Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Saturday, March 16, 2013

Chris Hedges: A nation that destroys its systems of education, degrades its public information, guts its public libraries and turns its airwaves into vehicles for cheap, mindless amusement becomes deaf, dumb and blind. It prizes test scores above critical thinking and literacy. It celebrates rote vocational training and the singular, amoral skill of making money. It churns out stunted human products, lacking the capacity and vocabulary to challenge the assumptions and structures of the corporate state. It funnels them into a caste system of drones and systems managers. It transforms a democratic state into a feudal system of corporate masters and serfs.

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"Imagine," said a public school teacher in New York City, who asked that I not use his name, "going to work each day knowing a great deal of what you are doing is fraudulent, knowing in no way are you preparing your students for life in an ever more brutal world, knowing that if you don't continue along your scripted test prep course and indeed get better at it you will be out of a job.

"Up until very recently, the principal of a school was something like the conductor of an orchestra: a person who had deep experience and knowledge of the part and place of every member and every instrument.

"In the past 10 years we've had the emergence of both [Mayor] Mike Bloomberg's Leadership Academy and Eli Broad's Superintendents Academy, both created exclusively to produce instant principals and superintendents who model themselves after CEOs.

"There is something grotesque about the fact the education reform is being led not by educators but by financers and speculators and billionaires."

#1 | Posted by TheTom at 2013-03-16 10:44 AM | Reply | Flag:

"The greatest evildoers are those who don't remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,"

Hedges: Leave us a lone, we got this, Oh and send us more money and close the door when you leave. What a waste of band width. No clarification of the problems or list of solutions offered, only criticism of those who are trying to effect change.

#2 | Posted by paneocon at 2013-03-16 11:46 AM | Reply | Flag:

"The No Child Left Behind program, modeled on the "Texas Miracle," is a fraud. It worked no better than our deregulated financial system. But when you shut out debate these dead ideas are self-perpetuating."

Highly quotable.

(For a leftwing provocateur monotheist)

#3 | Posted by Corky at 2013-03-16 11:50 AM | Reply | Flag:

No Child Left Behind may not be perfect but it has high lighted a lot of under performing schools. I realize that a stupid electorate benefits Democrats but is it really fair to the children?

#4 | Posted by paneocon at 2013-03-16 11:55 AM | Reply | Flag:

lol, when they lose elections, the electorate is "stupid". Amazing how brilliant the electorate is when they win.

#5 | Posted by Corky at 2013-03-16 11:59 AM | Reply | Flag:

"The No Child Left Behind program, modeled on the "Texas Miracle," is a fraud. It worked no better than our deregulated financial system.

Hmm, you just proved that the feds shouldn't meddle with education and it should be left to the states. NCLB worked well in Texas, but apparently not at the federal level. (btw, had it worked, all praise would have been given to Teddy Kennedy, who co-authored it. Since it failed, his name is never associated with it)

#6 | Posted by goatman at 2013-03-16 12:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

No clarification of the problems or list of solutions offered, only criticism of those who are trying to effect change

Trying to effect change? You sound like a liberal...

And his whole point, since you clearly missed it, is that the policies enacted by those "trying to effect change" is not working and may, in fact, be confounding the problem.

As a whole I wouldn't say standardized testing is the problem. I went to high school in upstate NY and had Regents exams (standardized tests taken by all students in that grade on the same day across the state) at the end of every year and my passing of that year was dependent on my scores.

But it wasn't so rigid as to force my teachers to teach to the test. Some would use the final three weeks or so as review, using old Regents exam material for course work, but the curriculum was designed in such a way that most didn't need to do this.

#7 | Posted by jpw at 2013-03-16 12:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

" NCLB worked well in Texas"

Is that why Texas ranks 49th in SAT scores?

#8 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-03-16 12:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

lol, when they lose elections, the electorate is "stupid". Amazing how brilliant the electorate is when they win.

Also amazing is when I hear a righty go on about "low information voters" as my facebook newsfeed is filled with garbage from various right wing pages, nearly all of it Fox Noise or Tea Party BS that is easily refuted.

#9 | Posted by jpw at 2013-03-16 12:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

Is that why Texas ranks 49th in SAT scores?
#8 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

TEA says 156,486 public school students or 58 percent of the 2012 class took the college admissions exam. That's a 5.7 percent increase from 2011.

The statewide number of Hispanics taking the SAT jumped 65 percent since the class of 2008. The number of African-American test-takers rose 29 percent. The number of white students taking the SAT increased 9 percent.

www.elpasotimes.com

#10 | Posted by paneocon at 2013-03-16 12:27 PM | Reply | Flag:


How exactly does your post address the quote?

#11 | Posted by jpw at 2013-03-16 12:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

I realize that a stupid electorate benefits Democrats but is it really fair to the children?

#4 | Posted by paneocon at 2013-03-16 11:55 AM | Reply

I'm sure the children won't care since they'll just vote like their parents allowing them to collect the same bennies their parents collected.

#12 | Posted by matsop at 2013-03-16 12:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

#11 | POSTED BY JPW

I'm sure this is a shock to your lib brain

SAT scores show disparities by race, gender, family income

The differences in total SAT scores by ethnicity was most extreme between Asian students (who had an average total score of 1623 out of a possible 2400) and black students (who averaged 1276, a four-point drop). Puerto Rican students averaged 1345. The national average was 1509. Top score is 800 in each of the three SAT sections.

•The highest average score of all (1702, up 26 points) was posted by students who said their families earned more than $200,000 a year. Students who reported family incomes of less than $20,000 a year averaged 1321, up 1 point.

usatoday30.usatoday.com

#13 | Posted by paneocon at 2013-03-16 12:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

Is that why Texas ranks 49th in SAT scores?

That's a lie (but it's from an irrational Texas hater whose failing state is losing its money and people to Texas, go figure), it it is low. Why? I don't know. But as I noted NCLB definitely improved the under achieving counties in the souther liberal counties.

#14 | Posted by goatman at 2013-03-16 12:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'm sure this is a shock to your lib brain

Why would it?

Oh, that's right, a paneocon post without a dig on "libs" is like a day without sunshine.

#15 | Posted by jpw at 2013-03-16 12:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

www.commonwealthfoundation.org

At least according to this site TX is 47.

Does that make me an irrational Texas hater too?

#16 | Posted by jpw at 2013-03-16 12:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

#15 | POSTED BY JPW

Sorry but a morning of reading the news just leaves me angry at liberals. It happens a lot lately. I will try to be more restrained.

#17 | Posted by paneocon at 2013-03-16 12:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

Does that make me an irrational Texas hater too?

???

Why would it? It does make you closer to the truth, though. Here's a later list than the one you linked to.

www.statisticbrain.com

#18 | Posted by goatman at 2013-03-16 12:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

#16 | POSTED BY JPW

It's not the score, it why the scores dropped. Texas is becoming a blue state and this is the first sign, the dumbing down has begun.

#19 | Posted by paneocon at 2013-03-16 12:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

Why would it? It does make you closer to the truth, though

Oh I don't know, his post wasn't so far off yet there was a need to make it about something personal that was irrelevant anyway.

That and rational discussion lacking snarkiness isn't what the DR is for.

#20 | Posted by jpw at 2013-03-16 12:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

45th instead of 49th? Well, congratulations, Texas. At this rate maybe in another decade or two they'll be up to 40th. lol

#21 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-03-16 12:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's not the score, it why the scores dropped. Texas is becoming a blue state and this is the first sign, the dumbing down has begun.

Except the series of posts regarding TX SAT rankings indicates the scores are getting better.

And you quite clearly are willing to take whatever conclusion suits your purpose from something and treat it as fact.

The report also noted that scores often decrease when a larger, more diverse pool of students take the test, so the relative stability is "a good sign," says Laurence Bunin, senior vice president

Not to mention the article is discussing national stats. How that supports your conclusion above is beyond me.

#22 | Posted by jpw at 2013-03-16 12:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

Oh I don't know, his post wasn't so far off yet there was a need to make it about something personal that was irrelevant anyway.

He asked me a question based on a falsehood. I corrected him before I answered. Sorry if correct data when answering bothers you.

#23 | Posted by goatman at 2013-03-16 12:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

Texas is becoming a blue state and this is the first sign

LOL That's what people said during the Great Rust Belt migration of the early '80s. The immigrants got smart and decided they didn't want to become the rathole they left and they adapted. Why would they this time? If they want failure, they'll stay in California and Michigan instead of moving to Texas and try to turn it into another California or Michigan. LOL

Dream on, though. Dreams are all that's left in these dying blue states.

#24 | Posted by goatman at 2013-03-16 01:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

Sorry if correct data when answering bothers you.

LOL

Yes, I checked the stat because correct information bothers me.

#25 | Posted by jpw at 2013-03-16 01:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

45th instead of 49th? Well, congratulations, Texas. At this rate maybe in another decade or two they'll be up to 40th. lol

Maybe. In the meantime, we'll just enjoy the relatively good economy that the higher SAT states are lacking. Jobs and money aren't a bad consolation prize. LOL

#26 | Posted by goatman at 2013-03-16 01:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yes, I checked the stat because correct information bothers me.

No you didn't. You checked it hoping for a "gotcha". Are you trying to tell me you would have checked it regardless?

Please

#27 | Posted by goatman at 2013-03-16 01:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

Are you trying to tell me you would have checked it regardless?

If it was a point being argued, yes.

BTW, I trust you notice it ended up being a gotcha?

#28 | Posted by jpw at 2013-03-16 01:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

BTW, I trust you notice it ended up being a gotcha?

Yes. You got yourself since you didn't provide a more current (and favorable) figure as I did. I did notice that.

#29 | Posted by goatman at 2013-03-16 01:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yes. You got yourself since you didn't provide a more current (and favorable) figure as I did. I did notice that.

LOL

#30 | Posted by jpw at 2013-03-16 01:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

"BTW, I trust you notice it ended up being a gotcha?"

Well it started out with Goatman claiming "NCLB worked well in Texas," and ended up with his concession that they rank 45th in SAT scores. lol

My work is finished here. Have a nice day!

#31 | Posted by nullifidian at 2013-03-16 01:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

and ended up with his concession that they rank 45th in SAT scores. lol

Yeah, but 45 is lower than 49, so he's right.

What's with all these trees around here, I thought I was supposed to be in a forest...

#32 | Posted by jpw at 2013-03-16 01:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

"NCLB worked well in Texas,"

And it did. Google it, my good friend.

Actually it ended up with my concession that our consolation prize of a a better economy and jobs wasn't too bad. I guess you missed that part since you don't like hearing that as a rule. BTW, exactly what does being at the top of the SAT list get you in the real world? Michigan is number 6. LOL

My work is finished here.

Too bad your work is finished here because I'd love to see your answer. LOL

#33 | Posted by goatman at 2013-03-16 01:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

"but the curriculum was designed in such a way that most didn't need to do this."

Which should be true and doable now as well. Here's the thing: each state has standards, and now we have Common Core. If the test covers those standards (whichever set), and the teachers teach the standards (as well as some test-taking strategies), and the students learn those standards (here's where it gets tricky : ) ), the students should pass the tests.

13: Why do you think that's a shock to anyone? We knew that long before NCLB came along. The question is, Why? And the next question is, How do we fix it?

#34 | Posted by pragmatist at 2013-03-16 02:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

#24 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

Don't get me wrong Goatman, Texas is one of the last shining stars on the hill and NO conservative wishes any more blue on you guys other than say Austin but you got to admit that if you keep allowing Californians, Michiganians and Mexicans across the borders like rats escaping a flood, Texas will have a big blue problem.
Liberals never learn from their mistakes, they will flee an area because they have destroyed business and wealth and they will set up shop some where else and begin the same behaviors that caused them to have to move in the first place. I call it Liberal Dissociative Disorder or LDD for short.

#35 | Posted by paneocon at 2013-03-16 02:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

Liberals never learn from their mistakes

Right.

And conservatives have lost the white house twice in a row because they need to be "more conservative", right?

#36 | Posted by jpw at 2013-03-16 04:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

" It celebrates rote vocational training and the singular, amoral skill of making money. "

yep. i strongly support good liberal arts collges and universities.

#37 | Posted by ichiro at 2013-03-16 08:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

...and every child should have the opportunity to attend one and their parents ought to strive to make that happen.

#38 | Posted by ichiro at 2013-03-16 08:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

#35
what a scary post from one of our resident haters.
what do they call the dusorder where one is afraid of people?

#39 | Posted by ichiro at 2013-03-16 08:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

dus= dis

#40 | Posted by ichiro at 2013-03-16 08:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

That Hedges is a theologian comes through loud and clear in this article.

The last CCC provided vocational training to millions and made sure they could get a high school education.

A new one could do the same.

#41 | Posted by Tor at 2013-03-16 08:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

texas will soon be blue!

#42 | Posted by ichiro at 2013-03-16 08:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

texas will soon be blue!

Dream on, sweets!

#43 | Posted by goatman at 2013-03-16 09:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

Liberals never learn from their mistakes,

Well, they do. The ones who are smart enough to leave the [...]holes the grew up in are smart enough not to bring that poison with them. At least that's what happened after the Great Rust Belt migration of th eearly 80s. Not only do the voting records bear this out, but if you talk to these displaced yanks, they'll tell you the same thing. They don't want Texas to end up like Michigan or California.

#44 | Posted by goatman at 2013-03-16 09:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

"the singular, amoral skill of making money"

Stop for a second and think about that concept.

www.youtube.com

#45 | Posted by Tor at 2013-03-16 09:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

Panecon,

You are right on the money, after the left wing screws up a state they leave for another state and screw it up. Ask the people form Nevada, Oregon,Arizona, North Carolina, Florida, Texas, Colorado, and the list goes on and on. It will be interesting to see what happens.

As for education the left wing socialists have taken over and are dumbing down the students. If my children were school age I would send them to private schools so they learn that you cannot spend more than you take in and expect to survive. To learn the truth about the opportunity this country offers rahter than learn to hate it and just sit on your ass and go on the governemnt dole.

It is obvious a number of people on this post were raised in govenrment schools. The Chinese will love them when they take over, hopefully I will be long gone.

#46 | Posted by gtjr at 2013-03-16 09:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

"To learn the truth about the opportunity this country offers rahter than learn to hate it and just sit on your ass and go on the governemnt dole."

I blame this on the parents, not on the schools. I've never met a teacher who teaches kids that hating the country is good and being on the dole is a solid aim in life.

#47 | Posted by pragmatist at 2013-03-16 10:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

Have to agree a lot is the fault of the parents. When the Jordon air shoes came out my son expected me to buy him a pair. I had the income to be able to afford it but I told him I had budgeted $50 for shoes and he was welcome to take that with the money he earned and buy what he wanted. Guess what kind of shoes he ended up with? It does make a difference when it is your money.

#48 | Posted by gtjr at 2013-03-16 11:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

Have to agree a lot is the fault of the parents. When the Jordon air shoes came out my son expected me to buy him a pair. I had the income to be able to afford it but I told him I had budgeted $50 for shoes and he was welcome to take that with the money he earned and buy what he wanted. Guess what kind of shoes he ended up with? It does make a difference when it is your money.

#49 | Posted by gtjr at 2013-03-16 11:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

My poor sister in law is a public school teacher in Texas. She works a minimum of 60 hours a week, mostly doing paper work to fulfill the STAR program. What is not stated is there is no chose in the current system but to preform exactly as dictated by bureaucrats who have ether never been in a class room or haven't been in one in decades. Activities are dictated to the minute, word by word. Most teachers who have an option are opting to teach in private institutions/schools, most others are counting the days till retirement. Here is the performance of students in Texas- Highest preforming group- home schooled. Next Private/Religious schools, and bringing up the bottom, public education. A good number of my sister in law's students are from dysfunctional home environments or illegal aliens,(not the kid's fault, but consider the problem of trying to teach fifth graders who don't know a word of English). Schools across the country are being gutted by policies imposed upon them by faceless agencies who are not answerable to anyone. We have elected school boards and independent school districts, when did we cede power to Austin and Washington?

#50 | Posted by docnjo at 2013-03-17 09:37 AM | Reply | Flag:

It is obvious a number of people on this post were raised in govenrment schools.

Let me guess, you can tell who because they use words you need to sound out?

#51 | Posted by jpw at 2013-03-17 01:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

As for education the left wing socialists have taken over and are dumbing down the students.

Right. It's the "left wing socialists" who are pushing re-packaged creationism, right? Those damn commies are the ones glossing over slavery in our country's past, right?

If my children were school age I would send them to private schools so they learn that you cannot spend more than you take in and expect to survive. To learn the truth about the opportunity this country offers rahter than learn to hate it and just sit on your ass and go on the governemnt dole.

If you think that is what's taught in school then I fear for your children.

Honestly, how jaded and miserable do you have to be to see everything through some ridiculous politically-colored lens?

#52 | Posted by jpw at 2013-03-17 01:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

why's it still called education? its INDOCTRINATION. is even Hedges that slow to get it?

#53 | Posted by reitze at 2013-03-17 06:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

"What is not stated is there is no chose in the current system but to preform exactly as dictated by bureaucrats who have ether never been in a class room or haven't been in one in decades. Activities are dictated to the minute, word by word."

I don't know what it's like in Texas, and I appreciate your defense of teachers, but this is still not true in many places. Some schools by canned curricula and programming; others do not. I don't know which way the balance lies, but even my friends who teach in NYC (Regents! Race to the Top!) and in upstate NY don't complain of scripted activities.

"Most teachers who have an option are opting to teach in private institutions/schools, most others are counting the days till retirement."

Maybe in Texas. I know plenty of working public school teachers who expect to stay in the system. Some--well, many--are frustrated by some of the nonsense; many are just fine.

"Here is the performance of students in Texas- Highest preforming group- home schooled. Next Private/Religious schools, and bringing up the bottom, public education. A good number of my sister in law's students are from dysfunctional home environments or illegal aliens,(not the kid's fault, but consider the problem of trying to teach fifth graders who don't know a word of English). Schools across the country are being gutted by policies imposed upon them by faceless agencies who are not answerable to anyone. We have elected school boards and independent school districts, when did we cede power to Austin and Washington?"

We also have stupid school board members who simply trust superintendents and don't think or push those supers to have actual vision for the future. My district is losing something like 20% of our teachers next year. I know--and agree--that there had to be cuts. The problem is, no one on high is looking at what the cuts mean to the shape of the school. They're pretending to, but it's all by-the-numbers BS.

"why's it still called education? its INDOCTRINATION. is even Hedges that slow to get it?"

I don't know, but you're slow (well, not at all) to explain what you mean by indoctrination and how exactly schools are doing it. Squawk squawk squawk is all I get from you.

#54 | Posted by pragmatist at 2013-03-17 06:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

All the feigned concern and babbling about education while blaming teachers is just cheap talk. Its the same with jobs, all lip flapping and no action. The alleged recovery is only a measure of Corporate profits and the Feds QE1, 2 & 3. The plan is class warfare. The plan is to dumb down the domestic population, wage war on the rest of the planet in order to continue to extort cheap labor and resources in poor counties, reduce US wages to third world levels and blame the collapse on lazy freeloading Americans. While Rethugs openly extole policies which achieve these results they are not above double talk, though they are no match for Obama in that regard. Obama's rise to the Presidecy is based on his skill at saying one thing, doing another and getting away with it.

#55 | Posted by nutcase at 2013-03-17 10:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

TLC stands for The Learning Channel. It used to get government support to help educate people.

Then it got privatized.

Now it shows Honey Boo Boo.

Any questions?

A powerful force in this country doesn't want the masses to be smart. It's been working for years to cut education so that the masses are easier to scare and control. Dumber people means more and more military recruits as well.

If you want to know who is trying to make americans dumber all you have to do is look at who has been trying to cut public education for years now. REPUBLICANS. The rich know they need the masses to be really stupid in order to get their votes.

The tea party is a prime example of what happens when this new wave of intentionally-created idiots gets old enough to influence the country. The Koch brothers are high-fiving each other over this marvelous new creation.

#56 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2013-03-18 02:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

Now it shows Honey Boo Boo.

Any questions?

What is a "honey boo boo"?

#57 | Posted by goatman at 2013-03-18 02:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

#56 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

You don't see the education available in Honey boo boo?

If you fail to get a good education, and a job you too will end up on welfare and food stamps in a double wide spotting UFO's. In short government supported white trash.

#58 | Posted by paneocon at 2013-03-18 02:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

#56 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

I hate to break it to you but it's Republicans who are pushing for School Choice and it's the Dems, in the interest of protecting public sector unions from competition, who are attempting to force kids to stay in poor schools and thus getting an inferior education.

#59 | Posted by JeffJ at 2013-03-18 02:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I hate to break it to you but it's Republicans who are pushing for School Choice and it's the Dems, in the interest of protecting public sector unions from competition"

Privatize the schools and teachers will work for peanuts and investors will pocket the difference. That's the goal, not education.

#60 | Posted by danni at 2013-03-18 02:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

I hate to break it to you but it's Republicans who are pushing for School Choice and it's the Dems, in the interest of protecting public sector unions from competition, who are attempting to force kids to stay in poor schools and thus getting an inferior education.

#59 | Posted by JeffJ

Repubs are not pushing for school choice to help people rise from poverty - they are doing it as a step in their long game of privatizing schools and condemning the poor to the lower caste forever without a way to rise above it.

They also want people to be able to choose to send their kids to a school that teaches how jesus rode around on a dinosaur instead of, you know, actual science and facts.

#61 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2013-03-18 02:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

Privatize the schools and teachers will work for peanuts and investors will pocket the difference.

There is no doubt that private schools provide an superior education. But danni seems so scared that someone might make money doing providing a better school that students should stay in inferior public schools to make sure they don't.

What is it with you and your irrational fear of people making profits, danni, especially when someting good comes out of it?

#62 | Posted by goatman at 2013-03-18 02:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

#61 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Which is why most union teachers in Chicago and Dem politicos put their kids in charter or private schools.

#63 | Posted by paneocon at 2013-03-18 02:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

Which is why most union teachers in Chicago and Dem politicos put their kids in charter or private schools.

#63 | Posted by paneocon

Anyone who can afford to puts their kids in private schools because the repubs have intentionally and effectively destroyed the public ones.

#64 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2013-03-18 02:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

Anyone who can afford to puts their kids in private schools because the repubs have intentionally and effectively destroyed the public ones.

*SQUAWK* Repub's fault!
*SQUAWK* Repub's fault!
*SQUAWK* Repub's fault!
*SQUAWK* Repub's fault!
*SQUAWK* Repub's fault!

OK. I'll bite. How is it the repub's fault? The republican unions, I presume? LOL Or are you admitting unions are impotent (in which case, get rid of them)

#65 | Posted by goatman at 2013-03-18 02:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

#64

LOL Speaksoftly, you're a hoot.

#66 | Posted by Daniel at 2013-03-18 02:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

What is it with you and your irrational fear of people making profits, danni, especially when someting good comes out of it?

#62 | Posted by goatman

What is it with you and your obsession with making profits, even on things that are considered human rights in america like education and health care?

Why does a profit making, consumer-screwing middle man have to be inserted into every industry?

Do you know what a caste system is? it's where the weathy stay wealthy for generations and the poor stay poor with no way to change their circumstances due to lack of education. That's what a privatized for-profit education system will lead to. Followed by bloody revolution of the haves vs have nots.

#67 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2013-03-18 03:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

Nearly 40% Of Chicago Public School Teachers Send Their Kids To Private Schools

The Chicago teachers' strike is an awkward dinner conversation between President Barack Obama and his former chief of staff Rahm Emanuel. Many of the policy prescriptions in the new Chicago teachers' contract designed to create more accountability are supported by the Obama administration.

As the Chicago teachers' strike continues, we've learned that they make $71-76,000 a year and they turned down a 16% pay increase, which amounts to $11,360. They work nine months out of the year, but say that this strike is benefits oriented.

However, given that ABC World News didn't even air this story last Sunday and most of the media, with the exception of CBS, failing to mention the compensation statistics in their broadcast – suffice to say that the media will probably ignore the fact that almost 40% of Chicago's public school teachers send their kids to private schools.

Read more: nation.foxnews.com

#68 | Posted by paneocon at 2013-03-18 03:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

OK. I'll bite. How is it the repub's fault? The republican unions, I presume? LOL Or are you admitting unions are impotent (in which case, get rid of them)

#65 | Posted by goatman

The only problem with the unions is their protection of bad teachers. Teacher evaluation and accountability must change. That's different than destroying the union.

How is it the republicans' fault? Simple. They're the ones always cutting budgets instead of raising taxes on the rich (who are richer than ever before having sucked all the wealth out of the rest of the nation._ And when budgets get cut, education is always the first to suffer. Crowded classrooms, narrowing of subjects taught and extracurricular programs, lower teacher pay ALL lead to worse education.
All because repubs would rather cut education and hurt the nation's future than get more funding for education from the people who are hoarding the nation's wealth.

#69 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2013-03-18 03:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

What is it with you and your obsession with making profits, even on things that are considered human rights in america like education and health care?

First, explain what you mean "my obsession" and how you came up with that. I don't answer questions that begin on a false premise or an unfounded position assigned to me. As a dem and hater, that may be all you know, but I don't play that game. Sorry.

I'll wait for your explanation.

#70 | Posted by goatman at 2013-03-18 03:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

Umm, you may not be aware of this but, the profit motive has made America the greatest and most generous nation in the world. That's a pretty good track record, yes? Now, I also know that greed and evil intent has corrupted this model and we are beginning to reap the rewards of such morality.

#71 | Posted by Daniel at 2013-03-18 03:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

How is it the republicans' fault? Simple...

So it's the republican's fault and the bad teachers who you admit the union shelter have nothing to do with rotten education in this country.

Got it

#72 | Posted by goatman at 2013-03-18 03:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

So it's the republican's fault and the bad teachers who you admit the union shelter have nothing to do with rotten education in this country.

Got it

#72 | Posted by goatman

Prime example of modern education failure right here.. Listen harder you almost got it buddy.

Unions are to blame in their protection of bad teachers.

Republicans are to blame in cutting education funding so the rich can live it up.

Let me know if you need me to simplify that any further and I'll try to find some crayons.

#73 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2013-03-18 03:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

Let me know if you need me to simplify that any further and I'll try to find some crayons.

No need. A mind so childlike that it's best output is "I'll get the crayons" is very easy to understand.

#74 | Posted by goatman at 2013-03-18 03:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

Anyone who can afford to puts their kids in private schools because the repubs have intentionally and effectively destroyed the public ones.

#64 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

So Conservative Republicans are the ones running the school systems? Wow, I didn't know that.

#75 | Posted by JeffJ at 2013-03-19 12:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

Anyone who can afford to puts their kids in private schools because the repubs have intentionally and effectively destroyed the public ones.

#64 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

So Conservative Republicans are the ones running the school systems? Wow, I didn't know that.

#76 | Posted by JeffJ at 2013-03-19 12:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

So Conservative Republicans are the ones running the school systems? Wow, I didn't know that.

That caught me off guard, too. I thought the Dem's mantra on this was that the Republicans favored private and home schooling and vouchers to help support them. Now I find out they run the public shools they supposedly shun.

Logic and the left . . .

#77 | Posted by goatman at 2013-03-19 12:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

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