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Tuesday, January 28, 2014

Americans increasingly are placing personal privacy ahead of being kept safe from terrorists, according to a new Associated Press-GfK poll. More than 60 percent of respondents say they value privacy over anti-terror protections, a slight increase from a similar poll in August.

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Poll Results

What's more important?

Security, 1 votes (3.57%)
Privacy, 27 votes (96.43%)

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Privacy is a form of security, but there is no truth to the statement the other way. Just think about financial records for instance.

Meanwhile, even if put in place under a competent, trustworthy, and benevolent regime, the tools justified for safety are unfortunately the same used to maintain totalitarian governments.

Last of all, remember - you're already eight times more likely to be killed by a cop than a terrorist. We should maybe be dealing with bigger threats rather than bogeymen.

#1 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2014-01-27 10:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

I support privacy and as a corollary gun ownership.

#2 | Posted by Diablo at 2014-01-27 11:29 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

One thing that people never mention is that NSA spying is going to kill American businesses in the exact sector where we currently enjoy the greatest advantage - internet and information technology. Nobody is going to want to have their data stored on US servers or even deal with US companies.

#3 | Posted by Sully at 2014-01-28 03:39 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"Poll: Americans Value Privacy over Security"

What do you suppose the results would be after - God forbid - another 9/11?

#4 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2014-01-28 03:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's a fake question. Giving up privacy isn't making us more secure at all.

Americans are far more likely to be hit by lightning than a terrorist attack.

They are stealing our privacy to guard us against a threat that barely exists. It would make more sense to destroy privacy to protect us from car crashes or heart attacks.

Terrorism just provides the spy agencies the excuse to have power over everyone. If you know everything about everybody, you can blackmail anybody. If you can blackmail anybody, you can eliminate rebellious charismatic figures of change, squash revolutions before they start, and intimidate anyone from ever sticking their neck out against the powerful.

Our response to the "threat" of terrorism has done more to destroy america than actual terrorism has. By far.

#5 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-01-28 03:50 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

This is the thread where the regulars conveniently forget that it was "conservatives" who insisted we needed the Patriot Act so "Bush could Keep you Safe", after he failed to keep you safe.

I won't even mention the names they called other Americans who objected at the time.

The thing I really want to know now is; when is the house majority vote scheduled to repeal it?

#6 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2014-01-28 04:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

our government also believes in privacy over security...

in other words, they want our privacy to be securely within their hands.

#7 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-01-28 04:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

Though well intentioned, it is kind of a stupid question. When the enemy is banging down the door, security is more important than privacy. Most other times it is privacy that is more important than security. The answer always revolves around the question of how immediate a threat is there.

#8 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-01-28 04:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

the sheeple deserve neither.

-uncle Ben

#9 | Posted by AuntieSocial at 2014-01-28 04:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

This is the thread where the regulars conveniently forget that it was "conservatives" who insisted we needed the Patriot Act so "Bush could Keep you Safe", after he failed to keep you safe....
#6 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses

Bears repeating.

#10 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2014-01-28 04:27 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"The answer always revolves around the question of how immediate a threat is there."

we're more than 12 years past 9-11-01.

#11 | Posted by eberly at 2014-01-28 04:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

Todays security threats seem to be political.

#12 | Posted by wisgod at 2014-01-28 04:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

nerf's maxim: the more insecure the people are, the greater the perceived security threat.

#13 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-01-28 04:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Bears repeating."

actually, it should be "Repeating Bear". You know...Chief's cousin.

#14 | Posted by eberly at 2014-01-28 04:35 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 3

LOL!

#15 | Posted by wisgod at 2014-01-28 04:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

Is Corky the lone vote for "security?"

#16 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-01-28 04:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

Really? Did I post on this thread?

Or is yours made of straw?

It's mostly drama queens who think it is an either/or question.

#17 | Posted by Corky at 2014-01-28 05:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

One does not have to post on a thread to vote in a poll, just so people know.

#18 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-01-28 05:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's mostly drama queens who think it is an either/or question.
#17 | Posted by Corky

Most of the drama comes Chicken Littles who are so terrified since 9/11 they've abandoned all pretense of reason.

Of course this presumes they possessed the capacity for rational thought in the first place, which may be granting them too much credit.

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-01-28 05:39 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

Is Corky the lone vote for "security?"

#16 | Posted by snoofy

Do you even have too ask?

#20 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2014-01-28 05:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's all about privacy until planes start falling out of the sky.

#21 | Posted by Sycophant at 2014-01-28 05:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

"It's mostly drama queens who think it is an either/or question."

Exactly. Situations should dictate actions. There should be NO blank checks for government spying. Especially on America's own citizens.

#22 | Posted by bogey1355 at 2014-01-28 05:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

This is the thread where the regulars conveniently forget that it was "conservatives" who insisted we needed the Patriot Act so "Bush could Keep you Safe", after he failed to keep you safe....

It's also the thread where retards like you pretend that Obama hasn't signed off on extensions of the same bill, lauding the purported effectiveness of the Patriot Act.

On topic, I'd like to see proof that the NSA has stopped even one terrorist attack. Perhaps less snooping on Angry Birds might have netted the Tsarnaev brothers.

#23 | Posted by JOE at 2014-01-28 06:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

What do you suppose the results would be after - God forbid - another 9/11?

Implying those who voted didn't experience 9/11.

Try again.

If anything, experiencing another 9/11 at this point would only prove how ineffective the NSA is, and make people even less inclined to support it.

#24 | Posted by JOE at 2014-01-28 06:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated..."

When faced with an irrational fear like that of terrorism, nothing seems "unreasonable."

Reason is incompatible with the irrational nature of fear itself.

There was a President who said as much. Of course he also rounded up the ---- for fear of terrorism. Go figure.

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-01-28 06:13 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

-Most of the drama comes Chicken Littles who are so terrified since 9/11 they've abandoned all pretense of reason.

About half of it comes from Chicken Littles who are so terrified since Snowden they've abandoned all pretense of reason.

Many of whom still think the NSA listens to their phone calls.

#26 | Posted by Corky at 2014-01-28 06:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

About half of it comes from Chicken Littles who are so terrified since Snowden they've abandoned all pretense of reason.
Many of whom still think the NSA listens to their phone calls.
#26 | Posted by Corky

Do you think Angela Merkel was being irrational when she said to Obama "This is like the Stasi."
Yes or no.

#27 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-01-28 08:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Do you think Angela Merkel was being irrational when she said to Obama "This is like the Stasi."

She's a puritopian, possibly an anarchist.

#28 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-01-28 08:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

What do you suppose the results would be after - God forbid - another 9/11?
#4 | POSTED BY DOC_SARVIS

Nuke Iran!

#29 | Posted by Ray at 2014-01-28 08:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

#27

I think Germany was a sieve of intel peaks prior to 911, as do many analysts, and am glad we listened in there.

Which has nothing to do with the NSA listening to your phone calls.

Much like Snowden releasing that intel to China and Russia had nothing to do with domestic spying.

Some people here remind me of all the '60's radical anti-establishment types, of which I was one.... in high school.

#30 | Posted by Corky at 2014-01-28 08:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

Which has nothing to do with the NSA listening to your phone calls.

Who ever said the topic of this discussion is "how I feel about the NSA listening to my phone calls?"
Oh, right, you did in #26, "Many of whom still think the NSA listens to their phone calls."
You're arguing with your own strawman.
I wonder if you realize that.

#31 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-01-28 09:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'm not surprised by the poll, people are just realizing our own government and "protectors" pose more of threat to the US population on a day to day basis than any terrorist group.

#32 | Posted by BGMacaw at 2014-01-28 10:42 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Dick Cheney dreamed and wrote about the need for a Pearl Harbor like event to provide the Neocons a rational for their imperialist agenda. When it happened on his watch the Neocons pulled a rabbit out of their hat, the Patriot Act, every bit as long as Obamacare, yet supposedly "drafted" in two weeks. By comparison Obamacare took more than three years to write with the private health insurance sector afforded the greatest voice. Its reminiscent of the single sentence quietly inserted in the Federal Reserve's Charter which legalized their bailout of criminal Bakers in 2008. Most of the bailout money went to Banks which had never been a part of or paid a penny into the FDIC system.

#33 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-01-29 09:45 AM | Reply | Flag:

In case you haven't noticed there is degree of commonality in the backgrounds of those that are pushing for an ever more powerful and intrusive security state, as well as those pushing for gun control and the disarming of Americans.

It is not hyperbole to state that the ADL and others have attempted, but have failed to convince most Americans that it should be illegal or politically incorrect to discuss or re-investigate 9-11, using an absurd paranoid claim of anti-semitism. No one or no country should be excluded in a 9-11 investigation as was the case based upon published evidence on 9-11 that was subsequently covered up.

Re-investigating and analyzing historical events or crimes using the latest available technologies should be standard procedure, even if it is 9-11 or the Holocaust. An attempt to muzzle such discussion is anti-science and very suspicious opposition to the potential of more accurate historic revision. www.adl.org The best theories come Abe rather than Alex.

#34 | Posted by Robson at 2014-01-29 12:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

One thing that people never mention is that NSA spying is going to kill American businesses in the exact sector where we currently enjoy the greatest advantage - internet and information technology. Nobody is going to want to have their data stored on US servers or even deal with US companies.

#3 | Posted by Sully

The technology companies (even though they are essentially all multinational) now see that they will pay the piper in this, and are pushing back against govt. international spying. They are not however pushing back on spying on Americans, because they have us by the bxxxx and they probably profit from it.

It will be interesting to see how long it takes fickled Americans etc to wake up to the destruction of our most precious possession - privacy, and not just by government but by "free" social media. We're discovering that free is never free, just as in trade. Americans recognize now that free trade was a political gimmick to redistribute wealth and jobs from Americans and give to CEOs, bankers, China and Walmart.

#35 | Posted by Robson at 2014-01-29 12:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's a fake question. Giving up privacy isn't making us more secure at all.

#5 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

You got that right.

#36 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-01-29 01:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

This is the thread where the regulars conveniently forget that it was "conservatives" who insisted we needed the Patriot Act so "Bush could Keep you Safe", after he failed to keep you safe....
#6 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses

Bears repeating.

#10 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

Except for the fact that you overlooked............ It wasn't a "conservatives" thing........... it was the mainstream republicans deal.

#37 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-01-29 01:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

Many of whom still think the NSA listens to their phone calls.

#26 | Posted by Corky

Another strawman.

They have recorded all of them and can pull them up anytime they want to. They have a record of every call you have made, who to, how long, and where both of you were at the time. Like I said, they have it all and it is available tgo them when they want it.

#38 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-01-29 01:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

-They have recorded all of them

You're nuts. Nothing new there. They have, on some calls, time, length and numbers, but recording all phone calls? Pleeeze.

#39 | Posted by Corky at 2014-01-29 01:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

They have, on some calls, time, length and numbers, but recording all phone calls? Pleeeze.
#39 | Posted by Corky

Tell it to Angela Merkel.

#40 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-01-29 01:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

Wow, Merkel a victim of domestic spying. Imagine that.

#41 | Posted by Corky at 2014-01-29 02:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

The complete data set is mined and listened to selectively. Corky does not understand the scale of the spy station across from Camp Williams, Utah. An AT&T employee first revealed the interception of all their cell phone calls back in 2000. AT&T was not alone in this crime which Congress forgave them for retroactively and unconstitutionally.

#42 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-01-29 03:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

Corky has been in IT for decades and was familiar with data mining when it was new.

The post was "-They have recorded all of them"

Which is nonsense. The content of all phone calls is not recorded.

#43 | Posted by Corky at 2014-01-29 03:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

That's not what the AT&T whistleblower says.

#44 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-01-29 04:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

#44

My aunt Alice agrees with him, so he must be right.

#45 | Posted by Corky at 2014-01-29 04:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

These polls have to be wrong cause CBS says America wants to jail snowden for telling about Obama and his privacy breaches.

#46 | Posted by moneywar at 2014-01-29 04:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

but recording all phone calls? Pleeeze.

#39 | Posted by Corky

WTF do you think they need that monster facility in utah for?

#47 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-01-29 04:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

#47

Hey, you actually said something relevant! ... do I hear trumpets and crowds cheering?

Contrary to NC's claim, the guy said they were developing a facility that "must" be for nefarious spying purposes, but never claimed, as you did, that the content of all phone calls are being monitored.

That's a paranoid fantasy.

#48 | Posted by Corky at 2014-01-29 04:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

To store all those phone numbers, they don't care what is being said they just want phone numbers according to corky.

#49 | Posted by moneywar at 2014-01-29 04:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

#49

When you figure out the difference between collecting phone numbers and recording the content of calls, get back to us.

#50 | Posted by Corky at 2014-01-29 04:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

When you figure out the difference between collecting phone numbers and recording the content of calls, get back to us.
#50 | POSTED BY CORKY

Yeah what difference does it make....

That's a paranoid fantasy.
#48 | POSTED BY CORKY

Or hearsay, until a Republican is President...

#51 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-01-29 04:50 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

If you are going to raise the rent for me living in your head, Mackris, at least turn on some lights.

And if someone needs to be the one to explain the difference between phone numbers and content of calls to you.... we'll send out for a 5 year old.

#52 | Posted by Corky at 2014-01-29 04:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

Another strawman.

They have recorded all of them and can pull them up anytime they want to. They have a record of every call you have made, who to, how long, and where both of you were at the time. Like I said, they have it all and it is available tgo them when they want it.

#38 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-01-29 01:19 PM

I don't know for certain but I agree on your supposition. They don't listen to them, but they have the content and a dossier on each of us. When and if the time comes they want to use it against anyone of us or politicians or others it is available. Most of us are not worth their time but others may be a useful tool.

#53 | Posted by Robson at 2014-01-29 08:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

This is the thread where the regulars conveniently forget that it was "conservatives" who insisted we needed the Patriot Act so "Bush could Keep you Safe", after he failed to keep you safe....
#6 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses

Bears repeating.

#10 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

I haven't forgot and it is why I was never a Bush neocon. He was a corporatist and a neocon and never a real conservative. I believe Buchanan as a paleocon would have been a credible American President and far better for the USA than those we've had since 2000. 9-11 would not have occurred under his watch because he would not have responded as a neocon.

#54 | Posted by Robson at 2014-01-29 08:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

=I believe Buchanan as a paleocon would have been a credible American President

Talk about losing all credibility in one sentence.

I'm not sure I've ever seen that accomplished so completely before.

Ever.

#55 | Posted by Corky at 2014-01-29 10:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

They have, on some calls, time, length and numbers, but recording all phone calls? Pleeeze.
#39 | Posted by Corky

If by "some calls" you mean "124.8 billion phone calls, about 3 billion of which originated within the United States" -- per month -- then you might be on to something. www.thenewamerican.com

My guess is you'll stick with your weasel words, since you clearly don't want to face the music on this issue.

#56 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-01-30 09:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

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