Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Monday, March 18, 2013

Gallup: Ten years have passed since the United States and its allies invaded Iraq, and it appears the majority of Americans consider this a regrettable anniversary. Fifty-three percent of Americans believe their country "made a mistake sending troops to fight in Iraq" and 42 percent say it was not a mistake. Although majorities or near-majorities have viewed the conflict as a mistake continuously since August 2005, the current 53 percent is down from the high point of 63 percent in April 2008.

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"and 42 percent say it was not a mistake."

In other words, 42 percent still are either diehard muslim haters or too stubborn and pigheaded to admit they were wrong.

#1 | Posted by kamakiri at 2013-03-18 12:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

Only 53%?

#2 | Posted by TheTom at 2013-03-18 12:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

Some know it was a mistake but have just not got to the point of admitting they were wrong yet. Some will go to their graves still pretending to believe we needed to invade a country that never attacked us. Hell, some still can't admit Vietnam was a mistake.

#3 | Posted by danni at 2013-03-18 12:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

Remember the Maine!

#4 | Posted by danni at 2013-03-18 12:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

Some will go to their graves still pretending to believe we needed to invade a country that never attacked us.

And many more will go to their graves believing we needed to kill people with drones in countries that never attacked us.

#5 | Posted by goatman at 2013-03-18 12:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

In other news, %42 spent most of their formative school years staring into their extra-chromosomal pee-pee holes instead of listening to their teachers.

#6 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2013-03-18 12:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

No one could have predicted we would not be met with flowers and chocolates.

-the current 53 percent is down from the high point of 63 percent in April 2008.

How soon people forget.

#7 | Posted by Corky at 2013-03-18 12:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

Shows that even with 20/20 hindsight, 42% are always blind.

#8 | Posted by kanrei at 2013-03-18 12:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

In other news, 42% of Americans call shiny Chinese paint "delicious."

#9 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2013-03-18 12:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

-the current 53 percent is down from the high point of 63 percent in April 2008.
How soon people forget.

#7 | POSTED BY CORKY AT 2013-03-18 12:41 PM |

Not picking a fight, but honest question:

Do you think that 10% switch is because Obama is President?

#10 | Posted by kanrei at 2013-03-18 12:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

"-the current 53 percent is down from the high point of 63 percent in April 2008."

Because they realized Obama was going to get some credit for getting us out of Iraq. They still know it was a mistake to go in though but they can't admit it.

#11 | Posted by danni at 2013-03-18 12:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

At least 5 percent said, "Um, Iraq?"

#12 | Posted by Corky at 2013-03-18 12:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

LOL.

(stoned voice) Naw man, I think you mean Iran...with an N. You said Iraq...with a Q. That was like in the 90's man.

#13 | Posted by kanrei at 2013-03-18 12:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Dave's not here, man!"

#14 | Posted by Corky at 2013-03-18 01:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

I love that song by Bob Segar,"Like Iraq."*

*Thanks Arrested Development for inspiring that.

#15 | Posted by kanrei at 2013-03-18 01:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

Some will go to their graves still pretending to believe we needed to invade a country that never attacked us.

And many more will go to their graves believing we needed to kill people with drones in countries that never attacked us.

#5 | Posted by goatman

Some people still lie to themselves about the root causes of the Civil War. Why wouldn't they like to themselves about this war too? Like CalifChris says...no one wants to admit they went to war for the wrong reasons.

Dick Cheney will never admit that he was wrong and neither will the rest of the die hard rethuglicans and neocons.

The fact is we were lied into this war like so many others before. Some people like to be lied to I guess. Maybe they can't handle the Truth.

#16 | Posted by donnerboy at 2013-03-18 01:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

And many more will go to their graves believing we needed to kill people with drones in countries that never attacked us.

#5 | Posted by goatman

Should we invade and occupy those countries instead?

#17 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2013-03-18 01:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

Should we invade and occupy those countries instead?

According to lefties, no. They never attacked us. I feel the same way.

#18 | Posted by goatman at 2013-03-18 01:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

The fact is we were lied into this war like so many others before. Some people like to be lied to I guess.

#16 | Posted by donnerboy at 2013-03-18 01:28 PM

Like those who believe we have good reasons to linger in Afghanistan, worth every drop of blood spilt.

#19 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2013-03-18 01:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

Should we invade and occupy those countries instead?

#17 | POSTED BY WHATSLEFT

Are those my only options? Kind of a false dichotomy.......

#20 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2013-03-18 01:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

Some people like to be lied to I guess.

If there weren't such people, Obama would not have been re-elected.

#21 | Posted by goatman at 2013-03-18 01:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

Fickled finger of fate! Talk trash about ANYTHING for years to gain political advantage and it will be proven true!

The WMD's shipped from Iraq and currently in Syria are being worried over by the 'interested in living a few more years' world. This, followed closely by the 'Change the subject to something we can control - global warming anyone(?)' world is the major shift in US and world policy over the last few decades.

AH! 'The human mind - something that's changed as a pair of socks would be!'

#22 | Posted by dogen at 2013-03-18 01:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

Okay...okay...libs, you were right. The Iraq war was a mistake. Now what?

#23 | Posted by justanoversight at 2013-03-18 01:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

BTW, 82% of people think the Spanish-American war was a mistake.

#24 | Posted by justanoversight at 2013-03-18 01:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

"The WMD's shipped from Iraq and currently in Syria are being worried over by the 'interested in living a few more years' world."

They were destroyed in Iraq just as the weapons inspectors said they were but who were ignored because that would have eliminated one of the trumped up excuses for invading Iraq. Aluminum tubes anyone? Mushroom cloud?

#25 | Posted by danni at 2013-03-18 01:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

Okay...okay...libs, you were right. The Iraq war was a mistake. Now what?

#23 | Posted by justanoversight

Now we get to spend decades cleaning up the mess.

#26 | Posted by donnerboy at 2013-03-18 01:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

#21

Everyone who didn't vote third party seems to like being lied to. Obama was just re-elected for being the less socially backward liar.

#27 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2013-03-18 01:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

Some people like to be lied to I guess.

If there weren't such people, Obama would not have been re-elected.

#21 | Posted by goatman

And GW Bush would never have been elected in the first place and maybe we wouldn't be lamenting the Big Lie.

#28 | Posted by donnerboy at 2013-03-18 01:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

Now we get to spend decades cleaning up the mess.

#26 | Posted by donnerboy

With the number of Contractors Obama has hired and with what he's paying, that mess should be cleaned up in time for Judge Wapner this afternoon.

#29 | Posted by wisgod at 2013-03-18 01:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

And GW Bush would never have been elected in the first place and maybe we wouldn't be lamenting the Big Lie.

That was your originallly stated premise that I was responding to. Thanks for repeating it for those who didn't pick it up the first time.

#30 | Posted by goatman at 2013-03-18 02:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

The WMD's shipped from Iraq and currently in Syria

#22 | Posted by dogen at 2013-03-18

Don't exist.

#31 | Posted by Zed at 2013-03-18 02:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

Do too.

#32 | Posted by wisgod at 2013-03-18 02:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

Mistake?

#33 | Posted by fribo at 2013-03-18 02:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

"42 percent say it was not a mistake."

That's because they cheered the whole thing on and voted for Bush a 2nd time after it was revealed that he lied about Iraq. And admitting it was a mistake means that they supported the waste of life. Can't admit to that.

They'd kill another 5,000 of our best people before they'd admit to being wrong.

#34 | Posted by Sully at 2013-03-18 02:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

#22, even if they were real, why should we have cared? The Iraqis could barely effectively deliver a scud missile, let alone any real threats to us.

Don't dare say because the world is a better place - it certainly isn't for the hundreds of thousands of "collateral damage" casualties or the magnitudes more surviving their loss. And none of the rest of us in the world can tell a difference, except that our nation is going broke from its unfunded wars.

#35 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2013-03-18 02:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

Are those my only options? Kind of a false dichotomy.......

#20 | Posted by AndreaMackris

No, those are not our only options. Should drones NEVER be an option?

#36 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2013-03-18 02:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

No, those are not our only options. Should drones NEVER be an option?

They shouldn't be be used to kill people in a country that never attacked us.

#37 | Posted by goatman at 2013-03-18 02:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

Funny how our economy is sucking the big dong, any day now we could be at war with North Korea or Iran or both, our healthcare delivery system is a disaster, our public edumacation system is the joke of the world...yet a bunch of smart people here on the DR are still yammering on about WMDs and such. Ah...who gives a fook. I'm gonna go watch Jersey Shore on Hulu.

#38 | Posted by justanoversight at 2013-03-18 02:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

They shouldn't be be used to kill people in a country that never attacked us.

#37 | Posted by goatman>

How naive and simplistic.

It is not countries that are attacking us but criminals within those countries that are attacking us.

One wonders why would you want to take away the major tool that appears to be really working at stopping them? (I didn't say it should not be regulated)

I am sure it has nothing to do with the current resident of the White House. When your boy was in charge I am sure you hooped it up every time it was used.

End the GWOT that Congress is authorizing the President to pursue and you will be able to end this nonsense.

#39 | Posted by donnerboy at 2013-03-18 02:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

End the GWOT that Congress is authorizing the President to pursue and you will be able to end this nonsense.

#39 | Posted by donnerboy at 2013-03-18 02:57 PM

The CinC is the one that can end the GWOT. I don't think Goatman has that kind of authority.

#40 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2013-03-18 03:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

It is not countries that are attacking us but criminals within those countries that are attacking us.

So if an American goes to England and attacks their citizens and returns to the US, England has a right to fly domes over our skies.

Nope. I don't like that and I think we should treat other countries as we expect to be treated.

So has the lefts mantra of "country that never attacked us" morphed into "country who may have a citizen who didn't actually attack the US mainland but attacked a country the US has a military presence in"?

What blazing hypocricy.

When your boy was in charge I am sure you hooped it up every time it was used.

My boy has never been in charge. Is this really your best shot? LOL

#41 | Posted by goatman at 2013-03-18 03:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

So if an American goes to England and attacks their citizens and returns to the US, England has a right to fly domes over our skies.

England has an extradition treaty with us. England would also bring them to justice... no drones required. It is the lawless countries where these criminals are retreating to be beyond the reach of any law that are the problem.

But, you you either knew that or you are hopelessly naive.

#42 | Posted by donnerboy at 2013-03-18 03:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

So has the lefts mantra of "country that never attacked us" morphed into "country who may have a citizen who didn't actually attack the US mainland but attacked a country the US has a military presence in"?

And I do not represent the "left" of anything.

I only represent me.

#43 | Posted by donnerboy at 2013-03-18 03:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

So do you have a problem with another country sending their military aircraft into our skies if we don't have an extradition treaty with them?

You conveniently avoid that issue.

I have a problem with it. So it would be hypocritical to support my country doing it to other countries. So where do you fall? Do you have no problem with other countries lobbing missles at people in the US from their aircraft they feel did them wrong and have no recourse, or are you a hypocrite?

#44 | Posted by goatman at 2013-03-18 03:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

#38 | Posted by justanoversight at 2013-03-18 02:49 PM | Reply | Flag: Tired deflection

#45 | Posted by Sully at 2013-03-18 03:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

So do you have a problem with another country sending their military aircraft into our skies if we don't have an extradition treaty with them?

You conveniently avoid that issue.

I have a problem with it.

I say they should go for it.

#46 | Posted by donnerboy at 2013-03-18 03:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

I say they should go for it.

I guess that means you don't have a problem with it.

I do. I have more respect for my fellow citizens than to give a green light to a foreign power to off them at will. You may get your wish. the Norks may lob one at the west coast one day. When it happens, remember you blessed the event.

#47 | Posted by goatman at 2013-03-18 03:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

guess that means you don't have a problem with it.

I have a problem with all of it. The only way to end this madness is to end the GWOT.

You may get your wish. the Norks may lob one at the west coast one day. When it happens, remember you blessed the event.

#47 | Posted by goatman

Not my wish.

It was also not my wish that we attacked Iraq under the pretense that the "smoking gun would be a mushroom cloud".

If North Korea is foolish enough to attack America with nuclear weapons I cannot stop them.

I am pretty sure they will regret it though. More than we regret attacking Iraq.

#48 | Posted by donnerboy at 2013-03-18 04:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

I am pretty sure they will regret it though

No argument there.

#49 | Posted by goatman at 2013-03-18 04:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

#39 | Posted by donnerboy
End the GWOT that Congress is authorizing the President to pursue and you will be able to end this nonsense.

The perpetual war against anyone, anywhere for any reason authorized by the AUMF is coming to an end with or without Congress or the President for that matter. The authorization targets Al Queda and the Taliban. It has morphed to "associates" and is morphing to "associates of associates." This leads to more and more strained reasoning to fit current targets into the the authorization.

#50 | Posted by et_al at 2013-03-18 04:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'm glad we have pollsters out there covering the important issues of our day, like "whether the Iraq war was a mistake." I wasn't sure what people thought about the Iraq war.

#51 | Posted by JOE at 2013-03-18 04:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

#38 | Posted by justanoversight at 2013-03-18 02:49 PM | Reply | Flag: Tired deflection

#45 | POSTED BY SULLY AT 2013-03-18 03:36 PM | FLAG: So is this entire thread

#52 | Posted by justanoversight at 2013-03-18 04:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

Partisanship aside, it's pretty sad and pathetic that 100% of America doesn't realize the war with Iraq was a mistake.

Whether you were against the war from the beginning, realized there were no WMDs, realized there was no connection between Saddam and Al Qaeda, realized we weren't trying to "spread democracy", realized we were throwing away human lives (American and Iraqi), realized by removing Saddam we opened up the country to Iranian influences, realized its a burden on our economy, realized that China bought all the oil rights under our feet...

This war was a mistake. There's no reason we should of gone there, there's no reason to still lie to yourselves about whether is was a mistake or not.

#53 | Posted by ClownShack at 2013-03-18 04:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

I will admit that I was wrong, not that anyone really gives a crap. When we first decided to invade Iraq, my initial reaction was "why would we do that"...it just didnt make sense to me. Ultimately, as a good conservative (at the time), I figured that some really smart people in Washington must have a legitimate reason to invade Iraq & therefore began to support the cause for war, whatever the justification was from one month to the next. Many, many heated arguments with friends who couldn't understand my perspective ensued, and I doggedly supported the re-election of Bush in 2004.

By the end of 2005, I realized what a mistake the war was. I realized that you need to trust your gut, and not what your political party of choice is feeding you. I was so disgusted with the ongoing attempt to spin the war that I became a registered Independent.

Many people are in the same boat as me on the war, they just are too prideful to admit they were wrong. 53% is not an accurate reflection of how people truly feel about the war. The 42% that think it was the right decision, largely believe that because their party tells them to.

#54 | Posted by CaseyJones at 2013-03-18 04:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

#41 | Posted by goatman

Then what would you suggest as an alternative?

#55 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2013-03-18 05:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

Then what would you suggest as an alternative?

As an alternative to violating the airspace of countries who never attacked us? Is that your question?

#56 | Posted by goatman at 2013-03-18 05:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

As an alternative to violating the airspace of countries who never attacked us? Is that your question?

#56 | Posted by goatman

Where those countries will do nothing about individuals who have attacked us, who reside within their borders? Yes.

#57 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2013-03-18 06:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

Where those countries will do nothing about individuals who have attacked us, who reside within their borders?

The alternative is to stop flying into their airspace and killing people. I don't think anyone should do it to us, either.

#58 | Posted by goatman at 2013-03-18 06:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

Where those countries will do nothing about individuals who have attacked us,

I find it interesting how the left's position has morphed from: "country that never attacked us"to "a country who may have a citizen who didn't actually attack the US mainland but attacked a country the US has a military presence in"?

I understand of course it is blind partisanship working, but nonetheless the hypocrisy of basing policy on party is sickening.

#59 | Posted by goatman at 2013-03-18 06:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

Where those countries will do nothing about individuals who have attacked us, who reside within their borders?
#57 | POSTED BY WHATSLEFT AT 2013-03-18 06:31 PM

We'll Afghanistan them.

And if it's a country that hasn't really done anything at all to us, that we simply want to attack, we'll Iraq them.

or better yet Iran them.

maybe a Yemening.

we have plenty of ways of murdering people around the world.

#60 | Posted by ClownShack at 2013-03-18 06:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

I find it interesting how the left's position has morphed from: "country that never attacked us"to "a country who may have a citizen who didn't actually attack the US mainland but attacked a country the US has a military presence in"?

I don't think I've ever logged in for the sole purpose of of awarding Goatman a Newsworthy flag, but there's a first time for everything. If he'll allow me to substitute the word Democrats' for "left's."

#61 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2013-03-18 06:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

"The alternative is to stop flying into their airspace and killing people."

Bill Clinton was heavily criticized for missing OBL with missiles, OBL had apparently left the area before our missiles arrived. For this, the Bushies tries to blame him for 9-11. Today, if we fail to use the tools we have to take out future OBLs, it will be the same, it will be Obama's fault for a terrorist attack well into some future Republican President's term. It is damned if you do and damned if you don't. I think all future Presidents will come down on the side of taking out terrorists before they have the chance to attack us unless Congress passes legislation preventing them from doing that.

#62 | Posted by danni at 2013-03-18 06:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

For this, the Bushies tries to blame him for 9-11.

To be honest, danni, I never heard anyone blame Clinton until it became a defense mechanism to the democrats (thanks, hagbard) constant hammering on how Bush ignored intelligence, etc. Then they started applying the goose/gander philosophy and began blaming Clinto for his own similar lapses.

#63 | Posted by goatman at 2013-03-18 06:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

It is damned if you do and damned if you don't.

BINGO! danni. If Bush had acted on every one of the hundreds of reports of potential threats, the democrats would have had a fit of his over stepping his bounds.

Now you guys are whining that the same standards are applied to you. My advice: since y'all dealt it out under Bush, deal with it under Obama so at least you don't come across as two-faced whiners.

#64 | Posted by goatman at 2013-03-18 07:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

#59

I find it interesting that you still haven't answered the question, but instead have chosen to assign a position to me that I have never taken.

#65 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2013-03-18 08:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

I find it interesting that you still haven't answered the question,

I did answer the question in post 58.

Try again. It's still up there.

#66 | Posted by goatman at 2013-03-18 08:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

So your alternative for dealing with the individuals in those countries who are attacking the US is to do nothing. Got it.

#67 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2013-03-18 09:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

...the other 47% still think George Bush is a genius and have seen every episode of "Dancing With the Stars" that Bristol Palin was on.

#68 | Posted by e1g1 at 2013-03-18 09:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

So your alternative for dealing with the individuals in those countries who are attacking the US is to do nothing.

I have no alternative. But an anonymous blogger having no alternative is not a carte blanche to violate a sovereign country's airspace -- especially a country that never attacked us. There was a time the left generally thought this way. Then their president broke his campaign promise of hope and change and the left joined right in lockstep with him and now praise him for what they used to condemn Bush for doing.

Sickening. Party over all else for these guys.

#69 | Posted by goatman at 2013-03-18 09:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

The Dixie Chicks were right and Bush/Cheney wrong. Average Americans now think it was a mistake...so do the Iraqis ("the ones we so-called liberated").

The Iraqis still do not have the quality of life that they had before an invasion that caused the deaths of tens, if not hundreds of thousands. The lead up to war was caused by the corruption, traitorous infiltration of our government, and intelligence stupidity (an oxymoron?). An Iaqi was being interviewed by CNN today.

The Iraq War was initiated by AIPAC/Israel, and not for the benefit of the USA or the average Iraqis. Saddam was considered a threat to Israel, not the USA. After all of our sacrifice and efforts we didn't even get any oil.

There are some in the UN who rightfully claim the invasion and the lies that led to it represented a war crime.

#70 | Posted by Robson at 2013-03-18 11:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

Is Commander Codpiece going to commemorate the 10th anniversary of his epic blunder by visiting his favorite landfill?

#71 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2013-03-19 07:55 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Then their president broke his campaign promise of hope and change and the left joined right in lockstep with him and now praise him for what they used to condemn Bush for doing."

Yeah, and then he invaded what country? Meanwhile, here in the US the Republicans are constantly urging him to invade Iran, which would be a catastrophe even larger than the disaster of the Iraq war. Personally, I'm glad he goes after terrorists, wherever they are, with drones instead of troops and I couldn't care less if partisan hacks like you think that somehow demonstrates a break with his campaign promises. He never said he wasn't going to fight terrorists, he never said he wasn't going to defend the United States and all of its interests but he is just doing it in a smarter, less expensive and more humane way than his idiot predecessor.
The same critics, like you, who pontificate about "sovereign nations" would be the first to attack him if any terrorist succeeds in attacking the US and you know it, you almost can't wait for that to happen.
The only funny part of this is that you think you fool anyone about hour intense hatred for this President regardless of what he does or doesn't do.

#72 | Posted by danni at 2013-03-19 08:14 AM | Reply | Flag:

I have no alternative.

Just here to whine, eh?

Now you guys are whining that the same standards are applied to you. My advice: since y'all dealt it out under Bush, deal with it under Obama so at least you don't come across as two-faced whiners.

#64 | Posted by goatman

I don't see anyone whining but you.

You keep on nipping at Obama's coat-tails.

You make a great sore Loser.

#73 | Posted by donnerboy at 2013-03-19 02:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

I don't see anyone whining but you.

Of course you don't

#74 | Posted by goatman at 2013-03-19 02:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Then their president broke his campaign promise of hope and change and the left joined right in lockstep with him and now praise him for what they used to condemn Bush for doing."

Yeah, and then he invaded what country?

#72 | Posted by danni at 2013-03-19 08:14 AM | Reply | Flag

Obama invaded the United States, ever look at your liberties and our out of work economy.

#75 | Posted by moneywar at 2013-03-19 02:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yeah, and then he invaded what country?

#72 | Posted by danni at 2013-03-19 08:14 AM

You won't like my answer, but breaking a soverign nation's airspace and killing people is invading. Therefore, Obama has invaded Pakistan, Libya, Yemen, Ugana, Somalia.

#76 | Posted by kanrei at 2013-03-19 02:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

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