya anyway, man.

#179 | Posted by Corky at 2014-01-28 10:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

In the 65 minutes that he spoke, the national debt grew $120 million, and the government spent over $450 million.

he DID NOT mention national debt or spending once...

#180 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-01-28 10:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

Longest applause of the night for Remsberg and rightly so.

#121 | POSTED BY SLBRONKOWITZ

Dude's a badass.

Love the father too.

#181 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-01-28 10:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

(First time I've watched talking heads in a year or more. and I get Caunuck Cruz....)

#182 | Posted by Corky at 2014-01-28 10:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

From Rolling Stone:

1. New income generated since 2009 that has gone to the top 1%: 95%

2. Financial wealth controlled by the bottom 60% of all Americans: 2.3%

3. Record combined wealth of the top 400 richest Americans: $2,000,000,000,000

4. Real decline in median middle-class incomes since 1999: $5,000

5. Percentage of Hispanic and African-American children living in poverty, respectively: 33.8%; 36.7%

6. Amount that food stamps will be cut in 2014: $5 billion

7. Federal minimum wage: $7.25

8. What the minimum wage would be if it had kept pace with gains in worker productivity since 1968: $21.72

9. Number of U.S. workers laboring at or below minimum wage: 3.6 million – nearly the population of Los Angeles.

10. Stealth taxpayer subsidy to the fast-food industry, paid out as safety-net benefits to McWorkers earning poverty wages: $7 billion

11. Global carbon dioxide levels measured in parts per million: 397

12. Maximum concentration of the greenhouse gas that scientists deem sustainable: 350

13. Years since the turn of this century that have ranked among the warmest 15 on record: All 13

14. Rank of 2013 on that list of the warmest years on record: Number Four

15. U.S. defense spending as of 2012: $682 billion

16. Dollar amount by which that surpassed our nearest plausible military rival, China: $516 billion

17. Federal deficit last year: $680 billion

18. Number of Americans disenfranchised from voting for felony convictions: 5.9 million

19. Share of those disenfranchised voters who are African-American: 37%

20. Number of Americans arrested annually for marijuana possession: 658,000

21. Total incarcerated U.S. population: 2.3 million

22. Total population on probation/parole: 4.8 million

23. States that could be entirely filled by all of the Americans under correctional supervision: Nevada and Kentucky

24. Official unemployment rate: 6.7%

25. Alternate rate including Americans who've given up looking for work, or have only been able to secure part-time employment: 13.1%

26. Number of jobs the United States is still down from 2008 employment peak: 1.69 million

27. Number of Americans who were cut off from long-term unemployment benefits at the turn of the year: 1.3 million

#183 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-01-28 10:56 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

#177 | POSTED BY CORKY

Not an opinion at all.

Please cite for me where he derives the authority to extend the employer mandate in ACA.

#184 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-01-28 10:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

He decided there were plenty of people deserving of prosecution an deportment and thus there was an opportunity to allow the children of immigrants, who grew up in the U.S., to not have to worry about being deported to countries they had never live in.
#153 | POSTED BY DANNI

Its not his choice to make, even he acknowledges it..

If it was within his powers why would he behave or even acknowledge he was meeting the DREAM ACT which was never passed?

In June of 2012, the Obama administration announced that it would accept requests for Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA), an initiative designed to temporarily suspend the deportation of young people residing unlawfully in the U.S who were brought to the United States as children, meet certain education requirements and generally match the criteria established under legislative proposals like the DREAM Act.
www.immigrationpolicy.org

#185 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-01-28 10:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

Another opinion. You think if he were at all vulnerable to your accusation the GOP would not be going to court?

#177 | Posted by Corky at 2014-01-28 1

boehner and others...are COWARDS who are afraid that tea party is taking their KINGDOM over..so it's to their PERSONAL advantage to keep silent..

OR THE NSA has heard something on boehner's phone and the white house is holding him hostage on whatever it is...

#186 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-01-28 10:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

-or spending once...

He talked about the deficit we cut in half.

#187 | Posted by Corky at 2014-01-28 10:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

#179

I am not stating that Executive Orders are unconstitutional.

They are not.

With ACA we are not talking about EO's.

#188 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-01-28 10:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

26. Number of jobs the United States is still down from 2008 employment peak: 1.69 million

27. Number of Americans who were cut off from long-term unemployment benefits at the turn of the year: 1.3 million

#183 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-01-

whether they're right or not...doesn't matter...more informative than his entire speech..

well done..

#189 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-01-28 10:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

27. Number of Americans who were cut off from long-term unemployment benefits at the turn of the year: 1.3 million

#183 | Posted by nutcase

Well there's 27 Obama failures, just for starters.

#190 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-01-28 10:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

He talked about the deficit we cut in half.

#187 | Posted by Corky at 2014-01-2

okay GOOD then there's no need to raise the debt limit....or anything close to it....

and the SHOVELS are ready and the SUMMER OF RECOVERY IS.....oops//

#191 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-01-28 10:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

13. Years since the turn of this century that have ranked among the warmest 15 on record: All 13

Laughable. Rolling Stone is going to cite 2007 as among the warmest on record?

#192 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-01-28 11:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

#184

Jeff, it's your opinion.

Here's a different one.

theincidentaleconomist.com

#193 | Posted by Corky at 2014-01-28 11:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

JEFF...

TTHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANKKK YOU...

SOMEONE can tell the difference..

:)

#194 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-01-28 11:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

#190

Anarchist Theater of the Absurd, lmao.

#195 | Posted by Corky at 2014-01-28 11:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

and now it's time to check out the REAL liberal journalist...JON STEWART....

what's better to hear about the dem clowns than a dem clown

#196 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-01-28 11:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Its not his choice to make, even he acknowledges it.."

Sorry but actually it is completely within his powers to determine who to prosecute and thus who to deport.

#197 | Posted by danni at 2014-01-28 11:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

Jeff, the EO hasn't been delayed. The tax-reportintg requirement was delayed for a year. Like it or not that's enough of a variation to skirt illegality. The only way to be sure, however, would be to sue. It's unlikely that any employer would do that (not in their interest).

#198 | Posted by YAV at 2014-01-28 11:02 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Good link Corky - that's what I had understood but didn't have a link to the rational.

#199 | Posted by YAV at 2014-01-28 11:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

"what's better to hear about the dem clowns than a dem clown"

Who regularly makes the right wing, Fox Commentators, look ridiculous.

#200 | Posted by danni at 2014-01-28 11:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

#199

You prolly know more about it than I, YAV. I thought it was something like that, but I had to look.

#201 | Posted by Corky at 2014-01-28 11:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

So Rand Paul just am out for lowering taxes on oil companies rather than taking away their 4 billion in welfare.

#202 | Posted by Corky at 2014-01-28 11:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

came out

#203 | Posted by Corky at 2014-01-28 11:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

And he doesn't want to discuss that he doesn't believe there should be a minimum wage at all, lol.

( I get Cruz and Paul the first time I go back to TV... this is a message.)

#204 | Posted by Corky at 2014-01-28 11:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yav,

That is what was put forth in Cork's link.

However, the author within the link treaded very lightly - admitted to a lot of speculation and made some pretty tenuous arguments and even acknowledged that it may well be lawless, but in reality probably can't be put to a court challenge.

It was anything but a forceful argument defending from a lawful standpoint Obama's actions on this.

#205 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-01-28 11:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

THIS FROM THE FRAUD THIS EVENING>...

A woman deserves equal pay for equal work."

OH REALLY YOU FAKE.....clean up the WHITE HOUSE first...

A woman deserves equal pay for equal work."

Obama WhiteHouse in 2013 paid women $12K less than men.

#206 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-01-28 11:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

what's better to hear about the dem clowns than a dem clown"

Who regularly makes the right wing, Fox Commentators, look ridiculous.

#200 | Posted by danni at 2014-01-28 11

aha aha ha...instead of BOO...I'll just say

PALIN !!!!

ha ha h ah ah

#207 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-01-28 11:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

He gave a plausible legal opinion, Jeff. Just as valid as your opinion.

So, there are various valid opinions, and no conclusion that what he did was illegal, not with out a court trial... and maybe not then.

SO at this point, it's all opinion.

#208 | Posted by Corky at 2014-01-28 11:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

Cork,

As wishy-washy as the argument was in your link, it was the first time I've seen even a tepid support of Obama's employer mandate extension from a legal standpoint.

I thank you for it - I always appreciate a reasoned rebuttal.

#209 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-01-28 11:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

Pretty disgusting the way Obama used that soldier as a prop.

#210 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-01-28 11:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

I told you Danni was tougher than me.

#211 | Posted by Corky at 2014-01-28 11:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

And he doesn't want to discuss that he doesn't believe there should be a minimum wage at all, lol.

( I get Cruz and Paul the first time I go back to TV... this is a message.)

#204 | Posted by Corky at 2014-01-28 11

PERFECT exmample of the LIES from this guy and liberal media JUST HAPPENED on stewart who YOU JUST gave all the credibility I need to use him as an example...

distortions of these issues he discussed tonight on his GO TO liberal CLOWN...

example of a man working fast foods with a bachelors degree..

OKAY but he can barely speak english...and I"M SURE that has NOTHING To do with him not having a better paying job

I BET HE COULD IN his own country..........

#212 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-01-28 11:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

That soldier wouldn't agree with you.

He seemed to appreciate the support.

#213 | Posted by Corky at 2014-01-28 11:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

He gave a plausible legal opinion, Jeff.

It was a big stretch, but, in fairness, it was a legal argument.

Nicely done (no snark).

#214 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-01-28 11:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

sorry...I meant that DANNI gave credibility to..but you do too

#215 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-01-28 11:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

Pretty disgusting the way Obama used that soldier as a prop.

#210 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

I was multi-tasking during that part and wasn't paying close attention to what was being said. I caught the basics regarding what happened to the soldier, but I didn't catch the 'therefore' where he transitioned to some kind of call for action on something.

Did he use that soldier's personal tragedy to advance some agenda item in a petty and unsavory manner?

#216 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-01-28 11:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

What happened to our country?

#217 | Posted by LastAmerican at 2014-01-28 11:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

G'nite, Painless.

You too, BL2. I don't know what you said, but I believe you meant it.

#218 | Posted by Corky at 2014-01-28 11:23 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 2

Well, that's enough for tonight.

Have a great evening, all.

Stay warm (it's fricking freezing here in Michigan -4 fahrenheit, 20 below with wind chill)

#219 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-01-28 11:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

High 70's in Naples, Gracie is prolly freezing Bacon's thighs off, though.

#220 | Posted by Corky at 2014-01-28 11:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

Well judging by the way the clown apologists are wringing their hands, wailing, and gnashing their collective teeth in the DR they know they got spanked again.

Go Obama.

#221 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2014-01-28 11:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

#221 | Posted by RightisTrite

That about covers it.

#222 | Posted by REDIAL at 2014-01-28 11:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

"they know they got spanked again. "

Got spanked with laundry list of banal, glittering generalities? Those really sting. lol

#223 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-01-28 11:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

The folks who are getting the free stuff don't like
The folks who are paying for the free stuff, because
The folks who are paying for the free stuff can no longer
Afford to pay for both the free stuff and their own stuff.

And the folks who are paying for the free stuff
Well judging by the way the clown apologists are wringing their hands, wailing, and gnashing their collective teeth in the DR they know they got spanked again.

Go Obama.

#221 | Posted by RightisTrite a

And the folks who are getting the free stuff want even more
Free stuff on top of the free stuff they are already getting!

Now... The people who are forcing the people who pay
For the free stuff have told the people who are RECEIVING
The free stuff that the people who are PAYING for the
Free stuff are being mean, prejudiced, and racist.

So... The people who are GETTING the free stuff have been
Convinced they need to hate the people who are paying for the
Free stuff by the people who are forcing some people to pay
For their free stuff and giving them the free stuff in the first place.

We have let the free stuff giving go on for so long that there
Are now more people getting free stuff than paying for the
Free stuff.

#224 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-01-28 11:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

All great democracies have committed financial suicide somewhere
Between 200 and 250 years after being founded.

The reason?

The voters figured out they could vote themselves money
From the treasury by electing people who promised to give
Them money from the treasury in exchange for electing them.

The United States officially became a Republic in 1776,
236 years ago.�

The number of people now getting free stuff
Outnumbers the people paying for the free stuff.

Failure to change that spells the end of the United States
As we know it

GO OBAMA....FLUSH THAT LIBERAL TOILET...

#225 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-01-28 11:52 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

OK, fellow Dems. Now when we break the huddle, we're going to go execute the plan. Everyone remembers the plan, right? Who remembers the plan? You know, what we're going to go do when we get out of this huddle. Let's do it, just like you remember it.

Ready? Break!

#226 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-01-29 12:03 AM | Reply | Flag:

Work the plan I just laid out!

#227 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-01-29 12:03 AM | Reply | Flag:

It's a great plan.

#228 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-01-29 12:04 AM | Reply | Flag:

"All great democracies have committed financial suicide somewhere between 200 and 250 years after being founded."

So if it's that inevitable, why blame anything other than the concept of democracy itself?

#229 | Posted by REDIAL at 2014-01-29 12:56 AM | Reply | Flag:

Two words: who cares?

There are no real liberals in power nor fascist media in the usa. Nothing more than a business plan to #$ck the moronic sheeple out of whatever they have while pretending to care about them.

#230 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-01-29 01:50 AM | Reply | Flag:

"President Barack Obama delivers the State of the Union speech tonight to a joint session of Congress"

If only Obama and Congress would share a joint once in a while...

#231 | Posted by Diablo at 2014-01-29 02:13 AM | Reply | Flag:

Peter Principle
Definition:
Observation that in an hierarchy people tend to rise to "their level of incompetence."
Example: The present POTUS and regime.

#232 | Posted by Greatamerican at 2014-01-29 03:39 AM | Reply | Flag:

The sooner Americans understand that neither side is on our side, the sooner we'll toss the traitors out.

#56 | POSTED BY ROBSON

AGREED !!!!

#233 | Posted by bat4255 at 2014-01-29 06:17 AM | Reply | Flag:

Observation that in an hierarchy people tend to rise to "their level of incompetence."
Example: The present POTUS and regime.

#232 | POSTED BY GREATAMERICAN AT 2014-01-29 03:39 AM | REPLY | FLAG:IRONIC CLOWN

Your remark doesn't say much for the republiclowns considering he kicks their butts every time. Even after they "win" he just steps out of the way and they fall on their own swords... but then the republiclowns haven't met a circular firing squad they didn't want to join.

The best they could do tonight was blather on about how he didn't talk about Benghazi and they demanded answers. Apparently they are too stupid to walk across the hall and ask the Senate Committee for the results of their bipartisan investigation. These are the pig brains republiclowns inserted into office to fix everything Obama. Obama hasn't had to do anything in response to them because they haven't done anything. Now the pig brains have lost their testicles in the fracas of their own minds and lack the courage admit they shut down the government. Never mind that there is public record of them gleefully celebrating the event outside the capital. They were going to get something.

and they did

They got to look stupid...

and you don;t look to bright discussing the Peter Principal and Obama when he is still winning.'

#234 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2014-01-29 06:17 AM | Reply | Flag:

Well, what contrived BS did the Obummer throw out there last night. I watched a great basketball game. I did notice in the news one statement he made was that "climate change is a fact". How old is this guy. How long has it taken for him to figure out that the climate changes. At least he didn't stick his foot in it and link it to man caused as half the country freezes and are living under mountains of snow.

#235 | Posted by matsop at 2014-01-29 06:54 AM | Reply | Flag:

MSU Iowa?

#236 | Posted by sawdust at 2014-01-29 07:45 AM | Reply | Flag:

If you are going to watch fiction, may as well be something good.

Personally I went to see The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug.

You all went to see: The Obama: The Definition of Smug.

#237 | Posted by sames1 at 2014-01-29 07:49 AM | Reply | Flag:

The number of people now getting free stuff
Outnumbers the people paying for the free stuff.
Oh wait... gotta go... my SOCIAL security check just deposited... WHO HOOOO FREE STUFF! Hasta Banana.

#225 | POSTED BY AFKABL2 AT 2014-01-28 11:52 PM | FLAG:

#238 | Posted by 726 at 2014-01-29 08:16 AM | Reply | Flag:

He reminded me of another Mobster last night. Al Capone fishing in his Flodia swimming pool.

#239 | Posted by wisgod at 2014-01-29 08:19 AM | Reply | Flag:

Had a big disappointment last night. No mention of TPP nor net neutrality. Everything else the President said is meaningless if in the end he is going to support and sign TPP and the end of the internet as we know it today will be over without net neutrality. Good bye to the broad spectrum of news sources, opinion, etc. We now know Obama is selling out but we still haven't heard from his heir apparent Hilary Clinton and, quite honestly, I don't think we will.

#240 | Posted by danni at 2014-01-29 08:21 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

240! That's more like it! But by now, I would have thought 582!

#241 | Posted by pragmatist at 2014-01-29 08:56 AM | Reply | Flag:

BEST
PRESIDENT
EVER!

#242 | Posted by drewl at 2014-01-29 09:03 AM | Reply | Flag:

242:
DUMBEST
POST
EVER!

#243 | Posted by pragmatist at 2014-01-29 09:19 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

#240 danni TPP is wholly about keeping media and internet power and the propaganda in the hands of the same wolves (Wall St, MSM, etc) and the cabal that has it now.

They are the 1%, and they and their money own this country and both Parties. Average Americans have seen their standard of living decline for most while it has climbed for this 1%. Our wars are not about defending America, they are about profiteers and other counties just as are all our trade policies.

#244 | Posted by Robson at 2014-01-29 09:34 AM | Reply | Flag:

240: I'd say Hillary is even more likely to sell out (well, already has).

#245 | Posted by pragmatist at 2014-01-29 09:39 AM | Reply | Flag:

Remsberg was shamelessly used as a political pawn to convince (just like other parades and ceremonies) more young Americans to go off and die in wars for the profiteers and other countries. Ultimately it is so all of these elites surrounding him can accumulate money and power while safe and secure in America.

#246 | Posted by Robson at 2014-01-29 09:45 AM | Reply | Flag:

246: Every guest should realize he/she is a prop in political theater.

#247 | Posted by pragmatist at 2014-01-29 09:52 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Had a big disappointment last night. No mention of TPP nor net neutrality. Everything else the President said is meaningless if in the end he is going to support and sign TPP and the end of the internet as we know it today will be over without net neutrality. Good bye to the broad spectrum of news sources, opinion, etc. We now know Obama is selling out but we still haven't heard from his heir apparent Hilary Clinton and, quite honestly, I don't think we will."

Who is this REALLY!? This is certainly NOT our beloved danni of the Danni Institute of Political Science and Economics.

#248 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-01-29 10:28 AM | Reply | Flag:

"I'd say Hillary is even more likely to sell out (well, already has)."

Wow...is there a virus going around amongst all our little "progressive" pals? Next thing we'll maybe see Corky bashing Empress Hillary too.

#249 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-01-29 10:35 AM | Reply | Flag:

"We now know Obama is selling out but we still haven't heard from his heir apparent Hilary Clinton and, quite honestly, I don't think we will."

Hillary is a strong advocate of TPP, Danni. She probably isn't going to talk about it except behind closed doors with the Carlyle Group, et al.

#250 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-01-29 10:37 AM | Reply | Flag:

#240 | POSTED BY DANNI
Had a big disappointment last night. No mention of TPP nor net neutrality.

But he did mention it.... happy now?

Let's do more to help the entrepreneurs and small business owners who create most new jobs in America. Over the past five years, my administration has made more loans to small business owners than any other. And when 98 percent of our exporters are small businesses, new trade partnerships with Europe and the Asia-Pacific will help them create even more jobs. We need to work together on tools like bipartisan trade promotion authority to protect our workers, protect our environment and open new markets to new goods stamped "Made in the USA."
www.washingtonpost.com

#251 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-01-29 10:45 AM | Reply | Flag:

"CBS News has compiled a breakdown of what the president wants to do in 2014, and whether he'll need Congress to do it."

"Others have lists of Pinocchios from the speech. These lists seem to get longer and longer. Included, of course, we got the "new math" version of the great sign-ups in ObamaCare.

"Obama: "Already, because of the Affordable Care Act, more than 3 million Americans under age 26 have gained coverage under their parents' plans. More than 9 million Americans have signed up for private health insurance or Medicaid coverage:"

But the Medicaid category includes more than just those signing up "because of the Affordable Care Act." As Marilyn Tavenner, administrator of the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services, said in announcing that 3.9 million "learned they're eligible" for Medicaid or the Children's Health Insurance Program in October and November: "These numbers include new eligibility determinations and some Medicaid and CHIP renewals." So not everyone was a new enrollee who gained Medicaid coverage because of the law. Some of the Medicaid numbers reported by the states included those renewing their already existing coverage.

Also, Obama didn't claim that all of those signing up for coverage had been uninsured, and, in fact, we know that not all of them were. For instance, members of Congress and their staffs signed up for exchange plans, as required by the law, instead of continuing to get coverage through the program for federal employees."

www.usatoday.com

www.washingtonpost.com

#252 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-01-29 10:49 AM | Reply | Flag:

249: If you were to actually read my posts, you'd know that I am not a Hillary supporter and have not gotten a "virus."

251: Yep, I caught that, too. Wotta jerk.

#253 | Posted by pragmatist at 2014-01-29 10:50 AM | Reply | Flag:

Here is your net neutrality......

Last year, I also pledged to connect 99 percent of our students to high-speed broadband over the next four years. Tonight I can announce that with the support of the FCC and companies like Apple, Microsoft, Sprint, and Verizon, we've got a down payment to start connecting more than 15,000 schools and 20 million students over the next two years, without adding a dime to the deficit.
(Same link)

Don't think this "down payment" isn't going to come with a cost....

#254 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-01-29 10:51 AM | Reply | Flag:

"But he did mention it.... happy now?"

I missed that but now I am more unhappy.

"We need to work together on tools like bipartisan trade promotion authority to protect our workers, protect our environment and open new markets to new goods stamped "Made in the USA."

Does anyone honestly believe TPP will do any of the things he says in that sentence? I know I don't. Americans will regret they day they didn't loudly demand an end to the secret negotiations for TPP, Barrack Obama will regret the day he sold out the American worker.

#255 | Posted by danni at 2014-01-29 10:59 AM | Reply | Flag:

#253 Prag,

This is why I think he's a jerk...

"Women deserve equal pay for equal work." - Obama

This document provides the names, titles, and salaries of 454 of Obama's workers. While women at the Obama White House earned median annual salaries of $60,000 last year, the equivalent remuneration for their male colleagues was some $71,000 -- roughly 18 percent higher.
http://www.nationalreview.com/
corner/295875/stop-obama-s-
war-women-staffers-deroy-
murdock

Get your own house in order... pun intended....

IMO

Just focus on finishing your ------ website and STFU. #SOTU -- Gavin McInnes (@Gavin_McInnes) January 29, 2014

#256 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-01-29 10:59 AM | Reply | Flag:

"If you were to actually read my posts, you'd know that I am not a Hillary supporter and have not gotten a "virus."

No??? I've seen posts where you said you were going to vote for her if she's nominated. Knowing that you have NEVER voted for anything but a democrat nominee for president, I merely applied logic to compute the odds for 2016. kinda puts you in the same category as Corky, doesn't it? Wellll, maybe not with quite as much ardor and lust...:-)

#257 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-01-29 11:00 AM | Reply | Flag:

Global stocks were hammered last Friday for a second straight day on news of a slowdown in China and turbulence in emerging markets. The Dow Jones Industrials suffered its worse drubbing in more than two years, tumbling 318 points on Friday to end a 490 point two-day rout. Emerging markets currencies were whipsawed by capital flight as foreign investors fled to the safety of U.S. Treasuries. Turkey's lira and the Argentine peso were particularly hard hit setting record lows in the 48 hour period.

The Fed's QE policy has pumped nearly $7 trillion of foreign funds into emerging markets since it was launched in 2009. All the liquidity that was created did not grow the American economy, instead it went to Asia and other emerging markets. These capital inflows caused emerging market currencies to appreciate, creating more asset bubbles.
For more than four years, the Fed has buoyed stock prices and increased corporate margins through massive injections of free cash into the financial markets. Now the Central Bank wants to change the policy and ease its foot off the gas pedal. What started as a selloff in emerging markets could snowball into a broader panic that could wipe out the gains of the last four years.

The Federal Reserve is entirely responsible for this new wave of financial instability. (Mike Whitney)

#258 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-01-29 11:07 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Obama didn't mention Snowden got nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize. Hmmmm...

#259 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-01-29 11:17 AM | Reply | Flag:

"The Fed's QE policy has pumped nearly $7 trillion of foreign funds into emerging markets since it was launched in 2009...
The Federal Reserve is entirely responsible for this new wave of financial instability. (Mike Whitney)"

QE3 has "tapered down" and the Fed is ONLY "pumping" $75 BILLION per month now. That's only almost a TRILLION dollars this year.

"Last month, nodding to a strengthening labor market, policymakers decided to trim the monthly purchases of U.S. Treasuries and mortgage-backed securities to $75 billion monthly, from $85 billion."

#260 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-01-29 11:27 AM | Reply | Flag:

The number of people now getting free stuff
Outnumbers the people paying for the free stuff.
Oh wait... gotta go... my SOCIAL security check just deposited... WHO HOOOO FREE STUFF! Hasta Banana.

#225 | POSTED BY AFKABL2 AT 2014-01-28 11:52 PM | FLAG:

#238 | Posted by 726 at 2014

aha ha ha ah

LOL

#261 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-01-29 11:28 AM | Reply | Flag:

HE WANTS equal pay for women

hey I agree with that...

WHITE HOUSE WOMEN WORKERS MAKE about 12 grand LESS than men

and the ignorant DOPES cheered wildly...either they're ignorant of that fact or they don't care....

#262 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-01-29 11:29 AM | Reply | Flag:

Had a big disappointment last night. No mention of TPP nor net neutrality. Everything else the President said is meaningless if in the end he is going to support and sign TPP and the end of the internet as we know it today will be over without net neutrality. Good bye to the broad spectrum of news sources, opinion, etc. We now know Obama is selling out but we still haven't heard from his heir apparent Hilary Clinton and, quite honestly, I don't think we will."

Who is this REALLY!? This is certainly NOT our beloved danni of the Danni Institute of Political Science and Economics.

#248 | Posted by jestgettinalong at

ha ha...every now and then she's shocked or something back into reality...OR she is female after all..and haven't you ever been strung along by a female only LATER to have your manhood cut out...

hee heeeee....nice going my florida friend...

#263 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-01-29 11:32 AM | Reply | Flag:

-Hillary is a strong advocate of TPP,

Link or Stink.

#264 | Posted by Corky at 2014-01-29 11:32 AM | Reply | Flag:

256: Yes, he should. But are all those women getting shortchanged, as in earning less for the same job? IOW, what does "median salary" mean here? Is it possible that there are more men in positions that offer higher salaries by virtue of the position? If so, there might be an issue, but it's not a pay-equality issue.

257: If that's what you took from my explanations, then you're not reading closely. Nominate Huntsman and I won't vote for Hillary... Voting for her because she's better than the Republican nominee is not the same as saying she's not a sellout. In every thread about Hillary in which I've commented, I have said, with ardor but no lust :), that I hope we do not see her as the nominee. Corky seems to actually like her and respect her.

As for NEVER voting for a nominee who wasn't Democratic, right, in my eyes, the Dem was always better than the Repub. Though I didn't always live in a swing state, so I could have voted third-party in some of those elections and felt good about it. But then, I didn't necessarily know and believe then as I do now.

#265 | Posted by pragmatist at 2014-01-29 11:39 AM | Reply | Flag:

It is a sad reflection on the current state of the American government when the only way a President can make people confident that anything will be achieved is by promising to sidestep Congress every chance he gets.

#266 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-01-29 11:42 AM | Reply | Flag:

-Corky seems to actually like her and respect her.

Corky thought she should have gone first, because she would have been tougher on the GOP, Obama second. Corky had it backasswards, apparently.

If she doesn't run the chances of having a Republican Pres to rubber stamp the radical Rep House is infinitely greater at this point.

I'd like to see someone else become as electable as her for the Dems, but I'm not holding my breath.

#267 | Posted by Corky at 2014-01-29 11:47 AM | Reply | Flag:

"If that's what you took from my explanations, then you're not reading closely."

I do read closely, Prag, that's why I can separate the wheat from all the chaff.

"In every thread about Hillary in which I've commented, I have said, with ardor but no lust :), that I hope we do not see her as the nominee." Tell the truth though, you "lust" just a little, right? C'mon, make Corky jealous.

I like to get right to the root of things, Prag...the odds are that you're voting democrat AGAIN, Hillary or not! It's almost as sure as the sun rising in the East. You know, I'd like to see Manchin, or someone like him, get the democrat nomination...then I would feel like we would be all right regardless of which candidate won.

"As for NEVER voting for a nominee who wasn't Democratic, right, in my eyes, the Dem was always better than the Repub."

Even in 2012??? You REALLY believe Obama is superior to lead in economics, job creation, and a myriad of other categories, than Romney might have been?

#268 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-01-29 11:59 AM | Reply | Flag:

"al qaida is on the run and osaman bin laden is dead"

"AL QAIDA IS ON THE RUN AND OSAMA BIN LADEN IS DEAD"

last night....

"The fact is, that danger remains. While we have put al Qaeda's core leadership on a path to defeat, the threat has evolved, as al Qaeda affiliates and other extremists take root in different parts of the world."

liar !

#269 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-01-29 12:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

It is a sad reflection on the current state of the American government when the only way a President can make people confident that anything will be achieved is by promising to sidestep Congress every chance he gets.

#266 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-01-29 11:

yeah okay...and I'm sure you're smart and quick and intellectually honest enough...EVEN THOUGH you left it out...that obama on more than one occasion even previous to last night has stated clearly that he was not going to negotiate with the republicans....

#270 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-01-29 12:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

"You REALLY believe Obama is superior to lead in economics, job creation, and a myriad of other categories, than Romney might have been?"

The absolute last thing we need is a President who outsourced jobs in his business life.

"I'd like to see someone else become as electable as her for the Dems, but I'm not holding my breath."

I would be fine with Hillary but first I want some straight talk from her about economic policies and getting tough with Wall St. Presently she seems to be willing to take too much Wall St. money and that means she will represent them before us.

#271 | Posted by danni at 2014-01-29 12:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

"she would have been tougher on the GOP"

Agreed with that, but come on, man, you've been a BIG fan of hers since the primaries in 2008...

"I do read closely, Prag, that's why I can separate the wheat from all the chaff."

And yet you don't see the difference between voting for her because she's not as bad (in my eyes) as the other guy and supporting her. Hm.

"the odds are that you're voting democrat AGAIN, Hillary or not! It's almost as sure as the sun rising in the East."

Correct. Unless the sun rises in the West and the GOP nominates someone reasonable and intelligent. I have been very consistent about this. It does not mean that I can't say Hillary is a sell-out.

"You REALLY believe Obama is superior to lead in economics, job creation, and a myriad of other categories, than Romney might have been?"

I didn't speak to those. I don't discuss macroeconomics; I know my limits. I lurk. But Romney would have allowed the GOP to do EVERYTHING they wanted. To me, that made Obama the better choice. Different perspectives, Jest. Just because you don't agree doesn't make me wrong, and vice versa.

Btw, who's Manchin? I am intrigued by your comment about being "all right regardless of which candidate won." (And don't be snarky. I don't do a lot of side research on political folks who could be candidates but aren't. Just think of it as a chance to teach me about someone interesting and maybe to show me that we could have common ground or a discussion that's not rhetorically loaded.)

#272 | Posted by pragmatist at 2014-01-29 12:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

GREAT tweet from M malkin..

swig everytime he refers to 'washington' as if he's been in des moines last 5 years'

come on..that's funny no matter how radically extremist liberal whacko you are..

lol

#273 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-01-29 12:18 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

"al qaida is on the run and osaman bin laden is dead"

I prefer the statement someone made after the speech when he said, "Al Quaeda is surging and an American ambassador is dead."

#274 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-01-29 12:21 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"GREAT tweet from M malkin.."

Oh she was a big hit on Bill Maher's show the Friday before last. Hahahahaha! YOu should find it on the internet. Hilarious.

#275 | Posted by danni at 2014-01-29 12:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

Hillary being a boss...

www.youtube.com

#276 | Posted by Corky at 2014-01-29 12:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

danni danni danni...

you're going to HAVE to find SOMETHING to help relax you....

wink wink

#277 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-01-29 12:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

FIVE points from last nite's ...what was that again???

townhall.com

#278 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-01-29 12:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

Women are better organized politically than men. This is a long standing tradition going back more than a hundred years and the women's suffrage movement, during which they gained the right to vote and in some cases equal property rights denied them when our nation was founded. That battle is still open when you see all male panels discussing women's health and rape issues. Their claims of unequal pay are exaggerated, primarily because women are generally unwilling to take equal risks on the job than men. Higher risks equate to larger paychecks.

#279 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-01-29 12:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

-Hillary is a strong advocate of TPP,

Link or Stink."

I've already done that on another thread. Go find it yourself.

#280 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-01-29 12:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

"The absolute last thing we need is a President who outsourced jobs in his business life."

Obama's cronies have been doing it all along and are STILL doing it. The only reason he hasn't done it himself is probably because he has never owned or been in charge of anything to OUTSOURCE and has NEVER HAD A "BUSINESS LIFE." Do you not see how silly this comment is?

"Btw, who's Manchin?"

Former senator and present governor of WV.

"I didn't speak to those. I don't discuss macroeconomics; I know my limits."

Just use some common sense and a little logic then. We had a former community organizer with absolutely no experience in economics, business, or leadership opposed to a candidate with a lot of business experience, who had hired and led employees, knew economics, was a governor that reduced the MA deficit by $3 billion and who led the rescue of the 2002 Olympics. Duhhhh

#281 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-01-29 12:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

#280

Ah, I see. So it's either a lie or someone's opinion, not her endorsing TPP.

Figures.

#282 | Posted by Corky at 2014-01-29 12:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

Two Norwegian lawmakers say they have jointly nominated former NSA contractor Edward Snowden for the 2014 Nobel Peace Prize.

Socialist lawmakers Baard Vegard Solhjell, a former environment minister, and Snorre Valen said Wednesday the public debate and policy changes "in the wake of Snowden's whistleblowing has contributed to a more stable and peaceful world order."

Definitely a better choice than Kissinger or Obama.

#283 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-01-29 01:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Ahead of the fall 2011 Asia Pacific Economic Forum (APEC) meeting in Hawaii, then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton outlined a plan to transfer U.S. military, diplomatic, and economic resources from the Middle East to the Pacific, in what she called "America's New Pacific Century." Describing the pivot in militaristic terms as "forward-deployed diplomacy," Clinton hailed the TPP as a "benchmark for future agreements" leading to "a free trade area of the Asia- Pacific.""

#284 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-01-29 01:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

They just keep chanting the same BS over and over. Obama said...

"Today, women make up about half our workforce. But they still make 77 cents for every dollar a man earns. That is wrong, and in 2014, it's an embarrassment."

Valid studies say otherwise...

"There is clearly a wage gap, but differences in the life choices of men and women -- such as women tending to leave the workforce when they have children -- make it difficult to make simple comparisons.
Obama is using a figure (annual wages, from the Census Bureau) that makes the disparity appear the greatest. The Bureau of Labor Statistics, for instance, shows that the gap is 19 cents when looking at weekly wages. The gap is even smaller when you look at hourly wages -- it is 14 cents -- but then not every wage earner is paid on an hourly basis, so that statistic excludes salaried workers.
In other words, since women in general work fewer hours than men in a year, the statistics used by the White House may be less reliable for examining the key focus of legislation pending in Congress -- wage discrimination. The weekly wage is more of an apples-to-apples comparison, but it does not include as many income categories.
Economists at the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis surveyed economic literature and concluded that "research suggests that the actual gender wage gap (when female workers are compared with male workers who have similar characteristics) is much lower than the raw wage gap." They cited one survey, prepared for the Labor Department, which concluded that when such differences are accounted for, much of the hourly wage gap dwindled, to about 5 cents on the dollar."

www.washingtonpost.com

#285 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-01-29 01:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

you forgot the link

fpif.org

That was 2011, not the same TPP under discussion now.

#286 | Posted by Corky at 2014-01-29 01:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

Clinton speech promoting TPP - November 17, 2012

www.youtube.com

#287 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-01-29 01:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

"That was 2011, not the same TPP under discussion now."

lol. That was the good TPP, not the bad TPP? Is that your story? You expect anyone to believe it?

#288 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-01-29 01:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

#287 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

Why do you want to argue with Corky? Do you not know he's the premiere Hillary expert on all the DR? If he says "she didn't do it," then she didn't do it.

#289 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-01-29 01:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

#288

Cool, you progressed to 2012. It's 2014 now, though, and fast-tracking TPP is the big question, as there will be some kind of trade agreement.

As far as I know, she hasn't taken a position.

But it doesn't matter. As long as there is a barn to kick down, with no alternative plan for it, there'll be a jackass to do the kicking. (apologies to Mr Sam)

#290 | Posted by Corky at 2014-01-29 01:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

246: Every guest should realize he/she is a prop in political theater.

#247 | Posted by pragmatist at 2014-01-29 09:5

WELL ONLY if it's a leftists extremists radical that's being USED...when it's NOT, well...let's just say that TODD gave up his 'objective' title LONG ago but he manages to KEEP proving he has NO BUSINESS in that business...

newsbusters.org

#291 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-01-29 01:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

"lol. That was the good TPP, not the bad TPP? Is that your story? You expect anyone to believe it?"

That was the intent of the TPP which I am sure Obama and Clinton are quite sincere about but the end result will be economic disaster for the United States. The other countries involved will be hardly able to keep from laughing at any future signing ceremony while pompous American politicians see themselves as great leaders doing great things for the world.

#292 | Posted by danni at 2014-01-29 01:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

"as there will be some kind of trade agreement. "

As long as corporatists are in charge, unfortunately that's true. Hillary's husband sold out America with free trade agreements and she will do the same. But if the treaty goes down Carlyle Clinton will claim she was against it all the time. You can take that to the bank.

#293 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-01-29 01:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

281: "I didn't speak to those." Why do I have to repeat myself. But I will: "But Romney would have allowed the GOP to do EVERYTHING they wanted. To me, that made Obama the better choice. Different perspectives, Jest. Just because you don't agree doesn't make me wrong, and vice versa." If I wanted to discuss economics, I would, but only after I schooled myself more deeply and could mount a decent argument. Romney's resume is what it is; fine. I'm not willing to predict what he would have done, and there is hardly a unanimous understanding of where we are and where we're headed economically anyway.

"WELL ONLY if it's a leftists extremists radical that's being USED...when it's NOT, well...let's just say that TODD gave up his 'objective' title LONG ago but he manages to KEEP proving he has NO BUSINESS in that business..."

I don't know who "TODD" is, but I chose my words carefully. Read it again, and then stop responding to me and making it about lefties vs. righties 'cause I sure didn't: "Every guest should realize he/she is a prop in political theater."

#294 | Posted by pragmatist at 2014-01-29 01:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Our wars are not about defending America, they are about profiteers and other counties just as are all our trade policies."

About the wars I agree with you but not about the trade policies. I believe our "great leaders" believe themselves to have the job of leveling the living standard of the world and they are doing it not so much by raising up the foreign workers standard of living as much as they are doing it by lowering ours. I believe they think that by doing this they will create a safer world less likely to engage in war between nations. I believe that these leaders are giving away the store in a wrong headed attempt to be, so called, world leaders. In the end the corporations are writing the treaty which will make it almost impossible for us to protect labor, the environment, etc. because even nations will be under the thumb of the international corporations for whom profit is God.

#295 | Posted by danni at 2014-01-29 01:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

"But Romney would have allowed the GOP to do EVERYTHING they wanted."

Even with Reid and the democrat senate. I don't know what deep crevices of your brain you pull these "definite" ideas from. And I suppose the bypassing of legislations and writing "executive orders< flies OK with you?

I'm not willing to predict what he would have done,..."

Are you consuming alcoholic beverages today, Prag? You just DID predict what he would have done in your first statement above.

"...and there is hardly a unanimous understanding of where we are and where we're headed economically anyway."

Damn near unanimous...63% say the country is on the wrong path and 74% say the country is still in recession. Where in hell do you come up with this --------- anyway?

www.pollingreport.com

www.pollingreport.com

Read it again,..."

Is THAT your standard response to everybody or just to afkabl and me? In light of this post you might want to go back and read again what you wrote.

#296 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-01-29 02:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

"But Romney would have allowed the GOP to do EVERYTHING they wanted."

Even with Reid and the democrat senate. I don't know what deep crevices of your brain you pull these "definite" ideas from. And I suppose the bypassing of legislations and writing "executive orders< flies OK with you?

I'm not willing to predict what he would have done,..."

Are you consuming alcoholic beverages today, Prag? You just DID predict what he would have done in your first statement above.

"...and there is hardly a unanimous understanding of where we are and where we're headed economically anyway."

Damn near unanimous...63% say the country is on the wrong path and 74% say the country is still in recession. Where in hell do you come up with this --------- anyway?

www.pollingreport.com

www.pollingreport.com

Read it again,..."

Is THAT your standard response to everybody or just to afkabl and me? In light of this post you might want to go back and read again what you wrote.

#297 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-01-29 02:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

Just the usual expected rhetoric, is anyone surprised of anything he uttered?

#298 | Posted by MSgt at 2014-01-29 02:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Even with Reid and the democrat senate."

You're presupposing a Romney win. I don't see how Romney would have won but the Senate would have stayed democratically controlled. It wasn't how the trending went.

"And I suppose the bypassing of legislations and writing "executive orders< flies OK with you?"

If he's breaking the law, no. If he's acting within his rights as president, well...

"Are you consuming alcoholic beverages today, Prag? You just DID predict what he would have done in your first statement above."

Well, yes, sorry. Bad wording. I feel confident in predicting his weakness in following the party. I don't feel confident in predicting his ability to turn around an economy, given the numerous other factors involved. You're allowed to feel otherwise; the difference is, I won't insult you for feeling/thinking otherwise.

"Damn near unanimous...63% say the country is on the wrong path and 74% say the country is still in recession. Where in hell do you come up with this --------- anyway?"

If you listen to actual humans, you hear very different sets of feelings and understanding. You like polls when they suit you, eh? I don't heed polls.

"Read it again,..."
Is THAT your standard response to everybody or just to afkabl and me? In light of this post you might want to go back and read again what you wrote."

Only when someone clearly doesn't understand. Why are you defending Afk? He made my political-prop comment about ideology when it clearly was not: "EVERY guest."

#299 | Posted by pragmatist at 2014-01-29 02:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

you don't know who TODD is....really??

I thought the clip said his whole name

BUT NOW WE SEE that he's ALSO a plagarist...or at least the teleprompter is

chicksontheright.com

#300 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-01-29 02:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

My standard response? That's funny. Yours is "progressive" waaa waaa wwaaa and Barack[faux Roman naming].

My feeling and belief is that Obama was better for the reasons I cited. That you want to make it solely about the economy is your issue. I was very clear about why I believe that Obama was better in my eyes. In. My. Eyes. Deal with it. You can simply back away gracefully, you know. Not every exchange has to be a fight.

#301 | Posted by pragmatist at 2014-01-29 02:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

300: I didn't look at the link. If I looked at every link... And most of the time, I don't care to watch videos: I'm at work or it takes too much time anyway. I much prefer transcripts; I think every site that posts a video should post a transcript with it. Let consumers choose which route to take. (Yes, I know that takes time and therefore money. I'm an idealist. :) )

#302 | Posted by pragmatist at 2014-01-29 02:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Even with Reid and the democrat senate. I don't know what deep crevices of your brain you pull these "definite" ideas from."

Something Pragmatist didn't mention as a reason to vote against Romney....Supreme Court appointments. This country cannot afford any more corporatists who will keep making decisions like Citizens United.

#303 | Posted by danni at 2014-01-29 02:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

""Damn near unanimous...63% say the country is on the wrong path and 74% say the country is still in recession. Where in hell do you come up with this --------- anyway?"

That doesn't however translate to Romney would have been a better President. It doesn't even mean that Obama is too liberal, many believe he isn't liberal enough. Most Americans know by now though that they are tired of trickle down economics and unfettered free trade.

#304 | Posted by danni at 2014-01-29 02:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

though that they are tired of trickle down economics and unfettered free trade.

#304 | Posted by danni at 2014-01-29 02:59 PM | Reply

It sure hasn't worked under Obama. He sure has helped the 1%ers at the expense of the middle class more then any other POTUS I can remember. Remember, Danni; lesson #1 for you is not to listen to rhetoric----always look at the results.

#305 | Posted by matsop at 2014-01-29 03:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

MSU Iowa?

#236 | Posted by sawdust at 2014-01-29 07:45 AM | Reply

You got it.

#306 | Posted by matsop at 2014-01-29 03:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

This site is unreal, listen to all these lefties give Obama a pass by justifying he would be better than some other rightie.

It is amazing they have not figured out that this isn't about some other it is about Obama.

#307 | Posted by moneywar at 2014-01-29 03:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Supreme Court appointments."

That was indeed part of what I was getting at when I referred to other factors.

"This site is unreal, listen to all these lefties give Obama a pass by justifying he would be better than some other rightie."

I hope you weren't speaking to me; I was giving no one a pass. Jest and I were talking about voting patterns. While I am unhappy with Obama on many fronts, and ready to criticize him when those topics come up, I do not regret my votes in 2008 and 2012. That is not giving a pass.

And btw, righties exhibit the behavior you excoriate too.

#308 | Posted by pragmatist at 2014-01-29 03:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

"It sure hasn't worked under Obama. He sure has helped the 1%ers at the expense of the middle class more then any other POTUS I can remember. "

Short memory. Obama let income tax rates go back up to 39% and raised capital gains to 20% (still unfairly low) but George Bush cut tax rates to 35%. So now, who treated the 1% the best? Also, who really bailed out the banks? Obama or Bush?

#309 | Posted by danni at 2014-01-29 03:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

"This site is unreal, listen to all these lefties give Obama a pass by justifying he would be better than some other rightie."

That is not even true. He was elected because of health care reform, getting out of Iraq, ending torture, quite a few things.

#310 | Posted by danni at 2014-01-29 03:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

He sure has helped the 1%ers at the expense of the middle class more then any other POTUS I can remember.

#305 | Posted by matsop

He's used the tools that he's been able to use.

#311 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2014-01-29 03:46 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

More important business for Obama:

A petition urging President Obama to deport Canadian pop star-turned-bad-boy Justin Bieber had racked up more than 10,000 signatures, which means the White House is required to issue an official response.

"We would like to see the dangerous, reckless, destructive, and drug abusing, Justin Bieber deported and his green card revoked," the petition says.

Read more: Deport Justin Bieber: White House Must Respond to Petition | TIME.com newsfeed.time.com

#312 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-01-29 04:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

"My feeling and belief is that Obama was better for the reasons I cited."

You mean your "feeling" when you said that "Romney would have allowed the GOP to do EVERYTHING they wanted. To me, that made Obama the better choice."

GOOD THINKIN' and logic, Prag! THAT is what made you "feel" Obama was the better choice? You sound kinda like some of the women who voted for Kennedy back in the day because they liked his hair.

"My. Eyes. Deal with it. You can simply back away gracefully, you know. Not every exchange has to be a fight."

Back away? From what? There's no fight, just disbelief that you're this ignorant. Your "lyin" eyes, LOL...you "see," but you don't really believe or comprehend what it all means. You don't wanna believe the shape of the country so you gobble up the "progressive" media and the BS from Obama, Hillary, Eric Holden et al. You're just part of the Obama base which thinks we're on the RIGHT track...LOL.

"I didn't look at the link. If I looked at every link... And most of the time, I don't care to watch videos: I'm at work or it takes too much time anyway. I much prefer transcripts;..."

HA...as many "transcripts" and printed numbers I've linked for you, you STILL wanna believe the tripe from this White House and their sycophants. I know you directed this to Afkabl but you've said pretty much the same to me at times.

"If you listen to actual humans, you hear very different sets of feelings and understanding. You like polls when they suit you, eh? I don't heed polls."

When 73% of the population believes we're still in a recession, that means nothing to you and you don't heed it? Well, that figures. Typical Obama sycophant "progressive." Here's a list of several hundred polls, ALL saying the country is on the wrong track going way back. None of that means anything to you? You know, there's an old saw that says, "If a person calls you a jackass, ignore it. If a big majority are calling you a jackass, you should go look for a saddle." You and Divus Barackus Miraculus need to get shopping, Prag, because you both are surely acting like jackasses. AND, I don't "like" these polls because they "suit" me, Corky...er...I mean Prag. Like the great majority of the nation, I agree with their assessment and I certainly take no pleasure in them. Just take a look at them, multiple polls, multiple pollsters over a long period of time. Then, don't believe your "lyin'" eyes or ANY of those polls and come back and tell us what's REALLY true, OK?

www.realclearpolitics.com

#313 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-01-29 04:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

For all his outrageous faults Obama was still a better choice. Anyone living in Utah that is not a member of the Church that openly runs the State understands this.

#314 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-01-29 05:23 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

I don't gobble up any media, progressive or otherwise. Sorry to burst your balloon there, pal. I watch no TV news (except an occasional link someone sends me), and I take in a smorgasbord of website textual content (and the occasional video).

"Divus Barackus Miraculus": Ah, more faux-Roman fun. Your best was still Obummus Caesar. Stick with the successful, man.

"I know you directed this to Afkabl but you've said pretty much the same to me at times. "

I love how you missed the entire point of my exchange with Afk. One more time: I said EVERY guest is a prop in political theater. EVERY. I was criticizing Obama's use of "guests" last night AND any other invited guests, now and in the past, left and right. Afk turned this into some weird partisan crap, when I was criticizing BOTH sides (which I do quite often, btw). Now if you're talking about "Read it again," right, that's what I said BECAUSE HE APPARENTLY DIDN'T GET IT. And when you don't get my point, I say it to you, too. It's not about agreeing; it's about understanding. If someone is going to infer something I didn't mean or assert something I didn't mean, I'm either going to ask them why they are inferring or asserting such a thing, or I'm going to tell them to try again. Gee, sounds like DR behavior to me. It's hilarious that you think I'm the only one who does it.

I WILL NOT argue the economy with you or anyone. There are plenty of posters here who will happily match you link for link and point for point; I will not. I indicated some reasons for finding Obama a better choice and I noted that we should accept that we disagree, and you wanted to have a different conversation. I'm not interested, thank you. That doesn't make me ignorant or stupid; it makes me wiser than many speakers who pontificate about crap they don't even understand. I won't do that; I know my limits.

As for "no fight," utter bull excrement. You continuing to come at me and call me ignorant, foolish, blind, etc.--that's asking for a fight. I. Am. Not. Interested. Take it up with someone who is.

How did the snow and cold treat you last night?

#315 | Posted by pragmatist at 2014-01-29 07:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

uh./.yeah...

could you run that by us again...

:)

#316 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-01-29 08:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

so I've watched CBS for some time today...in between donating blood, working the lunch line at the homeless shelter, helping minority kids with math, picking up litter so the city employees could take a longer lunch AND reading to the blind...

and NOT ONE MOMENT of the sotu stuff was LEFT OUT...

gee wilikers....they left out SEVERAL MINUTES of ted cruz pointing out FACT AFTER FACT about this abuse of power by America's FIRST dictator..

#317 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-01-29 09:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

First? You use the word "dictator" on this guy, and then modify it with "first"? Ye gods.

#318 | Posted by pragmatist at 2014-01-29 09:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

there has never been a potus who has shown and even admitted that he will not follow the constitution or the balance of powers as this guy has...and you know it too...

but let me show you one of the most ACCURATE pics from last night...

because you have to agree..THAT IF HE IS going to do whatever he wants....oh wow..yeah buddy THAT"S The mark of a constitutionalist..NOT !!!

then this pic is correct..even dems will be worthless AND irrelevant..

scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net

#319 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-01-29 09:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

side note...just finished sycamore row...last 50 was a little easy to figure out...but definitely grissam's best in some time...

about to start....'memory keeper's daughter"..have you read that yet?

#320 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-01-29 09:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

Me, I'm still waiting for the results of his laser 'like' focus on jobs that he cited years ago… maybe he should use something more that a AAA battery to energize his laser.

#321 | Posted by MSgt at 2014-01-29 09:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

was it ABC that did a report on how nothing he talked about last year came about....course we both know WHY that's the case..

those gosh darn republicans.....

but that's all right..according to him, all he needs is a pen, a phone and as we know..a media and democrat base that simply doesn't care what he does.

#322 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-01-29 10:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

He didn't say he'd do whatever he wants; he said "So wherever and whenever I can take steps without legislation to expand opportunity for more American families, that's what I'm going to do." I love how critics turn that into "dictator." (And I knew they would as soon as I heard him say it. And I'm pretty sure that if an R president said that in response to an obstructive Dem party, you'd be going, "Awesome! How can we help?") How about instead of kneejerk reactions, you look at enumerated powers? What CAN a president do, Constitutionally, without legislation? Is doing things without legislation necessarily un- or anti-Constitutional? I haven't looked; have you? A reasonable person would consider and explore, not assume. But you know, folks who just love the guy without question assume he's all good and folks who decry his every move assume he's a force for evil. I stand here somewhere in the middle, asking the reasonable question. Get back to us when you've looked up what powers a president has to effect change without legislation.

Oh, and btw, I'll criticize him on one thing right now, just to blow some minds: He's full of excrement when it comes to education. "About teaching kids how to think," my a--. You and your buddy Arne, Mr. President, are all about standardized testing; and your Race to the Top initiative is garbage.

Grisham, Afk? John, the lawyerly writer? I've read two by him: great ideas badly executed, both. Never read Memory Keeper's Daughter. For modern fiction, my favorite authors are Chabon, Russo, Kingsolver, and Erdrich.

321: Hey, that was pretty funny.

#323 | Posted by pragmatist at 2014-01-29 10:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

#300 Obama plagiarized Bush's 2007 State of the Union Address . . . I see it and I just can't believe it. But there it is.

#324 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-01-29 10:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

as the words say...THESE MEN are about to be called..
from the site...

Now, I already know what liberal progressives, and worst of all liberal blacks, are going to say -- "these are nothing but a bunch of sellout, Oreo, Uncle Tom, token conservative Negroes."

allenbwest.com

#325 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-01-29 11:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

This many posts on a thread about a nothing speech?
Obama is done, except for the next six decades of college professors and journalists telling us he was as great as...Woodrow Wilson? Carter?

#326 | Posted by Diablo at 2014-01-30 02:50 AM | Reply | Flag:

325: You're like the necessary polar opposite to those people who immediately cry "Racism!" at any criticism of Obama. You cry "They're gonna call us racist!" every time. Both you and they are silly.

326: What's funny is that my posts, for one, had nothing to do with the speech (which I think was mostly lame).

324: Intriguing. Link? I hope it's about "I'll do what it takes about legislation" (loose quote). It would be damned funny if an anti-Obama person were to show Afk the error of his ways...

#327 | Posted by pragmatist at 2014-01-30 06:10 AM | Reply | Flag:

Hey, Prag; give it up and turn off the lights on this worthless thread.

#328 | Posted by matsop at 2014-01-30 07:21 AM | Reply | Flag:

Just the same old same old. Nothing new class, warfare, here is a novel idea, why not help the poor so they can WORK to increase their income? WOW! what a novel idea. Rather than pay them more than their worth or pay them to sit at home, why not help them improve thier skills, why not give them the opportunity to learn and raise their income level the same way most of the rich did, by working hard?

#329 | Posted by gtjr at 2014-01-30 10:14 AM | Reply | Flag:

As long as this government and the segment of society that supports it continues to 'promote incentives' to keep people from really working and just taking a handout, it will never change... over the years, it seems that an 'acceptance' to be lazy, shiftless and irresponsible has become a rule rather than exception and to suck off the government teat is perfectly OK... also, that those who do work hard and accumulate 'the American way' should pay those for the privilege of being irresponsible... many tags and labels and excuses are thrown out to cover up the support of the majority of these people by partisan supporters of the WH... there should be programs of accountability and responsibility for these people to continue to suck off the government instead of trying to build a 'voter base' by giving them more benefits for nothing... this is a very sick time for our economy and government, which is driving this country further down the pipe..!!!!

#330 | Posted by drsoul at 2014-01-30 10:50 AM | Reply | Flag:

328: Right on. Give the same advice to all contributors, eh? : )

329, 330: Same guy?

#331 | Posted by pragmatist at 2014-01-30 11:36 AM | Reply | Flag:

"I don't gobble up any media, progressive or otherwise. Sorry to burst your balloon there, pal. I watch no TV news (except an occasional link someone sends me), and I take in a smorgasbord of website textual content..."

"Website textual content?" HuffPo? MediaMatters? Maybe MoveOn. LOL...if you actually read a little basic economics and followed someone like Dr. Ben Carson regarding ObamaCare, for example, to pick up some FACTS instead of relying upon elitist, pin-headed academicians, you'd gain something from the outside world and not be restrained to all the school influence.

"I love how you missed the entire point of my exchange with Afk."

Yeah, I always miss your "points," Prag. Maybe you should state your "points" in less than 1000 words and describe them with less waffling language. After all, you're not writing the Great American Novel here. You know, kinda like when I say, "Obama was the furthest left senator before becoming president." You wanna disbelieve and discuss all the data I provide in links. THEN, you accuse me...and others...of missing your "point."

"It's not about agreeing; it's about understanding."

Well, yeah...kinda like when we get to discussing things like the Great Society and the War on Poverty, it becomes obvious you DON'T understand their results and it becomes frustrating to even HAVE a discussion. If you truly understood, you'd almost have to have SOME agreement. Let me make my "point" clear on that subject." The "War on Poverty" has wasted trillions of dollars and is an abject failure! How's that for a clear "point?" clear?

#323-You do realize, don't you that his going around legal signed legislation with "executive orders" like he does is a violation of the Constitution, don't you? His fiat (www.merriam-webster.com) changing of the immigration laws, the ObamaCare laws and the rights of religious freedom have been discussed. forever. And NO...I would not clap if a conservative proposed it.

"What CAN a president do, Constitutionally, without legislation? Is doing things without legislation necessarily un- or anti-Constitutional? I haven't looked; have you?"

Ahhhh...YOU look it up, Prag, it's obvious you don't know and I'm surprised you don't know....in spite of all the written opinions and discussions over a very lengthy time. He cannot use executive orders to CHANGE legally passed and signed legislation. He can seek to have CONGRESS make changes. he can change some things but not those. He can, however, change a rule regarding HOW the law is to be observed. For instance, he can order that illegals who have been arrested must be held in El Paso instead of San Diego. He CANNOT write an executive order that they are not to be arrested at all contrary to what the law says. He cannot grant exemptions and arbitrarily change dates in the healthcare law either. Be sure to look up the definition of fiat in the link above.

"You and your buddy Arne, Mr. President, are all about standardized testing; and your Race to the Top initiative is garbage."

GREAT! POINT MADE! I got it, Prag! No doubt at all where you stand on that point. Do that some more. :-) Oh, and I don't think Obama is a dictator although he wants to be. However, he IS "devine" as Pelosi has recognized by telling us he was(...sent by God to lead us.) I have now recognized it, thus he is the Divus Barackus Miraculous to me now. He must be, he can change most anything thing with just the stroke of a pen, right?

#332 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-01-30 12:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

325: You're like the necessary polar opposite to those people who immediately cry "Racism!" at any criticism of Obama. You cry "They're gonna call us racist!" every time. Both you and they are silly.

326: What's funny is that my posts, for one, had nothing to do with the speech (which I think was mostly lame).

324: Intriguing. Link? I hope it's about "I'll do what it takes about legislation" (loose quote). It would be damned funny if an anti-Obama person were to show Afk the error of his ways...

#327 | Posted by pragmatist at 2014

HUGE DIFFERENCE..........when we talk about racial attacks on minorities, its very rare that we don't have words and actions to back it up, where conversely the other side just says we're racists and it's automatically thought to be true. FOR INSTANCE the grand daddy of them all.....you don't like what obama does, you're a racist, and that simply is not true. never has been nor will it be in the coming LONG couple of years.
are there people who are racist when it comes to obama, well of course, but the left seems to think that they're incapable of being racist at all and that, as well gets a 'of course'...

#333 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-01-30 12:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

AND ONE OTHER THING....just as those men in the video and other examples..

I guess I could ask some here but it must be really disheartening for a black man, for instance, or woman to have an education and being a success and having people of your own color and who also became successful under, perhaps, more stressful situations...to have the other people call them names like this and denigrate their accomplishments using the SAME sort of stereotypes and abuse that they all have suffered through in the first place.

#334 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-01-30 12:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

"HuffPo? MediaMatters? Maybe MoveOn."

None of the above. MoveOn now pisses me off, officially. I think I've read three things on HuffPo. And Media Matters only in relation to media studies. There ya go, assuming again.

"Yeah, I always miss your "points," Prag."

Not always; only when I observe that you have. And instead of yelling, just show that you did understand what was meant or ask for clarification.

"when we get to discussing things like the Great Society and the War on Poverty"

I have never discussed either with you. I read it, find it interesting, don't have enough knowledge or gumption to go there. And yes, your point was very clear; in that case, it always has been.

"You do realize, don't you that his going around legal signed legislation with "executive orders" like he does is a violation of the Constitution, don't you?"

You do see that I was asking questions, not asserting, don't you? I know what I don't know, and I'm generally open about it. If you'd rather talk with someone who asserts stuff on matters they don't understand, seek elsewhere. And every comment you made on this topic was in response to a direct question to someone else. You weren't ranting about the "without legislation" comment; Afk was. So I was asking him.

"Do that some more. :-)"

Ha. I do it all the time, though. When I have a very clear stand, I state it. When I'm questioning, unsure, or interested in back-and-forth (which you seem to think is waffling), I speak differently. You see, I believe in being open and listening when one doesn't know and hasn't done enough research to take a firm stand. And you know, that's my right. There's no rule that says I have to be certain of a stance or I have to bluster BS when engaging in DR conversation.

333: (sigh) You missed it, at least judging by the response you offered: You went off, imagining someone would call you racist, before anyone had done so. That's just as kneejerk as those who call "Racist!" at any criticism of Obama.

Anyway, let's see what happens if I offer my opinion on the actual speech: Obama's SOTU 2014, except for the last 20 minutes, was utterly weak and mostly devoid of substance. It also wasn't the good oratory for which he was once known. The last 20 minutes approached more stirring, passionate oratory, but the play to the wounded veteran was cheap and absurd. In fact, the military pandering made me sick, and some of the other pandering was almost equally offensive. It's important to talk about new paradigms in warfare and defense, but why can't we do so without nonsensical "patriotic" appeals?

Of course, I didn't come here to engage in deep analysis of the speech--I know too well where that will get me--but writing the paragraph immediately above sure was fun (and honest).

#335 | Posted by pragmatist at 2014-01-30 12:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I guess I could ask some here but it must be really disheartening for a black man, for instance, or woman to have an education and being a success and having people of your own color and who also became successful under, perhaps, more stressful situations...to have the other people call them names like this and denigrate their accomplishments using the SAME sort of stereotypes and abuse that they all have suffered through in the first place."

Agreed. But there's plenty of disheartening behavior to go around in the realm of politics. It's inane and insulting to others' intelligence (and perhaps to your own) to pretend that only Dems or liberals are guilty of it.

#336 | Posted by pragmatist at 2014-01-30 01:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

#332

Right on the money, I can remember in high school being taught the constitution sets up three distinct branches. The congress writes the laws. The president enforces the laws, not pick and choose which ones he likes to be enforced, and the judicial interprets the law. Pretty simple. While there is no provision for presidents to change law passed by congress they have been allowed to make changes that DO NOT AFFECT law passed by congress. Obummer is trying to circumvent that stipulation in the constitution.

The weak kneed republicans just sat around while he did this hoping he would not do more, now they are going to need to go to the judicial system to limit the presidential powers. Otherwise you end up just like Germany did, with someone that takes over the government. Or perhaps they are in cahoots with the administration and want that power when they take the white house, I would not rule that out.

We should ideally have a process that fast tracks a serious constitutional question to the supreme court, or the court should look at serious challenges and decide if it needs to be heard immediately rather than streching it out for years.

A good example is making appointments when the senate is not in recess. Constitution is pretty clear about this and it should have been heard immediately rather than the years it has taken to get to the Supreme Court.

#337 | Posted by gtjr at 2014-01-30 01:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Of course, I didn't come here to engage in deep analysis of the speech--"

Thank God! :-)

"Anyway, let's see what happens if I offer my opinion on the actual speech: Obama's SOTU 2014, except for the last 20 minutes, was utterly weak and mostly devoid of substance. It also wasn't the good oratory for which he was once known. The last 20 minutes approached more stirring, passionate oratory, but the play to the wounded veteran was cheap and absurd. In fact, the military pandering made me sick, and some of the other pandering was almost equally offensive. It's important to talk about new paradigms in warfare and defense, but why can't we do so without nonsensical "patriotic" appeals?"

I didn't watch it, but then, I haven't watched one for several decades. From what I've read and clips I've seen, I think your analysis is pretty accurate. I can certainly tell you the pandering, especially the military pandering didn't go well with groups of which I'm a life member, like the VFW and American Legion. I GET THE POINT, Prag...you think the SOTU sucked! Right? :-)
That's why I never watch them. Much better to watch Discover or National Geograpic channels.
You made me proud, Prag! I always knew I could count on you. :-)

#338 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-01-30 01:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

338: Now you're makin' me laugh. See here: you got the point 'cause I made it in 102 words. I should just Tweet you from now on. Heh heh.

Do those groups of which you're a life member get just as upset with Republicans who perform the same kind of pandering? That sort of pandering happens among far too many politicians, not just this president. And of course, I know you meant the chapters of the groups of which you're a life member. I mean, you wouldn't speak for the entire VFW, would you? Heck, that would be like me speaking for the entire NEA... Heh heh.

Oh, and I have watched almost every SOTU since probably 2000. Yep, Bush too. Political theater--sometimes they're entertaining. I don't have cable, so I can't watch those channels. But my time would be better spent watching Breaking Bad or Sherlock or Being Human. But those are all shows I watch with my wife...

#339 | Posted by pragmatist at 2014-01-30 02:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Do those groups of which you're a life member get just as upset with Republicans who perform the same kind of pandering?":

I actually can't think of any I might have seen any doing any "pandering." That's not to say none ever have. I think any vet would probably be able to tell what's genuine and what's not. If you've ever seen any shots of Bush with active military and vets, he's not "pandering" at all anything near to what Obama does. In fact, they actually love Bush. He frequently still shows up at airports and surprises returning troops. He also knew Navy "Corpsemen" weren't corpsemen but were members of a medical corps. Remember the bicycle rides with wounded vets at his ranch? In terms of the military, a world of difference between the two...and I'm speaking as a twenty-year vet.

"And of course, I know you meant the chapters of the groups of which you're a life member."

I speak with many vets, members and non-members. I belong to other organizations such as this one with thousands of members too navy.togetherweserved.com and I log on several times a week. I still visit, speak to and exchange email with many of the guys with whom I served. ONE voted for Reagan both times and then G.W. He started voting democrat with Clinton and then Obama...still never could say why. Probably had something to do with the fact his wife and daughter were teachers, members of the AFT. He passed away a year and a half ago and I can't think of any others right now. Once in a while I run across a "progressive" vet but that's rare, believe me. There are probably more here on the DR than in the whole First Marine Division. Ask yourself why it seems like there's always a problem with democrats and the absentee ballots for the military? I think they would be a lot more diligent if they thought most were "progressive" voters.

"Heck, that would be like me speaking for the entire NEA..."

Well, I know you DON'T...you're much too conservative for them.

"But my time would be better spent watching Breaking Bad or Sherlock or Being Human."

Breaking Bad was great! I don't know the other two. There's one out now, House of Cards, that is excellent too. Wife has been watching, Lilyhammer the last week, but it's a little too goofy for me so here I sit. Going to Atlanta tomorrow to see grandkids & great-grandkids for birthdays, mine and the great-grandson's, and to watch Super Bowl. Might help this cabin fever I'm starting to develop. Mailman even made it today so I'm sure we can get out tomorrow.

#340 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-01-30 05:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Well, I know you DON'T...you're much too conservative for them."

That was AWESOME.

Not done with Breaking Bad. I find it harder and harder to watch, but we'll finish it soon. House of Cards Season 1 was great for 7 or 8 eps, then took a turn I didn't buy; but I'll watch the second season. I liked Lilyhammer Season 1 a great deal; I've seen maybe two of the second season, and they're taking it even more over the top--not sure how long they can milk the concept, but it has its charms.

Sherlock is stories of Holmes set in the present, starring Benedict Cumberbatch as Sherlock and Martin Freeman (of Hobbit and Hitchhiker's Guide) as Watson--very clever, great camera and some gimmicks that work. Being Human is a tale of three 20something roommates, who just happen to be a werewolf, a vampire, and a ghost--again, very clever British TV. I recommend both, but one needs a fairly high blood tolerance for Being Human, and again, I think the first three seasons are the best.

#341 | Posted by pragmatist at 2014-01-30 05:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I recommend both, but one needs a fairly high blood tolerance for Being Human, and again, I think the first three seasons are the best."

I can take the "blood" if it's done in context and without the slow motion over and over. I think the vampire and werewolf would be over the top too and I'm sure the wife won't even consider watching it. Another we both really like a whole lot is Hell on Wheels. It's history based on the building of the railroad from east to west, I think they're going through the Wyoming territory right now. The actors are great and everything entirely credible. We both can't wait to get the next season. She buys the the DVDs for the whole season on EBay when it's available, we watch them, then she resells them. We got addicted years ago with The Sopranos and watched all the seasons, except the last season, one after the other over several months. One bad storm we watched eleven hours in one day. We refer to that Winter as the "Winter of the Sopranos." LOL. Boardwalk Empire is also great and the 4th season comes out soon.

#342 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-01-30 06:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

Winter of the Sopranos. I like it. Great show too. Being Human isn't for everyone, but it's quite clever: the characterizations are great, and there's an underlying mythology/epic story to it. I've not seen Boardwalk Empire yet. So many shows, so little time. With little kids and time demands of the job, we have limits. Plus, Mrs. Prag is an "early to bed, early to rise" person.

#343 | Posted by pragmatist at 2014-01-30 06:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I've not seen Boardwalk Empire yet."

Based on factual history with real characters. I like that kind of stuff better than just pure fiction.

"Mrs. Prag is an "early to bed, early to rise" person."

Actually, I am too. Those early hours from 6 to 9, where I can watch any special things I recorded the night before and read, are my favorite time of the day. I also just finished, "Killing Jesus" (absolutely excellent) and have started the last John Grisholm ( I forgot the title.) I get lots of books for Christmas. Mrs. Jest sleeps in every morning before she gets up and starts tasking me, ha.

#344 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-01-30 06:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Actually, I am too."

Yes, but you don't have small children and you are retired...

"Based on factual history with real characters. I like that kind of stuff better than just pure fiction. "

In books, too? If so, read Dorothy Dunnett's Lymond Chronicles: Lymond is utterly fictional, but the context is historical and many of the supporting characters are from history (Marie de Guise, mother of Mary, Queen of Scots; Suleiman...). And they're damned well-written.

#345 | Posted by pragmatist at 2014-01-30 06:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'll be perfectly honest. Obama's state of the union speech sounded eerily familiar with the SoU speech in 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2013. Same BS, same beneficiaries, different time.

#346 | Posted by Robson at 2014-01-30 08:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

346: Isn't that true of most presidents, at least in recent history. Well, maybe Bush's went from "We gotta take the fight to them!" to "We took the fight to them!"

#347 | Posted by pragmatist at 2014-01-31 08:07 AM | Reply | Flag:

"this is a very sick time for our economy and government, which is driving this country further down the pipe..!!!!"

When conservatives are willing to discuss closing tax loopholes for international corporations then, and only then, will we on the other side take anything they say seriously.

#348 | Posted by danni at 2014-01-31 08:30 AM | Reply | Flag:

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