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Kirsch: Ryan Budget Would Kill Thousands

Richard Kirsch: I know you are not supposed to write in hyperbole, but sometimes the truth needs to be told. Paul Ryan's budget, which kills Obamacare and cripples Medicare and Medicaid, would kill tens of thousands of people. Every year. I have trouble with putting policy glosses on proposals that would deny health care coverage to millions of people and make care much more expensive to millions more. Because when more people lack health coverage, more people die. And when health costs prevent people from getting the care they need, they get more seriously ill.

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How many people are we talking about? Estimates of the number of people who will die because they are uninsured vary, from about 500 to 1,000 for every one million who lack coverage.

Repealing Obamacare would block promised coverage for 32 million people, so that would mean somewhere from 16,000 to 32,000 each year who will die prematurely. Of course, since some Republican governors and legislatures are not implementing the expansion of Medicaid coverage in their states, some of those deaths are already on their hands.

Which leads us to the Ryan plan for slashing Medicaid.

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#1 | Posted by Corky at 2013-03-17 01:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

ZPG.

#2 | Posted by MSgt at 2013-03-17 02:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

oh so..the gop is going to pass the law that says an ER has to treat people????? mmm didn't hear about that..

#3 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2013-03-17 02:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

Throw grandma off a cliff?
How original.
Well, lets face it. Scare tactics work on the low information Dem voter base.
If I may suggest sprinkling in some racism and some stuff about how it benefits billionaires. Low information voters eat that stuff up.

#4 | Posted by libertarian_gi at 2013-03-17 04:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

Hey News Flash. You are all going to die.

#5 | Posted by Federalist at 2013-03-17 04:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

Might as well do it for the GOP then, eh?

"Repealing Obamacare would block promised coverage for 32 million people, so that would mean somewhere from 16,000 to 32,000 each year who will die prematurely. Of course, since some Republican governors and legislatures are not implementing the expansion of Medicaid coverage in their states, some of those deaths are already on their hands."

#6 | Posted by Corky at 2013-03-17 04:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

Well if we keep it no one will have coverage when the Government goes bankrupt. Humm. You decide. Or they will have to raise taxes so high that no one will go to work. Same results.

#7 | Posted by Federalist at 2013-03-17 04:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

-when the Government goes bankrupt

Yeah, I hate how that happens all the time. And the CBO says Obamacare will do that, eh?

#8 | Posted by Corky at 2013-03-17 04:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

Anyone who has seriously thought about the philosophy of people like Rand understand that it amounts to: "Oh, well. People die".

With this corollary always present but unstated: "But not people like me. I'm special".

These principles hold as true for their vision of warfare as their concept of social policy.

#9 | Posted by Zed at 2013-03-17 07:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

Anyone who has seriously thought about the philosophy of people like Rand understand that it amounts to: "Oh, well. People die".

As opposed to democrat's who want you to think that life can be rosy and everyone lives forever with unicorns and rainbows and all the margueritas thay can drink and BLTs they can eat?

I opt for reality.

#10 | Posted by goatman at 2013-03-17 07:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

Hey News Flash. You are all going to die.

#5 | Posted by Federalist at 2013-03-17 04:21

Didn't see this previously. My, do I feel vindicated.

Yes, of course, all people die. But I'll bet you dollars to donoughts that its people like Rand who can't get their mind around that concept, not people like me.

Rand is a neo-pagan. Give him and his running dogs a little more power and they'll have the confidence to more openly attack Judeo-Christian values. "More openly" because they've already started that yet deny that they do.

#11 | Posted by Zed at 2013-03-17 07:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

I opt for reality.

#10 | Posted by goatman at 2013

So do I. Because of this is yet another reason I find people like Rand so dangerous.

#12 | Posted by Zed at 2013-03-17 07:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

So do I. Because of this is yet another reason I find people like Rand so dangerous.

What a contradiction. You yourself sarcastically noted him saying, " "Oh, well. People die".

Exactly how does that differ from reality as opposed to, say, Obama's declaration 5 years ago that he would have the economy turning around in 6 months if elected?

#13 | Posted by goatman at 2013-03-17 07:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

Give him and his running dogs a little more power and they'll have the confidence to more openly attack Judeo-Christian values

Actually, I can't think of a better reason to elect him. I'd love to see a politician who doesn't claim to have an invisible sky fairy in his back pocket.

#14 | Posted by goatman at 2013-03-17 07:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Rand is a neo-pagan"

Really? I thought he was a "pro-life" Christian. I must have been misinformed.

#15 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-03-17 07:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

#13 | Posted by goatman at 2013-03

You have no idea how Roman I find Rand to be in his outlook. The difference being, the pagan Romans had no idea how guilty their behavior made them, whereas Rand has been taught an unfortunate basis for comparison that he still feels the need to give lip-service to.

#16 | Posted by Zed at 2013-03-17 07:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

I must have been misinformed.

#15 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-03-17 07:17 PM |

Perhaps. After all, you thought Mitt was a self-made man.

#17 | Posted by Zed at 2013-03-17 07:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

You have no idea how Roman I find Rand to be in his outlook. The difference being, the pagan Romans had no idea how guilty their behavior made them, whereas Rand has been taught an unfortunate basis for comparison that he still feels the need to give lip-service to.

In spite of your ham-handed deflection, a "people die" attitude is closer to reality than what the democrats want you to think is possible

Please, zed, don't waste my time on deflections. I grow weary of throwing them back at you.

Thanks

#18 | Posted by goatman at 2013-03-17 07:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

Please, zed, don't waste my time on deflections.

#18 | Posted by goatman at 2013-03-17 07

I'll let you decide what's a waste of your time. So far you seem pretty engaged.

#19 | Posted by Zed at 2013-03-17 07:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

You're welcome.

#20 | Posted by Zed at 2013-03-17 07:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'll let you decide what's a waste of your time.

Yes, you just did.

Bye

#21 | Posted by goatman at 2013-03-17 07:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

Bye

#21 | Posted by goatman at

Catch you later, gator.

#22 | Posted by Zed at 2013-03-17 07:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

The goat keeps his pinkies in the air even when he types responses to commoners who simply waste his time.

#23 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2013-03-17 07:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

The goat keeps his pinkies in the air even when he types responses to commoners who simply waste his time.

Where do you keep yours? Up your nose, I presume.

#24 | Posted by goatman at 2013-03-17 07:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Perhaps. After all, you thought Mitt was a self-made man."

That's news to me.

#25 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-03-17 07:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

Where do you keep yours? Up your nose, I presume.

#24 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2013-03-17 07:33 PM | FLAG:

sometimes.

#26 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2013-03-17 09:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

Hey News Flash. You are all going to die.

#5 | Posted by Federalist at

And there is the true Republican attitude, if you cant afford health care, then we don't care about you, F+++ you!

You see it is all about the wealthy and how to keep them happy.
you the poor and the middle class is not worth there time to care about.
except as a means to make more money.
and the sick and the old do not make them money and there is always younger healthy workers to replace them with.

#27 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2013-03-17 09:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Or they will have to raise taxes so high that no one will go to work. Same results."

News Flash: When the highest rates were 90% people still went to work.

#28 | Posted by danni at 2013-03-18 07:01 AM | Reply | Flag:

Zed, I thought Scott Walker was your boogieman?

#29 | Posted by wisgod at 2013-03-18 07:36 AM | Reply | Flag:

News Flash: When the highest rates were 90% people still went to work.

#28 | POSTED BY DANNI

News Flash: When the highest rates were 90% there was only one major industrialized nation left on the planet, because the rest had their infrastructure blown to smithereenies.

#30 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2013-03-18 07:39 AM | Reply | Flag:

"When the highest rates were 90% there was only one major industrialized nation left on the planet, because the rest had their infrastructure blown to smithereenies."

For about a decade, after that this talking point falls apart. I looked it up once, the manufacturing capacity of Europe quickly returned after the end of WWII, by 1953 it was back up to pre-war levels.

#31 | Posted by danni at 2013-03-18 08:03 AM | Reply | Flag:

You may also consider that yes, we did have markets for our goods but for the first decade after the war our "customers" overseas were broke. That half of the equation never seems to be remembered.

#32 | Posted by danni at 2013-03-18 08:04 AM | Reply | Flag:

Be cautious with those stats, Danni. Remember that prior to WWII, it wasn't just the US that was in a Depression. "When the US sneezes, the world catches a cold" as the saying goes. Manufacturing was at very low levels. You also need to be cautious about the term "manufacturing capacity". They may have returned to a point where they were manufacturing as much non-military durable goods as they were before the war, but by the mid-1930's a sizable percentage of manufacturing capacity in Europe had been diverted to military goods in preparation for the war everyone knew was coming.

#33 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2013-03-18 08:57 AM | Reply | Flag:

News Flash: When the highest rates were 90% people still went to work.

Myth.

#34 | Posted by sames1 at 2013-03-18 10:07 AM | Reply | Flag:

This is nonesence. His budget doesnt even stop the groth in spending in the first year. Its not enough all federal programs need to be cut back to year 2000 levels.

#35 | Posted by tmaster at 2013-03-18 10:17 AM | Reply | Flag:

"News Flash: When the highest rates were 90% people still went to work.
Myth."

Hilarious! We had no movie moguls, no stars. We had no CEOs.

#36 | Posted by danni at 2013-03-18 10:21 AM | Reply | Flag:

Danni,

There were so many loopholes written into the tax code at that time (sound familiar?) that few, if any, actually paid anything close to that rate. Most people diverted their income into investments to avoid paying the tax.

Inverseley, that is a significant reason for such a widening of the income tax post 2000. With the top rates lowered it became less expensive to declare income, so the high earners did just that.

90% is a joke. It is outright theft. Nobody is going to produce to a point where they are keeping 10 cents for every dollar earned. You certainly wouldn't and rightly so.

#37 | Posted by JeffJ at 2013-03-18 02:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

We get it thugs.

There is plenty of Money for Weapons of War but not enough for any health care for the poor and elderly.

#38 | Posted by donnerboy at 2013-03-18 02:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

......but not enough for any health care for the poor and elderly.

Wait a min....I thought the poor and the elderly already had free healthcare?

#39 | Posted by Daniel at 2013-03-18 02:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

"90% is a joke. It is outright theft. Nobody is going to produce to a point where they are keeping 10 cents for every dollar earned. You certainly wouldn't and rightly so."

That's why people invested in factories, etc. to reduce their tax burdens. That is the incentive effect of high taxes and no one, that I know of, wants to raise taxes to 90% today anyway. Right now we would just like to see some loop holes closed, I don't think that is such a radical idea.

#40 | Posted by danni at 2013-03-18 02:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

"There were so many loopholes written into the tax code at that time (sound familiar?) that few, if any, actually paid anything close to that rate. Most people diverted their income into investments to avoid paying the tax."

I've been telling you that forever. We need smarter loop holes though, especially not loop holes for companies that oursouce jobs.

#41 | Posted by danni at 2013-03-18 02:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

Richard Kirsch: I know you are not supposed to write in hyperbole, but sometimes the truth needs to be told. Paul Ryan's budget, which kills Obamacare and cripples Medicare and Medicaid, would kill tens of thousands of people. Every year.

Biggest damn lie of the month. ric, you are full of that brown smelly stuff.

#42 | Posted by Sniper at 2013-03-18 02:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

I thought the poor and the elderly already had free healthcare?

#39 | Posted by Daniel

Not if Ryan had his way. Which I think is the point of the headline:

Ryan Budget Would Kill Thousands

#43 | Posted by donnerboy at 2013-03-18 04:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

You don't know that. What is your record about accurate predictions? If economics continues, we may have a lot of killings by disgruntled citizens. Remember the riots we have had when times were less hard in the fairly recent past.

#44 | Posted by Donald at 2013-03-18 10:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

The Ryan budget doesn't cut a thing. The total government spending still goes UP under Ryan. Just not as fast. Only in Washington is reduction in spending growth a cut. As to millions dying - isn't that was said about the sequester. Didn't that paragon of liberal intelligencia Shelia Jackson Lee state that it was going to kill 140 Milion if inacted? Didn't Obama and the liberal media scream about how the sequester was going to be so terrible. But in the end Obama had to manufacture a crises by shut down Whitehouse tours ( which is staffed by Volunteers!) But still kept his multimillion dollar vactions and St Patricks day party

Face it the whole liberal establishment feed on hate mongering and lies. And coolaid drinkers like Hans and Danni. By the way Danni did you stay in the 401K like I told you or did you bail out? The market has DOUBLED since that time.

#45 | Posted by foshaffer at 2013-03-19 09:08 AM | Reply | Flag:

Said it before and I'll say it again. The GOP mantra can be summed up in one old selfish British saying: "Bugger you Jack, I'm alright".

How very open minded and dare I say it, "christian" of them to care about others...

#46 | Posted by boyracer_x at 2013-03-19 10:36 AM | Reply | Flag:

If economics continues, we may have a lot of killings by disgruntled citizens. Remember the riots we have had when times were less hard in the fairly recent past.

#44 | Posted by Donald

If they all had affordable health care I bet they would be a lot less "disgruntled".

#47 | Posted by donnerboy at 2013-03-19 12:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

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After watching this I think that the Left are all on the same level as Michael Moore.

What a pathetic situation.

#48 | Posted by RonPaul at 2013-03-19 01:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

Not if Ryan had his way. Which I think is the point of the headline:
Ryan Budget Would Kill Thousands
#43 | Posted by donnerboy

Why do most of the things that Liberals cry about usually turn out to be lies?

#49 | Posted by RonPaul at 2013-03-19 01:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

I thought the poor and the elderly already had free healthcare?

#39 | Posted by Daniel

Not if Ryan had his way. Which I think is the point of the headline:

Ryan Budget Would Kill Thousands

#43 | Posted by donnerboy

Come on donnie, tell us about the 3/4 trillion little o took out of medicare. Who is killing what?

#50 | Posted by Sniper at 2013-03-19 02:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

Why do most of the things that Liberals cry about usually turn out to be lies?

#49 | Posted by RonPaul

That is because the libs can't tell anyone the truth. If people realy knew that they were up to they would be stoned in the streets.

#51 | Posted by Sniper at 2013-03-19 02:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

-If people really knew that they were up to they would be stoned in the streets.

The Great LeftWing Conspiracy, rofl

#52 | Posted by Corky at 2013-03-19 02:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

I know you are not supposed to write in hyperbole, but

Sorry, but stopped there as it is clear he was going to start writing in hyperbole. I hate statements that begin with "I know you're not supposed to" and ends with "but..."

#53 | Posted by kanrei at 2013-03-19 02:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

Come on donnie, tell us about the 3/4 trillion little o took out of medicare. Who is killing what?

#50 | Posted by Sniper

Why do most of the things that Liberals cry about usually turn out to be lies?

#49 | Posted by RonPaul

That is because the libs can't tell anyone the truth. If people realy knew that they were up to they would be stoned in the streets.

#51 | Posted by Sniper

Still living in that Fox News Reality Distortion Bubble?

No money was TAKEN or will be TAKEN from Medicare.

I can tell you about the money that will be SAVED.

The savings come by reducing costs in the system over a 10 year period which will come entirely at the expense of hospitals and insurers, who negotiated and approved the deal with the White House because they knew that having millions of newly-insured people would more than make up for their loss of money under the old Medicare arrangements.

Is the federal government cutting its spending on Medicare?

Medicare spending will increase each year but at a slower rate. For example, before the health law was passed, Medicare was expected to grow by 6.8 percent a year for 2010 through 2019. With the health law, that yearly growth rate is projected to be 5.6 percent during that same time frame, according to an analysis from the Kaiser Family Foundation. (KHN is an editorially independent program of the Foundation).

No benefits will be lost and more people will be covered.

The law does not make any cuts to the amount of benefits beneficiaries receive and adds some new benefits, including closing the "doughnut hole" gap in Medicare prescription drug coverage, and new preventive services, such as an annual wellness visit with a physician.

www.kaiserhealthnews.org

Thanks for playing and for allowing me to clear up that Big Republican Lie.

#54 | Posted by donnerboy at 2013-03-19 03:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

"more people will be covered."

should have said

"more benefits will be covered."

I think more people are covered but I did not provide a quote to support that.

#55 | Posted by donnerboy at 2013-03-19 03:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

"As opposed to democrat's who want you to think that life can be rosy and everyone lives forever with unicorns and rainbows and all the margueritas thay can drink and BLTs they can eat"
#10 | Posted by goatman

When you're right you're right, just look at this:
"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."
--Barak Obama

#56 | Posted by Portside at 2013-03-19 03:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

How many people will die because the money they get in retirement checks is nearly worthless? Deficit spending ALWAYS leads to currency devaluation eventually. People's savings are wiped out, the cost of basic essentials skyrocket. I can see far more people dieing of malnutrition and exposure as what happened in Germany during the 20s than even with draconian cuts in services and entitlements. A lot of people agree... During the first four years of Commander Zero's reign close to 67,000,000 fire arms were sold, twice that of eight years of Bush. there has been a shortage of ammo going on for three years now- that with every plant in America going gangbusters. People vote with their pocket books- right now, it looks serious...

#57 | Posted by docnjo at 2013-03-19 07:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

Why do most of the things that Liberals cry about usually turn out to be lies?
#49 | Posted by RonPaul

That is because the libs can't tell anyone the truth. If people realy knew that they were up to they would be stoned in the streets.

#51 | Posted by Sniper

www.kaiserhealthnews.org

Thanks for playing and for allowing me to clear up that Big Republican Lie.

#54 | Posted by donnerboy

You fool. Your source is a corporation that lies for their best interest!

#58 | Posted by RonPaul at 2013-03-19 11:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

Didn't Paul Ryan live off social services that he did nothing to earn?

Rand would call him a parasite.

#59 | Posted by Tor at 2013-03-19 11:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

Ayn Rand used social security and medicare benefits under the name "Ann O'Connor".

#60 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2013-03-19 11:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

Paul Ryan received social security survivor benefits for the death of his father. He used the money to go to college, so he could join congress and try and push through a privatization of SS even worse than George W Bush's.

Another "I got mine, screw you" Republican hypocrite.

#61 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2013-03-19 11:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

#61 | Posted by Alexandrite

So the scandal is that she didn't pay into the system and took money out? (This is probably another Leftie lie)

Why is it hypocritical to improve a failing system?
Ryan's father didn't pay into the system either? (that's probably a lie too)

You need to be honest here. You know it's not hypocritical. You're just repeating asinine talking points from Rachael Maddow.

#62 | Posted by RonPaul at 2013-03-20 09:14 AM | Reply | Flag:

Ayn Rand used social security and medicare benefits under the name "Ann O'Connor".

#60 | Posted by Alexandrite

BWAHAHAHAAAAAAA!!!!

Ann O'Conner is her married name...

BWAHAHAHAAAAAAA!!!!

This makes her a hypocrite? LOL!!!

Why do you make it easy to get beat up so badly?

#63 | Posted by RonPaul at 2013-03-20 09:17 AM | Reply | Flag:

This makes her a hypocrite? LOL!!!

#63 | Posted by RonPaul at 2013

It makes Rand a "taker". Someone who would have been excluded from that secret little valley in Colorado.

#64 | Posted by Zed at 2013-03-20 09:22 AM | Reply | Flag:

Another "I got mine, screw you" Republican hypocrite.
#61 | Posted by Alexandrite

Why is it hypocritical to want to improve a bad system?
Why is it hypocritical to take out what you put into the system?

If I died now, my daughter will never get out of the system what I put into it. My wife will be using her SS benefits.

As it is, I will probably not get out of SS what I put into it.

It's a bad system.

Ryan's plan will certainly improve it.

#65 | Posted by RonPaul at 2013-03-20 09:23 AM | Reply | Flag:

Ryan's plan will certainly improve it.

#65 | Posted by RonPaul at 2013

I see no evidence that Ryan has the motivation to improve anything. He'd like to burn a few things down, then lecture piously on collateral damage, or broken eggs needed for omelets. Maybe he'd just lie about how fast he runs.

#66 | Posted by Zed at 2013-03-20 09:26 AM | Reply | Flag:

I see no evidence that Ryan has the motivation to improve anything. He'd like to burn a few things down, then lecture piously on collateral damage, or broken eggs needed for omelets. Maybe he'd just lie about how fast he runs.

#66 | Posted by Zed

You do realize that you and Rachael Maddow share exactly the same "opinion". What you are saying is not fact. I state fact.

Rachael Maddow's opinions have absolutely no basis in fact nor does she have any credibility.

I'm throw the BS flag. Sorry dude.

Alex's and your "opinion" of Ryan's hypocrisy or motivation to make things worse are unfounded and false and just plain emo. How pathetic is that?

#67 | Posted by RonPaul at 2013-03-20 11:03 AM | Reply | Flag:

What's pathetic is your absolute allergy to facts and their relevance to reality.

Ayn Rand preached that govt safety nets were bad, then used them under her married name to hide what she was doing.

That makes her a hypocrite.

Paul Ryan used Social security benefits to get a college education. He took that education to enter congress and try to privatize social security with a bill even more radical than W Bush's.

Read this and understand: If Social Security had been privatized as W spoke of in his 2005 SOTU address, a lot of people would have lost their life savings, at the end of of 2008, when the stock market took a HUGE hit. The bursting housing bubble and the recession it was causing nearly destroyed wall street, and required huge infusions of cash/bail-outs by TWO presidents to stop. That's a fact I will never tire of reminding people who wish to see social security privatized: Your grandma would be broke right now if the bill had passed.

www.marketwatch.com

Dec. 30, 2008, 11:49 a.m. EST
Home prices off record 18% in past year, Case-Shiller says

I'd call that proof that Paul Ryan's Privatization plan is a disaster waiting to happen. What if the market tanks again? It's a dumb idea that could hurt a lot of retirees.

#68 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2013-03-20 06:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

Read this and understand: If Social Security had been privatized as W spoke of in his 2005 SOTU address, a lot of people would have lost their life savings, at the end of of 2008, when the stock market took a HUGE hit. The bursting housing bubble and the recession it was causing nearly destroyed wall street, and required huge infusions of cash/bail-outs by TWO presidents to stop. That's a fact I will never tire of reminding people who wish to see social security privatized: Your grandma would be broke right now if the bill had passed.

A couple of problems with this:

1. What W was pushing was partial privatization.

2. 401K's (which is what the privatized plan would have been modeled after) include a range of options, not all of which are market-based.

Privatization of this program, on its face, would be a good thing. However, since it is a pyramid-scheme it would lose desperately needed revenues for the trust from current payees to be re-distributed to current recipients which is ultimately why it's not such a good idea.

#69 | Posted by JeffJ at 2013-03-20 07:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

Jeffj- Ryan's plan is even worse than W's. You would have a lot of elderly missing their money in either case.

Privatization of this program, on its face, would be a good thing.

Why do republicans think privatization of everything is so great? It hasn't done much good for our prison system, that's for sure.

#70 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2013-03-21 12:58 AM | Reply | Flag:

Alex,

Privatizing prisons and SS is the quintessential comparison of apples and oranges.

Jeffj- Ryan's plan is even worse than W's. You would have a lot of elderly missing their money in either case.

To the extent that it prevents a pyramid-scheme of critically-needed funds for wealth-transference - yes, without question.

#71 | Posted by JeffJ at 2013-03-21 01:09 AM | Reply | Flag:

Privatizing prisons and SS is the quintessential comparison of apples and oranges.

They're both fruit. Making everything 'for-profit' and putting money above all else has almost single-handedly ruined this country IMHO.

#72 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2013-03-21 01:22 AM | Reply | Flag:

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