Pastor: Sex With Minor God's Plan

Friday, March 15, 2013

The former pastor of a Indiana megachurch, currently awaiting sentencing in a sex crimes case, told a 17-year-old girl that Jesus wanted her to have sexual relations with him. Federal prosecutors on Wednesday released letters in which former First Baptist Church pastor Jack Schaap told the underage girl she should have sex with him because it was part of God's plan. "In our 'fantasy talk,' you have affectionately spoken of being 'my wife,'" Schaap wrote the girl. "That is exactly what Christ desires for us. He wants to marry us + become eternal lovers!"

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Last year, Schaap pleaded guilty having the girl transported across state lines into Michigan so he could have sex with her. Prosecutors said that the former pastor had tricked church members into bringing the girl to his cabin in Cadillac, Mich., because she was "in an extremely vulnerable state" and needed to spend extended time alone with him.

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The power of Christ compels you! (to have sex with me)

#1 | Posted by donnerboy at 2013-03-14 06:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

And apparently, the weak-minded shall follow. ie, the church members who delivered the girl unto the Hol(e)y Mattress.

#2 | Posted by northguy3 at 2013-03-14 08:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

God seems to plan for an awful lot of sex with children. What is wrong with God?

#3 | Posted by danni at 2013-03-15 08:02 AM | Reply | Flag:

Ban all clergy for all religions.

#4 | Posted by klifferd at 2013-03-15 08:25 AM | Reply | Flag:

The power of Christ compels you! (to have sex with me)
#1 | Posted by donnerboy

OK butt, I'm on top!

#5 | Posted by patron at 2013-03-15 08:31 AM | Reply | Flag:

This guy is a perfect example of an anti-christ. What ever the penalty is for this crime, he should receive 10 fold.

#6 | Posted by Daniel at 2013-03-15 08:32 AM | Reply | Flag:

eeeek...creepy...

This is your brain
on TOO MUCH RELIGION...

Morality = good

Religion = not so much...

#7 | Posted by earthmuse at 2013-03-15 08:40 AM | Reply | Flag:

my Louisville Slugger upside your head is also God's plan...

#8 | Posted by AuntieSocial at 2013-03-15 08:42 AM | Reply | Flag:

Quite true, religion is man-made and easily corrupted by man. A man of faith has little use for religions.

#9 | Posted by Daniel at 2013-03-15 08:47 AM | Reply | Flag:

But she agreed, no?

#10 | Posted by kamakiri at 2013-03-15 09:27 AM | Reply | Flag:

"A man of faith has little use for religions.

Charlie Manson used that line to bed women.

#11 | Posted by kamakiri at 2013-03-15 09:28 AM | Reply | Flag:

Every comment I have typed out thus far would earn me a dump. I must protest stories like this that tempt the dark side to come out.

In our 'fantasy talk,' you have affectionately spoken of being 'my wife,'"

I mean COME ON! That is just cruel to post and not allow me to retort as we all know I would =P

#12 | Posted by kanrei at 2013-03-15 09:29 AM | Reply | Flag:

Tax the churches. Tax the property that belongs to churches. -- Frank Zappa

#13 | Posted by john47 at 2013-03-15 09:38 AM | Reply | Flag:

because it was part of God's plan.

God's got another plan for you, once you hit the big house...

He wants to marry us + become eternal lovers!"

He's gonna marry you up with several big dudes...but it's all part of his Grand Design...

#14 | Posted by American1st at 2013-03-15 09:41 AM | Reply | Flag:

IFB.
No surprise there, really.
Sadly.

#15 | Posted by TheTom at 2013-03-15 09:46 AM | Reply | Flag:

Interesting that he talks of "eternal lovers" in the context of sexual relations and marriage without being able to connect to the scriptural statement that there is no giving and taking in marriage or sexual love in the eternal realm.

#16 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2013-03-15 09:54 AM | Reply | Flag:

(no) sexual love in the eternal realm

Wait....WHAT?

#17 | Posted by kanrei at 2013-03-15 09:55 AM | Reply | Flag:

Heuristicgratis is correct.

#18 | Posted by Daniel at 2013-03-15 10:00 AM | Reply | Flag:

If they would have stayed in Indiana it would have been legal. Age of consent there and in Michigan is 16. Michigan does have a clause that raises it to 18 for authority figures such as a pastor.

#19 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2013-03-15 10:00 AM | Reply | Flag:

"(no) sexual love in the eternal realm"?

Where does it say that so explicitly?

#20 | Posted by TheTom at 2013-03-15 10:00 AM | Reply | Flag:

"no sexual love in the eternal realm."

What about the 72 virgins waiting? Or do they remain virgins and the jokes on the terrorist? Allah has a cruel sense of humor.

#21 | Posted by patron at 2013-03-15 10:04 AM | Reply | Flag:

#17, #20, and #21

Matthew 22 (verse 30 specifically)
Mark 12 (verse 25 specifically)
Luke 20 (verse 34-35 specifically)

#22 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2013-03-15 10:09 AM | Reply | Flag:

Matthew, Mark and Luke were well known 40 year old virgins.

#23 | Posted by kamakiri at 2013-03-15 10:11 AM | Reply | Flag:

Mental illness knows no religious boundries.

He makes Jerry Lee look like a Saint.

#24 | Posted by Corky at 2013-03-15 10:13 AM | Reply | Flag:

#23 I think they were cast in the recent movie as well.

#25 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2013-03-15 10:14 AM | Reply | Flag:

boundaries

(Edit!)

#26 | Posted by Corky at 2013-03-15 10:14 AM | Reply | Flag:

So I have to live an eternity with out sex? How about a BJ , Clinton says that's not sex?

#27 | Posted by patron at 2013-03-15 10:14 AM | Reply | Flag:

God's plan says this guy needs to have that shaft shoved up his nether regions.

#28 | Posted by cbob at 2013-03-15 10:15 AM | Reply | Flag:

Heaven is a continuous and eternal orgasm.

Hell is an eternal case of blue balls...

#29 | Posted by kamakiri at 2013-03-15 10:17 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Heaven is a continuous and eternal orgasm."

How about a time out for a smoke? Dam you and Heuris got me confused. Where's Diablo when you need him?

#30 | Posted by patron at 2013-03-15 10:33 AM | Reply | Flag:

How about a time out for a smoke?

Heaven is smoke-free. See ya in Hell. I'll bring the lighter. =D

#31 | Posted by kanrei at 2013-03-15 10:34 AM | Reply | Flag:

Clergy taking advantage sexually? Unheard of!

#32 | Posted by sames1 at 2013-03-15 10:38 AM | Reply | Flag:

#30 There is a new pope. He is busy.

#33 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2013-03-15 10:52 AM | Reply | Flag:

"What about the 72 virgins waiting? Or do they remain virgins and the jokes on the terrorist? Allah has a cruel sense of humor."
the fun part is that the soul has no PeePee!

#34 | Posted by VMA224 at 2013-03-15 11:31 AM | Reply | Flag:

"What about the 72 virgins waiting? Or do they remain virgins and the jokes on the terrorist? Allah has a cruel sense of humor."

I love the comic who said they do get 72 virgins: they meet up with the previous 72 idiots who blew themselves up rather than getting laid.

#35 | Posted by kanrei at 2013-03-15 11:33 AM | Reply | Flag:

I told a 17-year old girl that Jesus wanted us to have sex. She said, "Good...have sex with Jesus cause I have a headache."

#36 | Posted by justanoversight at 2013-03-15 11:48 AM | Reply | Flag:

She said, "Good...have sex with Jesus cause I have a headache."

A guy goes to bed and hands his wife two aspirin and a glass of water.

"What's this for" she asks.

"Your headache" he answers.

"I don't have a headache."

"Great! Let's have sex!"

#37 | Posted by kanrei at 2013-03-15 11:49 AM | Reply | Flag:

What about the 72 virgins waiting? Or do they remain virgins and the jokes on the terrorist?

They are all old Catholic Nuns.

#38 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2013-03-15 11:52 AM | Reply | Flag:

The power of Christ compels you! (to have sex with me)
#1 | Posted by donnerboy

OK butt, I'm on top!

#5 | Posted by patron

So you gettin a little bi-curious are you?

No worries patron...I am sure we can pray that gay away.

Jesus is magic!

#39 | Posted by donnerboy at 2013-03-15 12:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Here's a confession: I'm in love with a man. What? I'm in love with a man ... a man named G-d. Does that make me gay? Am I gay for G-d? You betcha."- Charlie from It's Always Sunny

#40 | Posted by kanrei at 2013-03-15 12:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

#22
The only thing said is there will be no marriage and that the "wife" who had been passed around among brothers like a bong at a redneck wedding didn't "belong" to any of them. Basically it comes down to the rules of the road on earth don't apply in heaven.

Sexual activity existed before rules of marriage were applied to it... in fact rules of sexual exclusivity within marriage varied among biblical cultures. Jesus was the product of a long line of methodical inbreeding, including descendancy from Lot's night of naughtiness with his daughters... one of them even did the deed with daddy to be among the lineage destined to give birth to the Messiah.

Of course in the days before modern transportation and the one whom you had sex with was someone within walking distance... was usually a first cousin and sometimes a half sibling... maybe even a niece or nephew... all perfectly acceptable hook-ups for the time... arranged for by your parents.

Lessons from the Bible seem to be a great way to justify the God ordained righteousness of one's pursuit of lust.

#41 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2013-03-15 12:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

What about the 72 virgins waiting? Or do they remain virgins and the jokes on the terrorist?

Some one of the Muslim faith will have to correct me if I am wrong but I think the whole "72 virgins" thing is a propaganda ploy to discredit Muslims and Islam itself.

The only mention of 72 anything is Sunan al-Tirmidhi Hadith 2562 which says:

The Prophet Muhammad was heard saying: "The smallest reward for the people of Paradise is an abode where there are 80,000 servants and 72 wives, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine, and ruby, as wide as the distance from Al-Jabiyyah [a Damascus suburb] to Sana'a [Yemen]"

so no virgins for you but you get 80,000 servants and 72 wives and a lot of jewels.

Lucky you!

I can barely handle one wive.

#42 | Posted by donnerboy at 2013-03-15 12:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

wife

#43 | Posted by donnerboy at 2013-03-15 12:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

#41 inapplicable rant warning would be appreciated.

#44 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2013-03-15 12:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

He's just following in the footsteps of Joseph Smith, whose legacy has morphed into the greatest tax scam in the history of the United States. Timing is everything.

#45 | Posted by nutcase at 2013-03-15 01:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

"17-year-old girl"

Well at least this one isn't into little boys.

#46 | Posted by Tor at 2013-03-15 01:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

Great. Another guy that thinks God hasn't got anything better to do than tell him he can sleep with minors.

#47 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2013-03-15 01:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

"so no virgins for you but you get 80,000 servants and 72 wives and a lot of jewels.

Lucky you!"

At least this is a better story than Heuris ,his version is no sex. But I think I'll wait for an expert like Diablo to give me the real story.
And as for asking Jesus to get the gay out of me, you said Christ wanted me to have sex with you. So I figure being on top makes me less gay.

#48 | Posted by patron at 2013-03-15 01:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

We should ask ourselves if this guy is lying and merely using God's name for his own selfish ends.

Maybe this is what it means to use God's name in vain.

#49 | Posted by Tor at 2013-03-15 03:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

#48 If you want spiritual fornication in the spiritual realm, look to Mormonism.

#50 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2013-03-15 03:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

Mormon it is, sorry Pope but I'm not living an eternity in celibacy.

#51 | Posted by patron at 2013-03-15 05:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

If you believe the Bible, it claims additional punishment will be meeted out to those who abuse positions of authority, so for some sort of pastor to try this is doubly egregious.

Not that it's surprising. I keep saying the problem with religion is it provides a framework to be abused, though in this case, he didn't even really bother with the framework, as well as a population of gullible people waiting to be fleeced.

#52 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2013-03-15 05:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

"the problem with religion is it provides a framework to be abused"

the same is true of any position of power but it can be so much worse when religious authority is abused.

True story. Jim Jones tried to become a Methodist Minister.

The Methodists rejected his efforts after he couldn't pass a test of some sort related to either his mental state or ethics.

Years later it turns out that they were right and he was not only a monster but an atheist.

#53 | Posted by Tor at 2013-03-15 05:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

We need to, as a society, decide how young 17 is. Anyone here who is defending the "minor" in this case, yet pushing for a 17 year old to be tried as an adult in court is... well? Confused, emotional, and uselessly holding society back.

#65 | POSTED BY SOHEIFOX AT 2013-03-15 07:11 PM | REPLY | FLAG

Cause misposted

#54 | Posted by soheifox at 2013-03-15 07:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Tax the churches. Tax the property that belongs to churches. -- Frank Zappa"

John you and Zappa's ignorance is tragic.

#55 | Posted by Tor at 2013-03-16 04:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

John you and Zappa's ignorance is tragic.

I guess I'm ignorant on the subject, too. Why shouldn't churches be taxed?

#56 | Posted by goatman at 2013-03-16 04:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

...told a 17-year-old girl that Jesus wanted her to have sexual relations with him."

It took me a while to figure out why religion was the topic here. I thought it was his Hispanic friend, Haysus, who wanted her to let him nail her.

#57 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2013-03-16 04:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Why shouldn't churches be taxed?"

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

The founders had lived in a country where denominations other than the state Church could be taxed.

#58 | Posted by Tor at 2013-03-16 10:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

The founders had lived in a country where denominations other than the state Church could be taxed.

But corporations can "exercise freely" AND be taxed. Corporations do. I think that line means they can't tell them how to be run, unlike corporations. Taxing shouldn't be an issue, especially the big megachurches and their TV stations and jets and all. In fact, I can't tell the difference between the big megachurches and a corporation except god is the ceo.

I think churches should be subject to the same tax laws as corporate america.

#59 | Posted by goatman at 2013-03-16 11:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

GOATMAN we can not removed rights from the bill of rights.

The good news is those "clergy" who we know to be squandering money can still be investigated by the IRS and have group statues as a congregation questioned if not revoked.

I think even if they are found to be a congregation the spending habits of the groups leaders still becomes public record and things like owning a Jet rather than say taking JetBlue should get through to their followers.

PS megachurches and televangelists tend to be scams.

#60 | Posted by Tor at 2013-03-16 11:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

#44 sulking because the narrow interpretation of biblical text an application to topic at hand was rebuked. YOU assumed that because the wife would';t belong to any of the brothers there would be no sex in heaven. It didn't say that there was no sex said people would be like the angels... which from the stories about them aren't much different being human.

What I also responded to was the limited perception what those passages meant...I was also giving a nod of agreement ti the pastor for finding his justification for the desire to fornicate a member of his flock in the Bible. The Bible is rife with sexual activity and innuendo. If he used it as an instruction manual for his particular pursuit of debauchery there are plenty of instances where some old geezer wormed his way into the bedchamber of a nubile. Nowhere debauchery more prevalent more than among the inbred superstars of the biblical dog and pony show.

Seriously How many wives and mistresses did David have? All perfectly acceptable.

#61 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2013-03-16 11:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

Really good and interesting point. I have lost track of the number of times I've seen anti-gay crusaders talking about "traditional" families and also making statements about how if we're going to allow consenting gay adults to marry, what's to stop polygamy as well? Yet, these people reference the same religion and rules laid out by a God which venerated these polygamous patriarchs. One of whom, the David you mention, a "man after God's own heart," even set a soldier up to die so he could swipe his wife and add her to his stable.

I love how bigots really make use of the buffet principle of religion.

#62 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2013-03-17 01:01 AM | Reply | Flag:

Can you name any polygamous marriages in the New Testament?

There's a reason you can't.

#63 | Posted by Tor at 2013-03-17 01:28 AM | Reply | Flag:

Interesting argument, when it's Old Testament, not New used against gay marriage, though. Again. Buffet. And try as I might, I can't remember anything more than a suggestion against more than one wife NT - no actual "thou shall not."

#64 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2013-03-17 02:13 AM | Reply | Flag: